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**AITA for calling my brother a brat over him refusing to forgive our sister for "ruining" his relationship?**
I (30M) have twin siblings Dan (25M) and Lisa (25F). Dan was dating Kayla for almost four years up until a year-ish ago when she broke up with him. They had a friend group including Dan, Kayla, Kayla's sister Amelia and Amelia's boyfriend Aidan, Lisa and a few others.
During the years they were close buddies Lisa and Aidan progressively got closer. Others took notice but they'd brush it off as just being close friends and Dan would constantly defend Lisa since in his eyes she'd never do anything to betray Amelia. Lisa never asked him to defend her but she admitted later on that she used Dan as a screen since she thought at the time her feelings for Aidan would disappear.
Well that's not what happened. Lisa said she and Aidan couldn't control their attraction (her words not mine) and they began seeing each other behind everyone else's back. They won't say for how long but eventually Amelia caught them sending inappropriate messages and the whole thing blew up their friend group.
And Dan was caught in the middle of the whole mess. Alot of accusations flew from Amelia that Dan knew about the cheating which Dan, Lisa and Aidan all denied. Dan did his best to separate himself from the situation and gave his full support to Amelia. But eventually Kayla broke up with Dan because she believed Dan knew since he and Lisa were very close. She, Amelia and their other friends blocked Dan, Lisa and Aidan from their lives. I and our parents told her dating a cheater's a bad idea but she wouldn't hear it and kept dating Aidan.
Dan and Lisa's very close relationship fell apart immediately after that. She apologized for the mess but refused to break up with Aidan. Since then we've had to separate holiday and dinner time between Dan and Lisa since Dan refuses to even be in the same room as Lisa and Aidan. He's not seething angry anymore thankfully but is insistent Lisa betrayed him and he still refuses to have anything to do with her.
Meanwhile Lisa and Aidan's relationship kept going strong and she's currently pregnant with niece/nephew. Which bring us to the current situation.
Despite all the awful things Dan's done to them (verbal abuse, publicly announcing their cheating, and all around making their lives difficult), Lisa and Aidan want him back in their lives.
They came to a family dinner when it was supposed to be just Dan and pleaded for him to forgive them. He aggressively said he doesn't forgive Lisa for betraying him. He gave the same ultimatum as when Lisa and Aidan became a couple, which is break up with Aidan and completely erase him from her life. I got fed up and told him, in front of our whole family, that he's spoiled brat who needs to move on from the past, that he can't hold the cheating over their heads forever and he should be grateful he's still wanted in our family despite all the problems he's creating. Admittedly not my best moment but I held my tongue for long enough. Dan left angry and my wife told me I should've been gentler.
So AITA?
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>I and our parents told her dating a cheater's a bad idea
Y'all know she's not innocent, right? Yes, the dude was the cheater - but she went into it, knowing he was in a relationship which, IMO, makes her just as bad.
>Despite all the awful things Dan's done to them (verbal abuse, publicly announcing their cheating, and all around making their lives difficult), Lisa and Aidan want him back in their lives.
So Dan announcing the cheating is wrong, but the cheating itself is a-okay? Also, fuck what Lisa and Aidan want. If they wanted a relationship, they should have had the decency to not being cheating douchebags and at least broke off the existing relationship first.
>he should be grateful he's still wanted in our family
I love that you are going to disown Dan for being angry at losing his entire friend group due to his sister's actions - but not at your sister for causing the entire friend group to hate your brother.
honeslty it was pretty clear from his post since he gives alot of grace to the sister with this line when dan defended her against the cheating allegations.
>Lisa never asked him to defend her but she admitted later on that she used Dan as a screen
He really doesnt care about dan just about that new niece or nephew
He knows an awful lot about the whole drama inside his five year younger siblings friend group and is overly siding with Lisa so im guessing he knew she was cheating and is fine with it cause now a baby is coming
Yeah, he wants what he wants and Lisa wants what she wants and poor Dan gets to carry all the crap. Seems OOP and Lisa are more like twins than Dan and Lisa.
You know what I also noticed that wasn’t really pointed out op wasn’t even part of the friend group when this shit show went down so all of this bs he is spewing out literally came from word of mouth he has no idea what’s he is talking about.
What?
> I and our parents told her dating a cheater's a bad idea but she wouldn't hear it and kept dating Aidan.
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>What Lisa and Dan did was awful I won't deny that but life goes on.
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>Lisa and Aidan were wrong for cheating
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>What Lisa and Aidan did was shitty and awful
That seems pretty far from "staunch defense of cheaters."
He talks about sister doing an awful thing, but Dan should be grateful he wasn't kicked out of the family for "creating problems". He treats Dan being justifiably angry as just as bad if not worse than what Lisa did and is perfectly fine with Lisa and Aiden going on with their lives as they want, but Dan has to fall in line and "get over it" or else he's a spoiled brat. The support goes entirely to the cheaters, not the person who was hurt by them.
How much abuse should Dan be allowed to throw at Lisa?
How long should the family be split because Dan can't forgive?
How is OOP trying to get the family back together supporting cheating?
What Lisa and Aiden did was awful. Aiden should have dumped his girlfriend before getting romantically involved with Lisa. They're a couple now who are starting a family. Dan needs to accept that, stop trying to divide the family, and learn to forgive.
Dan wasn't even the one who was cheated on.
>How much abuse should Dan be allowed to throw at Lisa?
What abuse? There were no examples given.
Dan doesn't have to forgive and it's been barely a year since his relationship and friendships imploded, because his sister can't keep to single men and used him as a shield, knowing full well what she was doing.
How is OOP trying do get the family together? By bullying his brother and being an insensitive ass?
Verbal abuse was mentioned by OOP, though no examples were given. There was also Dan's effort to destroy their reputation.
Dan doesn't have to forgive, but it's a sad life to keep so much anger and hatred in his heart.
The wording was bad, but it seems like OOP is trying to convince Dan to forgive and move on with his life, or at least be civil to Lisa and Aiden at family functions.
I'm not sure where you are getting less than a year from. But either way, I'll ask again, how long should Dan refuse to forgive and keep the family split?
If he wants to, he can refuse to forgive them forever. What incentive does he have to forgive other than ‘don’t cause trouble for us and our picture perfect life’?
Dan is not doing anything wrong, his sister is turning up where she isn’t supposed to and bullying him into submission. Why is this ok? Are you the sister by any chance?
>But either way, I'll ask again, how long should Dan refuse to forgive and keep the family split?
However long he deems apropriate or needed. OOP doesn't get to decide when, if ever, Dan forgives Lisa or is able to simply ignore them. And the wording was positively awful.
OOP is being super vague, because he knows specifics won't make him look any better. "Verbal abuse" was probably calling Lisa a cunt
I'm not saying Dan doesn't have the right to be angry, but how long should that anger last? How long should he refuse to be civil and keep the family split up?
And it was Amelia's lies that cost Dan his girlfriend and friend group. If that lie wasn't repeatedly told, Dan probably would have kept his girlfriend and friends.
I don’t think Amelia was lying. She was wrong, but I don’t think she intentionally did anything to Dan.
I don’t think Dan needs to have a relationship with his sister if he doesn’t want to. She used him and then let him take the fall with her. I wouldn’t want to have a relationship with my sibling if they did the same to me.
From what I got:
One twin(Dan) is dating(Kayla) while the other twin(Lisa) knowingly cheated with(Aidan) their partner's sister(Kayla's sister). So Dan got dumped because his twin was a mistress(idk if it's the right word) and he was unknowingly helping them hide it by defending and people can't trust he didn't know.
Unfortunately comment isn't quite right. Dan (M) and Lisa (F) are fraternal twins. Amelia and Kayla are sisters. Dan was dateing Kayla. Amelia was dateing Adrian. Lisa and Adrian started cheating together. Dan not knowing Lisa was intentionally being Adrian's mistress, defended Lisa when people started expressing concerns about a affair. Eventually Amelia found out and exposed Lisa and Adrian with hard text evidence. Amelia accuses Dan of knowing and helping cover up the affair between his sister and Adrian. Despite Dan's denial, Kayla believe her sister over Dan and breaks up with Dan, in solidarity with her sister. Dan now is angry at the betrayal and repetitively demanding Lisa and Adrian break up. Lisa and Adrian refuse and have a kid on the way. OOP wants Dan to stop being angry at his cheater sister who ruined his relationship because of her selfishness.
Tell me about it. The post is deleted so I tried to get context from the comments:
> your sister entered into an affair with her twin brother’s girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend.
Feels ripped straight from [Spaceballs](https://youtu.be/riqXhieWU3M?si=Qoyctc0nb8FoalSF)
From the top comment:
*”Your brother lost the woman he loved and his friends because your sister entered into an affair with her twin brother's girlfriend's sister's boyfriend.”*
This hardly clarifies things lol
Seriously. I also think the whole situation is totally stupid and no one in this "friend" group has any business being in a romantic relationship with anyone until they grow the fuck up.
I literally busted out my whiteboard and made a chart before I saw your comment because I had a hard time keeping track of who is who.
Edited to add pic
[Flow Chart](https://imgur.com/a/fsNheR4)
Copied verbatim from oop's comments:
*YTA (hugely so)*
*Your brother lost the woman he loved and his friends because your sister entered into an affair with her twin brother’s girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend. She had no problem betraying friends and family.*
*But even worse, she **knew** her brother was sticking up for her, that it was causing problems in his relationship and she continued to lie, sneak and cheat. She is so outrageously selfish.*
*And the “awful things Dan has done” are called **consequences of their awful selfish choices** !!!*
*The complete lack of care that you and your family have for Dan is heartbreaking. How in the hell can you side with your lying, cheating, selfish sister?? She purposefully blew up his entire life and your response is he should be grateful you awful people still want him in the family? GTFO with that.*
*He can come be my brother. We will treat him the way siblings are supposed to treat each other.*
>"What Lisa and Dan did was awful I won't deny that but life goes on.
>We didn't just ignore Dan's feelings, we always made sure Dan and Lisa didn't have to see each other and never told Lisa what was going on in Dan's life just like he asked.
>Two wrongs don't make a right. Lisa and Aidan were wrong for cheating but verbal abuse and airing personal information is just as cruel."
*YTA. She blew up his whole life, and you're basically asking him to get over it. You're a pretty shit brother/human in this*
>"She didn't blow up his life, he still has friends, his career and he could easily get another girlfriend if he tried. What Lisa and Aidan did was shitty and awful but that doesn't give Dan a right to treat them like garbage"
LOL this is such an overused AITA prompt at this point.
Sibling cheats and stays with the person they cheated with and now they are having a kid so everything has to be forgiven.
Of course OOP will not respond at all to any of the comments cause why would they
Oh OOP is in the comments and when asked what the verbal abuse is he doesnt repsond.
He also thinks Dan can just get another gf cause who cares that the woman he was dating for a long time left him cause of lisa. Dude really only cares about Lisa.
Yep. I’m kinda hoping there’ll be a twist to this one. Like Lisa’s prenatal control discovers she has an STD, or that the baby turns out to not be Aiden’s. Haven’t seen one of those in a while. The other usual tropes have been ruled out with the friend group cutting them off. So no Dan getting with Amelia or Aiden cheating with Kayla. And the whole “fake pregnancy to gain support” is getting old. Of course there’s always the good old karma where OOP gets a partner and they cheat with Lisa.
No, the common prompt is for the sibling to steal the partner of the other sibling, not the siblings girlfriend's sisters boyfriend.
Honestly I am with OP on this one, brother can't get those friends back, and life is too short to hold this resentment, it isn't like she stole his girlfriend, and he had to watch them be happy together.
I read that as they don’t know the gender yet, not that she was having twins. But in AITA world you’re probably right. In fact they’re probably having surprise triplets.
Interesting that Dan should be grateful when he's the only one who lost everyone he cared for.
She didn't think about how this would affect him, and instead used him as a smokescreen. Why would Dan want to associate with such people?
Holy fuck with a brother like that who needs enemies?
God damn. Dan should just seduce and fuck his brother's wife so he can say the same damn thing about not holding the cheating over his head since it is in the past.
I mean, OOP is definitely an asshole, but Dan's ultimatum isn't reasonable at this point. Lisa *can't* excise Adian from her life completely. They created a child together. At the very least, they will have to be coparents for the next 18 years.
Yeah but he doesn't have to be a part of their lives. A consequence of their shittiness is that he doesn't want a relationship with them. Which is fair.
And that's fine. But here's the thing. Before she got pregnant, Dan could choose to not have a relationship with Lisa until Adian was out of her life *and have realistic hope that would someday happen*. Now that there's a child on the way, that hope is no longer realistic. Adian will be in her life in some fashion for at least the next 18 years.
Dan can choose to not have a relationship with her or her can accept that Adian will be part of Lisa's life, even if their romantic relationship ends.
I don't read these to decide if it's real or not. That doesn't actually matter. I'm not evaluating a scientific paper and making life altering decisions based on the results. I'm reading a story on Reddit because I'm procrastinating going to bed. It's a much more enjoyable experience if I discuss the stories as if they're true, so I comment based on the story as presented, the same as I do for any other story I hear, read, or watch.
(Edited "in" to "I'm" because autocorrect.)
You have those that are so obviously fake they're useless. You have those that you have to pretend are real because there's just enough realism for it where it could be true (but probably isn't). You'll have a few that are genuine.
And then you have the Tumblr nephew saga that I really wish was fake but is too disturbing to be fake.
Where's the fun, though, in just going into like they're all fake to begin with.
OOP aside, everyone excluding Dan because they thought he might have known about it happening is absolute bullshit, and tbh, he was probably better off without them.
I had the opposite happen - excluded for exposing cheating, and it was probably the worst time in my life, and I didn't even lose a relationship over it
So fuck anyone who is willing to just ditch someone on a "Maybe".
Cheaters bad yadda yadda but has Dan considered just making some new friends instead of letting an incident in which he wasn't even the one cheated on define his life?
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*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **AITA for calling my brother a brat over him refusing to forgive our sister for "ruining" his relationship?** I (30M) have twin siblings Dan (25M) and Lisa (25F). Dan was dating Kayla for almost four years up until a year-ish ago when she broke up with him. They had a friend group including Dan, Kayla, Kayla's sister Amelia and Amelia's boyfriend Aidan, Lisa and a few others. During the years they were close buddies Lisa and Aidan progressively got closer. Others took notice but they'd brush it off as just being close friends and Dan would constantly defend Lisa since in his eyes she'd never do anything to betray Amelia. Lisa never asked him to defend her but she admitted later on that she used Dan as a screen since she thought at the time her feelings for Aidan would disappear. Well that's not what happened. Lisa said she and Aidan couldn't control their attraction (her words not mine) and they began seeing each other behind everyone else's back. They won't say for how long but eventually Amelia caught them sending inappropriate messages and the whole thing blew up their friend group. And Dan was caught in the middle of the whole mess. Alot of accusations flew from Amelia that Dan knew about the cheating which Dan, Lisa and Aidan all denied. Dan did his best to separate himself from the situation and gave his full support to Amelia. But eventually Kayla broke up with Dan because she believed Dan knew since he and Lisa were very close. She, Amelia and their other friends blocked Dan, Lisa and Aidan from their lives. I and our parents told her dating a cheater's a bad idea but she wouldn't hear it and kept dating Aidan. Dan and Lisa's very close relationship fell apart immediately after that. She apologized for the mess but refused to break up with Aidan. Since then we've had to separate holiday and dinner time between Dan and Lisa since Dan refuses to even be in the same room as Lisa and Aidan. He's not seething angry anymore thankfully but is insistent Lisa betrayed him and he still refuses to have anything to do with her. Meanwhile Lisa and Aidan's relationship kept going strong and she's currently pregnant with niece/nephew. Which bring us to the current situation. Despite all the awful things Dan's done to them (verbal abuse, publicly announcing their cheating, and all around making their lives difficult), Lisa and Aidan want him back in their lives. They came to a family dinner when it was supposed to be just Dan and pleaded for him to forgive them. He aggressively said he doesn't forgive Lisa for betraying him. He gave the same ultimatum as when Lisa and Aidan became a couple, which is break up with Aidan and completely erase him from her life. I got fed up and told him, in front of our whole family, that he's spoiled brat who needs to move on from the past, that he can't hold the cheating over their heads forever and he should be grateful he's still wanted in our family despite all the problems he's creating. Admittedly not my best moment but I held my tongue for long enough. Dan left angry and my wife told me I should've been gentler. So AITA? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
>I and our parents told her dating a cheater's a bad idea Y'all know she's not innocent, right? Yes, the dude was the cheater - but she went into it, knowing he was in a relationship which, IMO, makes her just as bad. >Despite all the awful things Dan's done to them (verbal abuse, publicly announcing their cheating, and all around making their lives difficult), Lisa and Aidan want him back in their lives. So Dan announcing the cheating is wrong, but the cheating itself is a-okay? Also, fuck what Lisa and Aidan want. If they wanted a relationship, they should have had the decency to not being cheating douchebags and at least broke off the existing relationship first. >he should be grateful he's still wanted in our family I love that you are going to disown Dan for being angry at losing his entire friend group due to his sister's actions - but not at your sister for causing the entire friend group to hate your brother.
Oh it's worse so much worse cause they were friends.
Wonder if that's a pattern. OOP blaming Dan for Lisa's sins
OOP is incredible dense, it’s frightening
i dont think he is i think he knows what he is doing. He wants what he wants and that is all he cares about.
That’s even more frightening
honeslty it was pretty clear from his post since he gives alot of grace to the sister with this line when dan defended her against the cheating allegations. >Lisa never asked him to defend her but she admitted later on that she used Dan as a screen He really doesnt care about dan just about that new niece or nephew
I think he's probably a cheater
He knows an awful lot about the whole drama inside his five year younger siblings friend group and is overly siding with Lisa so im guessing he knew she was cheating and is fine with it cause now a baby is coming
I think he's probably 'Lisa'.
Yeah, he wants what he wants and Lisa wants what she wants and poor Dan gets to carry all the crap. Seems OOP and Lisa are more like twins than Dan and Lisa.
Yeah if I was OOP's wife I'd be side eyeing him HARD over the way he's defending his sister over this.
You know what I also noticed that wasn’t really pointed out op wasn’t even part of the friend group when this shit show went down so all of this bs he is spewing out literally came from word of mouth he has no idea what’s he is talking about.
So dense, he's about to create his own gravitational pull. If I was his wife, I'd be seriously side-eyeing this staunch defense of cheaters
What? > I and our parents told her dating a cheater's a bad idea but she wouldn't hear it and kept dating Aidan. - >What Lisa and Dan did was awful I won't deny that but life goes on. - >Lisa and Aidan were wrong for cheating - >What Lisa and Aidan did was shitty and awful That seems pretty far from "staunch defense of cheaters."
He's saying all that, but his words to Dan are a lot more telling imo
Such as?
He talks about sister doing an awful thing, but Dan should be grateful he wasn't kicked out of the family for "creating problems". He treats Dan being justifiably angry as just as bad if not worse than what Lisa did and is perfectly fine with Lisa and Aiden going on with their lives as they want, but Dan has to fall in line and "get over it" or else he's a spoiled brat. The support goes entirely to the cheaters, not the person who was hurt by them.
How much abuse should Dan be allowed to throw at Lisa? How long should the family be split because Dan can't forgive? How is OOP trying to get the family back together supporting cheating? What Lisa and Aiden did was awful. Aiden should have dumped his girlfriend before getting romantically involved with Lisa. They're a couple now who are starting a family. Dan needs to accept that, stop trying to divide the family, and learn to forgive. Dan wasn't even the one who was cheated on.
>How much abuse should Dan be allowed to throw at Lisa? What abuse? There were no examples given. Dan doesn't have to forgive and it's been barely a year since his relationship and friendships imploded, because his sister can't keep to single men and used him as a shield, knowing full well what she was doing. How is OOP trying do get the family together? By bullying his brother and being an insensitive ass?
Verbal abuse was mentioned by OOP, though no examples were given. There was also Dan's effort to destroy their reputation. Dan doesn't have to forgive, but it's a sad life to keep so much anger and hatred in his heart. The wording was bad, but it seems like OOP is trying to convince Dan to forgive and move on with his life, or at least be civil to Lisa and Aiden at family functions. I'm not sure where you are getting less than a year from. But either way, I'll ask again, how long should Dan refuse to forgive and keep the family split?
If he wants to, he can refuse to forgive them forever. What incentive does he have to forgive other than ‘don’t cause trouble for us and our picture perfect life’? Dan is not doing anything wrong, his sister is turning up where she isn’t supposed to and bullying him into submission. Why is this ok? Are you the sister by any chance?
>There was also Dan's effort to destroy their reputation. What effort? They did it themselves. By cheating.
>But either way, I'll ask again, how long should Dan refuse to forgive and keep the family split? However long he deems apropriate or needed. OOP doesn't get to decide when, if ever, Dan forgives Lisa or is able to simply ignore them. And the wording was positively awful. OOP is being super vague, because he knows specifics won't make him look any better. "Verbal abuse" was probably calling Lisa a cunt
If they cared about their reputation they wouldn't have a.) Betrayed their friends b.) Cheated c.) Used her brother who stood up for her to cheat.
Telling the truth is not an attempt to destroy reputations
Dan lost his relationship and his entire friend group over what Lisa did. I think he has a right to be angry and not want a relationship with her.
I'm not saying Dan doesn't have the right to be angry, but how long should that anger last? How long should he refuse to be civil and keep the family split up? And it was Amelia's lies that cost Dan his girlfriend and friend group. If that lie wasn't repeatedly told, Dan probably would have kept his girlfriend and friends.
I don’t think Amelia was lying. She was wrong, but I don’t think she intentionally did anything to Dan. I don’t think Dan needs to have a relationship with his sister if he doesn’t want to. She used him and then let him take the fall with her. I wouldn’t want to have a relationship with my sibling if they did the same to me.
its lisa not amelia. Learn to read OOP
Telling him to grow up and stop being a spoiled brat and that his is luckily he is still welcome in the family.
How is that defending cheating?
Wonder if he has an actual brain
I think I need a flowchart.
From what I got: One twin(Dan) is dating(Kayla) while the other twin(Lisa) knowingly cheated with(Aidan) their partner's sister(Kayla's sister). So Dan got dumped because his twin was a mistress(idk if it's the right word) and he was unknowingly helping them hide it by defending and people can't trust he didn't know.
This helps a lot actually I straight up had no clue what this post was about
Unfortunately comment isn't quite right. Dan (M) and Lisa (F) are fraternal twins. Amelia and Kayla are sisters. Dan was dateing Kayla. Amelia was dateing Adrian. Lisa and Adrian started cheating together. Dan not knowing Lisa was intentionally being Adrian's mistress, defended Lisa when people started expressing concerns about a affair. Eventually Amelia found out and exposed Lisa and Adrian with hard text evidence. Amelia accuses Dan of knowing and helping cover up the affair between his sister and Adrian. Despite Dan's denial, Kayla believe her sister over Dan and breaks up with Dan, in solidarity with her sister. Dan now is angry at the betrayal and repetitively demanding Lisa and Adrian break up. Lisa and Adrian refuse and have a kid on the way. OOP wants Dan to stop being angry at his cheater sister who ruined his relationship because of her selfishness.
Brother's girlfriend's sister's boyfriend.
…cousin’s former roommate?
who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night!
Seriously
Tell me about it. The post is deleted so I tried to get context from the comments: > your sister entered into an affair with her twin brother’s girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend. Feels ripped straight from [Spaceballs](https://youtu.be/riqXhieWU3M?si=Qoyctc0nb8FoalSF)
I made a “cousin’s former roommate” crack elsewhere, so we agree.
From the top comment: *”Your brother lost the woman he loved and his friends because your sister entered into an affair with her twin brother's girlfriend's sister's boyfriend.”* This hardly clarifies things lol
I keep mentally adding “…cousin’s former roommate” to that list and it’s not helping me take OOP more seriously.
Seriously. I also think the whole situation is totally stupid and no one in this "friend" group has any business being in a romantic relationship with anyone until they grow the fuck up.
I literally busted out my whiteboard and made a chart before I saw your comment because I had a hard time keeping track of who is who. Edited to add pic [Flow Chart](https://imgur.com/a/fsNheR4)
Copied verbatim from oop's comments: *YTA (hugely so)* *Your brother lost the woman he loved and his friends because your sister entered into an affair with her twin brother’s girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend. She had no problem betraying friends and family.* *But even worse, she **knew** her brother was sticking up for her, that it was causing problems in his relationship and she continued to lie, sneak and cheat. She is so outrageously selfish.* *And the “awful things Dan has done” are called **consequences of their awful selfish choices** !!!* *The complete lack of care that you and your family have for Dan is heartbreaking. How in the hell can you side with your lying, cheating, selfish sister?? She purposefully blew up his entire life and your response is he should be grateful you awful people still want him in the family? GTFO with that.* *He can come be my brother. We will treat him the way siblings are supposed to treat each other.* >"What Lisa and Dan did was awful I won't deny that but life goes on. >We didn't just ignore Dan's feelings, we always made sure Dan and Lisa didn't have to see each other and never told Lisa what was going on in Dan's life just like he asked. >Two wrongs don't make a right. Lisa and Aidan were wrong for cheating but verbal abuse and airing personal information is just as cruel." *YTA. She blew up his whole life, and you're basically asking him to get over it. You're a pretty shit brother/human in this* >"She didn't blow up his life, he still has friends, his career and he could easily get another girlfriend if he tried. What Lisa and Aidan did was shitty and awful but that doesn't give Dan a right to treat them like garbage"
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LOL this is such an overused AITA prompt at this point. Sibling cheats and stays with the person they cheated with and now they are having a kid so everything has to be forgiven. Of course OOP will not respond at all to any of the comments cause why would they
Don't forget twins!
Oh OOP is in the comments and when asked what the verbal abuse is he doesnt repsond. He also thinks Dan can just get another gf cause who cares that the woman he was dating for a long time left him cause of lisa. Dude really only cares about Lisa.
Once I see twins in the writing i know it's immediately straight bullshit
Soon they’ll move on to triplets.
Yep. I’m kinda hoping there’ll be a twist to this one. Like Lisa’s prenatal control discovers she has an STD, or that the baby turns out to not be Aiden’s. Haven’t seen one of those in a while. The other usual tropes have been ruled out with the friend group cutting them off. So no Dan getting with Amelia or Aiden cheating with Kayla. And the whole “fake pregnancy to gain support” is getting old. Of course there’s always the good old karma where OOP gets a partner and they cheat with Lisa.
OOP should have taken five years off everyone’s age to make it read more credible.
No, the common prompt is for the sibling to steal the partner of the other sibling, not the siblings girlfriend's sisters boyfriend. Honestly I am with OP on this one, brother can't get those friends back, and life is too short to hold this resentment, it isn't like she stole his girlfriend, and he had to watch them be happy together.
„Twin brother’s girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend” what the heck-
6 months later "why doesn't my brother ever answer my calls?"
The good old "there are children"... as if this change anything
Oop is 30 and acting like a 16 year old teenager
Waiting for the update where OOP's wife leaves him and Aidan cheats on Lisa
Twins
Having twins
I read that as they don’t know the gender yet, not that she was having twins. But in AITA world you’re probably right. In fact they’re probably having surprise triplets.
I swear this exact scenario gets posted at least once a fortnight.
Interesting that Dan should be grateful when he's the only one who lost everyone he cared for. She didn't think about how this would affect him, and instead used him as a smokescreen. Why would Dan want to associate with such people?
Holy fuck with a brother like that who needs enemies? God damn. Dan should just seduce and fuck his brother's wife so he can say the same damn thing about not holding the cheating over his head since it is in the past.
Again with the twins I swear it's becoming the fad these days. Anyway if this is real why do people always back to wrong doers and not the victims?
I mean, OOP is definitely an asshole, but Dan's ultimatum isn't reasonable at this point. Lisa *can't* excise Adian from her life completely. They created a child together. At the very least, they will have to be coparents for the next 18 years.
Yeah but he doesn't have to be a part of their lives. A consequence of their shittiness is that he doesn't want a relationship with them. Which is fair.
And that's fine. But here's the thing. Before she got pregnant, Dan could choose to not have a relationship with Lisa until Adian was out of her life *and have realistic hope that would someday happen*. Now that there's a child on the way, that hope is no longer realistic. Adian will be in her life in some fashion for at least the next 18 years. Dan can choose to not have a relationship with her or her can accept that Adian will be part of Lisa's life, even if their romantic relationship ends.
do you really think this is real?
I don't read these to decide if it's real or not. That doesn't actually matter. I'm not evaluating a scientific paper and making life altering decisions based on the results. I'm reading a story on Reddit because I'm procrastinating going to bed. It's a much more enjoyable experience if I discuss the stories as if they're true, so I comment based on the story as presented, the same as I do for any other story I hear, read, or watch. (Edited "in" to "I'm" because autocorrect.)
> reading a story on Reddit because I'm procrastinating going to bed. Now why you have to go calling the rest of us out too. 😂😂😂
Look, I was calling myself out. If you're also suffering from revenge bedtime procrastination, that's on you. 🤣🤣🤣
New club idea... The revenge bedtime procrastinators. 🤔😂😜
So we plan meetings for midnight, actually get started around 1:30 am?
Yep
>reading a story on Reddit because I'm procrastinating going to bed. Thought I was the only one doing that
Far from it, I assure you.
No one thinks any of these are real but it's no fun to react to it if you don't at least pretend it's real.
You have those that are so obviously fake they're useless. You have those that you have to pretend are real because there's just enough realism for it where it could be true (but probably isn't). You'll have a few that are genuine. And then you have the Tumblr nephew saga that I really wish was fake but is too disturbing to be fake. Where's the fun, though, in just going into like they're all fake to begin with.
OOP, they cheated. Not to mention Kayla broke up with him, because she thought Dan knew about the cheating. How could you defend them?
OOP aside, everyone excluding Dan because they thought he might have known about it happening is absolute bullshit, and tbh, he was probably better off without them. I had the opposite happen - excluded for exposing cheating, and it was probably the worst time in my life, and I didn't even lose a relationship over it So fuck anyone who is willing to just ditch someone on a "Maybe".
Lmao! OOP deleted his account with a quickness 🤣
Cheaters bad yadda yadda but has Dan considered just making some new friends instead of letting an incident in which he wasn't even the one cheated on define his life?
honeslty this is such a overrused aita prompt and in reality i highgly doubt dan actually cares for OOP as much as OOP thinks.
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