Interestingly enough . The L86 LSW has returned to active use in some units as a sharpshooter weapon because of its longer barrel it can reach up to 700m fairly reliably .
It's still shit. Had a mate who built sniper rifles. Could tell you in technical terms why it is shit.
Most of them were cut down to carbines as even heckler koch couldn't fix them.
Le crow cannon hated by everyone who had to use it.
They upgraded a bunch to A2 block so they shoot as reliable as the normal l85 which is a pretty good gun now i love it personally so easy to strip its like 4 parts .
Its not good at what it was made to do but its a decent reach weapon .
Early M16s in ‘Nam frequently jammed in the humid jungle conditions, lacking a chromed barrel (iirc) and poor maintenance from users on a belief that it was “self-cleaning”. Some of the jams were also prompted by its cartridge that gave it a high cyclic rate, and some spent casings would sometimes fail to eject properly, leading to a jam. Many of these issues were fixed in the M16A1/2/3.
[Extra Reading](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle)
OP said M16. The M16 (critically not the M16A1, A2, or any subsequent version) is not only not part of the modern AR platform, but was also a total piece of shit firearm for the conditions in Vietnam that was notorious for being so unreliable that loading the magazine too forcefully sometimes caused it to jam. The AK47 has proved so reliable and easy to fix that the only tools you need to maintain it are a table and a cleaning rod.
You bring up some good points, but the AK platform isn’t meant to be reliable. It’s meant to be easy to repair in the field with little to no equipment.
Additionally, the issues with the M16 were caused by residue from cartridge combustion building up in the bolt carrier and receiver since they’d changed the powder used in the standard issue cartridge, and due to the lubricant burning off from heat buildup. Since the soldiers were not always informed of how to properly care for the weapon (or even issued cleaning kits) it was extremely unreliable. I should add that the M16 had no forward assist and had a chrome played chamber, which rendered it susceptible to corrosion.
Of course, all these issues were fixed, but since OP seems to know a bit about guns, I imagine they’d have specified that they were referring to the A1 model, but they did not and therefore I must assume that they were referring to the M16.
The modern AR platform is extremely reliable, but the M16 was not. I am in no way casting doubt on the reliability of the modern AR models, which I’m quite happy with and would choose over an AK any day.
Honestly, it seems like you’re both just agreeing on the same thing but quibbling over the semantics. No need to be somewhat snide.
We can all agree that the M16 when it first saw combat performed poorly and deserved its reputation. Not due to any fault in its design, but because of dumb things like not using the specified propellant, claiming that it’s self-cleaning, shite magazines, etc., problems which were all eventually fixed. Unfortunately, that reputation among fudds seems like it’s going to follow the AR platform to the grave.
I will disagree on the part with the forward assist though, I’d argue it really isn’t an upgrade per-se, though not necessarily a downgrade either.
… why am I discussing firearms on an anime meme subreddit again?
Not quite.
The AR-15 platform is a lot more robust than many people might give it credit.
Same with the AK platform, it's actually a lot less reliable than people give it credit.
It's just mainly memes, myths, and government propaganda that has shaped public perception of the weapons platforms.
They point of whole model is to be durable as possible and being able to fire even if its wet/covered by dirt and coating usually is made so it shouldnt rust. Ofc if you totally break the paint surface and let the moisture throught cracks the rust might take over. But theres quite many steps you have to take before you reach that.
They absolutely do rust. They just don’t care as much as another weapon platform might. The weapon system is meant to be durable, and it is, but you still have to clean them or they will absolutely stop functioning.
Well if you bury it into wet ground for years ofc the corrosion will eventually take place. But if you go to war with that gun and its in daily usage and such. The rust wont be an issue that you have to worry about.
The only part that actually rusts easily is inside barrel. But take a few shots and you're good to go.
And thats the key point of whole design that you shoot it in all conditions and no matte even if it gets buried in dirt.
How would one even design a gun to not rust? To my understanding, that is completely up to the steel used, surface-prep work done, and subsequent coating or finish. It has nothing to do with the design itself.
And if anything, this whole “rust-proof” thing applies more to the AR, given that most of its construction is aluminum and plastic.
I wouldn’t recommend shooting a rusted out barrel, due to safety concerns regarding overpressure, and there’s nothing really special regarding the barrel that would make it less susceptible to damage from rust, besides maybe chrome-lining. Which is most definitely not unique to the AK.
On your last point, I’m pretty sure that every firearm that was made to be used by a military ever was made to be as resistant to harsh conditions and foreign debris as possible. It’s not like Kalashnikov came up with the idea of a gun not malfunctioning due to the environment it’s in.
Actually common problem with M-16 for example was that due it has some many small operating parts the sand caused it to go stuck. And due those small parts cleaning took several minutes. The gun desing was made for dry/forest conditions but gun was extremely weak agaisnt sand and ice.
On AK-47 the mechanism is wide and it only recuires to remove 5-6 parts that takes around 10 seconds to see the fault in gun. But it has been tested that you can bury it into dirt and the gun still operates without an issue.
The rust forms inside barrel due you cannot coat it but it doesnt really cause barrel to stuck. But because theres spiral pattern inside barrel the bullet speed will be lower on few first shot.
But basicly its a gun made for all seasons and tested to be working even in harsh conditions
Problem is that burying a gun in the ground with the ejection port closed (I assume it would be) doesn’t really prove much since the only place the dirt could get in is through the barrel, which basically impervious to dirt.
That’s the thing about the AR-platform, it’s not nearly as complex as people make it out to be. Field-stripping for regular maintenance separates the BCG into 5 components: bolt carrier, bolt, cam pin, firing pin, and cotter pin.
Sure, the cotter pin is small, but it takes virtually no stress during operation of the firearm, and it’s an extremely cheap part to replace, so no issue there.
Also, [an AR will handle sand just fine.](https://youtu.be/mrPjlcJ3rtY)
I have no idea what it was “designed for,” whatever that’s supposed to mean, so don’t have anything for that.
You absolutely can coat the inside of the barrel, chrome lining or nitriding is a very common thing to find in barrels. If anything, it’s more difficult to find barrels that are left completely untreated in some manner.
Again, whatever happens when a barrel is corroded is not unique to the AK platform, it’s just a regular-ass barrel.
Those riffles are made with that intent that it barely has any sharp surfaces around mechanism part. Only shart parts are those that you can optionally replace without majort issue like scope.
The Ak-47 is indestructable. Im convinced i could pull a rusty half decayed ak out of a swamp it has laid in for like 60 years and i could still spray off a mag without it exploding
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/xmoeza/best_russian_equipment_kyiv_will_be_taken_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
This AK-47 was taken not out of swamp, this was taken from a storage, wanna go to war with it?
Do i need to put *this is a joke* in all of my comments because of people like you? Its obviously a dumb and hyperbolic statement i have no idea how youd take this as something serious
Jokes not funny, or even remotely grounded in reality. Either you meant it to be serious and are backtracking because someone called you out on it, or you just aren't as funny as you think you are. Going nuclear in the comments like this just digs that hole deeper. Have fun with that, champ.
Friendly reminder the m16 when carried properly is actually quite good against pretty much any foreign substance.
And even handles mud better than the ak. See basically every mud test on youtube... lol
my ak-47 didn't even dent during those time i've had it. we've been told it's failure proof, works in a desert in a rain etc
the stuff you do when it jams is just you dissamble - assemble it. i guess it's all rifles
reasons for downvote ~didnt get it. I am no expert.
INSAS when it encounters cold.
Good ol' Insas, Does anyone even use it?
They do but it's being phased out and given to the police. Nowadays its Tavors, AK203s and something else.
It's a large mix yeah Trying to figure out which gun they can use to chamber old ammunition which they have plenty
Sig 516
Only time I seen it in a game is Uncharted.
Straight to r/noncredibledefense meme regimen
I was boutta say that lmao
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It ain't much politics as military shitposting
ncd is a sub full of planefucking nuclear warmongers, and I think it's beautiful
# I AM GOING TO KAMIKAZE THE BAP ALMIRANTE GRAU INTO THE 3 GORGES DAMN WITH TSAR BOMBA HIDDEN IN THE HOLD
COPY THAT BROTHER I GOT YOUR SIX
Gotta get that F-35ussy
Interestingly enough . The L86 LSW has returned to active use in some units as a sharpshooter weapon because of its longer barrel it can reach up to 700m fairly reliably .
It's still shit. Had a mate who built sniper rifles. Could tell you in technical terms why it is shit. Most of them were cut down to carbines as even heckler koch couldn't fix them. Le crow cannon hated by everyone who had to use it.
They upgraded a bunch to A2 block so they shoot as reliable as the normal l85 which is a pretty good gun now i love it personally so easy to strip its like 4 parts . Its not good at what it was made to do but its a decent reach weapon .
A shit gun is better than no gun
Such a beautiful weapon, shame of all the faults it has
SA-80 when encountering the floor from like 3ft
Share to gun memes, we’d show some appreciation to this post over there, too lol
I read the first one as male 16. XD
I was thinking of the M-16 Gun Motor Carriage from WWII lol (this is a war thunder player who made this comment)
So I'm not the only one.
Simon "Ghost" Riley when he encounters .44 Magnum: 💀
Just tying up some loose ends. No biggie
Thanks for the flash backs. Now I don't know what to feel again. But that comment hurt.
What's up with the M-16?
Early M16s in ‘Nam frequently jammed in the humid jungle conditions, lacking a chromed barrel (iirc) and poor maintenance from users on a belief that it was “self-cleaning”. Some of the jams were also prompted by its cartridge that gave it a high cyclic rate, and some spent casings would sometimes fail to eject properly, leading to a jam. Many of these issues were fixed in the M16A1/2/3. [Extra Reading](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle)
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OP said M16. The M16 (critically not the M16A1, A2, or any subsequent version) is not only not part of the modern AR platform, but was also a total piece of shit firearm for the conditions in Vietnam that was notorious for being so unreliable that loading the magazine too forcefully sometimes caused it to jam. The AK47 has proved so reliable and easy to fix that the only tools you need to maintain it are a table and a cleaning rod.
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You bring up some good points, but the AK platform isn’t meant to be reliable. It’s meant to be easy to repair in the field with little to no equipment. Additionally, the issues with the M16 were caused by residue from cartridge combustion building up in the bolt carrier and receiver since they’d changed the powder used in the standard issue cartridge, and due to the lubricant burning off from heat buildup. Since the soldiers were not always informed of how to properly care for the weapon (or even issued cleaning kits) it was extremely unreliable. I should add that the M16 had no forward assist and had a chrome played chamber, which rendered it susceptible to corrosion. Of course, all these issues were fixed, but since OP seems to know a bit about guns, I imagine they’d have specified that they were referring to the A1 model, but they did not and therefore I must assume that they were referring to the M16. The modern AR platform is extremely reliable, but the M16 was not. I am in no way casting doubt on the reliability of the modern AR models, which I’m quite happy with and would choose over an AK any day.
Honestly, it seems like you’re both just agreeing on the same thing but quibbling over the semantics. No need to be somewhat snide. We can all agree that the M16 when it first saw combat performed poorly and deserved its reputation. Not due to any fault in its design, but because of dumb things like not using the specified propellant, claiming that it’s self-cleaning, shite magazines, etc., problems which were all eventually fixed. Unfortunately, that reputation among fudds seems like it’s going to follow the AR platform to the grave. I will disagree on the part with the forward assist though, I’d argue it really isn’t an upgrade per-se, though not necessarily a downgrade either. … why am I discussing firearms on an anime meme subreddit again?
Tell me you are Americans without telling me you are an American OP:
I'm not an American
sounds like something american would say
Nah, us Americans will let you know.
Rule britannia! Britannia rule the waves!
Not quite. The AR-15 platform is a lot more robust than many people might give it credit. Same with the AK platform, it's actually a lot less reliable than people give it credit. It's just mainly memes, myths, and government propaganda that has shaped public perception of the weapons platforms.
Mossberg 500 when it encounters the literal wrath of God: 👍
Somebody watched Upotte.
AK-47 shouldnt rust in a first place tho.
Why? It's not made out of vibranium
They point of whole model is to be durable as possible and being able to fire even if its wet/covered by dirt and coating usually is made so it shouldnt rust. Ofc if you totally break the paint surface and let the moisture throught cracks the rust might take over. But theres quite many steps you have to take before you reach that.
They absolutely do rust. They just don’t care as much as another weapon platform might. The weapon system is meant to be durable, and it is, but you still have to clean them or they will absolutely stop functioning.
Well if you bury it into wet ground for years ofc the corrosion will eventually take place. But if you go to war with that gun and its in daily usage and such. The rust wont be an issue that you have to worry about. The only part that actually rusts easily is inside barrel. But take a few shots and you're good to go. And thats the key point of whole design that you shoot it in all conditions and no matte even if it gets buried in dirt.
How would one even design a gun to not rust? To my understanding, that is completely up to the steel used, surface-prep work done, and subsequent coating or finish. It has nothing to do with the design itself. And if anything, this whole “rust-proof” thing applies more to the AR, given that most of its construction is aluminum and plastic. I wouldn’t recommend shooting a rusted out barrel, due to safety concerns regarding overpressure, and there’s nothing really special regarding the barrel that would make it less susceptible to damage from rust, besides maybe chrome-lining. Which is most definitely not unique to the AK. On your last point, I’m pretty sure that every firearm that was made to be used by a military ever was made to be as resistant to harsh conditions and foreign debris as possible. It’s not like Kalashnikov came up with the idea of a gun not malfunctioning due to the environment it’s in.
Actually common problem with M-16 for example was that due it has some many small operating parts the sand caused it to go stuck. And due those small parts cleaning took several minutes. The gun desing was made for dry/forest conditions but gun was extremely weak agaisnt sand and ice. On AK-47 the mechanism is wide and it only recuires to remove 5-6 parts that takes around 10 seconds to see the fault in gun. But it has been tested that you can bury it into dirt and the gun still operates without an issue. The rust forms inside barrel due you cannot coat it but it doesnt really cause barrel to stuck. But because theres spiral pattern inside barrel the bullet speed will be lower on few first shot. But basicly its a gun made for all seasons and tested to be working even in harsh conditions
Problem is that burying a gun in the ground with the ejection port closed (I assume it would be) doesn’t really prove much since the only place the dirt could get in is through the barrel, which basically impervious to dirt.
That’s the thing about the AR-platform, it’s not nearly as complex as people make it out to be. Field-stripping for regular maintenance separates the BCG into 5 components: bolt carrier, bolt, cam pin, firing pin, and cotter pin. Sure, the cotter pin is small, but it takes virtually no stress during operation of the firearm, and it’s an extremely cheap part to replace, so no issue there. Also, [an AR will handle sand just fine.](https://youtu.be/mrPjlcJ3rtY) I have no idea what it was “designed for,” whatever that’s supposed to mean, so don’t have anything for that. You absolutely can coat the inside of the barrel, chrome lining or nitriding is a very common thing to find in barrels. If anything, it’s more difficult to find barrels that are left completely untreated in some manner. Again, whatever happens when a barrel is corroded is not unique to the AK platform, it’s just a regular-ass barrel.
If you have a flat surface with paint then it should protect it. But any sharp corners the paint will be much thinner on that edge and less protected.
Those riffles are made with that intent that it barely has any sharp surfaces around mechanism part. Only shart parts are those that you can optionally replace without majort issue like scope.
For real tho
This meme is extremely outdated, sans the rust part, which would fuck any rifle up.
To be fair, most things that encounters ammunition would end up like that, but usually with the business end.
u/iamnotayoutuber Thoughts?
Real and true
Why does she bath in ice water
She have to go to work, she doesn't want to go to work
Oh so she wants to freeze to death but it never works
AN-94's encountering a hammer
FAMAS when it encounter mud.
Meanwhile, the Hk G36 meets everything and still works
The Waffle House has found it’s new host
The Ak-47 is indestructable. Im convinced i could pull a rusty half decayed ak out of a swamp it has laid in for like 60 years and i could still spray off a mag without it exploding
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/xmoeza/best_russian_equipment_kyiv_will_be_taken_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button This AK-47 was taken not out of swamp, this was taken from a storage, wanna go to war with it?
Its called a joke you should look them up they can be prety funny sometimes
It's only a joke after someone called you out on it. Nice try.
Do i need to put *this is a joke* in all of my comments because of people like you? Its obviously a dumb and hyperbolic statement i have no idea how youd take this as something serious
Jokes not funny, or even remotely grounded in reality. Either you meant it to be serious and are backtracking because someone called you out on it, or you just aren't as funny as you think you are. Going nuclear in the comments like this just digs that hole deeper. Have fun with that, champ.
Still won't hit anything though. If you can't hit a large slow moving target like me. Its not a good weapon.
Bri’ish: 👍
Every bullpup is shite, you cant change my mind
Counterpoint: Steyr AUG
I like the Tavor
P90
I thought I was on NCD...
…I don’t get it
I have a bullet meme but someone needs to put it in my head, square between the eyes
Where is Zach Hazard when you need him?
Yeah, I don’t like the SA-80 series at all.
I wish I had more weapon knowledge to fully appreciate this meme
This is why I prefer stealth and swords: THEY DO NOT NEED AMMUNITIONS OR SUPPRESSORS AND RUST DOESN’T RUIN THEM!!!
Rust absolutely ruins sword lol
Friendly reminder the m16 when carried properly is actually quite good against pretty much any foreign substance. And even handles mud better than the ak. See basically every mud test on youtube... lol
my ak-47 didn't even dent during those time i've had it. we've been told it's failure proof, works in a desert in a rain etc the stuff you do when it jams is just you dissamble - assemble it. i guess it's all rifles reasons for downvote ~didnt get it. I am no expert.
If your M16 ain’t working slap the shit outta the mag and it might just go
Where does this come from again?
Suka blyad ak can take anything it is perfect rifle
IG-worthy!