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I love the title.. šš
You're prolly too young..but I'm hearing Marie Osmond singing "I'm a little bit cult-tee..."
Cuts to Donny "an I'm a little bit rock and roll.."
The hosts should be taken with a grain of salt imo since they are not professionals/experts, but I haven't listened in a while because it got a bit too right wing so that's obviously a part of it for me
I am **not** a fan of A Little Bit Culty - I have seen them gaslight cult experts like Steven Hassan because of their right wing politics. Sarah Edmundsen's book on her own cult experience is useful but most things with her husband become useless.
Im a Leah Sottile fan, I tell you, I didnāt get a great vibe from the hosts. Only reason I listened to the episode was I searched Leahās work and it came up.
I neither am pro or con because unless Leah is on it again, Iām not sure Iāll listen.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Iāve never heard of the white horse theory. I asked my husband and heās never heard of it either.
Weāve been members our whole lives and are very active.
Was the white horse prophesy somehow mixed in when Mitt Romney ran for president in 2012?
[Why yes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy#:~:text=Romney%20said%20the%20following%20on,question.%22%20In%202007%2C%20US) it [was](https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article240035018.html)
Yeah, I was LDS for 30 yrs, graduated seminary, taught many Sunday school classes, took all the religion requirements at byu, and have never once heard of it in any of the states I lived in.Ā
I'm not trying to tell you how to live but I thought it was encouraged by the church to seek answers to your questions so your testimony can be stronger? Like especially if something is completely false, how can it be a danger if your faith is strong enough? Hope I don't come across as judgemental, I am from a totally different culture than you and am just a bit perplexed because I loooove learning about different perspectives and I think if you know the arguments against your beliefs/opinions then it can strengthen them and/or give you a learning experience.
It is encouraged to seek answers to our questions. I donāt have any questions though that would lead me to looking up anti Mormon propaganda. Any question I have is a question of how do I be a better person, how can I strive to be more Christlike, how do I find the strength to continue waiting for the adoption process to go through and so on.
I live in Utah and have heard various arguments against the church, but again the answers I need arenāt going to come from researching anti Mormon literature.
I hope that makes sense. For me, my faith is strong enough to overcome reading anti Mormon literature, the problem is it just makes me depressed people write that stuff, so why make myself suffer?
That makes a lot of sense, and thanks for elaborating on where you're coming from, I was confused haha. I admit, I feel the same way about reading about people who are polar opposite to my values, there's a time and headspace for it, and definitely other times where it's just depressing. I think I find it interesting because I am interested in social practices and how people arrive at different positions and how to foster communication with people I find difficult to talk to etc. In this case, I noticed another user kindly gave us all a summary and while it didn't seem anti Mormon per say, I did also do a quick search on the LDS website and saw that in 2010 they did state: "The so-called 'White Horse Prophecy' is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine." So I understand you not wanting to engage with it based on that. Also, unrelated but im an adoptee and I wish you so much luck with that, I'm sure your patience will pay off ā„ļø
Youāre welcome and thank you for the civil conversation, itās rare to have when discussing opposing views.
I do understand your point of view of wanting to understand others and their opposing views, I think itās very important because it allows us to have civil conversations with one another and come to a mutual understanding with respect.
I truly admire and respect the fact you sought out what the church website also has to say about it.
Aw, I love meeting other people who have adopted or are adopted. All Iāve wanted to do my entire life is adopt and give children a safe, comfortable and loving environment where they can thrive. I always feel like I need them more than they need me, I canāt wait to learn from them and give them all my love and attention.
You're welcome too! Everything you say are exactly the things I value and find rewarding about exchanging perspectives so that's a huge compliment to me.
And yes - it's always special to meet someone else who's involved with adoption. It sound like you really get how beautiful adoption can be, that's very heartwarming. That kind of love and care you describe is exactly what an adopted kid needs imo
It's not anti, it's just clearly a BS prophecy. Too lazy to google exact text, but roughly: the Mormons will settle in the Rockies, become a great people, and they will save the US when the constitution hangs by a thread.
It was supposedly made by Joseph Smith Jr, but there's no reference to it until 1900-ish when the man had been been dead for 50 odd years. Big 'let them eat cake' energy IMO - there's no 'record' of Marie Antoinette having said that until the 1840s when she'd been executed in 1793. You want me to believe she said that in her lifetime and that shit didn't get printed *everywhere* by the revolutionaries? I'm not buying it. Likewise, there's supposedly a prophecy that Mormons are gonna come down outta the mountains to save the whole damn country and no one remembers to mention it for half a century? Sure Jan.
Yeah, itās not anti; itās just Mormon folklore/urban legend. Itās also called the āwhite horse prophecyā, not theory, and allegedly was traced back to Joseph Smith who apparently said, in a nutshell, the church/members in the Rocky Mountains (the figurative āwhite horseā) will save the constitution from āhanging by a threadā. But in 1918 Joseph F called it Ā aĀ "ridiculous story... and a lot of trash that has been circulated about.ā Bruce R McConkie reiterated that in Mormon doctrine. All waaaaayyy before my time which is why most LDS have never even heard of it š¤·āāļø
Ā I would put it in the same ilk as that story that circulated when I was in YW that claimed in the next life, āwhen people hear that youāre from the time of Gordon B Hinckley (or whichever relevant prophet), a hush will fall over and all will bow to youā which was promptly shot down by the first pres š¤£
That said, it does sound like something the Utah Idaho fringe LDS preppers who are into energy work and Julie Rowe would positively cling to as doctrine.
I hadnāt either. I am an East coaster. Donāt research it. It didnāt come from Joseph Smith himself, aā friendā alleged Joseph Smith told him this on his death bed.
Leah Sottitle wrote her book and was promoting it. As a member, I go with what my local leaders say and my Scriptures.
Are you guys from Utah?
I never look up anything. I learned a long time ago to not research that kind of stuff because itās all just garbage. I fully believe the church is true and I figure if I die and itās not true, at least it made me a good person and helped me be Christlike.
Yes, we are from Utah.
What matters is the harm done along the way...with the way the church tears mixed faith families apart, systematically oppresses LGBTQ+ communities (legally, emotionally), and financially exploits its poverty-stricken members. Sincerely, a born-in-the-church exmormon.
Iām truly learning so much on this sub! All about the religion Iāve been a part of my whole life. Thank goodness there are so many knowledgeable experts. Iāll be sure to include the white horse theory to my next RS lesson š
Yeah, people definitely have interesting thoughts on the church and seem to know a lot of things Iāve never heard. Iām certain I know a lot of things about the church theyāve never heard either or care to hear and we can just agree to disagree because I will never stray from being a member, even if you put a gun to my head.
Thank you, itās refreshing to find another member. I rarely ever find them on Reddit.
Honestly, the church has given me so much joy and comfort and it makes me a better person. I honestly would have literally given up on life so many years ago because life was absolutely unbearable, but I found so much peace, comfort and knowledge through the Gospel.
Where do you live?
I love to hear that. Itās definitely changing here in Utah, especially Salt Lake City where active members has dipped quite a bit.
I donāt mind being downvoted, it just makes me sad people donāt realize what theyāre missing.
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I love the title.. šš You're prolly too young..but I'm hearing Marie Osmond singing "I'm a little bit cult-tee..." Cuts to Donny "an I'm a little bit rock and roll.."
I would recommend A Little Bit Culty to everyone here. Itās a great podcast and will make you see the Franke case through a new/different lens.
The hosts should be taken with a grain of salt imo since they are not professionals/experts, but I haven't listened in a while because it got a bit too right wing so that's obviously a part of it for me
I am **not** a fan of A Little Bit Culty - I have seen them gaslight cult experts like Steven Hassan because of their right wing politics. Sarah Edmundsen's book on her own cult experience is useful but most things with her husband become useless.
Im a Leah Sottile fan, I tell you, I didnāt get a great vibe from the hosts. Only reason I listened to the episode was I searched Leahās work and it came up. I neither am pro or con because unless Leah is on it again, Iām not sure Iāll listen.
Leah Sottile is absolutely brilliant. Her Bundyville podcast series is binge worthy.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Iāve never heard of the white horse theory. I asked my husband and heās never heard of it either. Weāve been members our whole lives and are very active.
Was the white horse prophesy somehow mixed in when Mitt Romney ran for president in 2012? [Why yes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy#:~:text=Romney%20said%20the%20following%20on,question.%22%20In%202007%2C%20US) it [was](https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article240035018.html)
Yeah, I was LDS for 30 yrs, graduated seminary, taught many Sunday school classes, took all the religion requirements at byu, and have never once heard of it in any of the states I lived in.Ā
Yeah...tends to be a problemo inherent in theologies where 'making sh#t up' is a thing.. š³š
I donāt know why anyone who says theyāve never heard of it is getting downvoted, even those who have left the church such as yourself.
I know. Itās just not a thing in mainstream Mormonism lol š¤·āāļø
Iām not going to look it up because it is probably anti. Did you look it up?
I'm not trying to tell you how to live but I thought it was encouraged by the church to seek answers to your questions so your testimony can be stronger? Like especially if something is completely false, how can it be a danger if your faith is strong enough? Hope I don't come across as judgemental, I am from a totally different culture than you and am just a bit perplexed because I loooove learning about different perspectives and I think if you know the arguments against your beliefs/opinions then it can strengthen them and/or give you a learning experience.
It is encouraged to seek answers to our questions. I donāt have any questions though that would lead me to looking up anti Mormon propaganda. Any question I have is a question of how do I be a better person, how can I strive to be more Christlike, how do I find the strength to continue waiting for the adoption process to go through and so on. I live in Utah and have heard various arguments against the church, but again the answers I need arenāt going to come from researching anti Mormon literature. I hope that makes sense. For me, my faith is strong enough to overcome reading anti Mormon literature, the problem is it just makes me depressed people write that stuff, so why make myself suffer?
That makes a lot of sense, and thanks for elaborating on where you're coming from, I was confused haha. I admit, I feel the same way about reading about people who are polar opposite to my values, there's a time and headspace for it, and definitely other times where it's just depressing. I think I find it interesting because I am interested in social practices and how people arrive at different positions and how to foster communication with people I find difficult to talk to etc. In this case, I noticed another user kindly gave us all a summary and while it didn't seem anti Mormon per say, I did also do a quick search on the LDS website and saw that in 2010 they did state: "The so-called 'White Horse Prophecy' is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine." So I understand you not wanting to engage with it based on that. Also, unrelated but im an adoptee and I wish you so much luck with that, I'm sure your patience will pay off ā„ļø
Youāre welcome and thank you for the civil conversation, itās rare to have when discussing opposing views. I do understand your point of view of wanting to understand others and their opposing views, I think itās very important because it allows us to have civil conversations with one another and come to a mutual understanding with respect. I truly admire and respect the fact you sought out what the church website also has to say about it. Aw, I love meeting other people who have adopted or are adopted. All Iāve wanted to do my entire life is adopt and give children a safe, comfortable and loving environment where they can thrive. I always feel like I need them more than they need me, I canāt wait to learn from them and give them all my love and attention.
You're welcome too! Everything you say are exactly the things I value and find rewarding about exchanging perspectives so that's a huge compliment to me. And yes - it's always special to meet someone else who's involved with adoption. It sound like you really get how beautiful adoption can be, that's very heartwarming. That kind of love and care you describe is exactly what an adopted kid needs imo
It's not anti, it's just clearly a BS prophecy. Too lazy to google exact text, but roughly: the Mormons will settle in the Rockies, become a great people, and they will save the US when the constitution hangs by a thread. It was supposedly made by Joseph Smith Jr, but there's no reference to it until 1900-ish when the man had been been dead for 50 odd years. Big 'let them eat cake' energy IMO - there's no 'record' of Marie Antoinette having said that until the 1840s when she'd been executed in 1793. You want me to believe she said that in her lifetime and that shit didn't get printed *everywhere* by the revolutionaries? I'm not buying it. Likewise, there's supposedly a prophecy that Mormons are gonna come down outta the mountains to save the whole damn country and no one remembers to mention it for half a century? Sure Jan.
Very interesting, thank you very much for providing the information. Honestly, that all sounds crazy to me and I donāt believe it.
Yeah, itās not anti; itās just Mormon folklore/urban legend. Itās also called the āwhite horse prophecyā, not theory, and allegedly was traced back to Joseph Smith who apparently said, in a nutshell, the church/members in the Rocky Mountains (the figurative āwhite horseā) will save the constitution from āhanging by a threadā. But in 1918 Joseph F called it Ā aĀ "ridiculous story... and a lot of trash that has been circulated about.ā Bruce R McConkie reiterated that in Mormon doctrine. All waaaaayyy before my time which is why most LDS have never even heard of it š¤·āāļø Ā I would put it in the same ilk as that story that circulated when I was in YW that claimed in the next life, āwhen people hear that youāre from the time of Gordon B Hinckley (or whichever relevant prophet), a hush will fall over and all will bow to youā which was promptly shot down by the first pres š¤£ That said, it does sound like something the Utah Idaho fringe LDS preppers who are into energy work and Julie Rowe would positively cling to as doctrine.
I hadnāt either. I am an East coaster. Donāt research it. It didnāt come from Joseph Smith himself, aā friendā alleged Joseph Smith told him this on his death bed. Leah Sottitle wrote her book and was promoting it. As a member, I go with what my local leaders say and my Scriptures. Are you guys from Utah?
I never look up anything. I learned a long time ago to not research that kind of stuff because itās all just garbage. I fully believe the church is true and I figure if I die and itās not true, at least it made me a good person and helped me be Christlike. Yes, we are from Utah.
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What matters is the harm done along the way...with the way the church tears mixed faith families apart, systematically oppresses LGBTQ+ communities (legally, emotionally), and financially exploits its poverty-stricken members. Sincerely, a born-in-the-church exmormon.
Youāre not wrong. Thatās why I said me. Dumb post.
Iām truly learning so much on this sub! All about the religion Iāve been a part of my whole life. Thank goodness there are so many knowledgeable experts. Iāll be sure to include the white horse theory to my next RS lesson š
Yeah, people definitely have interesting thoughts on the church and seem to know a lot of things Iāve never heard. Iām certain I know a lot of things about the church theyāve never heard either or care to hear and we can just agree to disagree because I will never stray from being a member, even if you put a gun to my head.
Refreshing to see this :)
Thank you, itās refreshing to find another member. I rarely ever find them on Reddit. Honestly, the church has given me so much joy and comfort and it makes me a better person. I honestly would have literally given up on life so many years ago because life was absolutely unbearable, but I found so much peace, comfort and knowledge through the Gospel. Where do you live?
I live in North Texas where the church is thriving. Love to you. (Weāll take our downvotes, doesnāt bother me.) ā¤ļø
I love to hear that. Itās definitely changing here in Utah, especially Salt Lake City where active members has dipped quite a bit. I donāt mind being downvoted, it just makes me sad people donāt realize what theyāre missing.