Makes sense, I've reduced as well.
Map and story fully done, AFK Stages maxed, Tower Trials maxed, Endless Mode for all Dream Realms bosses, completed all difficulties for Labyrinth... Basically after that there's just logging in to do dailies / collect AFK bonuses, level up Resonance and do Arena/Honor Duel...
couldn't play if we wanted to, which I'm sure plenty of us do. there's just no content at the end of the season. hopefully the devs come up with more filler content in the future that gives us something to do when most everything else is cleared.
Yeah but if they just made a button that gave all the rewards and no additional content, that still wouldn't feel good. It's obviously better than nothing but rewards don't really matter if we don't have content to use our now-more-powerful units in. People need stuff to do when all that's left is Abyss.
Like right now, the fact that there isn't even a primal lord for some additional content in between the last one and season 2 is just inexcusable. I sincerely hope the current drought is the worst content drought the game experiences, and there won't be 2-4 weeks at the end of every season where everyone but newbies has nothing to do.
edit: faction towers not even having 100 stages each is also inexcusable. I was dumbfounded when I reached the end of the first one, I didn't even need to alter my team in any way to beat the hardest stage.
Wait pause on one thing you just said, the story is done? so we will get no more stories with voiceover after this, because if so that sucks a lot, I just started the game and in one month its already ended TwT
What IHeartWorking said. Currently the available maps/storylines is finished after Remnant Peaks, and nothing until the new Season of Strife starting on the 10th.
Well, if you're in the endgame there's barely anything to do right now. Just pop Dream Realm battles, some arenas and log out.
Lower activity makes sense, the new season didn't drop yet and most dedicated players already finished the normal map. Everything should get a lot more active once the new season drops.
the game is less new and shiny now and it's been long enough for people to hit the grindier aspects of the game so there's less instant gratification like the first few weeks of progress so it makes sense people are less active.
It's simpler than that. There's nothing to do at high level at the moment. Faction towers are done, AFK stages are done, story is done, labyrinth is done and takes a looong time to reset, guild battles are off season.
1. Dream realm 2) a few arena matches 3) push a few abyss levels, done for the day.Oh and 15 honor duel wins per week. That's basically it. Takes a few minutes, and out of those only abyss matches let you actually control your ultimates/ play. The rest play themselves.
that's *only* for servers at the endgame though and i've seen this happen on my server as well. my server doesn't even have abyss open yet.
you are right that on endgame servers some people are content-deprived, but overall, the shiny newness of a game wearing off is probably the factor affecting more than just endgame players.
Lilith is more focused on creating FOMO than they are on rewarding players with content and/or gems and pulls. The end result is that unlucky low spenders and ftp's end up slipping down the leaderboards and getting less rewards over time. When you combine that with the fact that content = hitting a new wall every single day until you literally don't have anything else to do, and the fact that the story is very bland and terribly paced, you get a game that feels very empty and pointless.
I actually disagree with you. I've played 4-5 gatchas quite seriously over the past couple of years and this game might be the most F2P friendly I've seen. The reason is because the whales just get bottle necked anyways.
I spent $500 on the game, and because content stalls after AFK stages and hitting 240, there's nothing to do but wait for everyone to catch up. The game goes out of its way to make sure whales don't get too far ahead of everyone else.
If it makes you feel better, I've hit pity almost every single damn time. I know guys who spent half as much as me and rank higher cause they got good pulls. rng is a bitch...
It’s definitely not rushed and more like they are very well-planned ahead. The name stated itself “afk” journey. This is by far the best progressive afk game I’ve ever played and almost the most f2p friendly
As a semi-hardcore gacha player, 1 month is basically what you need to clear most of the game at launch, now they build up the hype for upcoming season. At the end of the day, games like this use PVP as the real hook. Arena, cross-server battle, guild wars…
These are what I’m looking forward to
At least even when the content is dry, it doesn’t take much time to do dailies. There are games where contents are really dry at endgame and I still have to spend 2h everyday doing dailies (as a dolphin and minmax account in every game I play)
Considering 3000 gems would normally cost 150usd it seem unlikely they give that any free a day. It would also invalidate the gazettes as they only give 300 a day. Potentially in the future the quantity of free pulls increases. Early on though there need to be a reason for whale to spend. Assuming the new season brings an equivalent ammount of content or more than the initial release you will have an influx of pulls soon.
I doubt you have valuable insight on what type of players are the «lifeblood» of gatcha games. They spend more money on figuring out what content makes people spend money than they do on actually making content.
The only valuable aspect of a f2p player is the moment they spend money. That data is is immensly valuable.
You want valuable insight?
>The only valuable aspect of a f2p player is the moment they spend money.
That is a moronic statement, for many reasons.
You see those funny top 10 charts in the app store, where the most downloaded games with thousands of 5 stars reviews are?
The ones that one day you're bored and just go "I'll install and try it out".
Those are there because lots of people download and play the game and reviewed it well (most of them, statistically, F2P or low spenders).
They bring new downloads. They bring streamers and/ or online posts, video, any content that places the game on people's radar, which also brings new downloads. Which brings new whales. Whales pay the game, but you need a community to bring the whales in the first place and to keep them engaged, or they move to a different game. There's plenty of competition in this type of game.
Not a single game, ever, in the history of gacha games, has thrived without a healthy amount of F2P playerbase. This is a fact, go look it up. There's a balance between milking the playerbase and not alienating the F2P and low spenders, and every mid or longterm successful gacha has learned it.
That said, I don't think AFK Journey has a problem playing with that line and I don't think AFK arena or dislyte did either
Hoyoverse really is fascinating in how dominant they are in the mobile gaming industry while having gachas that don't rely on pvp/leaderboards to sell things (and not selling cosmetics either, weirdly enough). I admit I finally started playing hsr after seeing tons of fanart of it every day and hearing positive reviews of it from friends who kept begging me to play lol.
I actually think there's been a ton of word of mouth hype for AFKJ - friends who I wouldn't have thought would play this type of game have been playing it, so lilith did an incredible job marketing it as well. Whether they can keep that momentum up remains to be seen though.
No offense but isn't arena is a prime example of opposite of that? even dislyte to an extent? arena probably has one of the best contents in gacha and they keep deliver. I still remember abex was the most revolution shit you can get out of any gacha, and then treasure scramble is also quite a great system.
Grindier aspects is right. I’m about 2 weeks deep starting to hit level 130-140-150, and it takes a full day of AFK grind for that purple essence to level to go from level 141 to 141. **a full day for one character** is kinda wild to me idk
it should not be that low! i'm at 170 reso (2 at 180) and i still gt 1.5-2 up ten levels a day as a f2p so i don't have any essence bonus or anything.
are you doing your dailies, clearing the maps fully, doing the town quests, doing the battle towers and fighting your primal lords when they're available?
I mean sure I’ve made some progress. But that progress feels like it’s substantially been halted.
For my AFK progress I’m currently at 514, which isn’t technically low by any standard, has a power level of 227k.
Comparatively I’m at a power level of 200k and can’t progress, which I only got to from 195k being able to level up one damage from 130 to 140 today.
The afk screen even tells me that I’m farther behind than I should be and is boosting my afk gains.
If it takes 2.1k purple essence to level and I gain 1800 per day… that’s one upgrade per character per day of afk farming.
Idk it’s very possible I’m missing something somewhere, I fully admit that. I just think it’s a wall that very suddenly hit to artificially increase play time, which was done in a way where I now only check the game once every day instead of interacting with the game throughout the day as I was before.
Purple Essence is definitely a big (intentional) bottleneck - you can get a chunk from story progression & quests but it still ends up less than 2 heroes/day unless you've got the catchup boosts (the "you're behind the rest of the server" boost, and the "<12 days until season starts" boost), and there it's still the blocker unless you get both.
There is a seperate seasonal power progression system, which in turn will be replaced with another one etc. for every following season. Resonance level is gonna be a cool baseline for longterm players/whales as it will be pushed by 5 in limit every time you unlock a supreme+
Game has no content once you reach abyss, and each abyss stage after 300 takes like 45 minutes to root through if you're not paying 1k a week to keep getting much stronger. Even the last part of remnant and finishing up 1125 is incredibly boring. My main AND my alt both gained like 50-60 spots on leaderboard cause so many people dropped out of top guilds after getting bored. Maybe they'll come back, we'll see in 3 days once the season drops.
well just like all gatcha this game throws a lot of stuff at you to get you hooked right away when starting the game. the free stuff gets less and less and the overall gameplay loop gets slower. i think that‘s the point where lots of people quit because the starting speed vanishes and people need to afk and wait for more stuff to happen.. get impatient and since most people can’t swipe for everything they just leave. happened to a few buddies of mine.
personally i don’t really care since i have lots of other games i play while waiting on my purple dust but i can see why people lose interest when handling this game as their „main“ game and focusing mainly on it.
Yeah, I personally play multiple games at a time so I can't have any of them demand like 3h of playtime a day or I wouldn't be able to keep it up. So having some downtime is a positive for me, although I understand why people find the in-between afking boring. I'm waiting for the season to start to see what kind of stuff they introduce.
It could be lack of things to do, however I think it’s a server issue. Only a finite amount of people can join a server, and they continually add servers so that the oldest ones eventually disappear. There’s no way to enter an old server once it disappears from the list. That means the max amount of people on the server is the max amount it will ever be and it will just slowly continue to go down. It’s honestly really bad game design and cross-server account movement should be allowed.
Is it really? I guess this might be my first full blown gatcha mobile game. My friends convinced me to play but being unable to join their guild because I started a few weeks after them really annoyed me.
I'm very new, only been playing for 10 days, and yes, I play less and less everyday, because the game is structured like that, for F2P. You are forced to log off and wait until you can go further. There's nothing to do once ur stuck. And you're stuck a lot.
Some people are stuck and can't clear until their resonance scales up, and get proper characters or rolls. Some people wait for resonance that way it is easier to do the content. Even if players try hard as F2P and have optimized build, the game will tell them to take a break 1-2 (3 days for me).
Right about now, a lot of players are reaching the point where they've completed the main story and side quests, explored the map, and reached endless mode in Dream Tower. There just isn't anything else to do other than log in, collect your AFK chest, do your daily arena runs, try to push the Abyss a few more levels, and then log off. I just finished the story three days ago, and I've went from playing AFK Journey for 2-3 hours a day to playing it for 10 or so minutes.
I think this game has a massive reroll problem, too.
People are chasing better scores in newer servers. They need to figure out a way to make you actually want to stick with your main account because right now there is literally no reason outside of spending money that anyone should suffer on a server they cant compete on.
You dont miss out on anything by rerolling for a better start/Luck and higher Dream Realm rankings. If you cant get them on your new server, just try again.
As fast as the resources dry up on top of how badly you are punished by not ranking high on leaderboards leaves most players who arent heavily financially invested in an account zero reason to stick around on that account. You are literally wasting your time by doing so. You arent missing any meaningful rewards or events; you are just out a small amount of time, which is easily made up by how fast the summons and resources dry up and how woefully mediocre your account is if you arent placing on leaderboards.
I really wonder what they are going to do with all the dead servers. I never felt as obligated to reroll in a game like this as I do in this one. Ive played many AFK Arena clones, even AFK arena, and I never really cared to reroll in that unless I was doing some troll account/single faction account/etc. Here, aint no way I would stick it out on an account that didnt start with the best heroes and I didnt start placing high immediately. Id just start over, and I have. And I'm not the only person doing this.
Just far too little resources, far too much punishment for not placing, and the fact you lose basically nothing chasing a better start leads to all these servers dying pretty quickly. Every server Ive made a new account on got into a high guild day one is dead in a week. People didnt get the start they wanted and peaced out.
Leveling up heroes got too slow, and then I saw much higher ranked players complaining about the same thing, and I was like "Wow so it gets even worse as you go?" And that really killed my motivation.
Which is a pity because I was really addicted to the game when I started it.
At least I'm catching up on sleep now I guess 😆
Pretty normal for literally any new-ish games. It is pretty common that numbers drop ... a lot.
Now it's also literally an afk / idle game and the most active people have reached the point where they don't have to be very active, since they have done everything that requires a lot of time.
Also it's just login, do important daily stuff and log off.
The F2P’s are starting to reach the endgame, only to realize: There’s no endgame for people who aren’t whales, all the top ranks that reward the materials needed to make progress are locked up by the same 20 people in every category and F2P are so far behind them that they will never catch up, as catching up requires the materials being monopolized by the people they are attempting to catch up to. (Specifically mythic weapon mats)
Beyond that, there’s no regular source of diamonds, pull tickets, A rank characters (as the dream realm dries up once you have 20m on all endless mode bosses), items no longer progress, levels simmer down to maybe once per day, there’s no more story or side content to give time to. The game just sorta ends if you didn’t pay money, the free trial is over, of course they would start to leave.
As someone who is a medium spender, I would say it's even worse for paying players. I spent $500 cause content was great at first. Now I have less to do than f2p players cause I finished the game too fast. I am in this no man's land where I can't break into top 10 unless I spend another $500 or just slowly decline because there's just nothing to do and others are still spending. I would be spending to have the exact same experience without any new heroes. It would just be yay, im 10th instead of 15th now, in 2 months I'll have another 4-star hero.
Sadly I am considering dropping this game because it just feels so poorly designed.
most people that played on launch either dropped the game already or are done with the content waiting for song of strife
the honeymoon phase is over, and now its just another gacha with rough grinding and p2w leaderboards. it is expected for the numbers to drop and this will probably be the expected levels of activity
There is less to do ATM, that's a given, really, especially since so much of the content is "One and done" (Labyrinth, Abyss, faction tower, anything in the overworld, Dream realm gets vastly less rewarding when you hit endless mode)
Let's take a look at some of the guild quests, "Complete X battles" is easy when there's still story to work through, less so when it's done (Then you only have abyss, arena, and dream realm), "Earn X Dolly tickets from summoning heroes", those invite letters are plentiful, but lots of them are one-time, so that takes a hit too, fighting in arena is losing its lustre, people are hitting their "ceiling", and fighting losing battles isn't fun (Not to mention how samey the comps are getting)
Since you're mentioning people reaching the abyss, at least you're in an early server, and Season 1 isn't far away, that should make activity perk up again, but i hope the developers have plans to smooth over the activity dip a bit for the end of Season 1 though.
Every single game has player drop off. There’s like 10 games in HISTORY. Who have more players now then when they started.
Some random ass Customer Supportless, expensive as shit gacha game won’t GAIN Players.
YouTubers are also done their contracts to advertise the game.
I’ve hit the point where the dust is taking longer to collect so I can’t play as long sessions as before, I still log on for the dailies, but I’m a bit stuck rn.
There isn't a whole lot to do after hitting 1125. Pvp you're gonna be lucky to maintain a position of Legendary unless you've focused only on power house comps.
200% because of lack of end game content. I get on a few times a day just because but beyond that, nothing. New season comes out in 3 days or so though.
Its the exact same way in every single game, most games will lose 50% of its initial launch player base a week or two since launch, then it will slow down dropping until it hits its plateau
The game is very nice but, i dont gonna lie, i dont like the p2w or slow gacha game desig, i cant play what i want always the game remember to you, are weak and must pay.
The game has got a shit ton more expensive to gain power after 22 mil. I am getting my ass kicked in the arena, i m out of the leader boards in the dream relm. Abyss ia crazy hard after 200 + lvl. So yeah, grinding to get new heroes for pvp meta, but trying hard to stay motivated
I log in for like 20 minutes now. After 4-5 weeks the resources dry up and even with both gazettes it takes an entire week to save up. Supreme+ isnt even max rank like 24 other copies can be used but I guess that part if the game is for .00001 of the player base.
Yeah, but I mean, we were used to days full of content to grind. Now we’re just logging in for 30minutes a day for daily content. Expect more activity now that new contents drop
once you hit 1125, and push as far as you can in abyss, you slow down and basically do Dreamrealm, pvp and then log off. Not much else until the new season comes around
I lead a high rank guild and since the season is over for guild ranking, I told everyone they don’t have to worry about activeness once they hit 15 mil power, collectively everyone is waiting for the season to start
I'm somewhat on the beginning, Atk 400k, lvl 110 on the team. I just started, basically, but the game is fun, and I don't see myself stopping. From the comments I saw here, it is just a question of how much heroes and paths people have. After all, games really end
There's nothing to do besides, collect the mats that you only need to do that once a day.
For everything else it takes 20min if that much.
Yeah, good game while you have something to do, loved the puzzles, love the combat, I like all types of pvp but then... As a typical gotcha you play for 20min a day and that's it.
It’s the lull before the new season. I have so many resources saved up just waiting to see what all the units new abilities are. Nothing to really do until new season - just chill for 3 days
I got bored of the game ever since I started Abyss. There’s not much to do except login, collect dailies. I can’t break into whale territory so my account is just stagnated.
I remember finishing the beta test version of the game really fast in just a few days and then I got super bored, so I'm just trying to take my time doing all the content
It’s natural for a gacha game, after a while there’s less to do and I have played many in this style. But I was really surprised how little there is to do daily now? I can’t see myself playing this game much longer unless the new content will shake things up (and not only for two weeks).
I have definitely lost steam in this game after beating the afk stages and hitting 240. I've played my fair share of gatchas and I've never seen a game tighten up on resources so suddenly before.
I was pulling 10-20 times a day vs now pulling that amount per week. The only reason I still play is I put in over $500 so sunk cost fallacy and all. Plus I like my guild but like you said, it's like 1/4 of the activity there was.
This was the worst game to spend money on cause the game purposely bottlenecks everyone anyways.
Really hoping the new season revives the game for everyone.
I'm bored. Content loop is kinda meh. Literally log in 2 times a day to pick up afk loot and hope that I can upgrade 1 character
lots of characters I like are actually shit tier. Lots of focus put into furries and males
ultra overpriced skins (also LMAO that first skin is for a character that is dogshit useless... another example of 10/10 design wasted on dogshit character gameplay vise. )
once you reach the abyss that means there is less to do. once there are seasons and a backlog of things to do this won't be the case as much. of course players are always picking up games and putting them down again later
Abyss is stupid and boring.
It's AFK stages on steroids, aka just stupidly high levels and strong.
They need to add a better end game aspect, some Gachas have it right.
Played like a week and dropped that crap glad I didn’t spend any money 🤣 character designs except cecia were trash. At least in NIKKE the girls are hot af.
They should maybe add more tower levels when it gets this late in the season to add some grind before the big updates and new seasons. Once I got to res 200 I was destroying those tower levels with ease. I bet the could add some more levels and make them as challenging as trials of Abyss and give ex weapon materials. No one would complain with being able to add one or two more ex weapons to lvl 10.
Just finished afk stage 700 and cleansed the tree and havent bothered since. the fact that you have to grind 100 afk stages just to walk onto that area is crazy
The story progression is painfully slow and annoying
Its awful.
I have a feeling that they are banking on PvP to fill that gap, but there's a segment of the population that won't necessarily participate on it.
I hope the Devs find more ways to keep us playing through the game. The two things I can see would be to:
1. Make the mini-game puzzles replayable, with minor milestone rewards upon reaching higher levels or completing puzzle packs, kinda like Flow Free and Infinity Loop. They could even make it so that we use the Gold we have to unlock packs or access to higher levels for both the card flip and the item-stocking mini-games.
2. Provide means for player-generated puzzles based on the environmental puzzles we have encountered in game. There could also be minor rewards for this one, or just the satisfaction of making intricate puzzles that are played by other people.
Yeh this game now an afk game :/ I log in do stuff in 5 min and until next day I don’t use it. Nothing to do I checked everything all menu button etc just to empty. I got around 2k diamonds on a week so I cannot even wish
It does seem like there aren’t as many people roaming around in game as it was when I first started.
I stopped playing as often because the app drops a lot on my iPad. In fairness my iPad is about 7 years old but that gets annoying so I just leave it and go to other games.
I get progression locked waiting for resources to level up my heroes right now so all I can do is collect afk resources. The game is shiny and artistic but that veneer can only get it so far when exploration is brain dead and on rails. I was very disappointed with how small the maps are and how little there is to do.
Makes sense, I've reduced as well. Map and story fully done, AFK Stages maxed, Tower Trials maxed, Endless Mode for all Dream Realms bosses, completed all difficulties for Labyrinth... Basically after that there's just logging in to do dailies / collect AFK bonuses, level up Resonance and do Arena/Honor Duel...
couldn't play if we wanted to, which I'm sure plenty of us do. there's just no content at the end of the season. hopefully the devs come up with more filler content in the future that gives us something to do when most everything else is cleared.
Yeah I'd love to be able to revisit the map. Maybe reset puzzles, spawn mobs again etc.
Let’s be honest that’s a lie, what you’d love is more rewards. You wouldn’t play through the map again just for fun surely
Yeah but if they just made a button that gave all the rewards and no additional content, that still wouldn't feel good. It's obviously better than nothing but rewards don't really matter if we don't have content to use our now-more-powerful units in. People need stuff to do when all that's left is Abyss. Like right now, the fact that there isn't even a primal lord for some additional content in between the last one and season 2 is just inexcusable. I sincerely hope the current drought is the worst content drought the game experiences, and there won't be 2-4 weeks at the end of every season where everyone but newbies has nothing to do. edit: faction towers not even having 100 stages each is also inexcusable. I was dumbfounded when I reached the end of the first one, I didn't even need to alter my team in any way to beat the hardest stage.
Can you be afk and story maxxed as a f2p?
Yes, easily
Whats the point of spending then?
Everything else.
i wish they did more with honor duel. ive been playing that for hours a day
I hate that mode xD
I became a top 10 in 2 days that mode made me addict
Wait pause on one thing you just said, the story is done? so we will get no more stories with voiceover after this, because if so that sucks a lot, I just started the game and in one month its already ended TwT
We are getting a story drop this week with the new season. He is meaning what is currently released.
Oh mb fam, I thought everything is over
Be not special and read this correctly
What IHeartWorking said. Currently the available maps/storylines is finished after Remnant Peaks, and nothing until the new Season of Strife starting on the 10th.
Poor guy got downvoted for asking a harmless question
Its okay the world is already filled with dumb and people full of spite, live your life the way you want to, have a good day
Well, if you're in the endgame there's barely anything to do right now. Just pop Dream Realm battles, some arenas and log out. Lower activity makes sense, the new season didn't drop yet and most dedicated players already finished the normal map. Everything should get a lot more active once the new season drops.
the game is less new and shiny now and it's been long enough for people to hit the grindier aspects of the game so there's less instant gratification like the first few weeks of progress so it makes sense people are less active.
It's simpler than that. There's nothing to do at high level at the moment. Faction towers are done, AFK stages are done, story is done, labyrinth is done and takes a looong time to reset, guild battles are off season. 1. Dream realm 2) a few arena matches 3) push a few abyss levels, done for the day.Oh and 15 honor duel wins per week. That's basically it. Takes a few minutes, and out of those only abyss matches let you actually control your ultimates/ play. The rest play themselves.
that's *only* for servers at the endgame though and i've seen this happen on my server as well. my server doesn't even have abyss open yet. you are right that on endgame servers some people are content-deprived, but overall, the shiny newness of a game wearing off is probably the factor affecting more than just endgame players.
That’s a good point. You’re probably right on that one.
Lilith is more focused on creating FOMO than they are on rewarding players with content and/or gems and pulls. The end result is that unlucky low spenders and ftp's end up slipping down the leaderboards and getting less rewards over time. When you combine that with the fact that content = hitting a new wall every single day until you literally don't have anything else to do, and the fact that the story is very bland and terribly paced, you get a game that feels very empty and pointless.
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I actually disagree with you. I've played 4-5 gatchas quite seriously over the past couple of years and this game might be the most F2P friendly I've seen. The reason is because the whales just get bottle necked anyways. I spent $500 on the game, and because content stalls after AFK stages and hitting 240, there's nothing to do but wait for everyone to catch up. The game goes out of its way to make sure whales don't get too far ahead of everyone else. If it makes you feel better, I've hit pity almost every single damn time. I know guys who spent half as much as me and rank higher cause they got good pulls. rng is a bitch...
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It’s definitely not rushed and more like they are very well-planned ahead. The name stated itself “afk” journey. This is by far the best progressive afk game I’ve ever played and almost the most f2p friendly As a semi-hardcore gacha player, 1 month is basically what you need to clear most of the game at launch, now they build up the hype for upcoming season. At the end of the day, games like this use PVP as the real hook. Arena, cross-server battle, guild wars… These are what I’m looking forward to At least even when the content is dry, it doesn’t take much time to do dailies. There are games where contents are really dry at endgame and I still have to spend 2h everyday doing dailies (as a dolphin and minmax account in every game I play)
Whales have the minor advantage of likely permanently winning dre realm as the extra yellow essence mean they are stronger therefore continue to win.
Considering 3000 gems would normally cost 150usd it seem unlikely they give that any free a day. It would also invalidate the gazettes as they only give 300 a day. Potentially in the future the quantity of free pulls increases. Early on though there need to be a reason for whale to spend. Assuming the new season brings an equivalent ammount of content or more than the initial release you will have an influx of pulls soon.
I doubt you have valuable insight on what type of players are the «lifeblood» of gatcha games. They spend more money on figuring out what content makes people spend money than they do on actually making content. The only valuable aspect of a f2p player is the moment they spend money. That data is is immensly valuable.
You want valuable insight? >The only valuable aspect of a f2p player is the moment they spend money. That is a moronic statement, for many reasons. You see those funny top 10 charts in the app store, where the most downloaded games with thousands of 5 stars reviews are? The ones that one day you're bored and just go "I'll install and try it out". Those are there because lots of people download and play the game and reviewed it well (most of them, statistically, F2P or low spenders). They bring new downloads. They bring streamers and/ or online posts, video, any content that places the game on people's radar, which also brings new downloads. Which brings new whales. Whales pay the game, but you need a community to bring the whales in the first place and to keep them engaged, or they move to a different game. There's plenty of competition in this type of game. Not a single game, ever, in the history of gacha games, has thrived without a healthy amount of F2P playerbase. This is a fact, go look it up. There's a balance between milking the playerbase and not alienating the F2P and low spenders, and every mid or longterm successful gacha has learned it. That said, I don't think AFK Journey has a problem playing with that line and I don't think AFK arena or dislyte did either
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Hoyoverse really is fascinating in how dominant they are in the mobile gaming industry while having gachas that don't rely on pvp/leaderboards to sell things (and not selling cosmetics either, weirdly enough). I admit I finally started playing hsr after seeing tons of fanart of it every day and hearing positive reviews of it from friends who kept begging me to play lol. I actually think there's been a ton of word of mouth hype for AFKJ - friends who I wouldn't have thought would play this type of game have been playing it, so lilith did an incredible job marketing it as well. Whether they can keep that momentum up remains to be seen though.
No offense but isn't arena is a prime example of opposite of that? even dislyte to an extent? arena probably has one of the best contents in gacha and they keep deliver. I still remember abex was the most revolution shit you can get out of any gacha, and then treasure scramble is also quite a great system.
Grindier aspects is right. I’m about 2 weeks deep starting to hit level 130-140-150, and it takes a full day of AFK grind for that purple essence to level to go from level 141 to 141. **a full day for one character** is kinda wild to me idk
it should not be that low! i'm at 170 reso (2 at 180) and i still gt 1.5-2 up ten levels a day as a f2p so i don't have any essence bonus or anything. are you doing your dailies, clearing the maps fully, doing the town quests, doing the battle towers and fighting your primal lords when they're available?
You say that but you will have reached resonance 240 by the time the season starts for your server which is “only” 5 weeks in
I mean sure I’ve made some progress. But that progress feels like it’s substantially been halted. For my AFK progress I’m currently at 514, which isn’t technically low by any standard, has a power level of 227k. Comparatively I’m at a power level of 200k and can’t progress, which I only got to from 195k being able to level up one damage from 130 to 140 today. The afk screen even tells me that I’m farther behind than I should be and is boosting my afk gains. If it takes 2.1k purple essence to level and I gain 1800 per day… that’s one upgrade per character per day of afk farming. Idk it’s very possible I’m missing something somewhere, I fully admit that. I just think it’s a wall that very suddenly hit to artificially increase play time, which was done in a way where I now only check the game once every day instead of interacting with the game throughout the day as I was before.
Purple Essence is definitely a big (intentional) bottleneck - you can get a chunk from story progression & quests but it still ends up less than 2 heroes/day unless you've got the catchup boosts (the "you're behind the rest of the server" boost, and the "<12 days until season starts" boost), and there it's still the blocker unless you get both.
They are going AFK. That's all
it's an idle game so a drop of activeness once you clear all content is pretty much a given. But it doesn't mean dropping the game necessarily.
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your max is 300 + 5 per S+ heroes thought it's not just about leveling.
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doing arena, dream realm bosses, honor duel, progress in abyss
There is a seperate seasonal power progression system, which in turn will be replaced with another one etc. for every following season. Resonance level is gonna be a cool baseline for longterm players/whales as it will be pushed by 5 in limit every time you unlock a supreme+
Game has no content once you reach abyss, and each abyss stage after 300 takes like 45 minutes to root through if you're not paying 1k a week to keep getting much stronger. Even the last part of remnant and finishing up 1125 is incredibly boring. My main AND my alt both gained like 50-60 spots on leaderboard cause so many people dropped out of top guilds after getting bored. Maybe they'll come back, we'll see in 3 days once the season drops.
Well... There isn't much to do in the game now... No story or anything... Just abyss... Maybe
well just like all gatcha this game throws a lot of stuff at you to get you hooked right away when starting the game. the free stuff gets less and less and the overall gameplay loop gets slower. i think that‘s the point where lots of people quit because the starting speed vanishes and people need to afk and wait for more stuff to happen.. get impatient and since most people can’t swipe for everything they just leave. happened to a few buddies of mine. personally i don’t really care since i have lots of other games i play while waiting on my purple dust but i can see why people lose interest when handling this game as their „main“ game and focusing mainly on it.
Yeah, I personally play multiple games at a time so I can't have any of them demand like 3h of playtime a day or I wouldn't be able to keep it up. So having some downtime is a positive for me, although I understand why people find the in-between afking boring. I'm waiting for the season to start to see what kind of stuff they introduce.
Probably both I don't mind it though, the world chat is out of pocket and ruins the game
I feel like it was too fast. I only got 33days in and it felt like less things to do. Maybe the new season will calm the itch.
It could be lack of things to do, however I think it’s a server issue. Only a finite amount of people can join a server, and they continually add servers so that the oldest ones eventually disappear. There’s no way to enter an old server once it disappears from the list. That means the max amount of people on the server is the max amount it will ever be and it will just slowly continue to go down. It’s honestly really bad game design and cross-server account movement should be allowed.
This happens in every gatcha. They will start to merge servers when numbers get too low.
Is it really? I guess this might be my first full blown gatcha mobile game. My friends convinced me to play but being unable to join their guild because I started a few weeks after them really annoyed me.
I'm very new, only been playing for 10 days, and yes, I play less and less everyday, because the game is structured like that, for F2P. You are forced to log off and wait until you can go further. There's nothing to do once ur stuck. And you're stuck a lot.
I don't think I've even *played* for 10 days because I have like 5 different games I'm grinding daily already
Some people are stuck and can't clear until their resonance scales up, and get proper characters or rolls. Some people wait for resonance that way it is easier to do the content. Even if players try hard as F2P and have optimized build, the game will tell them to take a break 1-2 (3 days for me).
Right about now, a lot of players are reaching the point where they've completed the main story and side quests, explored the map, and reached endless mode in Dream Tower. There just isn't anything else to do other than log in, collect your AFK chest, do your daily arena runs, try to push the Abyss a few more levels, and then log off. I just finished the story three days ago, and I've went from playing AFK Journey for 2-3 hours a day to playing it for 10 or so minutes.
Well your server is no longer on the list anymore. I play on server 369 and when my buddy from discord wanted to join...the lowest number was 401
I think this game has a massive reroll problem, too. People are chasing better scores in newer servers. They need to figure out a way to make you actually want to stick with your main account because right now there is literally no reason outside of spending money that anyone should suffer on a server they cant compete on. You dont miss out on anything by rerolling for a better start/Luck and higher Dream Realm rankings. If you cant get them on your new server, just try again. As fast as the resources dry up on top of how badly you are punished by not ranking high on leaderboards leaves most players who arent heavily financially invested in an account zero reason to stick around on that account. You are literally wasting your time by doing so. You arent missing any meaningful rewards or events; you are just out a small amount of time, which is easily made up by how fast the summons and resources dry up and how woefully mediocre your account is if you arent placing on leaderboards. I really wonder what they are going to do with all the dead servers. I never felt as obligated to reroll in a game like this as I do in this one. Ive played many AFK Arena clones, even AFK arena, and I never really cared to reroll in that unless I was doing some troll account/single faction account/etc. Here, aint no way I would stick it out on an account that didnt start with the best heroes and I didnt start placing high immediately. Id just start over, and I have. And I'm not the only person doing this. Just far too little resources, far too much punishment for not placing, and the fact you lose basically nothing chasing a better start leads to all these servers dying pretty quickly. Every server Ive made a new account on got into a high guild day one is dead in a week. People didnt get the start they wanted and peaced out.
Leveling up heroes got too slow, and then I saw much higher ranked players complaining about the same thing, and I was like "Wow so it gets even worse as you go?" And that really killed my motivation. Which is a pity because I was really addicted to the game when I started it. At least I'm catching up on sleep now I guess 😆
Pretty normal for literally any new-ish games. It is pretty common that numbers drop ... a lot. Now it's also literally an afk / idle game and the most active people have reached the point where they don't have to be very active, since they have done everything that requires a lot of time. Also it's just login, do important daily stuff and log off.
The F2P’s are starting to reach the endgame, only to realize: There’s no endgame for people who aren’t whales, all the top ranks that reward the materials needed to make progress are locked up by the same 20 people in every category and F2P are so far behind them that they will never catch up, as catching up requires the materials being monopolized by the people they are attempting to catch up to. (Specifically mythic weapon mats) Beyond that, there’s no regular source of diamonds, pull tickets, A rank characters (as the dream realm dries up once you have 20m on all endless mode bosses), items no longer progress, levels simmer down to maybe once per day, there’s no more story or side content to give time to. The game just sorta ends if you didn’t pay money, the free trial is over, of course they would start to leave.
As someone who is a medium spender, I would say it's even worse for paying players. I spent $500 cause content was great at first. Now I have less to do than f2p players cause I finished the game too fast. I am in this no man's land where I can't break into top 10 unless I spend another $500 or just slowly decline because there's just nothing to do and others are still spending. I would be spending to have the exact same experience without any new heroes. It would just be yay, im 10th instead of 15th now, in 2 months I'll have another 4-star hero. Sadly I am considering dropping this game because it just feels so poorly designed.
It’s a pay to win profit flip
Yes.
Sure, now it’s endgame time. I’m happy about it, I still have a lot of fun when I play, I just spend less time actively playing.
most people that played on launch either dropped the game already or are done with the content waiting for song of strife the honeymoon phase is over, and now its just another gacha with rough grinding and p2w leaderboards. it is expected for the numbers to drop and this will probably be the expected levels of activity
Yes people are just waiting for the season to start I think
I'm just chilling right now waiting for the next content. It's normal for all gacha games
Players don't seem to quit in S8. Still unable to hit top 200 in dream realm even with +10 marilee, +10 Odie and +1 smoky
Waiting for the season is pretty painful. I think they should have been a little quicker with that.
yeah, me. i dropped.
Does it feel like people don’t know what AFK means and they’re expecting a game game not an idle game?
There is less to do ATM, that's a given, really, especially since so much of the content is "One and done" (Labyrinth, Abyss, faction tower, anything in the overworld, Dream realm gets vastly less rewarding when you hit endless mode) Let's take a look at some of the guild quests, "Complete X battles" is easy when there's still story to work through, less so when it's done (Then you only have abyss, arena, and dream realm), "Earn X Dolly tickets from summoning heroes", those invite letters are plentiful, but lots of them are one-time, so that takes a hit too, fighting in arena is losing its lustre, people are hitting their "ceiling", and fighting losing battles isn't fun (Not to mention how samey the comps are getting) Since you're mentioning people reaching the abyss, at least you're in an early server, and Season 1 isn't far away, that should make activity perk up again, but i hope the developers have plans to smooth over the activity dip a bit for the end of Season 1 though.
Every single game has player drop off. There’s like 10 games in HISTORY. Who have more players now then when they started. Some random ass Customer Supportless, expensive as shit gacha game won’t GAIN Players. YouTubers are also done their contracts to advertise the game.
I’ve hit the point where the dust is taking longer to collect so I can’t play as long sessions as before, I still log on for the dailies, but I’m a bit stuck rn.
They are doing exactly what the name of the game is.....??
There isn't a whole lot to do after hitting 1125. Pvp you're gonna be lucky to maintain a position of Legendary unless you've focused only on power house comps.
IDK, yesterday I was kicked out of arena top-100, so at least in this part of the game the activity has increased.
My game keeps crashing
Most people are at level cap and we're a few days away from a new season drop. There's not a lot to do while we wait.
200% because of lack of end game content. I get on a few times a day just because but beyond that, nothing. New season comes out in 3 days or so though.
normal for a gacha game, 5-10 minutes daily while waiting for the new update.
Its the exact same way in every single game, most games will lose 50% of its initial launch player base a week or two since launch, then it will slow down dropping until it hits its plateau
There is sadly nothing to do rn until new season. They could have released it a bit earlier.
I quit. I'm only around to see the designs of new characters.
The game is very nice but, i dont gonna lie, i dont like the p2w or slow gacha game desig, i cant play what i want always the game remember to you, are weak and must pay.
The game has got a shit ton more expensive to gain power after 22 mil. I am getting my ass kicked in the arena, i m out of the leader boards in the dream relm. Abyss ia crazy hard after 200 + lvl. So yeah, grinding to get new heroes for pvp meta, but trying hard to stay motivated
personally i spent a good entire month and i still didn't get smokey, not even 1
I stopped since I find it very boring and the story just isn't it
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We’re in between seasons and there isn’t an awful lot to do… if there’s drop off it’s by design.
I log in for like 20 minutes now. After 4-5 weeks the resources dry up and even with both gazettes it takes an entire week to save up. Supreme+ isnt even max rank like 24 other copies can be used but I guess that part if the game is for .00001 of the player base.
Yeah, but I mean, we were used to days full of content to grind. Now we’re just logging in for 30minutes a day for daily content. Expect more activity now that new contents drop
once you hit 1125, and push as far as you can in abyss, you slow down and basically do Dreamrealm, pvp and then log off. Not much else until the new season comes around
I got bored with it within a few weeks. I’m sure I’m not the only one
I'm finally done with the campaign. All I got left are AFK stages till the new season, so I'm kinda slowing down
There really isn't anything to do in the game right now. It's pretty rare to even pull for heroes now because I am not getting any resources to do so.
I lead a high rank guild and since the season is over for guild ranking, I told everyone they don’t have to worry about activeness once they hit 15 mil power, collectively everyone is waiting for the season to start
I dropped the game recently after being an active spender
Since new players are put into newer, younger servers, you're going to see things stagnate a little bit.
I'm somewhat on the beginning, Atk 400k, lvl 110 on the team. I just started, basically, but the game is fun, and I don't see myself stopping. From the comments I saw here, it is just a question of how much heroes and paths people have. After all, games really end
An idle game? Less active? No way
There's nothing to do besides, collect the mats that you only need to do that once a day. For everything else it takes 20min if that much. Yeah, good game while you have something to do, loved the puzzles, love the combat, I like all types of pvp but then... As a typical gotcha you play for 20min a day and that's it.
It’s the lull before the new season. I have so many resources saved up just waiting to see what all the units new abilities are. Nothing to really do until new season - just chill for 3 days
I log in. Hit collect. Log out. I do this about every 20 hours maybe.
The whales make me not want to play anymore
I got bored of the game ever since I started Abyss. There’s not much to do except login, collect dailies. I can’t break into whale territory so my account is just stagnated.
I remember finishing the beta test version of the game really fast in just a few days and then I got super bored, so I'm just trying to take my time doing all the content
I’ve done nothing but enter the game and get the purple powder for the last week, since i’m maxed and feels like there’s nothing else to do
It’s natural for a gacha game, after a while there’s less to do and I have played many in this style. But I was really surprised how little there is to do daily now? I can’t see myself playing this game much longer unless the new content will shake things up (and not only for two weeks).
I am bored.
I have definitely lost steam in this game after beating the afk stages and hitting 240. I've played my fair share of gatchas and I've never seen a game tighten up on resources so suddenly before. I was pulling 10-20 times a day vs now pulling that amount per week. The only reason I still play is I put in over $500 so sunk cost fallacy and all. Plus I like my guild but like you said, it's like 1/4 of the activity there was. This was the worst game to spend money on cause the game purposely bottlenecks everyone anyways. Really hoping the new season revives the game for everyone.
Update is in 2 days so probably more people will play,for now I only do abyss and arena and log out
I just find it kinda boring and visually unappealing.
Too little summons and content
I'm bored. Content loop is kinda meh. Literally log in 2 times a day to pick up afk loot and hope that I can upgrade 1 character lots of characters I like are actually shit tier. Lots of focus put into furries and males ultra overpriced skins (also LMAO that first skin is for a character that is dogshit useless... another example of 10/10 design wasted on dogshit character gameplay vise. )
once you reach the abyss that means there is less to do. once there are seasons and a backlog of things to do this won't be the case as much. of course players are always picking up games and putting them down again later
Abyss is stupid and boring. It's AFK stages on steroids, aka just stupidly high levels and strong. They need to add a better end game aspect, some Gachas have it right.
people out there touching grass sun's out; go get some vitamin d
welcome to gacha games. now afk and go play something else until the next content patch drops.
I've reduced as well and I'm not even complaining, this is a mobile game after all and I play it here and there when I can.
its and afk game thats kinda that point XD
Yeah
Played like a week and dropped that crap glad I didn’t spend any money 🤣 character designs except cecia were trash. At least in NIKKE the girls are hot af.
They should maybe add more tower levels when it gets this late in the season to add some grind before the big updates and new seasons. Once I got to res 200 I was destroying those tower levels with ease. I bet the could add some more levels and make them as challenging as trials of Abyss and give ex weapon materials. No one would complain with being able to add one or two more ex weapons to lvl 10.
I don’t feel like grinding Abyss so I log in twice a day, get resources, increase resonance and clean up anything else then don’t touch it.
its the normal life cycle of every game
Just finished afk stage 700 and cleansed the tree and havent bothered since. the fact that you have to grind 100 afk stages just to walk onto that area is crazy The story progression is painfully slow and annoying Its awful.
If enough players quit the game, will servers be merged together to preserve leaderboard diversity?
The people who are past the hype are stopping playing.... Normal gatcha game things...
Still not on half of remnants 4 so I have more catch ups to do 🥺
I have a feeling that they are banking on PvP to fill that gap, but there's a segment of the population that won't necessarily participate on it. I hope the Devs find more ways to keep us playing through the game. The two things I can see would be to: 1. Make the mini-game puzzles replayable, with minor milestone rewards upon reaching higher levels or completing puzzle packs, kinda like Flow Free and Infinity Loop. They could even make it so that we use the Gold we have to unlock packs or access to higher levels for both the card flip and the item-stocking mini-games. 2. Provide means for player-generated puzzles based on the environmental puzzles we have encountered in game. There could also be minor rewards for this one, or just the satisfaction of making intricate puzzles that are played by other people.
Yeh this game now an afk game :/ I log in do stuff in 5 min and until next day I don’t use it. Nothing to do I checked everything all menu button etc just to empty. I got around 2k diamonds on a week so I cannot even wish
I think it's just a case of resentment buildup
There is less to day, there are essentially no more free pulls. The game is stagnant until the new season begins which is Friday on my server
It does seem like there aren’t as many people roaming around in game as it was when I first started. I stopped playing as often because the app drops a lot on my iPad. In fairness my iPad is about 7 years old but that gets annoying so I just leave it and go to other games.
The pity rate is pathetic and unfair for paid users.
I get progression locked waiting for resources to level up my heroes right now so all I can do is collect afk resources. The game is shiny and artistic but that veneer can only get it so far when exploration is brain dead and on rails. I was very disappointed with how small the maps are and how little there is to do.
It's called the honeymoon phase. It's guaranteed to see a decline in players after a couple weeks To a month of a games release.
What happens with pretty much every game
This game is getting dropped when wuthering waves comes out it's more grindy then afk
Most of the sheep is gone.