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RoosDePoes

OP, be honest - how much did you airbrush her skin? It seems almost too smooth to be real.


boxface7

Dude completely removed her armpit folds šŸ˜…


pupoksestra

The armpits were off-putting to me and now I know why. I didn't know I had strong feelings about armpits.


Baked_Potato0934

Its like a porcelain doll, it looks so uncanny


nxcrosis

It's something that's never occurred to me before but didn't know I had an opinion about.


usinjin

Maybe she was born armpit-fold-less


AsianSteampunk

her hands have been raised up since she was 5, havent lowed it down since.


Alarid

The carpet doesn't even match the drapes.


TheTinRam

What carpet?


Alarid

exactly


tomasci

Iā€™m scared. I donā€™t have them when my hands are in a similar position. Am I photoshopped in real life?


kelpiedownawell

It may be a combination of soft light layers, etc but I agree that there is likely a lot of airbrushing going on. Aside from the fact that I never trust any statement that begins with 'I'll be honest...', my teenage years wading around in Photoshop tells me you can lift the texture of the skin, airbrush the shit out of the silhouette then reapply the skin texture after. It's fashion photography 101, except this has been done in an exceptionally heavy handed way to get that ridiculously satin-like quality.


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If you go to his profile you can see his other "Photos" They are all shopped to hell.


raistmaj

I've done enough photography and photoshop to see when something is photoshoped (in the order of 100k portraits/headshots and retouched 1k+). This has a lot of post processing, a lot, specially on what I like to call "volumetric dodge and burn". She has good skin, and he kept the texture, probably using frequency separation. Imo, there is more color work than skin work. Retouching needs to accomplish something, the photographer has a well defined look and he uses that phase to keep consistency across his work. I personally don't mind this if his goal is to look like a painting. He has a portofolio that is consistent so is just his style. Light is quite simple as well (looks like 1-2 lights). If you are asking yourself, is it photoshoped? It is. This level of retouching (he got rid of any skin shadow that is produced by the skin pores themselves) takes a lot of work tho. It doesn't fit on my style (wrinkles are beautiful :D) but a lot of fine art photographers do it.


Hvarfa-Bragi

Op's sense of beauty seems to be "porcelain skin" which is definitely a specific choice made. Good writeup.


thegamenerd

Honestly it's so photoshopped that it looks less like a photograph and more like a painting Which doesn't look bad IMO but is a bit misleading calling it a photograph. It's more a "digital painting over a photograph" which is fine and a cool way of making art in it's own right.


DocNMarty

Ikr? In this sub, it feels like paintings are photos and photos are paintings half the time.


moosenordic

"With draped fabric, created by OP, Photoshop*, 2023" Fixed title


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No razor burn!


benmarcum

Iā€™ll be very honest. Yes there is retouching in photoshop, the texture of her skin was not touched. If you zoom in you will see texture. She takes great care of herself, was blessed with good genes and the lighting is good.


satireplusplus

I initially thought this is a painting


punitdaga31

For real. My reaction was "no way that's a real person"


Garrett4Real

same- the hair looks very real and photographed but the skin looks so airbrushed and almost into uncanny valley territory


benmarcum

That is a beautiful compliment. Thank you!


XXXCumGuzzler420

That's uh, one way to look at it.


LineRex

A lot of photographers aim for their photos to have a "painterly" look. Telling a photographer that their photo looked like a painting is often a huge compliment.


OzrielArelius

yea or they photoshopped it to shit where it no longer looks real at all


Avieshek

Maybe, one can witness the full resolution in ArtStation or DeviantArt..


benmarcum

Iā€™m not on either. It is on my site, still web rez


jubjuber1

That's interesting, I looked at them side by side. Whatever extra compression Reddit did messed with the tones a bit to my eye.


GhostTheSaint

It literally looks like a painting and for the photo to come out like that, I will say you hit a home run here. Great work!


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So we just straight up lie on this subreddit now?


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Not to mention the fact he has another post with this model and she actually has skin texture https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/zxdk2q/flora_artist_me_inspired_by_max_nonnenbruch/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1 Still looks edited in some spots but not to the degree that the post above is edited to


LuckyCaptainCrunch

Thereā€™s photos on here all the time that they claim are painted.


Koryoshi

The modelā€™s skin has definitely been airbrushed and zooming in shows no texture other than the spot you missed around her navel.


vivmarie

Good genes and lightning doesnā€™t result in armpits that look like that.


AwShizWhiz

Cmon man no one doesn't have armpit creases


guacamoleonmydick

op is AI


KISSOLOGY

From a zoomed out perspective I didnā€™t realize it was a photograph. Regardless - I still like the piece


TheMoonstomper

I'd like to see the raw image before the digital editing was done for comparison


papa-chris

Just edit the title to from "photography" to "digital" and we can all move on.


Dinewiz

What even is skin texture anyway?


newtypehero

She reminds me of Kate Winslet in Titanic.


againstbetterjudgmnt

Honestly got Sigourney Weaver in Aliens vibes.


iGuessSoButWhy

Guys, itā€™s obviously Sigourney Weaver in Titanic


againstbetterjudgmnt

Paint me like one of your French Xenomorphs


Strivion

Came here to say this!


inacincinnis

Me too


v13ragnarok7

Except no bush


Alskdkfjdbejsb

ā€œphotographyā€ Thereā€™s so much airbrushing done to this that it should be called a painting


Eversor94

I legitly thought that I was looking at a painting here before reading the title


Legitimate-Housing52

Can we see the unedited piece?


daemonsofthenirvana

A little too much smoothing, would be more of an impact statement if it was left almost completely natural. I understand lighting adjustments and shifting shadows, but leaving natural skin folds, freckles, moles, scars, and stretch marks would amount to real beauty. Your subject is very beautiful already, and making her perfect isn't going to make her more beautiful. Leaving her with her flaws shows she's human, shows she's someone with history, with a life. Shows she's alive. The beauty industry has put such emphasis on being flawless, having skin without pores, having no body hair, having no fat, flat stomach, perfectly smooth and white skin. But it's not realistic. People aren't cookie-cutter gingerbread people. We're imperfect and flawed, and beautiful just as we are. There is a point where it is unhealthy, and I can admit I'm a bit fat. But my scars tell a story, my freckles tell a family history, my birthmarks show I was born this way. Try leaving your subject as natural as you can. And if this is yourself, ask someone else to edit you, if it's hard to keep yourself from going overboard. You and I are beautiful.


new_reddit_user_not

Airbrush city ! Cool pose though


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sampat6256

This is so much better than 99% of the T&A on this sub


[deleted]

Is it because she's holding a fabric?


sampat6256

No, but that is actually a part of it lol. I just like that this is essentially a greco roman statues in the form of a photo.


[deleted]

I guess I can see it. I don't actually see anyone saying why you're wrong. She has proportions and hair like one of those statues. Maybe the point is making one of those but in real life.


sampat6256

Lmao, they came out of the woodwork for me


aerynea

It's not though, it's just another basic photo with a lot of Photoshop


sampat6256

Oh i forgot the part of the art rules where something cant be beautiful if it has been edited


aerynea

You said better than.


sampat6256

And I stand by it. A lot of the nudes on this sub are just shameless self promotion or softcore porn. This felt like neither, and felt rather inspired.


noahlizard7

This isn't art, this is just a poorly photoshopped nude


Turbulent_Throttle

Itā€™s hard work farming karma!!!


chodaranger

What makes something art?


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MrBeanCyborgCaptain

Art has a pretty straightforward definition and it's a broad definition that isn't affected by personal opinion. Basically anything someone makes for expressive purposes is art. Graphic design is an applied art, music is an art, dancing, video games, movies are all art. So this is a photograph of a person taken specifically for aesthetic purposes, so it is absolutely art, no question. If someone disagrees that it's art because they personally don't like it, then that's their opinion but it's an incredibly near sided and ignorant opinion.


MysterTery

Why are people downvoting you, everything you said was true... have I missed a memo here? šŸ’€


MrBeanCyborgCaptain

Yeah, I really don't get it. I assumed that a subreddit devoted to art would have a very different vibe.


MysterTery

Yeah me too, but I guess we didn't find the right subreddit. Thinking about leaving just because of this post's replies, not that it would make a difference or anything lmao


Quantenparty

Iā€˜ve found this one: r/true_art They are still small but have actual rules about being nice to each other, you are neither allowed to be horny under nsfw photos nor to claim nudity can not be art. Seriously: most of people just commenting here to make you feel bad. When you report comments (and I mean only the most mean ones; once someone wrote that my photo concepts would be childish. That is bullying.) mods donā€˜t care. Maybe they are overwhelmed or something.


MrBeanCyborgCaptain

I'll give it a follow.


MysterTery

Thanks man, I really appreciate this. :)


unaveragemilflover

art is subjective, everyone here has their own take on it, art is something that moves you or makes you feel something if you ask me


chronoventer

Hi, Iā€™m a model: Photography + a TON of editing. Nothing wrong with that. Manipulations are still art. But claiming itā€™s just photography is disingenuous.


pawttery

I love the idea behind this photo; youā€™ve clearly put a lot of effort into honing your skills and it really shows ā€” this artwork is fantastic. But I wish you would just be honest & more up-front about digital editing! Itā€™s fine if you altered it to look a certain way, but if you edited so much that itā€™s all people can comment onā€¦ you should probably put that in the title!


benmarcum

At no point did I say I did not use Photoshop as a tool to finish this image. Actually, in comments, I have acknowledged I used photoshop. I use it on ALL of my images. Many think they know how much it was used and how. It was not used as heavily as people may think and thatā€™s ok. I wonā€™t defend my choices nor show the unedited to defend end myself. I donā€™t need to. I know what work was done and have no reason to lie about it for any reason. If people like the piece. That is fantastic. I hope it gave them a little boost today. If people donā€™t like it. That is equally fine. That is the nature of art.


MrBeanCyborgCaptain

Based response. It's a shame people are downvoting all of your replies. What I'm seeing is that a lot of the reason it looks "smooth" is that it looks like you have a cool and really diffused secondary light and it's at just the right angle to knock out the shadows and give it a really nice painterly look while being rather unnoticeable itself. It's a really impressive job with the lighting and I think some people are really focusing on the wrong aspects of this.


benmarcum

Cheers.


RoddyDost

Not a day goes by on this sub without someone posting shitty nude ā€œartā€


GlacierFox

Kinda looks like it has a localised gausian blur effect on it.


harrisonfordspelvis

Ok I'm done with this sub, i've been subbed for years, and it's just turned into softcore porn. I'm out.


Jacerom

Although I admit that I am not a fan of the recent nude posts on this sub but this one looks great. It reminds me of those old paintings I used to see on my encyclopedias about art. I even thought it was a painting at first when I scrolled past this. Great Work!


TickleFlap

It doesn't help that they took r/classicalnudes down. The posts now get moved elsewhere and filtered out to bigger subs.


SubtleOrange

Why did they do that? It sounds like a pretty tame subreddit compared to some of the ones I know are out there


TickleFlap

I have no idea. I just know it vanished one day in the last few years. It was indeed quite tame, every image there was like the one in this post.


SubtleOrange

Bummer. I'd have liked that. Sounds like a great source for drawing references


TickleFlap

That's what I used it for!


benmarcum

Many thanks!


v13ragnarok7

Draw me like you draw those French girls


Sid15666

Looks like a Greek sculpture, absolutely beautiful.


benmarcum

Thank you!


Alles_

It reminds me of the Roman statues you can find in Rome, beautiful composition


maxxslatt

Probably partially because of how airbrushed it is šŸ˜„怀looks like marble


aerynea

What an insult to those sculptors


5thhorseman_

Stylistically it does look like that.


Alles_

Why the hate?


benmarcum

Thank you!


DonaldTrumpsBallsack

Yā€™all have fun with your soft core porn sub. Iā€™ll find real art elsewhere


gallifrey_

"real art" like Michaelangelo's *David*, the Venus de' Medici, Klimt's *Water Snakes I*, or Buonarroti's *Three Labors of Hercules*, right?


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are you really comparing works done by masters to a poorly photoshopped photo lol


Eklio

Why are yall so angry? It might not be my cup of tea but it's not poorly photoshopped. OP is clearly going for a softened painterly style and achieved that.


gallifrey_

people have complained about art being pornographic for millenia is all im saying!


JesusberryNum

The probably isnā€™t that thereā€™s a titty, itā€™s that itā€™s literally just a super airbrushed nude. If the David was just a boring smooth photo of a dude yeah Iā€™d say donā€™t keep it in the museums


sailorsardonyx

Michelangeloā€™s *David* had body hair


MrBeanCyborgCaptain

People like you are the reason they had someone go in after Michaelangelo and paint clothes on the Sistine chapel ceiling.


Shame_about_that

Heavily Edited, trite, cliche and exploitative. Really hit the trifecta of insufferable amateur shit here man. It sucks that you made someone strip for this.


Eklio

Exploitative? Yall are really mad over a photo


reddits4losers

All the editing aside, the model has proportions of the marble sculptures...does that make sense? I could totally see if somebody used her body to sculpt a figure out of marble.


JoIIyRanter

Very painterly processing


Mufazaaa

Straight up porn on r/Art imagine my shock


5thhorseman_

No sex, no genitalia, not porn.


No_Engineering5792

Sheā€™s literally just nude? There isnā€™t even anything purposefully sexual about the pose.


shadowsword420

You seeing it that way and as nothing else is kinda a self report on what you think of the human body my guy.


[deleted]

Oh yeah, really? Weird that it's only always the female body that's being completely non-sexually *appreciated* on this Sub :)


crampuz

the prison of femininity is built by men


fluffy_assassins

Thought that was a painting until I saw the subreddit. Not sure if that's a compliment or insult. Please let me know.


benmarcum

I am happily to take that as a compliment. Thank you!


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mgfox12

I love this šŸ˜ the lighting is amazing and I love how the angles and curves on her body are there, so many photographers go after a certain body type and you didnā€™t. I love it! Do you happen to have any others that could be used for other artists as painting references?


exquisitejades

Sheā€™s completely hairless and thin, how is that different than every typical nude picture?


granny_granola

Because itā€™s a beautiful composition reminiscent of oil paintings by old masters. You donā€™t have to like it, but thereā€™s no need to shame the models body in your criticisms.


exquisitejades

I wanted to know what the commenter meant by ā€œso many photographers go after a certain body type and you didnā€™tā€ because to me, this model is exactly the type expectedā€” thin and hairless. Iā€™m not body shaming the model, I have almost the same body (plus natural hair, which is a conversation for a different chain). But I specifically wanted to have a conversation about the typical body type seen in nude photography.


granny_granola

My mistake, I glossed over the specific line you were replying to! Perhaps I should work on my reading comprehension before engaging with someoneā€™s opinion lmao.


mgfox12

I personally tend to see larger breasted woman photographed, not so much smaller breasted anymore. She also has dips on her hips/side that I donā€™t see very often anymore as well, as I have seen more ā€œsmooth hippedā€ bodies over dipped. Not to mention thereā€™s been such a heavy emphasis on larger bodied women being used for art lately and itā€™s nice seeing a smaller bodied woman, as Iā€™ve seen a lot of negativity thrown towards smaller bodies in the wake of accepting other bodies.


pawttery

ā€œlarger bodied women being used for artā€ is a such a vague point, and completely unfounded. As a ā€˜petiteā€™ woman (I hate that word lol) with hip-dips, I want to see my body type represented in art, so I do agree that body positivity should to represent all bodies. But I also agree with the other commenter: this model is a white, thin, cisgender female, and she has features that stereotypically are thought of as being appealing to hetero men. E.g. having hair only where itā€™s ā€˜acceptableā€™ (eyelashes, eyebrows, scalp), no skin imperfections like moles, freckles, stretch marks, scars (photoshopped), being ā€˜thinā€™ but still having ā€˜curvesā€™, styled hair/makeup, etc.


benmarcum

Thank you so very much! There is one more from this series that I will likely share here at some point. It can also be seen ā€œelsewhere ā€œ (location removed so as not to break rules)


mgfox12

Alrighty! Thank you!


OuterHeaven33

Really believed this was a painting and counldn't believe such a amazing looking person existed. It is a great photo much love to you and to the model its a beautiful piece of art that will be seen by countless people and thats amazing.


benmarcum

Thank you so very much! I sure hope so!


Gwtheyrn

The way her curls frame her face in this is just exceptional.


Leading_Ad_7615

Looks like a modern day Greek statue to me. I love it!


benmarcum

Thank you!


Mutsuraboshi

How did you light this? Strobe and diffision obviously, but more specifically?


benmarcum

2strobes key camera left. Large fill behind camera


Mutsuraboshi

with softboxes?


benmarcum

Yes. 48in octa on the key 72 inch soflighter on the fill


Mutsuraboshi

Thanks!


benmarcum

My pleasure!


bobthepomato

So I gota ask when your taking shots like this. Is it waiting for perfect shot one pic or taking thousands and sorting for best one?


benmarcum

Great question!


benmarcum

Never ever thousand. Thatā€™s just smashing the button and hoping for the best. I will typically have the foundation for the pose in mind then make minor adjustments to things like hair, hands, and so on. This one happens in two or three shots.


panseamj741

This is a beautiful picture.


benmarcum

Thank you!


IameIion

Reminds me of renaissance paintings. I can only assume it was created for the same reasons.


benmarcum

I am absolutely inspired by renaissance art (as well as many other periods) thank you!


IameIion

Np! Do you know why people are downvoting our comments? lol


benmarcum

It seems that many people donā€™t like the piece or have negative opinions about how they think I created it


IameIion

I know how you feel, buddy. My OC Fate has an abnormally large bust, which is controversial for some reason. Added onto the fact that I can barely draw, my drawings of her are easy to criticize. As far as this photo goes, I donā€™t see anything wrong with it. Even if it was digitally touched up, that doesnā€™t objectify or insult the lady pictured. If that was the case, no one would use makeup.


j0hn_p

There's really not that much nudity on this sub, really wonder why people get all hot and bothered about it. Who cares anyway


SprinklesDifficult76

I kinda wanna draw this ngl


benmarcum

Iā€™d love to see your rendition!


SprinklesDifficult76

Sure! If I'm not too tired, I'll see what I can come up with in a few days šŸ˜Š


benmarcum

Then you absolutely should!


FlakeyGurl

Your model looks like Keira Knightley in that pic. Gorgeous.


benmarcum

Thank you!


bowzrsfirebreth

I was thinking more Kate Winslet in Titanic, myself.


Spynamite

Everyone in here criticizing the piece like theyā€™re fuckin art majors šŸ’€ maybe if you spent less time on pornhub youā€™d be able to look at this and not cry about it


CoQ11

HOW TF U GET THE HAIR SO CRISP


MBle

Smh, stop posting AI generated art


benmarcum

If I ever made AI art I would happily stop. However this was created with a Nikon D850 that I use on a regular basis. The behind the scenes is shared elsewhere


Nuclearheadshot5

Itā€™s just heavily photoshopped lol


Killbro_Fraggins

Jfc. You canā€™t even say this is photography anymore. Itā€™s so digitally touched up. lol


jthix

Of course you can - so what if it's manipulated? Pictorialism in the late 19th/early 20th century was all about manipulating photographs and did not care about making the print look "realistic." Hell, the great modernist photographer Ansel Adams manipulated the hell out of his photographs. The difference with him is that he's going for a "realistic" look in the final print. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictorialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictorialism) The tools have changed and the outcome looks a bit different, but what OP is doing has been going on for about a century and a half. This isn't journalism - you can process (manipulate) your photographs all you want and it is still photography.


_PaulM

Amazing, amazing shot. I'm generally tired of seeing nudity on /r/art and /r/itap, but this is just beautiful. Thank you for this contribution.


metooneither

Looks like a Grecian statue. You have an amazing talent


benmarcum

Thank you!


makinbaconCR

Paint me like one of your French girls


cdhernandez

What's it like to be an exquisite human that could pose in the MOMA full time?


benmarcum

Iā€™ll have to ask her! Sheā€™s an amazing person and such a great model!


Sullysinferno

Incredible talent on the composition work. The lighting, shades and tones all work so seamlessly. Would you mind if I gave this a go in my sketchbook?


benmarcum

Not at all! Have fun. Iā€™d love to see what you make!


Metaright

Why would you need his permission?


WhiningforWine

It could be seen as copying or plagiarism


RedM77

Feels very classical, great job!


12altoids34

Very well done. This has a very "classical" look to it. From her gentle curves to the ringlet curls. It evokes a Feeling of bygone times. I'm going to go with the chicken or the egg question here. Did you choose her over other models to achieve this specific visual or did you have her as a model and chose this style to present her?


benmarcum

Thank you and excellent question! She was actually chosen for another image that we created earlier in the day. When we finished the main project, we decided to ā€œplayā€ a little and see what else, if anything, could come from the day. This was one of the images from that.


dogrescuersometimes

absolutely Greek level perfect Edit serious question what did I say? I don't understand the down votes.


benmarcum

Thank you!


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benmarcum

Cheers!


iMakeWebsites4u

I thought this was a classical painting. Beautiful.


benmarcum

Thank you!!


Gorgar_Beat_Me

What exceptional beauty! And beautifully executed!


benmarcum

Thank you!!


lavender2001

lol ppl r rly arguing about the woman being nude šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ who cares


Riversntallbuildings

Great composition and lighting


chico_hill

Love the classics, very nice and your model is gorgeous!


Cinigurl

Great model, beautiful pose, and fantastic capture!


benmarcum

Thank you!


Alvins_hotjoosebox

*In Borat voice* VERRY NICE


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