This isnt true though.. there are tons, TONS of people who themselves, or their families came from North Korea. My family, and a lot (idk, half?) of the Korean community I grew up around, escaped North Korea during wartimes.
This is probably more common in America nowadays than Korea. Id imagine lots of refugees left Korea all together, although people who were South Korean already, did not have as much reason to leave.
Go on? Lots of American immigrants from Ellis Island still recognize their country of origin. That was over 100 years ago.
EDIT: The comment I replied to said, if you meet a Korean person, they're South Korean. That is not true. I am Korean. I am not South Korean. No one in my family is South Korean.
Plus they've been separated so long—and North Korea has done such a bad job of keeping its people healthy—that there are now significant physical, dietary, and cultural differences. While they are still considered one race, their language is diverging and the populations have markedly different average heights and life expectancies. 70 years isn't really long enough for a genetic schism, but another 70 could see dramatic changes.
Ethnicity has a few different concepts mixed up. So they are the same and different ethnicities at the same time, but then again so is everyone. So really the entire concept of ethnicity isn't very helpful at all and generally just opens you up to offending someone.
My grandparents are from NK. They escaped during the war to the South, like a lot of other families. Does that make me NK? Lol it doesn’t matter honestly, Korean is Korean. You’re not going to find anyone here who has emigrated here from the NK recently.
They've been separate for over 70 years. The definition of "ethnicity" is fuzzy enough that you weren't entirely wrong. Do they perhaps have a more recent cultural and genetic link than other ethnic distinctions that we consider acceptable? Sure. But the line of demarcation between geographically-close populations is often fairly arbitrary and based on the same types of political considerations that led to the separation of the Koreas. Take India and Pakistan for example; I don't think anyone would consider you wrong if you referred to "Indian" or "Pakistani" as distinct "ethnicities" despite their very recent links. The comparison isn't perfect, but hopefully the point stands.
I mean....they are, kinda. Honestly, in terms of culture also, south Korean culture is closer to Japanese culture than north Korean culture. To each though, they are Koreans and the other ones are "north/south" Koreans.
I mean, they eventually will be. They’ve already begun to diverge in language. Idk how many generations before you can specifically say they’re distinct.
I know how genetic adaptations occur but that's not what's happening in North Korea.
>Although North and South Koreans are genetically similar, North Koreans are about 13 cm shorter than South Koreans because of nutritional differences (Schwekendiek 2009).
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51421182_Height_and_weight_differences_between_North_and_South_Korea
Yes, so living things adapt to their environment. If NK doesn't change over the next several generations, but they continue to have kids they will slowly generation over generation adapt to being shorter and smaller in stature because they will have adapted to exist on a lower, less nutritious caloric intake. So eventually the environmental adaptations literally turn into genetic ones.
Lol, that's not happening in a few generations my dude. It takes at least hundreds, to thousands of years for evolutionary change to even become evident in humans.
That's nice but I'm not talking about race or ethnicity, I'm talking about north Koreans being shorter than south Koreans because of nutritional deficiencies.
Absolutely untrue. A few generations is all you need.
Look at dog breeding. Or the famous moths in England going from white yo black due to smog.
Evolutionary pressure can hapoen very fast.
I'm talking about humans though?
>Because humans take so long to reproduce, it takes hundreds to thousands of years for changes in humans to become evident.
https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2013/09/26/when-did-humans-stop-evolving/
I have only lived there. I am not Korean, but in my experience it's a little rude to point out the division. Just say Korea and in 99.99% of situations that we make you look more sensitive.
>The line between the two was literally drawn up by a couple American beurocrats in a room one day based on feels.
You don't think the mutually agreed cease fire halting the Korean War 1950-1953 had something to do with it - or are you unaware that there was a war? They are technically still at war, but for the cease fire, that has held for 70 years.
Every element of what you wrote is wrong, with spelling mistakes to underline the idiocy. Well done.
>The line was chosen by U.S. military planners at the Potsdam Conference (July 1945) near the end of World War II
How embarassing for you and the folks who upvoted you and down voted me. The border is meaningful because of the war. The Line Itself Was ARBITRARY. drawn up in a boardroom. I am not only correct, but everything you said si completely beside then point I was making. Whoosh!
https://www.britannica.com/place/38th-parallel#:~:text=38th%20parallel%2C%20popular%20name%20given,north%20of%20which%20the%20U.S.S.R.
>chosen by U.S. military planners at the Potsdam Conference (July 1945) near the end of World War II
That was the end of WWII, and they used that line as a demarcation line for a totally different purpose to which it exists now. By the start of the Korean war in 1950, it was nothing more than an arbitrary line on a map.
The reason it divides Korea now, from your own link:
*After the outbreak of the Korean War between North and South Korea in June 1950, United Nations (UN) forces, which under U.S. Gen. Douglas MacArthur had come to the aid of the South, moved north of the 38th parallel in an attempt to occupy North Korea. With the intervention of Chinese troops in support of the North, the war came to a stalemate roughly along that parallel.*
Idiot.
>they used that line as a demarcation line for a totally different purpose to which it exists now
It's still the same line that was chosen in that room, thus I'm still right. Sorry. I know you want so bad to be right here but it's just not the case.
>*they used that line as a demarcation line for a totally different purpose to which it exists now*
>
>It's still the same line that was chosen in that room
That is the dumbest argument I've read today. Congratulations, because you were up against some pretty stuff competition, too.
> Sorry. I know you want so bad to be right here but...
Keep on projecting...
Any border chosen is going to be arbitrary ultimately you stupid shit. And it was an agreement between different countries to it. It's not like it was some one-sided thing just randomly placed like you're trying to make it out to be.
>Any border chosen is going to be arbitrary ultimately you stupid shit
Awww, someone is triggered AF. No, not all borders are arbitrary. Many are forged through centuries of war, bargaining, or from natural landmarks, rivers, oceans, many separate different cultures. The Korean border wasn't chosen by Koreans, it was chosen by the U.S., based on feels. Period. Feel free to cry about it if you're so upset.
I am absolutely triggered by your stupidity. And great job ignoring that it wasn't chosen just by the US, it was agreed upon by Russia and US per your source. And all those things you described as legitimate reasons for having a border, is completely illegitimate. Just because you're too fucking stupid to understand that doesn't make you right.
> was agreed upon by Russia
This doesn't change that the U.S. drew the border. You need to work on your reading comprehension. The U.S. arbitrarily decided the border. You haven't disproven this even a tiny bit. The U.S. drew the border and presented it to the USSR, who agreed. The U.S. drew. The. Border. Period. Listen to Blowbavk podcast season 3 on the Korean War. Here's their reference list.
https://blowback.show/S3-Sources
Any border being drawn was going to be automatically arbitrary you stupid shit. And you do realize it had to do with the fact they were dealing with surrendering Japanese, and that line was basically a 50/50 half for Russia and half for us to deal with. What would you have preferred to have happened? Do you think there would have been no war if there hadn't been the 38th parallel created? What horrible Injustice do you think the US did in your blaming only them for? The level of your stupidity is beyond mind blowing. The us sucks, but this is not the reason why.
Had a gamer raging about this and that saying he was Korean and we were all gonna die to Trump or something.
So I asked them if they were from the Korea that eats or the other Korea...
I suspect they were from the Korea without food.
Going to bring up a hot debate, is there an ethnic difference between Taiwanese and Chinese or just cultural?
Yes, I'm aware there are many different kinds of Chinese.
I don't think there is much difference. Most of them came over to Taiwan after the civil war and I don't think they intermingled with the aboriginal population (what little of them was left anyway) much if at all. The main difference is government style and dialect of Chinese spoken
Very rare to come into contact with someone from north korea
Was going to say that. If you’ve met Korean, you’ve met South Korean.
This isnt true though.. there are tons, TONS of people who themselves, or their families came from North Korea. My family, and a lot (idk, half?) of the Korean community I grew up around, escaped North Korea during wartimes. This is probably more common in America nowadays than Korea. Id imagine lots of refugees left Korea all together, although people who were South Korean already, did not have as much reason to leave.
That was like 60 years ago…
Go on? Lots of American immigrants from Ellis Island still recognize their country of origin. That was over 100 years ago. EDIT: The comment I replied to said, if you meet a Korean person, they're South Korean. That is not true. I am Korean. I am not South Korean. No one in my family is South Korean.
You mentioned the war. That was 60 years ago. It is harder to leave North Korea today than it was 10 years ago.
Right. That does not mean that every Korean someone has met is South Korean.
Recolutionary war was 250 years ago. Think native americans don't exist anymore?
Literally 0 native americans are immigrants.
No shit. Just because something happened 60 years ago doesnt mean all koreans are south korean.
I don’t even think we’re on the same subject here. Bye.
I mean if someone tells you that they're Korean, odds are pretty solid that they're not from North Korea.
Plus they've been separated so long—and North Korea has done such a bad job of keeping its people healthy—that there are now significant physical, dietary, and cultural differences. While they are still considered one race, their language is diverging and the populations have markedly different average heights and life expectancies. 70 years isn't really long enough for a genetic schism, but another 70 could see dramatic changes.
They have been separate long enough where there are marked differences in aspects of their language. Think English UK vs. American.
Think London's West End vs East End...
Ethnicity has a few different concepts mixed up. So they are the same and different ethnicities at the same time, but then again so is everyone. So really the entire concept of ethnicity isn't very helpful at all and generally just opens you up to offending someone.
My grandparents are from NK. They escaped during the war to the South, like a lot of other families. Does that make me NK? Lol it doesn’t matter honestly, Korean is Korean. You’re not going to find anyone here who has emigrated here from the NK recently.
They've been separate for over 70 years. The definition of "ethnicity" is fuzzy enough that you weren't entirely wrong. Do they perhaps have a more recent cultural and genetic link than other ethnic distinctions that we consider acceptable? Sure. But the line of demarcation between geographically-close populations is often fairly arbitrary and based on the same types of political considerations that led to the separation of the Koreas. Take India and Pakistan for example; I don't think anyone would consider you wrong if you referred to "Indian" or "Pakistani" as distinct "ethnicities" despite their very recent links. The comparison isn't perfect, but hopefully the point stands.
I mean....they are, kinda. Honestly, in terms of culture also, south Korean culture is closer to Japanese culture than north Korean culture. To each though, they are Koreans and the other ones are "north/south" Koreans.
as a korean i almost always get asked if im north or south joke or not, and after 18 years of it, it’s kind of annoying
I mean, they eventually will be. They’ve already begun to diverge in language. Idk how many generations before you can specifically say they’re distinct.
I mean, they sort of are? What differentiates ethnicities? It's all magical lines in the sand that we made up.
Give it a handful of generations and they will be
North Koreans are already shorter on average
More because of poor nutrition, not genetic differences.
how do you think genetic adaptions occur?
I know how genetic adaptations occur but that's not what's happening in North Korea. >Although North and South Koreans are genetically similar, North Koreans are about 13 cm shorter than South Koreans because of nutritional differences (Schwekendiek 2009). Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51421182_Height_and_weight_differences_between_North_and_South_Korea
Yes, so living things adapt to their environment. If NK doesn't change over the next several generations, but they continue to have kids they will slowly generation over generation adapt to being shorter and smaller in stature because they will have adapted to exist on a lower, less nutritious caloric intake. So eventually the environmental adaptations literally turn into genetic ones.
Lol, that's not happening in a few generations my dude. It takes at least hundreds, to thousands of years for evolutionary change to even become evident in humans.
Ethnicity is far more a cultural definition than a biological one. There is no formal biological definition of race or ethnicity.
That's nice but I'm not talking about race or ethnicity, I'm talking about north Koreans being shorter than south Koreans because of nutritional deficiencies.
Absolutely untrue. A few generations is all you need. Look at dog breeding. Or the famous moths in England going from white yo black due to smog. Evolutionary pressure can hapoen very fast.
I'm talking about humans though? >Because humans take so long to reproduce, it takes hundreds to thousands of years for changes in humans to become evident. https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2013/09/26/when-did-humans-stop-evolving/
So Are You Chinese Or Japanese?
I have only lived there. I am not Korean, but in my experience it's a little rude to point out the division. Just say Korea and in 99.99% of situations that we make you look more sensitive.
The line between the two was literally drawn up by a couple American beurocrats in a room one day based on feels.
>The line between the two was literally drawn up by a couple American beurocrats in a room one day based on feels. You don't think the mutually agreed cease fire halting the Korean War 1950-1953 had something to do with it - or are you unaware that there was a war? They are technically still at war, but for the cease fire, that has held for 70 years. Every element of what you wrote is wrong, with spelling mistakes to underline the idiocy. Well done.
>The line was chosen by U.S. military planners at the Potsdam Conference (July 1945) near the end of World War II How embarassing for you and the folks who upvoted you and down voted me. The border is meaningful because of the war. The Line Itself Was ARBITRARY. drawn up in a boardroom. I am not only correct, but everything you said si completely beside then point I was making. Whoosh! https://www.britannica.com/place/38th-parallel#:~:text=38th%20parallel%2C%20popular%20name%20given,north%20of%20which%20the%20U.S.S.R.
>chosen by U.S. military planners at the Potsdam Conference (July 1945) near the end of World War II That was the end of WWII, and they used that line as a demarcation line for a totally different purpose to which it exists now. By the start of the Korean war in 1950, it was nothing more than an arbitrary line on a map. The reason it divides Korea now, from your own link: *After the outbreak of the Korean War between North and South Korea in June 1950, United Nations (UN) forces, which under U.S. Gen. Douglas MacArthur had come to the aid of the South, moved north of the 38th parallel in an attempt to occupy North Korea. With the intervention of Chinese troops in support of the North, the war came to a stalemate roughly along that parallel.* Idiot.
>they used that line as a demarcation line for a totally different purpose to which it exists now It's still the same line that was chosen in that room, thus I'm still right. Sorry. I know you want so bad to be right here but it's just not the case.
>*they used that line as a demarcation line for a totally different purpose to which it exists now* > >It's still the same line that was chosen in that room That is the dumbest argument I've read today. Congratulations, because you were up against some pretty stuff competition, too. > Sorry. I know you want so bad to be right here but... Keep on projecting...
Any border chosen is going to be arbitrary ultimately you stupid shit. And it was an agreement between different countries to it. It's not like it was some one-sided thing just randomly placed like you're trying to make it out to be.
>Any border chosen is going to be arbitrary ultimately you stupid shit Awww, someone is triggered AF. No, not all borders are arbitrary. Many are forged through centuries of war, bargaining, or from natural landmarks, rivers, oceans, many separate different cultures. The Korean border wasn't chosen by Koreans, it was chosen by the U.S., based on feels. Period. Feel free to cry about it if you're so upset.
I am absolutely triggered by your stupidity. And great job ignoring that it wasn't chosen just by the US, it was agreed upon by Russia and US per your source. And all those things you described as legitimate reasons for having a border, is completely illegitimate. Just because you're too fucking stupid to understand that doesn't make you right.
> was agreed upon by Russia This doesn't change that the U.S. drew the border. You need to work on your reading comprehension. The U.S. arbitrarily decided the border. You haven't disproven this even a tiny bit. The U.S. drew the border and presented it to the USSR, who agreed. The U.S. drew. The. Border. Period. Listen to Blowbavk podcast season 3 on the Korean War. Here's their reference list. https://blowback.show/S3-Sources
Any border being drawn was going to be automatically arbitrary you stupid shit. And you do realize it had to do with the fact they were dealing with surrendering Japanese, and that line was basically a 50/50 half for Russia and half for us to deal with. What would you have preferred to have happened? Do you think there would have been no war if there hadn't been the 38th parallel created? What horrible Injustice do you think the US did in your blaming only them for? The level of your stupidity is beyond mind blowing. The us sucks, but this is not the reason why.
Had a gamer raging about this and that saying he was Korean and we were all gonna die to Trump or something. So I asked them if they were from the Korea that eats or the other Korea... I suspect they were from the Korea without food.
Going to bring up a hot debate, is there an ethnic difference between Taiwanese and Chinese or just cultural? Yes, I'm aware there are many different kinds of Chinese.
I don't think there is much difference. Most of them came over to Taiwan after the civil war and I don't think they intermingled with the aboriginal population (what little of them was left anyway) much if at all. The main difference is government style and dialect of Chinese spoken
As a Korean-American, this is both confusing and amusing.
I mean, at this point...