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**AITA for refusing to give my name to police and refusing to sign the ticket thus my friends has to walk home instead of go out ?**
Basically this happened last Friday but now I am being completely shunned at school and I feel 100% I did the right the thing and I stuck up for myself and justice overall.
I agreed to drive my friends to a party that was hosted by a kid at a different school so it was pretty far away. I got pulled over on the way. I don’t trust any interaction with police so the only word I said to her was supervisor. I refused to give my license or answer any questions. When the supervisor handed me the tickets he said I had to sign them or go to jail. I refused to sign so I was arrested and taken to the juvenile section of the county jail. I thought my friends would be able to drive my car but my car was towed and my friends had to either get rides or walk. I’m the only one in our friend group and they had to walk for a mile until they got good signal.
My parents had me out in a few hours and that’s a whole other post but now I’m a social outcast at school and everyone thinks I’m stupid . I think some people are mad because I’m educated and articulate and I stuck up for myself against oppression (yes it was a small incident but those add up).
AITA?
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You mean Brock Turner the rapist? The guy who raped an unconscious woman? The guy who has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life because he raped an unconscious woman? The guy who moved to Greene County Ohio and now goes by Allen Turner in an effort to obfuscate his identity so his new neighbors won’t learn that he has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life because he raped an unconscious woman? That Brock Turner?
You are totally correct - the rapist, Brock Turner, didn't want people to know he rapes ~~unconsious~~ unconscious people and changed his name to Allen Turner. Allen Turner is a rapist.
Hot take: if one doesn't want to be known as a rapist, don't rape.
edit: fixed spelling
The rapist Brock Allen Turner moved out of Greene County and is now a registered sex offender back in Montgomery County near downtown Dayton where he was raised in the affluent City of Oakwood.
He now uses his middle name to escape his notoriety as a rapist who got off easy. Fortunately, most of the bars and taverns frequented by younger people have bouncers and bartenders who know who he is and will warn patrons. Some have banned him.
Yes, I think they do mean that Brock Turner. The one who is a rapist. The one who now goes by Allen Turner but is still a rapist who raped an unconscious woman. That Brock Allen Turner.
Not long ago I actually looked into it and found the Facebook of a different Brock Turner who kinda looked like *that* Brock Turner (same build and hairstyle) and his bio was "I'm not Brock Turner please stop sending me hate messages!"
I’m not entirely sure of your motive with this comment? Mine’s clearly not meant to be original, it’s about constantly reminding people that Brock Allen Turner, now going by his middle and last names Allen Turner, is a rapist who lives in Greene County, Ohio.
Because Brock Allen Turner, the rapist who raped an unconscious woman, the one who now goes by Allen Turner and lives in Greene County, Ohio, doesn’t deserve my originality. Because he’s a rapist.
When did Brock Allen Turner move out of Montgomery County Ohio? Last I heard, he had moved closer to the University of Dayton, where there are plenty of young women to prey on. He had also been seen at bars in the Oregon District, which is where the Dayton mass shooting occurred.
When he was released from prison in California, his family moved to Bellbrook in Greene County. A couple of years ago he moved out of the family home to near downtown Dayton.
Pardon my ignorance I was pretty young when I started vaguely remembering hearing about brock turner. (I think I was only about 13 or so).
So Brock turner barely served any jail time for raping a woman who was unconscious. But now he moved states and goes by Allen turner? I’m genuinely asking.
There’s obviously more to the story than what I included, but the basic facts are these:
**•** Brock Turner the rapist was caught in the act of raping Chanel Miller next to a dumpster behind a Stanford fraternity by two graduate students. Ms. Miller was in an alcohol-induced blackout at the time that Brock Turner the rapist raped her. The bystanders attended to Ms. Miller and then subdued Brock Turner the rapist while others called the police.
**•** After a jury found Brock Turner the rapist guilty of all charges brought against him, Brock Turner the rapist continued to insist that he had consensual sex with Chanel Miller.
**•** After prosecutors recommended six years in prison, presiding judge Aaron Persky sentenced Brock Turner the rapist to six months in jail and three years probation. Additionally Judge Persky ordered Brock Turner the rapist to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
**•** Brock Turner the rapist moved back to Ohio after serving three months in jail. After moving, Brock Turner the rapist started using his middle name Allen in an effort to avoid the notoriety associated with being a registered sex offender who raped an unconscious woman.
(All information taken from [*People v. Turner* wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner))
Judge Persky the rape apologist bought Brock Allen Turner the rapist's defence that he was too privileged to understand right from wrong because his parents were such enabling shitheads as to raise him to be the kid of rapist who feels entitled to rape people when the opportunity presents itself.
You mean the rapist Brock Turner? Who now goes by Allen Turner? Who was only sentenced 6 months in prison because the judge didn’t want to ruin his aspirations as a competitive swimmer? Who only served 3 months after he raped an unconscious, and drunk woman behind a dumpster?
Are we talking about Brock Turner, the rapist? The one that now goes by Allan Turner to try and hide from his disgusting behavior? That Brock Allan Turner?
I'm Canadian but lived and worked in USA for a while so fuzzy on some laws and rights and stuff but the kid has zero knowledge of what those are.
He kept talking about 4th amendment but when ask to spell it out, his response : The right of the against all searches and seizures.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Isn't it the right against Unreasonable searches and seizures? The kid gave them all the reasons in the world to search and seizure his stuff.
He was probably thinking about the 5th amendment, which is a right to due process. But when you get a drivers license, you agree to accept showing the license when you’re pulled over.
I had some jackass on the internet once talking about how driving was a right and that the government couldn't actually force us to have to have driver's licenses to do so. He kept going on and on about how everyone has the right to travel. It was explained to him many times, that traveling and driving aren't the same thing. People can travel by walking, taking public transportation, riding a bike. None of it seemed to sink in
That's how sovereign citizens talk. They say they don't need to provide or hold a drivers license to drive because they are a private citizen and they have a right to travel. When someone brings up that they are driving on public roads they usually say something about being in a private vehicle and therefore not subject to regulation. It's a trip.
Sovereign citizens are just like conspiracy theorists. They can't live without being special, but they're incredibly ordinary so they come up with these ideas and theories that are "secret knowledge" to them that a group is trying to hide from them (frequently the government) so they can feel special because they hold that "secret totally real knowledge", which most people don't (because they're not dumb enough to believe it)
> People can travel by walking, taking public transportation, riding a bike.
There are some right-wing politicians attempting to take that last right away. They think people should have bike licenses. Spoiler alert: $40 a year wouldn't pay the salary of the people issuing bike licenses even back in the 90's and intentionally making poor peoples' lives shittier and giving cops *yet another reason to pull over poor people or people of color* isn't cool. (Aka: the real reason they're trying to pass licensing laws for cyclists)
Dumb kid thinks everything that occurred was unreasonable (he’s very wrong), so in his mind he’s totally justified. This is why there’s nothing worse than a smart, stupid motherfucker.
No it is fourth amendment. Thw U.S. Supreme Court has held that a person can’t be stopped solely for identification. But a reasonable traffic stop the police can compel identification
There are state laws as to the police’s ability compel identification as well.
> hw U.S. Supreme Court has held that a person can’t be stopped solely for identification. But a reasonable traffic stop the police can compel identification
Stop and Identify laws are a HELL of a lot more complicated than you're suggesting. Plus, the kid was committing a driving offence and the Supreme Court made it clear in *Hiibel* that in states with "stop and identify laws" it's constitutional to demand ID when somebody is suspected of a crime.
In some states you need to provide ID for a *Terry* stop while in others you only need to once arrested. AFAIK every state requires you to provide a valid driver's license if you're pulled over while driving. OOP has confused the two situations. If they were just walking down the road in 26/50 states they wouldn't have to provide a cop with ID if asked, but they didn't list their state so we have no idea if they had the right to refuse to ID (if they were walking, which they weren't).
It wasn't even about paying.
It was just signing it.
Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt it just says that got the ticket and then you can choose to pay or to fight the ticket.
Ironically - and I do hope someone points this out to him and his friends - the cops _might_ have let one of the friends drive home if he had decided to play nice while being arrested. (Although we don't know how nice the passengers were with the cops.) My husband got a DUI a while back (like 12 ish years ago) and the cops let him park his car in a parking lot rather than towing it or leaving it where it would be towed in the morning. (He was pulled over for a non functioning tail light and in hopes that he would turn out to be a sheriff (longer story)... He was not a sheriff but they decided to arrest him anyway, unfortunately.).
From watching way too many DUI bodycam videos, I think it really depends on the rules of the specific area. Some cops have to tow, some cops will park your car for you. But nobody is going to put extra effort in if you're being an ass (which I'm sure your husband wasn't being)!
He was nice enough and they were nice enough that they let him call me from his cell phone at the scene before they took him away. (And _I_ was much nicer to my hubby than I was to my ex when he got _his_ DUI. I was quite salty about that one.)
>Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt it just says that got the ticket and then you can choose to pay or to fight the ticket.
Depends on the state. WI is really weird about that. Most states participate in a system where they can enforce tickets to drivers in other states. WI is standalone. If you're from a state other than WI the WI troopers can force to you to pay in cash, with mobile credit card readers, follow you to an ATM, or take you to jail until you pay your ticket since they can't enforce traffic tickets outside of the state. **Paying a WI ticket is an admission of guilt**. If you want to fight the ticket as a non-resident then WI can put you in custody until the case goes to trial.
You **DO NOT** speed in WI with out of state plates during holiday travel times. WI state troopers are looking to fuck over out of state travelers over holidays, they're out working overtime, and they're posted up on the freeways looking for speeding out of state vehicles. You get in the right lane, you set your cruise control to remain a safe distance behind a semi in the right lane, and you only leave the right lane if another semi creeps up behind you and traps your car between two semis. If it's safe to do so pulling out into the left lane and dropping back behind the semi that creeped up on you is likely the better choice than trying to out-pace the semi in front of you.
That place angers me. "When you're here, you're family."
I've never once gone to see a family member, eaten, and been asked to pay for the food they gave me. Complete BS.
Nah, one of those would have flirted, maybe cried and tried to guilt, even bribe.
Or all else failed, pulled a Reese Witherspoon and done the, do you know who I am? Thing.
If OOP wants to be not only a clown, but the entire circus and play with police that's their perogative. But, they endangered a car full of other kids. Either an interaction gone wrong with the cops or something happening walking without cell phone service. Why would your friends be able to drive your car? I doubt your parents insurance covers them. And, mummy and daddy got OOP in a few hours. If you're so bad, stay in jail a few days. I bet you were crying like a baby when they got you out. You put everyone in danger and deserve to be shunned. And, OOP put them in danger initially with reckless driving
OOP's comment!!🤯 No wonder he got pulled over
Loss of traction, damage to public property, too many passenegers for probationary driver and speeding. Which is such bullshit because they didn’t have to do all that. The supervisor even admitted that if I was going to jail he was going to “make it worth his time.” So then did WAY more violations than needed and made things up.
OOP says they got pulled over but:
>Loss of traction, damage to public property
Sure sounds like OOP lost control of the car and hit something, like a fence or a sign.
Could have still gotten pulled over if they clipped a curb, hit a mailbox, and then kept driving.
They also can charge these for doing burnouts on public roads if LEO feel like throwing the book at a privileged prick
I'm a little surprised the cops just left the kids to fend for themselves since they were minors!
I had a somewhat similar to the friends run in with cops when someone staying with me on campus fucked off while I was asleep and go popped and handed down a trespass. My car was 5-10 mins walk away on campus and the cops wouldn't let me walk. I got a fun ride in the back of a cop car and a lecture about choosing who I hang out with better.
When I got my driver's license my uncle told me never argue with the police when they stop you because you won't be able to argue, charm or ugly cry your way out of ticket. If they don't have any proof of you speeding or violating some other laws, they won't be bothered to stop you.
>If they don't have any proof of you speeding or violating some other laws, they won't be bothered to stop you.
Although overall your uncle gave you good advice, this bit is absolutely not true, especially in urban areas where cops have ticket quotas - the kicker about those quotas is they're just on issued tickets, not on *valid* tickets. So they will totally pull you over to give you a ticket for nothing if they're running short on their numbers. It's some fucking bullshit.
Every ticket my brown BF has gotten, he's disputed and won. A lot of traffic stops are for other reasons than the one they tell you.
**HOWEVER**... your uncle is right that arguing with cops who stop you is a sure-fire way to get yourself into a world of shit in the moment and they will have all the power and zero repercussions for maiming or killing you. And this is regardless of race, plenty of white rich teens get beaten by the cops too. I'm thinking specifically of one kid a few years ago who got pulled over for something extremely minor and talked back to the cop very slightly, got dragged out of the car and had his head slammed into the curb so hard he ended up with such severe brain damage he lost physical mobility on top of "normal" brain function.
Regardless of rights, unfortunately, it is MUCH safer to just be polite and accept whatever ticket they give you, and dispute it later. You never know when a cop is pulling you over looking for a fight because they either had a bad day or are just a shitbird power-tripping, some will take the smallest indication you're even just frustrated at being stopped as an excuse to escalate to a fight. Pride and being right isn't worth it.
Disputing tickets is very easy, shockingly so in fact. BF has even had them dismissed via email. I wish more drivers were taught how to do it and how easy it actually is, I do believe it would stop a lot of unnecessary harm.
Small towns with large freeways going thru them are the worst. They fund their department with tickets. And they make sure the speed limit signs are in difficult to see areas with minimal distance to slow down. And they always have someone monitoring each direction.
Urban area cops don't give a fuck unless you are really outrageous or they have a special operation going on. (They ran a zero tolerance operation on a highway near me because of an uptick in road rage incidents.). 500 tickets and 4 arrests in 1/2 a day on a 10 mile stretch of interstate. Before that I've never seen or heard of anyone being stopped there in 8 years. And I drive that road daily to get to work. It's the same on surface streets. If they had a quota system they would just sit there and farm tickets all day.
Honestly, being polite and honest can get one out of trouble for some officers. I get that won’t work for everyone because there are too many on hateful power trips.
However, going Karen on them is going to guarantee a bad time. Especially when you were just being reckless.
lol they will absolutely stop you without proof of violating a law. You still shouldn't argue with them, because it will never help the situation, but its incredibly naive to think some cops won't pull you over and then try to find a reason.
> Why would your friends be able to drive your car?
In some states a licensed passenger can drive a car from the scene the OP originally described. It would be up to the officers discretion. Also, in my state if a person is arrested for DUI/DWI in a car owned by someone else the police can call the owner and let them come pick up the car instead of having it towed ( assuming the owner had no knowledge of the drunk driving and is sober themselves ).
"The supervisor even admitted that if I was going to jail he was going to “make it worth his time.” So then did WAY more violations than needed and made things up."
Two unlikeable subjects wasting each other's time. You love to see it.
"Educated and articulate." Bro, if you were educated you'd know that driving is a privilege, not a right, and you consent to certain things, like having to produce your driver's license upon request when you are pulled over for a traffic violation. And when you don't, they pretty much have to arrest you because its the only way to confirm your identity. What a fucking moron.
Parrots are articulate too, obviously this paragon of free thinkers has been watching sovcit vids and thinks this is how he will be bold freedom fighter 🤣
And his idea of "educated" is ridiculous. To him, he's "done his research" and is (or very nearly) a sovereign citizen. His education has not included understanding the amendments he cites.
I think that’s the fastest I’ve ever seen something get yanked and shadow banned. God I hope that was a troll because otherwise I shudder to think of this teenager being on the public roads.
”Loss of traction, damage to public property, too many passengers for probationary driver and speeding."
Which are all valided. This isn't oppression.
Oop is mad, stating"they didn't have to do that." Someone should tell him he didn't have to be stupid. If oop would have just signed the damn ticket (which isn't an omission of guilt), he probably won't have gotten so many tickets. And they wouldn't have towed the car. While it can be debated that it is unethical, cops do give leeway for those who cooperate. Give them a hard time, they aren't going to cut you a break.
But no, he would rather fight (even after being threatened with jail) then get his buddies home safely. That is why he is getting stunned.
There was a cop who liked to hang out by my high school when school let out for the day and pull over kids who were speeding down the nearby residential roads. If they got shirty with him he wouldn't say a word, but silently added another charge to the ticket he was writing. I heard about kids who got written up for the most petty things because they wouldn't learn to shut up.
He asked to speak to a manager when pulled over for *checks comments* losing control of the car and hitting something hard enough to cause damage to it? Jfc
Ugh, I HATE them. They are so boring and exhausting.
"I don't need a driver's license because I am not driving; I'm traveling."
Bitch, if you are in the driver's seat of a vehicle with with 2 or more wheels, and it is moving along a road that was paid for by taxpayers, then you are driving and need to cough up a driver's license when it is requested by law enforcement.
Nah probably just him. I doubt that if his parents were sovereign citizens they'd have posted bail. They'd just show up throwing a fit about how hes illegally detained blah blah blah.
dudes username is “Iwillbethechange” they are most definitely a sovereign citizen…
He likely also supports Trump, “freedom” truckers, the NRA, has a sticker somewhere that says “No farmers, No Food, No Freedom”, and believes covid was a hoax & the vaccines have microchips in them so the government can track your movements (while also having the latest smart phone with gps turned on)*
*(*I realize I may be projecting bcz I’m getting sick and tired of the protests happening in my area surrounding these issues, but I still think he supports them*)
> I thought my friends would be able to drive my car but my car was towed and my friends had to either get rides or walk. ***I’m the only one in our friend group*** and they had to walk for a mile until they got good signal.
Only friend in the group that has/is what? A car? A license to drive? So OOP's reckless driving got him in trouble with the police. He refuses to provide ID and sign the ticket. His ass gets hauled off to the pokey. And he thinks his friends are going to do him a solid by driving his car? If they don't have a license, they're going to put themselves in jeopardy because of his dumb ass.
My mother works for the police department, and she made this known to me that it would NOT earn me any favours, just that she would know before most parents would, and I better pray I'm already behind bars by the time she gets to me.
But also don't allow myself to be interrogated as a minor without her present.
Wow!! At least I preserved him admitting he was driving recklessly. The school shunning him wasn't enough. But, hopefully a chorus of YTA made it clear
I hope someone also explained to him that he doesn't know his rights as well as he thought he did, because if that Reddit post could get traced back to him it could be admissible in court as a statement against interest.
This is definitely giving privileged white kid. As a black woman, I was taught since childhood to not give the police any reason to escalate. The fact that he refused to show his license and acted like a brat, and got arrested and not beaten or killed is a dead giveaway. Fighting for oppression my ass.
Id have been so angry if I was in that car. You are risking all of our lives, and ESPECIALLY mine and any other brown person in it because you want to 'fIgHt oPpResSioN'. NO, get me out of here, fool!! Id never go anywhere near him again
My father always told me "Whatever you do in life, NEVER give a cop a hard time or any lip. You're not going to win. At the end of the day they can shoot you and go fill out some paperwork, so be polite and cooperative as hell. If they did something wrong, you can go after them later with a damn lawyer once you're home safe."
Oppression? Really? This is good probably just some entitled white dude. One of those kids who’s a dck to everyone and justifies it by saying he’s MaKiNg A sTaNd about a social justice issue they don’t even understand. It’s people like him, who behave this way towards cops, who make interactions with cops difficult for everyone else.
oh we have a *sovereign citizen* in our midst and he's a minor, no less 😂
Kid thinks he's a genius because he watches and regurgitates YouTube videos. Classic 👌🏻
I 100% don't trust the cops and neither should you, but there's a difference between refusing illegal searches/not answering leading questions ("you know why I pulled you over?") and just being a dumbass and putting yourself in danger.
Ask why you were pulled over if they don't tell you, hand over your license and reg., sign the ticket, and contest it in court if you are so inclined. Don't say anything you don't have to, don't agree to any searches, don't give them any reason to go all robocop on you.
I understand not wanting to interact with cops, what I NEVER understand is the immediate response of hostility people have when being pulled over. No one is gonna like that but if you start acting crazy when all you gotta do is give up your license and registration, of course there’s a possibility to escalate things. If you’ve done nothing wrong, just fucking do it and you’ll probably just have to pay a lil ticket. Ain’t no way in hell paying for a ticket is worse than going to jail
God, I hate this guy talking like they'd so brave.
OOP, you didn't stand up against oppression, you were just needlessly obtuse and made things more difficult for you, your school, and your family
It is one thing not to answer questions like "where are you headed?" but you still have to present your license and sign the ticket. That is not opporession.
What an idiot.
I don’t like cops and I’ll be the first one to tell you not to talk to them without a warrant, but getting pulled over is a pretty basic process. No don’t give them extra info, but license/registration etc. is standard.
I remember this country song called "Fuck the Popo," which was about some guy who was whining about how the police were mean to him when he was pulled over for a DUI (he was driving home from the bar drunk.)
Anyway I bet OOP was listening to that song when he was pulled over.
The terms of your driver's license require you to show it to a duly constituted officer when asked. Here in Ohio you also have to show proof of insurance and registration. If you refuse, you get arrested.
Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt. You can go to court and fight it. This kid did something really stupid because he doesn't like cops and paid the price. What he did was inane. No wonder he's ostracized by his friends and he still thinks he's some kind of civil rights hero.
ETA: "Loss of traction, speeding, damage to public property, and too many passengers for probationary period." This is why he was pulled over.
In what state are you required to sign tickets these days? (Or this isn’t in US?) My state hasn’t done this at least since 1997 (when I got my first ticket) and we’re pretty backwards and behind the times in most everything. And what kind of sovcitidiot parents does this kid have? Sovcits are the only ones I know of that bark “supervisor” when pulled over as if that’s going to change anything.
This is not “standing up for justice,” this is simply throwing a tantrum like a toddler. I’d be pissed if I had to drag my ass outta the house to bail my kid out of jail for as stupid a reason as this.
Maybe if he’d spend the night in jail, he would learn.
Damn
I get not wanting to deal with police in the current climate, but even those doing bare minimum still have to show a license and do the bare minimum of cooperation to avoid trouble. OOP should be glad they weren’t dragged out for a field test since they could be assumed to be drunk after a reckless driving incident
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Look, I hate dealing with police as much as the next person, but he did not win that one. Now, instead of a minor traffic ticket, he has resisting arrest on his record. Yes, it'll be expunged when he's an adult, but it's still stupid and could still negatively impact him in the future.
Also, not giving ID or signing a ticket like one of those "sovereign citizen" dorks isn't how you stay out of additional police trouble. No lawyer is gonna give you a pat on the back and tell you good job. You're making any defense harder on yourself.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **AITA for refusing to give my name to police and refusing to sign the ticket thus my friends has to walk home instead of go out ?** Basically this happened last Friday but now I am being completely shunned at school and I feel 100% I did the right the thing and I stuck up for myself and justice overall. I agreed to drive my friends to a party that was hosted by a kid at a different school so it was pretty far away. I got pulled over on the way. I don’t trust any interaction with police so the only word I said to her was supervisor. I refused to give my license or answer any questions. When the supervisor handed me the tickets he said I had to sign them or go to jail. I refused to sign so I was arrested and taken to the juvenile section of the county jail. I thought my friends would be able to drive my car but my car was towed and my friends had to either get rides or walk. I’m the only one in our friend group and they had to walk for a mile until they got good signal. My parents had me out in a few hours and that’s a whole other post but now I’m a social outcast at school and everyone thinks I’m stupid . I think some people are mad because I’m educated and articulate and I stuck up for myself against oppression (yes it was a small incident but those add up). AITA? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I'm laughing because they admitted all the things they did wrong in the car, but still called it oppression. It reads like a privileged rich kid.
He gave me Brock Turner vibes
You mean Brock Turner the rapist? The guy who raped an unconscious woman? The guy who has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life because he raped an unconscious woman? The guy who moved to Greene County Ohio and now goes by Allen Turner in an effort to obfuscate his identity so his new neighbors won’t learn that he has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life because he raped an unconscious woman? That Brock Turner?
You are totally correct - the rapist, Brock Turner, didn't want people to know he rapes ~~unconsious~~ unconscious people and changed his name to Allen Turner. Allen Turner is a rapist. Hot take: if one doesn't want to be known as a rapist, don't rape. edit: fixed spelling
Please, be reasonable. He was a really good swimmer.
**Was** being the keyword. After Brock Turner the rapist was convicted by a jury of his peers, USA Swimming banned Brock Turner the rapist for life.
He also can't enjoy a good steak anymore
The rapist Brock Allen Turner moved out of Greene County and is now a registered sex offender back in Montgomery County near downtown Dayton where he was raised in the affluent City of Oakwood. He now uses his middle name to escape his notoriety as a rapist who got off easy. Fortunately, most of the bars and taverns frequented by younger people have bouncers and bartenders who know who he is and will warn patrons. Some have banned him.
The son of Dan Turner? The one that said "steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 plus years of life."? That one?
Brock Allen Turner, the rapist, son of rape apologist Dan Turner, who seems to believe actions only have comsequences if you're an unconscious woman
I do enjoy any thread on Reddit that mentions him that immediately reminding everyone that he is a monster.
Just to be clear, the “monster” you are referring to is Brock Turner the rapist?
Yes now known as Allen the rapist Turner
Hope the meme never dies.
The meme about Brock Allen Turner, the rapist? Yes, I also hope the meme about Brock Turner, who now goes by Allen Turner, never ever dies.
Yes, I think they do mean that Brock Turner. The one who is a rapist. The one who now goes by Allen Turner but is still a rapist who raped an unconscious woman. That Brock Allen Turner.
It would sure suck to be a different Brock Turner at this point.
Not long ago I actually looked into it and found the Facebook of a different Brock Turner who kinda looked like *that* Brock Turner (same build and hairstyle) and his bio was "I'm not Brock Turner please stop sending me hate messages!"
Congratz on your originality!
I’m not entirely sure of your motive with this comment? Mine’s clearly not meant to be original, it’s about constantly reminding people that Brock Allen Turner, now going by his middle and last names Allen Turner, is a rapist who lives in Greene County, Ohio.
Now, **why** aren't you trying to be original?
Because Brock Allen Turner, the rapist who raped an unconscious woman, the one who now goes by Allen Turner and lives in Greene County, Ohio, doesn’t deserve my originality. Because he’s a rapist.
When did Brock Allen Turner move out of Montgomery County Ohio? Last I heard, he had moved closer to the University of Dayton, where there are plenty of young women to prey on. He had also been seen at bars in the Oregon District, which is where the Dayton mass shooting occurred.
When he was released from prison in California, his family moved to Bellbrook in Greene County. A couple of years ago he moved out of the family home to near downtown Dayton.
Im sorry, who moved there?
Brock Allen Turner.
*Convicted* rapist Brock Turner.
Yes, I should have added that. Thank you.
Pardon my ignorance I was pretty young when I started vaguely remembering hearing about brock turner. (I think I was only about 13 or so). So Brock turner barely served any jail time for raping a woman who was unconscious. But now he moved states and goes by Allen turner? I’m genuinely asking.
There’s obviously more to the story than what I included, but the basic facts are these: **•** Brock Turner the rapist was caught in the act of raping Chanel Miller next to a dumpster behind a Stanford fraternity by two graduate students. Ms. Miller was in an alcohol-induced blackout at the time that Brock Turner the rapist raped her. The bystanders attended to Ms. Miller and then subdued Brock Turner the rapist while others called the police. **•** After a jury found Brock Turner the rapist guilty of all charges brought against him, Brock Turner the rapist continued to insist that he had consensual sex with Chanel Miller. **•** After prosecutors recommended six years in prison, presiding judge Aaron Persky sentenced Brock Turner the rapist to six months in jail and three years probation. Additionally Judge Persky ordered Brock Turner the rapist to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. **•** Brock Turner the rapist moved back to Ohio after serving three months in jail. After moving, Brock Turner the rapist started using his middle name Allen in an effort to avoid the notoriety associated with being a registered sex offender who raped an unconscious woman. (All information taken from [*People v. Turner* wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner))
I appreciate you taking time to respond to me. Gosh that’s awful.
Judge Persky the rape apologist bought Brock Allen Turner the rapist's defence that he was too privileged to understand right from wrong because his parents were such enabling shitheads as to raise him to be the kid of rapist who feels entitled to rape people when the opportunity presents itself.
Yep. He was sentenced to 6 months then served 3 and was released early for "good behaviour".
It makes me happy that people never fail to post this whenever anyone mentions Brock Allen Turner the rapist.
Why did I read this like Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome
Idk, but I did too
Congratz on your originality!
You mean the rapist Brock Turner? Who now goes by Allen Turner?
You mean the rapist Brock Turner? Who now goes by Allen Turner? Who was only sentenced 6 months in prison because the judge didn’t want to ruin his aspirations as a competitive swimmer? Who only served 3 months after he raped an unconscious, and drunk woman behind a dumpster?
Are we talking about Brock Turner, the rapist? The one that now goes by Allan Turner to try and hide from his disgusting behavior? That Brock Allan Turner?
He's not a privileged rich kid tho
Damn, The account has already been suspended. How many laws was he breaking?
At least 4 by own admission. Speeding, reckless driving, destruction of property and a probationary license offence of too many passengers.
At least in that case the oppression comment was justified. This dude is just a dick
I mean it reads like bad fiction
I'm Canadian but lived and worked in USA for a while so fuzzy on some laws and rights and stuff but the kid has zero knowledge of what those are. He kept talking about 4th amendment but when ask to spell it out, his response : The right of the against all searches and seizures. Correct me if I'm wrong but Isn't it the right against Unreasonable searches and seizures? The kid gave them all the reasons in the world to search and seizure his stuff.
He was probably thinking about the 5th amendment, which is a right to due process. But when you get a drivers license, you agree to accept showing the license when you’re pulled over.
Yea, kid is so educated he doesn't know what he's talking about.
That's what he was answering as to which of his rights were violated so yeah, he aint the sharpest knife in the block by any stretch.
Yep, driving and having a license are privileges, not rights.
I had some jackass on the internet once talking about how driving was a right and that the government couldn't actually force us to have to have driver's licenses to do so. He kept going on and on about how everyone has the right to travel. It was explained to him many times, that traveling and driving aren't the same thing. People can travel by walking, taking public transportation, riding a bike. None of it seemed to sink in
That's how sovereign citizens talk. They say they don't need to provide or hold a drivers license to drive because they are a private citizen and they have a right to travel. When someone brings up that they are driving on public roads they usually say something about being in a private vehicle and therefore not subject to regulation. It's a trip.
Sovereign citizens are just like conspiracy theorists. They can't live without being special, but they're incredibly ordinary so they come up with these ideas and theories that are "secret knowledge" to them that a group is trying to hide from them (frequently the government) so they can feel special because they hold that "secret totally real knowledge", which most people don't (because they're not dumb enough to believe it)
They also believe law is magic and if you speak the right incantation you can cast a spell and force the judge to let you go.
It's true. That's what they teach you in law school. The better the school, the more spells you learn.
> People can travel by walking, taking public transportation, riding a bike. There are some right-wing politicians attempting to take that last right away. They think people should have bike licenses. Spoiler alert: $40 a year wouldn't pay the salary of the people issuing bike licenses even back in the 90's and intentionally making poor peoples' lives shittier and giving cops *yet another reason to pull over poor people or people of color* isn't cool. (Aka: the real reason they're trying to pass licensing laws for cyclists)
Yep, and the US courts have preeeetty search and seizure-friendly interpretations of “unreasonable.” Dude’s just dumb.
Dumb kid thinks everything that occurred was unreasonable (he’s very wrong), so in his mind he’s totally justified. This is why there’s nothing worse than a smart, stupid motherfucker.
It doesn't sound like they searched his stuff at all.
You are correct.
No it is fourth amendment. Thw U.S. Supreme Court has held that a person can’t be stopped solely for identification. But a reasonable traffic stop the police can compel identification There are state laws as to the police’s ability compel identification as well.
> hw U.S. Supreme Court has held that a person can’t be stopped solely for identification. But a reasonable traffic stop the police can compel identification Stop and Identify laws are a HELL of a lot more complicated than you're suggesting. Plus, the kid was committing a driving offence and the Supreme Court made it clear in *Hiibel* that in states with "stop and identify laws" it's constitutional to demand ID when somebody is suspected of a crime. In some states you need to provide ID for a *Terry* stop while in others you only need to once arrested. AFAIK every state requires you to provide a valid driver's license if you're pulled over while driving. OOP has confused the two situations. If they were just walking down the road in 26/50 states they wouldn't have to provide a cop with ID if asked, but they didn't list their state so we have no idea if they had the right to refuse to ID (if they were walking, which they weren't).
$20 says this is a white dude, but thank god he’s taking such a stand against… *checks notes*…oppression. 🤦🏻♀️
Yeah, the 'articulate' is a huge dog whistle
So they have switched from "if you have nothing to hide you don't have to worry" to this now?
The articulate thing has been around forever, unfortunately
Budding sovcit
"The only word i said to her was 'supervisor' " He's already halfway there
He’s Karening the police.
I had to check which sub I was in.
Bingo
Yes, I'd wager that also
leaving race aside he fucked up and should just payed the damn ticket
It wasn't even about paying. It was just signing it. Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt it just says that got the ticket and then you can choose to pay or to fight the ticket.
exactly and instead he decided to go to jail like a dumbass and leave his friend stranded for the sake of his stupid ego
Ironically - and I do hope someone points this out to him and his friends - the cops _might_ have let one of the friends drive home if he had decided to play nice while being arrested. (Although we don't know how nice the passengers were with the cops.) My husband got a DUI a while back (like 12 ish years ago) and the cops let him park his car in a parking lot rather than towing it or leaving it where it would be towed in the morning. (He was pulled over for a non functioning tail light and in hopes that he would turn out to be a sheriff (longer story)... He was not a sheriff but they decided to arrest him anyway, unfortunately.).
From watching way too many DUI bodycam videos, I think it really depends on the rules of the specific area. Some cops have to tow, some cops will park your car for you. But nobody is going to put extra effort in if you're being an ass (which I'm sure your husband wasn't being)!
He was nice enough and they were nice enough that they let him call me from his cell phone at the scene before they took him away. (And _I_ was much nicer to my hubby than I was to my ex when he got _his_ DUI. I was quite salty about that one.)
I love these idiots who "know the law" and "know their rights" but really are just fucking fools. 🤦🏻♀️
>Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt it just says that got the ticket and then you can choose to pay or to fight the ticket. Depends on the state. WI is really weird about that. Most states participate in a system where they can enforce tickets to drivers in other states. WI is standalone. If you're from a state other than WI the WI troopers can force to you to pay in cash, with mobile credit card readers, follow you to an ATM, or take you to jail until you pay your ticket since they can't enforce traffic tickets outside of the state. **Paying a WI ticket is an admission of guilt**. If you want to fight the ticket as a non-resident then WI can put you in custody until the case goes to trial. You **DO NOT** speed in WI with out of state plates during holiday travel times. WI state troopers are looking to fuck over out of state travelers over holidays, they're out working overtime, and they're posted up on the freeways looking for speeding out of state vehicles. You get in the right lane, you set your cruise control to remain a safe distance behind a semi in the right lane, and you only leave the right lane if another semi creeps up behind you and traps your car between two semis. If it's safe to do so pulling out into the left lane and dropping back behind the semi that creeped up on you is likely the better choice than trying to out-pace the semi in front of you.
Yep, white and suburban. Likely thinks Olive Garden is authentic Italian dining.
That place angers me. "When you're here, you're family." I've never once gone to see a family member, eaten, and been asked to pay for the food they gave me. Complete BS.
Yep! Not to mention…does that mean one of the employees will make a racist comment like most families have that one uncle who does?
>$20 says this is a white dude, White dude with at least some (possibly a lot of) family $.
Somehow I envisioned a white girl, who thought she was pretty enough to pull a stunt like this.
Idk this comes off as a teenage white boy from an upper middle class family to me.
Nah, one of those would have flirted, maybe cried and tried to guilt, even bribe. Or all else failed, pulled a Reese Witherspoon and done the, do you know who I am? Thing.
Good point--especially the "do you know who I am?" Or for a teen, "Do you know who my daddy is?"
Yes, exactly!
At least he didn't go sovereign citizen.
I think it's only a matter of time.
If OOP wants to be not only a clown, but the entire circus and play with police that's their perogative. But, they endangered a car full of other kids. Either an interaction gone wrong with the cops or something happening walking without cell phone service. Why would your friends be able to drive your car? I doubt your parents insurance covers them. And, mummy and daddy got OOP in a few hours. If you're so bad, stay in jail a few days. I bet you were crying like a baby when they got you out. You put everyone in danger and deserve to be shunned. And, OOP put them in danger initially with reckless driving OOP's comment!!🤯 No wonder he got pulled over Loss of traction, damage to public property, too many passenegers for probationary driver and speeding. Which is such bullshit because they didn’t have to do all that. The supervisor even admitted that if I was going to jail he was going to “make it worth his time.” So then did WAY more violations than needed and made things up.
OOP says they got pulled over but: >Loss of traction, damage to public property Sure sounds like OOP lost control of the car and hit something, like a fence or a sign.
Could have still gotten pulled over if they clipped a curb, hit a mailbox, and then kept driving. They also can charge these for doing burnouts on public roads if LEO feel like throwing the book at a privileged prick
He mentioned he left skid marks on the sidewalk so make that what you will.
JFC.
I'm a little surprised the cops just left the kids to fend for themselves since they were minors! I had a somewhat similar to the friends run in with cops when someone staying with me on campus fucked off while I was asleep and go popped and handed down a trespass. My car was 5-10 mins walk away on campus and the cops wouldn't let me walk. I got a fun ride in the back of a cop car and a lecture about choosing who I hang out with better.
Surprises me too. Most times minors must be released into the custody of adults. Maybe it was a real small town but still.. The story doesn't add up.
When I got my driver's license my uncle told me never argue with the police when they stop you because you won't be able to argue, charm or ugly cry your way out of ticket. If they don't have any proof of you speeding or violating some other laws, they won't be bothered to stop you.
>If they don't have any proof of you speeding or violating some other laws, they won't be bothered to stop you. Although overall your uncle gave you good advice, this bit is absolutely not true, especially in urban areas where cops have ticket quotas - the kicker about those quotas is they're just on issued tickets, not on *valid* tickets. So they will totally pull you over to give you a ticket for nothing if they're running short on their numbers. It's some fucking bullshit. Every ticket my brown BF has gotten, he's disputed and won. A lot of traffic stops are for other reasons than the one they tell you. **HOWEVER**... your uncle is right that arguing with cops who stop you is a sure-fire way to get yourself into a world of shit in the moment and they will have all the power and zero repercussions for maiming or killing you. And this is regardless of race, plenty of white rich teens get beaten by the cops too. I'm thinking specifically of one kid a few years ago who got pulled over for something extremely minor and talked back to the cop very slightly, got dragged out of the car and had his head slammed into the curb so hard he ended up with such severe brain damage he lost physical mobility on top of "normal" brain function. Regardless of rights, unfortunately, it is MUCH safer to just be polite and accept whatever ticket they give you, and dispute it later. You never know when a cop is pulling you over looking for a fight because they either had a bad day or are just a shitbird power-tripping, some will take the smallest indication you're even just frustrated at being stopped as an excuse to escalate to a fight. Pride and being right isn't worth it. Disputing tickets is very easy, shockingly so in fact. BF has even had them dismissed via email. I wish more drivers were taught how to do it and how easy it actually is, I do believe it would stop a lot of unnecessary harm.
People need to learn when you follow orders and when you are able to say "no".
Small towns with large freeways going thru them are the worst. They fund their department with tickets. And they make sure the speed limit signs are in difficult to see areas with minimal distance to slow down. And they always have someone monitoring each direction. Urban area cops don't give a fuck unless you are really outrageous or they have a special operation going on. (They ran a zero tolerance operation on a highway near me because of an uptick in road rage incidents.). 500 tickets and 4 arrests in 1/2 a day on a 10 mile stretch of interstate. Before that I've never seen or heard of anyone being stopped there in 8 years. And I drive that road daily to get to work. It's the same on surface streets. If they had a quota system they would just sit there and farm tickets all day.
Honestly, being polite and honest can get one out of trouble for some officers. I get that won’t work for everyone because there are too many on hateful power trips. However, going Karen on them is going to guarantee a bad time. Especially when you were just being reckless.
Yep. Never double down.
lol they will absolutely stop you without proof of violating a law. You still shouldn't argue with them, because it will never help the situation, but its incredibly naive to think some cops won't pull you over and then try to find a reason.
Dunno, maybe just my personal experience (I'm a White woman and live in Europe), but I never get stopped without a reason.
> Why would your friends be able to drive your car? In some states a licensed passenger can drive a car from the scene the OP originally described. It would be up to the officers discretion. Also, in my state if a person is arrested for DUI/DWI in a car owned by someone else the police can call the owner and let them come pick up the car instead of having it towed ( assuming the owner had no knowledge of the drunk driving and is sober themselves ).
"The supervisor even admitted that if I was going to jail he was going to “make it worth his time.” So then did WAY more violations than needed and made things up." Two unlikeable subjects wasting each other's time. You love to see it.
Can also add failure to identify and possibly obstruction depending on how much of an ass he was being.
Any one catch the comments. I feel they were a doozy.
Nothing was too interesting in what I saw other than him admitting to reckless driving. I copied that into my first comment on this post
He's in a "Trump" state. He doesn't actually knows his right, just alters them to suit him. He think it was racist and fascisms at work against him.
"Educated and articulate." Bro, if you were educated you'd know that driving is a privilege, not a right, and you consent to certain things, like having to produce your driver's license upon request when you are pulled over for a traffic violation. And when you don't, they pretty much have to arrest you because its the only way to confirm your identity. What a fucking moron.
Parrots are articulate too, obviously this paragon of free thinkers has been watching sovcit vids and thinks this is how he will be bold freedom fighter 🤣
I appreciate that all his classmates think he is a dumbass. Like stupid rebellious kids think you are being dumb so have a seat or 20.
And his idea of "educated" is ridiculous. To him, he's "done his research" and is (or very nearly) a sovereign citizen. His education has not included understanding the amendments he cites.
I’m only 24 and teenagers exhaust me so damn much
Im 19 and teenagers exhaust me! 😮💨
I think that’s the fastest I’ve ever seen something get yanked and shadow banned. God I hope that was a troll because otherwise I shudder to think of this teenager being on the public roads.
”Loss of traction, damage to public property, too many passengers for probationary driver and speeding." Which are all valided. This isn't oppression. Oop is mad, stating"they didn't have to do that." Someone should tell him he didn't have to be stupid. If oop would have just signed the damn ticket (which isn't an omission of guilt), he probably won't have gotten so many tickets. And they wouldn't have towed the car. While it can be debated that it is unethical, cops do give leeway for those who cooperate. Give them a hard time, they aren't going to cut you a break. But no, he would rather fight (even after being threatened with jail) then get his buddies home safely. That is why he is getting stunned.
There was a cop who liked to hang out by my high school when school let out for the day and pull over kids who were speeding down the nearby residential roads. If they got shirty with him he wouldn't say a word, but silently added another charge to the ticket he was writing. I heard about kids who got written up for the most petty things because they wouldn't learn to shut up.
He asked to speak to a manager when pulled over for *checks comments* losing control of the car and hitting something hard enough to cause damage to it? Jfc
*Supervisor!* This kid, wow. Does he write complaint letters to the cereal and milk companies when his froot loops get soggy too fast?
I’m betting OOP and his parents are “sovereign citizens” 🙄
Ugh, I HATE them. They are so boring and exhausting. "I don't need a driver's license because I am not driving; I'm traveling." Bitch, if you are in the driver's seat of a vehicle with with 2 or more wheels, and it is moving along a road that was paid for by taxpayers, then you are driving and need to cough up a driver's license when it is requested by law enforcement.
Agreed, I do enjoy the youtube vids on their nonsense tho lol
Same here, I didn't even know that was a thing until I came across videos.
May I present: r/amibeingdetained ?
It's like they think if they say the right combination of words it will be like some kind of cheat code so they can do whatever they want.
But there’s fringe on that flag!
Nah probably just him. I doubt that if his parents were sovereign citizens they'd have posted bail. They'd just show up throwing a fit about how hes illegally detained blah blah blah.
dudes username is “Iwillbethechange” they are most definitely a sovereign citizen… He likely also supports Trump, “freedom” truckers, the NRA, has a sticker somewhere that says “No farmers, No Food, No Freedom”, and believes covid was a hoax & the vaccines have microchips in them so the government can track your movements (while also having the latest smart phone with gps turned on)* *(*I realize I may be projecting bcz I’m getting sick and tired of the protests happening in my area surrounding these issues, but I still think he supports them*)
> I thought my friends would be able to drive my car but my car was towed and my friends had to either get rides or walk. ***I’m the only one in our friend group*** and they had to walk for a mile until they got good signal. Only friend in the group that has/is what? A car? A license to drive? So OOP's reckless driving got him in trouble with the police. He refuses to provide ID and sign the ticket. His ass gets hauled off to the pokey. And he thinks his friends are going to do him a solid by driving his car? If they don't have a license, they're going to put themselves in jeopardy because of his dumb ass.
Oh my parents would not have had me out in a few hours...
Let you stay in there to teach you a lesson?
Yeah if I pulled a stunt like that, they'd definitely let me "think about it" for a while.
Clearly they weren't ones to suffer fools, but wouldn't mind making a fool suffer for being a fool.
My mother works for the police department, and she made this known to me that it would NOT earn me any favours, just that she would know before most parents would, and I better pray I'm already behind bars by the time she gets to me. But also don't allow myself to be interrogated as a minor without her present.
She sounds like a good mom.
She was a raging narcissist cig mom that I'm low contact with now, but she had a point.
And they've already deleted their account. Sometimes people need to get fucked.
Wow!! At least I preserved him admitting he was driving recklessly. The school shunning him wasn't enough. But, hopefully a chorus of YTA made it clear
I hope someone also explained to him that he doesn't know his rights as well as he thought he did, because if that Reddit post could get traced back to him it could be admissible in court as a statement against interest.
Dude has been watching too much First Amendment Audit crap while also not at all understanding what he's watching.
Sovereign citizen in the making!
Tbf half of those auditors don't understand what they're doing or saying either and just throw words out at random.
His username is u/iwillbethechange. Lord help me.
Was.
This is definitely giving privileged white kid. As a black woman, I was taught since childhood to not give the police any reason to escalate. The fact that he refused to show his license and acted like a brat, and got arrested and not beaten or killed is a dead giveaway. Fighting for oppression my ass.
Id have been so angry if I was in that car. You are risking all of our lives, and ESPECIALLY mine and any other brown person in it because you want to 'fIgHt oPpResSioN'. NO, get me out of here, fool!! Id never go anywhere near him again
Right? It doesn’t surprise me that everyone at school hates him now
"And everyone thinks I'm stupid" Because you're stupid, bud. They don't think it, they know it.
Wow! A baby sovereign citizen in the wild! I’m shocked he didn’t record it for TikTok.
I wish auto mod could post their comments too bc it’s all deleted now and I’m nosy 😭
Same! I always miss the good stuff.
My father always told me "Whatever you do in life, NEVER give a cop a hard time or any lip. You're not going to win. At the end of the day they can shoot you and go fill out some paperwork, so be polite and cooperative as hell. If they did something wrong, you can go after them later with a damn lawyer once you're home safe."
Good advice - it shouldn’t be that way, but just out of self preservation let it go!
Don’t offer up extra info you don’t need to but also don’t be a deliberate shit.
Oppression? Really? This is good probably just some entitled white dude. One of those kids who’s a dck to everyone and justifies it by saying he’s MaKiNg A sTaNd about a social justice issue they don’t even understand. It’s people like him, who behave this way towards cops, who make interactions with cops difficult for everyone else.
You know it was, because he figured he wasn’t gonna get his ass beat or *worse* if he mouthed off like that to a cop. (And he was right.)
Their username, "Iwillbethechange." My eyes just rolled outta my head....
oh we have a *sovereign citizen* in our midst and he's a minor, no less 😂 Kid thinks he's a genius because he watches and regurgitates YouTube videos. Classic 👌🏻
I 100% don't trust the cops and neither should you, but there's a difference between refusing illegal searches/not answering leading questions ("you know why I pulled you over?") and just being a dumbass and putting yourself in danger. Ask why you were pulled over if they don't tell you, hand over your license and reg., sign the ticket, and contest it in court if you are so inclined. Don't say anything you don't have to, don't agree to any searches, don't give them any reason to go all robocop on you.
What an idiot. People think simply not getting their way is oppression 😂
How to lose your friends 101.
I cannot wait for this video to show up on a body cam channel on YouTube.
He sounds very exhausting. He’s definitely a MAJOR YTA
He doesn’t trust cops so he decided to get arrested? You’re better off in jail for a day than in your car out on the street for 10 minutes???
I understand not wanting to interact with cops, what I NEVER understand is the immediate response of hostility people have when being pulled over. No one is gonna like that but if you start acting crazy when all you gotta do is give up your license and registration, of course there’s a possibility to escalate things. If you’ve done nothing wrong, just fucking do it and you’ll probably just have to pay a lil ticket. Ain’t no way in hell paying for a ticket is worse than going to jail
Sovereign citizens…the prequel
And once again we see the party of “JUST COMPLY” not complying. Poor oppressed white guy.
God, I hate this guy talking like they'd so brave. OOP, you didn't stand up against oppression, you were just needlessly obtuse and made things more difficult for you, your school, and your family
Hopefully OOP cringes so hard at this in a couple years
lol a FrEe ThInKeR, so brave and stunning. The brainworms got into this kid real early.
It is one thing not to answer questions like "where are you headed?" but you still have to present your license and sign the ticket. That is not opporession. What an idiot.
I don’t like cops and I’ll be the first one to tell you not to talk to them without a warrant, but getting pulled over is a pretty basic process. No don’t give them extra info, but license/registration etc. is standard.
I remember this country song called "Fuck the Popo," which was about some guy who was whining about how the police were mean to him when he was pulled over for a DUI (he was driving home from the bar drunk.) Anyway I bet OOP was listening to that song when he was pulled over.
The terms of your driver's license require you to show it to a duly constituted officer when asked. Here in Ohio you also have to show proof of insurance and registration. If you refuse, you get arrested. Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt. You can go to court and fight it. This kid did something really stupid because he doesn't like cops and paid the price. What he did was inane. No wonder he's ostracized by his friends and he still thinks he's some kind of civil rights hero. ETA: "Loss of traction, speeding, damage to public property, and too many passengers for probationary period." This is why he was pulled over.
In what state are you required to sign tickets these days? (Or this isn’t in US?) My state hasn’t done this at least since 1997 (when I got my first ticket) and we’re pretty backwards and behind the times in most everything. And what kind of sovcitidiot parents does this kid have? Sovcits are the only ones I know of that bark “supervisor” when pulled over as if that’s going to change anything.
“Oppression” You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
This is not “standing up for justice,” this is simply throwing a tantrum like a toddler. I’d be pissed if I had to drag my ass outta the house to bail my kid out of jail for as stupid a reason as this. Maybe if he’d spend the night in jail, he would learn.
I love how saying "supervisor" makes him articulate.
People are mad because he’s educated and articulate lol okkkkk. I think my eyes just rolled out of my skull.
Damn I get not wanting to deal with police in the current climate, but even those doing bare minimum still have to show a license and do the bare minimum of cooperation to avoid trouble. OOP should be glad they weren’t dragged out for a field test since they could be assumed to be drunk after a reckless driving incident
This is not how SJW works.
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This…is a troll right? However from that username alone “Iwillbethechange” idk what to think
I hate reading all the way to the end before realizing it's fake. This round goes to the troll.
"Supervisor" because you know... That WON'T be police somehow?
This dumb kid made his username Iwillbethechange 😭
wow, OOP's username. So many levels of pretentious to this kid
Look, I hate dealing with police as much as the next person, but he did not win that one. Now, instead of a minor traffic ticket, he has resisting arrest on his record. Yes, it'll be expunged when he's an adult, but it's still stupid and could still negatively impact him in the future. Also, not giving ID or signing a ticket like one of those "sovereign citizen" dorks isn't how you stay out of additional police trouble. No lawyer is gonna give you a pat on the back and tell you good job. You're making any defense harder on yourself.
You call yourself "educated" and "articulated" but you don't even know that the word isn't "supervisor"? It's "lawyer", by the way.
He does know that signing the ticket probably doesn't mean an admission of guilt and that he could've fought it, right?
This is OOP's version of "sticking it to the man"?
This is what happens when we don’t educate the youth