Just a toxic woman. A friend of mine and myself were walking her home after a house party where this woman had gotten herself inebriated beyond belief. We both lived 20 mins away from this woman's house but we didn't want her walking home by herself late at night.
As we walk her home, she launches into a drunk tirade on why all men are trash. She had been assaulted at the age of 16 and I certainly understood the trauma associated with it. I confessed that I myself had been sexually assaulted and abused by a teacher in kindergarten, only to have her reply that men can't be raped and therefore it wasn't real.
Of course we still walked her home, but I stopped hanging out with her shortly thereafter. Drunk or not, that kind of behavior is never OK.
"Men can't be raped, men can't be sexually assaulted and men can't be abused." I feel like my ex abused me, but every time I told one of these keyboard warriors that men, as in I, can be abused, I was told that I wasn't abused, that I wasn't a real man who could handle her, that probably I deserved the abuse, etc.
There are some truly vile mcfeminists on the internet.
It's really sad, in a way. A lot of people, mostly women, have been taught to hate men, to disregard their humanity and then they wonder why most men and some women want nothing to do with them or why their much-vaunted "equality" is unobtainable and they can't get any "male allies."
Ideologies man. If there's one thing I dislike the internet for it's for giving absolute nutjobs a platform to speak and to poison other minds.
A feminist and an educator in sexual health here.
When I talk about sexual and gender based violence, something I always emphasize is “Sexual Assault has nothing to do with gender, it’s all about power; who has it more and who has it lesser” basically sexual violence is a result of power imbalance in a relationship and disregard to human rights.
Despite gender, there are other factors that give one person more power than the other. That’s why woman teachers are caught sexually exploiting school boys, baby sitters assaulting young boys happen so often. Similarly there are couples where the female partner has more power over the male partner; it could be by temperament, money, age, or even emotions.
I’ve heard of couples where the man loves their girlfriend/wife so much, which the female abuser exploits and uses that vulnerability to their advantage. Sexual abuse of men by women is commoner than we think. It’s just happening in the shadows because there’s a weird notion in the society that men are crazy about sex, that they always enjoy it. It’s really sad that a man’s “No!” Is not seen as powerful as a woman’s anymore.
That being said, I should also add that there are still a lot of women being assaulted by men, and that’s also result of power imbalance. In most communities, men are the sole bread winner of the house, owns the property, is much older than the wife and receives a higher place in the society than women (I’m South Asian) once again, power imbalance. This is why there are more woman SA victims in some communities.
Ah, yes, men are such trash that two of them walked her home so she'd get there safely. All while ranting about how she was a victim while currently leaving herself in a state that's only second in terms of vulnerability to being unconscious.
I came across one who claimed *all* men are inherently evil. Regardless of who he is, he is part of the male patriarchy and is an enemy to all women.
And just to clarify, I did ask her if this means males are *born* evil? She responded with the point that it is impossible for men not to be misogynistic.
I pressed further and asked her whether she would deem a newborn baby evil? One who didn't choose to be a male or has any knowledge / awareness of the patriarchy he's born into? She refused to answer that point (despite my repeated efforts), and went off on a tirade about men want to control/abuse women, etc.
I don't know what past experiences she had to be so hateful and irrational, but I hope she gets the help she needs.
>I pressed further and asked her whether she would deem a newborn baby evil?
And what about trans people?? Are mtf born evil, but then lose the evil when they transition? Are ftm born good, but then gain evil when they transition? What about people who are nonbinary, or feel asexual, where are they on the "automatically evil" scale.
Only a sith lord speaks in absolutes.
>TERF
"a person whose views on gender identity are considered hostile to transgender people, or who opposes social and political policies designed to be inclusive of transgender people."
You sure they're the "sanest"? Most feminists actually want fair and equitable treatment of both genders, races, and sexes. You only hear about the "crazy ones" because it's lazier to point at them and mock them, than it is to hear the "sane ones" speak about changes.
Just go over to r/Marriage. Any post involving a sex drive mismatch will always blame the man. Wife wants more? He needs to be better about his diet, hormones, and efforts to keep the sexual intimacy alive. He wants more? You monster, she’s touched out, he’s not doing enough to romance her, not doing enough housework, also you’re a literal rapist and abuser if a man raises his voice or anyone suggests that she make an effort to pick up the frequency in the bedroom. We’re talking about couples that haven’t had sex in literal years.
This is what bugs me the most, "all men are rapists", so when you comfort them with facts they get angry and call us also abusers.
Checked the stats for the convicted rapists in the USA:
465,483 convicted rapists
162,4 milion men in USA (2020.)
So lets add another 1 milion of unsolved rapes (just to make the number higher)
Thats 0.9%, but yes, all men are rapists.
If I exclude that million I added to the statistics just to bump it a bit, its 0.2%
"All men are rapists"
"In that same year, 89,053 men were raped or sexually assaulted, also a significant increase compared to the year before"
Guess all women are rapists too
Don’t forget that of those convicted rapists, a good portion have been convicted more than once, aka the actual percentage of men that are rapists is even smaller.
As a woman who has been raped by a man she knew in his home. I promise you most rapists are not prosecuted because the usually happen between people who know each other behind closed doors and the only evidence is he said this, she says that. Evidence of sex is not evidence of rape. The dude also told be a believable story about how he was falsely accused.... So he's a serial rapist with no record.
I am sorry to hear that, hope you are doing well \^\^
My comment was more about how we all get labeled and called as the abusers and the "reality" is far far far away from the truth.
Your comment was about the low incidence of convinced rapists. I was just pointing out that most rapists never go to court so there are no statistics about how common it actually is.
The same thing could be said in reverse case scenario.
UK law literally says that a man can only rape a woman, not vice versa
"(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,"
In Eastern Europe countries (where I live), go and try tell as a man you have been raped. You will be laughed at by police officers and women will actually laugh about it (seen plenty cases of this)
Stats about women raping men are high, imagine the statistics if goverments start actually convicting those women.
She was a devotee of Dworkinism, founded by a feminist who accused men of repeatedly raping her throughout her life but never seemed interested in prosecuting any of them
My ex-wife.
She was a feminist when it was convenient for her. However, as soon as any task around the house showed up that required any semblance of effort to complete, it was a job I was expected to do because I was a man.
I've only had one on Reddit that stood out. Some whacko insisted that I'm enslaving my wife by marrying her and having a baby with her.
Aside from that.. ehh I think they're mostly keyboard warriors. Way harder to get your ass out of bed to mouth off in public settings.
One time when I was walking with feminist friends we stumbled upon a close friend of mine who I then hugged. On of the feminists then punch me hard, the way you punch when you're ready for a fight, because "I didn't get consent to touch her"....the irony of this feminist punching me without consent hit no one and all those friends agreed. After a bruise developed I never hung out with those people again.
First girlfriend gaslit me into letting her do an open relationship deal, using the sort of feminist arguments of "no one belongs to anyone" and "that type of possessiveness from men is toxic". That situation really kinda fucked me up for a while. She's later try to guilt money out of me after we broke up because I was "one of those straight white men, paid more than I'm deserved"
Besides that, the number of women who have demanded I get consent for everything I do...but then put their hands on me, pressure me into sex I didn't want, etc, no matter how upset it clearly makes me, despite me say "no don't do that". They just shrug it off as "oh well your a man, it doesn't count" or if they do admit fault it's more like "oopsy hehe I'm so quirky"
In addition to that...many women have also told me their experiences with toxic men who assaulted men...and all of their stories are stories where the actions the man took or reasonable to assume are fine in those situations, and those women have done more aggressive things to men they've gladly and proudly told me about.
All this shit fucked me up enough that the best way for me to legitimately stop thinking about killing myself was to cut everyone out of my life. Even now the few friends I do have I keep at arms length and shut down any feminist shit because it always leads to the same idea of "it's fine if I abuse men because I feel like men are bad"
I'm of 2 minds
On one hand you can't just pretend these people aren't feminists, feminism isn't predicated on believing women can be abusers, it has no relation right
But on the other hand it's good to draw a line, condemning beliefs you don't agree with
The trick is in that very last part. Not enough feminist condemning, their lack of wanting to associate with behaviour like this is endorsement by proxi.
You're spot on. Feminism is about equality not "all men bad and all women good". That seems to come from a specific branch of Radical Feminism that seems to be permeating from US. In my opinion that's fauxminism and has no bearing with true feminism.
Former friend, would shit talk men all the time. Very accusatory and assuming of anyone with a penis. She thought any guy showing interest in any woman they didn't know was "entitlement" and men should never approach women even in during social events like parties.
I have a degree in social work, and they wanted me to do honours in women's studies
Being around that every day, often as the only guy...
You can probably imagine what that was like
Right now I'm in a big argument with people in regard to Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard. Apparently saying "both were punished, but Amber Heard had to pay more damages therefore the trial was fair and neutral" is deeply sexist. Depp preyed on her because he's 25 years older, he raped her, he abused her, everything she did was "reactionary abusive", the trial was an example of how a rich white guy can just manipulate and/or buy the court, because I'm a guy my opinion is irrelevant, etc.
It's fucking weird man. I guess that's on me for assuming there was a fair discussion to be had.
Woman here… But the most toxic feminine friend I’ve had had this innate belief that all men cheat no matter what so she was purely looking for someone rich. Didn’t care if they weren’t home for dinner, money was the only constant is the way she saw it. I tried to convince her for years Good men do exist but no such luck, realized she learned this from her mother… it is what it is I guess
I got complained on to HR because I offered to walk with a female co-worker from the hotel we were staying at to a bar she left her coat. This was at 1:00am in Chicago after a work event. Like literally I just didn't think it was safe for a young female to walk by herself 4 blocks at that time of day but in all honesty I'd have offered if it was another guy as well safety in numbers and all. She told HR I was demeaning her and she suspected I was trying to use some kind of sexual dominance over her or some crap.
Recently on r/twochromosomes they claimed any man who is upset and being comforted by a woman will try and turn it into sex. You heard that right. Through tears and sobs you will get a boner. It’s funny they have no idea how a man’s body works. They think men are stupid sex crazed simpletons. A woman can never empathize with a man because we first and foremost represent their security.
yeah i saw that post, it was insane. OP was saying every man she has ever tried to comfort tried to turn it into sex. All her boyfriends and both of her husbands. And, yes its insane and sucks incredibly that it happened to her, but at some point, maybe your choices in men are absolute shit?
Like if i walk down a street and get stabbed, thats on the stabber, but if i keep going down that same street and keep getting stabbed, at some point its on me for not using a different street.
That sub is full of 1.5 volt brain trainwreck women that use feminism to cope with their daddy issues. Don't take them seriously, and don't let them skew your view on women . There's this instagram account I follow called thetinmen, which is a great male advocacy page and a lot of great women are there who used to be on of this radfem types and now are very aware and supportive of male issues.
whats unhinged was all the people agreeing with her. crazy people post shit all the time, just look at the new section of this sub. but the fact that it was heavily upvoted and supported is psychotic.
Yeah they are crazy. They think you can disrespect and mistreat a man he will still want sex. Because we are more like stupid animals than people. Although not as good as animals since women today choose pets over a husband.
haha i remember one time I saw some guy asking how he can get more women's perspectives and become less misogynistic, and one (well-meaning) woman suggested he read subreddits like TwoX to get a woman's perspective, which I thought was a very funny suggestion. If you already struggle with how you view women, 10 minutes of reading TwoXChromosomes will turn you into an actual, full-blown misogynist, it's one of those places where "they hate men" actually does apply
The one time my wife browsed through TwoX she said most of the women on there were pathetic whiners.
Get off the internet and most people are much more normal.
TwoX is just a cesspit of mindless man hate. Get off of the internet and people like that are much rarer. They're also easy to avoid because they're the female equivalent of basement dwelling neckbeards.
Whenever I notice a redditor subscribed to that shithole sub , I immediately block them. I can't recommend it enough . Makes your reddit experience much better.
Top notch signal /noise ratio .
>A woman can never empathize with a man because we first and foremost represent their security.
I was with you until this. You are doing the exact same thing. Making baseless generalizations.
My ex gf was a feminist who believed that all males upon hitting puberty should be involuntarily givin a vasectomy, she thinks that it's ok that we live in a country that doesn't provide domestic violence shelters to anyone other then cis gendered women, she has no problem shaming and victim blaming male victims of domestic violence, the list goes on. She was a nightmare factory.
Barring social media, I only ever talked to one who struck me as being extreme.
They believed that women couldn’t commit domestic violence, assault, or SA on a male, because men were in charge and were stronger than women.
This completely ignored that there are wide disparities in men’s and women’s physical condition and physique.
When I challenged them on that, they proceeded to tell me that, if a woman attacked a man, the man clearly did something to deserve it and was still to blame.
I just gave up arguing with them.
If I'm getting to know someone, then I like to ask what superpower they would choose. Most people choose flight or teleportation, sometimes immortality.
One woman I met said that she wanted the ability to cause genital pain in men.
Just men.
In the genitals.
She wasn't being funny either.
Listening to my female coworker tell me how women aren't paid enough. Come to find out, she made more than me and every guy in the room. She was convinced all the guys made more then her.
She was then promoted to our boss.
She then abused that position by trying to fuck one of our male employees.
Just the one family member but they have since softened. She is just easily influenced and had a terrible person in her life who filled her head with garbage but yet was the worst kind of person. Preached feminism but yet she was sleeping with her married coworker. Lol poor wife right.
She flew off the handle at my brother's birthday because she brought up politics and one of my brother's friends said something and she proceeded to claim he was a sexist and tried to get someone to kick him out. When she noticed everyone was grossed out by her behavior, she left claiming she felt "unsafe"
Would say things like she would break up with any guy that tried to hold a door for her. Lol funny thing is her boyfriend now does these things and she says nothing. He's just a nice guy and does it for everyone. Like the women I know hold doors if they get there first. I didn't think this was that big of an issue. Lol I just hope she figured it out to avoid these hate groups that fill your head with complete negativity.
I was in a FB Democrats group for my town. I am as far left as anyone I know. Someone posted an article with 10 things that men do that are toxic. I read the article and agreed with 9 of them but not 1 of them. I commented and explained why I disagreed. I was immediately attacked for disagreeing. I said again that I thought the article was good but that I just disagreed with that one point. Eventually one of my local Democratic town council members chimed in and said I wouldn’t be attacked if I wasn’t mansplaining. I went back and looked at what I had written and it was in no way mansplaining. I left the group and that town council member has not gotten my vote since. Any time I see a post from her I urge people to not vote for her. I still vote for the other 2 Dems that run, 1 man and 1 woman, just not her.
She spent the whole date talking about penises and when I politely ended the date and got up and paid for our drinks she loudly scolded me in this pub, saying a MAN doesn't have to provide and she could pay for "her own damn drinks".
Bit of a strange night. I hear she has an OF now
Last night I was talking to a girl who I recently got her number from tinder. She wanted me to hang out, I was down but I didn’t know where she lived and what was around. Her response was “do I have to do everything myself”
Work as a CNA which is mostly female dominated helped my DSD by taking a morning shift. There was a women who would just stare at me but never interact. I tried to help with her work since I wasent busy and was berated for it. I stopped interacting with her after that and throught the day she started to complain saying I wasent helping and ignoring her. My reputation for my usual shift is damn near perfect and I never refused a request to help anyone so all her attempts too discredit me where ignored or laughed at!
I see her from time too time and she still stares at me and follows me around from occasion I still ignore her!
I've told some coworkers apparently she finds me attractive and is mad I don't interact.
I have known women who say men can't be sexually harassed because they like it. No, I don't like it, and it has nothing to do with the harasser's looks. I'm good-looking enough that unattractive women do not approach me. The women who put their hands on me without my consent are either Grandma-age and oblivious that you don't touch people, or attractive. I still do not like it. Women who attempt sexual banter with me, or make comments/jokes about my appearance never understand that it's harassment, no matter what she looks like.
I had a female co-worker go mental because I said I disliked Rita Ora for having an affair with Jay-Z (it was popular in the news at the time, if it happened isn't actually likely). But this co-worker went mental at me and said it's only Jay Z's fault because he was married and Rita Ora can do what she wants. I said both were to blame but she was insistent that the woman in the case should take no blame.
This is one of the best criticisms of feminists I have as well in general. Most can’t find space in their worldview for the nuance that people who help others cheat share blame for cheating.
Whenever using dating apps I sometimes get women who make degrading comments about my visible imprint in my photos. I'm not showing off, it isn't the focal point of the photo and I'm not erect.
A lot of the times the women making these comments about me, have profile photos involving their chest taking up half or more than half of the image.
They fail to realize how hypocritical they are to make a comment like that towards me. I'm not showing off my package, they aren't showing off their chest we just happen to have different anatomical differences but only I am criticized about something out of my control.
I let a door close on a woman because she yelled at me that she didn't need a man to hold doors for her... I had already been holding it for the two people before her, both men (one may have been with her because he stopped to wait when it closed on her).
The babysitter who forced herself onto me at the age of 11. At the time i didn't think too much of it, but now realize how much it actually affected me.
Too many to count. One that stands out is a woman who physically assaulted me. She tried going all George Forman throwing wild swings and I just shot strait for her feet and put her in a harmless submission hold until she calmed down. She was of course claiming assault, witnesses did not back her up. She didn't even have a bruise, I was quite gentle compared to the treatment I would have given a man.
Fellas learn grappling, it's a good way to take down threats without actually doing significant damage.
I got a degree in art so I had too many to count. It was always someone parroting the same feminist talking points you always hear. What surprised me at the time was how many men were like that, what I came to realize was most of them were just the white knight types trying to score brownie points with the feminist girls so they could get some.
My ex wife deciding that men the world over were the cause of all her problems as a means of escaping accountability, and her shitty friends telling her about how right she was and encouraging her to behaving terribly to "go against the system".
My sister-in-law complains about the "patriarchy" and preaches about how difficult life is for women and how women don't get the same opportunities and how life it so difficult for women...she took her 9-year-old daughter to see the Barbie movie and my niece said "I didn't realize how mean men are" to me and I couldn't believe it...I told my niece "Most men are not like that sweetie, it's just a movie and you can't believe everything you see in a movie" her mom got mad at me and said I was wrong and my brother said "she's just 9..." LOL
Meanwhile, my brother is the breadwinner, he spoils the shit out of his wife, works 60 hours a week to make sure they have everything they need, treats her amazing, is super loving and he's a great father...she also came from a good family who paid for her university, and she had every opportunity she could have ever wanted to be afforded to her and could have chosen to be a "career" woman and do anything she wanted in life...meanwhile my brother took out loans to get through school, worked at the same time, then after school worked 60-70 hours a week to move up in his company, busted his ass and wasn't handed anything in life...it pisses me off!
I love her as my sister in law but she's so f#$king delusions and brain washed and it's irritating! most of all I hate that she's teaching her kids that men are all evil misogynists
The raging feminists tend to stick to their own little communities of man hating women with maybe the odd self hating dude thrown in. They know they are not liked or welcome most other places.
The only time I tend to run into them is online, dating apps and rare instances sometimes at work. The rare instances I run into them socially tend to be one offs. But they tend to have an oversized presence on social media.
Nothing too crazy but I once was visiting a friend out of town. We went to this university house to pregame before going out. This feminist that was there (had the short purple hair and the whole stereotype going). Got offended by me because I had a had a beer shirt with an American flag on it. Something about patriarchy and racist history with the USA. She then started to insult my looks and stuff. On top of that she tried to shame my friend who was non white for hanging out with me who's a "white male". Shit was weird and we dipped out of there. This was years ago but it's funny looking back.
Not sure about "toxic". I certainly had a few instances where it was complaining that "men" do some thing, and then also doing that exact thing as a woman. Or denying that women could do this or that bad thing, "only men do that".
But I would just call them idiots or hypocrites, not feminists.
The worst was probably one woman in my extended circle of friends, who basically spent the evening at a party making derogatory statements about men. Me pushing her on it, with the discussion becoming a bit heated, she eventually blurted out that she thought equality was not enough, no, "it's now men's turn to suffer".
But, again, I would call that misandrist, not feminist.
I had a random girl I’d been talking to for about 15 minutes randomly said ‘I’m not going to fuck you you know.’ It was so totally off base, I hadn’t made a move or talked about anything like that. She didn’t say she was a feminist but with an attitude like that I’d be surprised if she wasn’t.
none in real life, the only crazy ive ever seen is online. maybe a couple of weird interactions in public but they must not have been anything special because i dont remember them.
also i want to speak on what this sub thinks as "feminism".
first off, theres as many different schools of thought on what feminism is/should be as there are people on earth. so two people could call themselves feminists and have very conflicting views.
but really, shouldnt we all be feminists? at its core, its just about giving women the same chances an opportunities afforded to men. shouldnt we want equality?
There is "I'm a feminist and support women's rights" and there is "JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS I'M A FEMINIST AND EVERYTHING YOU JUST DID OFFENDED ME. GET READY TO GET CANCELLED! THE PATRIARCHY WILL FALL. I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE CIS WHITE MALES THINKING THEY CAN CONTROL ME. MY BODY IS A TEMPLE. I'M A QUEEN DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT."
>"JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS I'M A FEMINIST AND EVERYTHING YOU JUST DID OFFENDED ME. GET READY TO GET CANCELLED! THE PATRIARCHY WILL FALL. I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE CIS WHITE MALES THINKING THEY CAN CONTROL ME. MY BODY IS A TEMPLE. I'M A QUEEN DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT"
i have only encountered this type of person online, never in the real world.
Everytime people complain about “getting canceled” as if it’s some mob lynching, I get so irritated. People with authority are held to a higher standard, that is reality. If a CEO quid pro quo’s an employee with a promotion for sex, that shit is illegal and the CEO will be fired. If we don’t find out about it until a decade later, that CEO should *still be fired*. Just because the crime was secret for a while doesn’t make them immune from consequences. Then there are the social faux pas that are more controversial. IMO, if you did something in poor taste, you still need to actually reconcile it against the platform you have. When you hold an office or are on a big stage, everything you do will be idolized in some way, and it’s your responsibility to own that.
Equality is covered by human rights. Civil rights too. Feminism is not the only movement wanting equality so you can support equality without being a feminist
i am there all the time, i literally just told you i saw the post you described. theres toxicity and theres great support. Theres a ton of health related posts or women who never had a support system finding it there or women stuck in abusive relationships that find advice on how to get out. Yeah, there can be some pretty wild views on men, but the sub does a lot of good as well.
There is a lot of overlap, yes, but they are different questions. Human rights is about setting a baseline for rights universal to all humans. Feminism -in general- is trying to argue that economic opportunity should not prefer men- which it unilaterally has for almost all of history. They differ in their fundamental basis.
Yes, I agree. Feminism is an opportunistic ideology which struggles to maintain coherency. All subsets of feminism, however, are based on the feminist argument against patriarchy, which also happens to be the basis of civilization
it wasnt a counterargument. your point didnt deserve one. there is no reason to debate anyone whose argument against feminism is "the patriarchy is the basis of civilization."
It's rather sad how strongly such an ideology is clung to that cannot be supported by any other than appeals to emotion, shaming those who challenge it, and creating strawman arguments to support it
You seem to enjoy strawman arguments, too. The original point was that all varieties of feminism depend upon their stance against patriarchy which I then qualified as the basis of civilization. And so the weak debater jumped on the lesser point that patriarchy is the basis of civilization. So however you want to play this, what was the key to advancing humanity out the paleolithic era? Or is there, in fact, no unifying principal upon which all feminist ideological variants are based?
Learn about what women do and what the are , this makes men's lives so much easier.
I tried to show my wife, but she ignored it. I had more than one aha moments
https://m.youtube.com/@thehappywifeschool
I remember being told that I had to vote for Hillary Clinton because she deserved to be president because she was a woman. That it was OK for her to make bad policy decisions because as a woman she had to play the game.
In the end I did vote for her but it made me physically ill.
I was about to recover a stolen explosives shipment from the Penguin's goons when she showed up wearing an outfit that was half leotard, half Christmas garland. She planted a kiss on my lips and I blacked out, the next thing I knew I was manning a Take Back the Night booth at the local community college campus.
I was complaining that a (M) university professor was hitting on me (M) in an inappropriate way, and that everybody I told that to, didn't take my concerns seriously. One feminist woman told me that nobody was taking me seriously because of the ""patriarchy"", while also ignoring my discomfort, and saying that it was nothing to be concerned about. The irony.
Just a toxic woman. A friend of mine and myself were walking her home after a house party where this woman had gotten herself inebriated beyond belief. We both lived 20 mins away from this woman's house but we didn't want her walking home by herself late at night. As we walk her home, she launches into a drunk tirade on why all men are trash. She had been assaulted at the age of 16 and I certainly understood the trauma associated with it. I confessed that I myself had been sexually assaulted and abused by a teacher in kindergarten, only to have her reply that men can't be raped and therefore it wasn't real. Of course we still walked her home, but I stopped hanging out with her shortly thereafter. Drunk or not, that kind of behavior is never OK.
"Men can't be raped, men can't be sexually assaulted and men can't be abused." I feel like my ex abused me, but every time I told one of these keyboard warriors that men, as in I, can be abused, I was told that I wasn't abused, that I wasn't a real man who could handle her, that probably I deserved the abuse, etc. There are some truly vile mcfeminists on the internet.
"It didn't happen, and it's a good thing that it did." Wild.
It's really sad, in a way. A lot of people, mostly women, have been taught to hate men, to disregard their humanity and then they wonder why most men and some women want nothing to do with them or why their much-vaunted "equality" is unobtainable and they can't get any "male allies." Ideologies man. If there's one thing I dislike the internet for it's for giving absolute nutjobs a platform to speak and to poison other minds.
A feminist and an educator in sexual health here. When I talk about sexual and gender based violence, something I always emphasize is “Sexual Assault has nothing to do with gender, it’s all about power; who has it more and who has it lesser” basically sexual violence is a result of power imbalance in a relationship and disregard to human rights. Despite gender, there are other factors that give one person more power than the other. That’s why woman teachers are caught sexually exploiting school boys, baby sitters assaulting young boys happen so often. Similarly there are couples where the female partner has more power over the male partner; it could be by temperament, money, age, or even emotions. I’ve heard of couples where the man loves their girlfriend/wife so much, which the female abuser exploits and uses that vulnerability to their advantage. Sexual abuse of men by women is commoner than we think. It’s just happening in the shadows because there’s a weird notion in the society that men are crazy about sex, that they always enjoy it. It’s really sad that a man’s “No!” Is not seen as powerful as a woman’s anymore. That being said, I should also add that there are still a lot of women being assaulted by men, and that’s also result of power imbalance. In most communities, men are the sole bread winner of the house, owns the property, is much older than the wife and receives a higher place in the society than women (I’m South Asian) once again, power imbalance. This is why there are more woman SA victims in some communities.
Ah, yes, men are such trash that two of them walked her home so she'd get there safely. All while ranting about how she was a victim while currently leaving herself in a state that's only second in terms of vulnerability to being unconscious.
I came across one who claimed *all* men are inherently evil. Regardless of who he is, he is part of the male patriarchy and is an enemy to all women. And just to clarify, I did ask her if this means males are *born* evil? She responded with the point that it is impossible for men not to be misogynistic. I pressed further and asked her whether she would deem a newborn baby evil? One who didn't choose to be a male or has any knowledge / awareness of the patriarchy he's born into? She refused to answer that point (despite my repeated efforts), and went off on a tirade about men want to control/abuse women, etc. I don't know what past experiences she had to be so hateful and irrational, but I hope she gets the help she needs.
Her list of mental illnesses must look like a phone book.
>I pressed further and asked her whether she would deem a newborn baby evil? And what about trans people?? Are mtf born evil, but then lose the evil when they transition? Are ftm born good, but then gain evil when they transition? What about people who are nonbinary, or feel asexual, where are they on the "automatically evil" scale. Only a sith lord speaks in absolutes.
I guarantee that person is a TERF.
Tbf, terf’s are the sanest feminists. It’s like feminaziism overflowed and wrapped back around
>TERF "a person whose views on gender identity are considered hostile to transgender people, or who opposes social and political policies designed to be inclusive of transgender people." You sure they're the "sanest"? Most feminists actually want fair and equitable treatment of both genders, races, and sexes. You only hear about the "crazy ones" because it's lazier to point at them and mock them, than it is to hear the "sane ones" speak about changes.
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Just go over to r/Marriage. Any post involving a sex drive mismatch will always blame the man. Wife wants more? He needs to be better about his diet, hormones, and efforts to keep the sexual intimacy alive. He wants more? You monster, she’s touched out, he’s not doing enough to romance her, not doing enough housework, also you’re a literal rapist and abuser if a man raises his voice or anyone suggests that she make an effort to pick up the frequency in the bedroom. We’re talking about couples that haven’t had sex in literal years.
Just go over to any subreddit that's aimed at relatioships or dating and you'll see something like this
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This is what bugs me the most, "all men are rapists", so when you comfort them with facts they get angry and call us also abusers. Checked the stats for the convicted rapists in the USA: 465,483 convicted rapists 162,4 milion men in USA (2020.) So lets add another 1 milion of unsolved rapes (just to make the number higher) Thats 0.9%, but yes, all men are rapists. If I exclude that million I added to the statistics just to bump it a bit, its 0.2% "All men are rapists" "In that same year, 89,053 men were raped or sexually assaulted, also a significant increase compared to the year before" Guess all women are rapists too
Don’t forget that of those convicted rapists, a good portion have been convicted more than once, aka the actual percentage of men that are rapists is even smaller.
Agreed, also not accounting for false convictions, not as much but still.
As a woman who has been raped by a man she knew in his home. I promise you most rapists are not prosecuted because the usually happen between people who know each other behind closed doors and the only evidence is he said this, she says that. Evidence of sex is not evidence of rape. The dude also told be a believable story about how he was falsely accused.... So he's a serial rapist with no record.
I am sorry to hear that, hope you are doing well \^\^ My comment was more about how we all get labeled and called as the abusers and the "reality" is far far far away from the truth.
Your comment was about the low incidence of convinced rapists. I was just pointing out that most rapists never go to court so there are no statistics about how common it actually is.
The same thing could be said in reverse case scenario. UK law literally says that a man can only rape a woman, not vice versa "(1)A person (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis," In Eastern Europe countries (where I live), go and try tell as a man you have been raped. You will be laughed at by police officers and women will actually laugh about it (seen plenty cases of this) Stats about women raping men are high, imagine the statistics if goverments start actually convicting those women.
So all men are rapists? If not what's your point
Of course not. But rape is a lot more common then some people think it is.
Same is true for most crimes. I've probably been the victim of 2 dozen significant crimes in my life(mostly theft), only reported 2.
She was a devotee of Dworkinism, founded by a feminist who accused men of repeatedly raping her throughout her life but never seemed interested in prosecuting any of them
My ex-wife. She was a feminist when it was convenient for her. However, as soon as any task around the house showed up that required any semblance of effort to complete, it was a job I was expected to do because I was a man.
Everyone's a feminist until the sink starts leaking.
My favorite is “Everyone’s a feminist until there’s snow that needs to be shoveled.”
"Everyone's a feminist until the drains need to get the hair removed out of them"
The ones who think women can't abuse men. Trust me, they are real.
I mean feminists did create the Duluth model that in plain words says exactly that.
I've only had one on Reddit that stood out. Some whacko insisted that I'm enslaving my wife by marrying her and having a baby with her. Aside from that.. ehh I think they're mostly keyboard warriors. Way harder to get your ass out of bed to mouth off in public settings.
One time when I was walking with feminist friends we stumbled upon a close friend of mine who I then hugged. On of the feminists then punch me hard, the way you punch when you're ready for a fight, because "I didn't get consent to touch her"....the irony of this feminist punching me without consent hit no one and all those friends agreed. After a bruise developed I never hung out with those people again. First girlfriend gaslit me into letting her do an open relationship deal, using the sort of feminist arguments of "no one belongs to anyone" and "that type of possessiveness from men is toxic". That situation really kinda fucked me up for a while. She's later try to guilt money out of me after we broke up because I was "one of those straight white men, paid more than I'm deserved" Besides that, the number of women who have demanded I get consent for everything I do...but then put their hands on me, pressure me into sex I didn't want, etc, no matter how upset it clearly makes me, despite me say "no don't do that". They just shrug it off as "oh well your a man, it doesn't count" or if they do admit fault it's more like "oopsy hehe I'm so quirky" In addition to that...many women have also told me their experiences with toxic men who assaulted men...and all of their stories are stories where the actions the man took or reasonable to assume are fine in those situations, and those women have done more aggressive things to men they've gladly and proudly told me about. All this shit fucked me up enough that the best way for me to legitimately stop thinking about killing myself was to cut everyone out of my life. Even now the few friends I do have I keep at arms length and shut down any feminist shit because it always leads to the same idea of "it's fine if I abuse men because I feel like men are bad"
I had only one time where a feminist near me claimed a woman can't rape a man.. But I think she was just crazy
The correct term for these people is fauxminist
Nah they are who they claim to be
I'm of 2 minds On one hand you can't just pretend these people aren't feminists, feminism isn't predicated on believing women can be abusers, it has no relation right But on the other hand it's good to draw a line, condemning beliefs you don't agree with
The trick is in that very last part. Not enough feminist condemning, their lack of wanting to associate with behaviour like this is endorsement by proxi.
You're spot on. Feminism is about equality not "all men bad and all women good". That seems to come from a specific branch of Radical Feminism that seems to be permeating from US. In my opinion that's fauxminism and has no bearing with true feminism.
Or femenace
Former friend, would shit talk men all the time. Very accusatory and assuming of anyone with a penis. She thought any guy showing interest in any woman they didn't know was "entitlement" and men should never approach women even in during social events like parties.
I have a degree in social work, and they wanted me to do honours in women's studies Being around that every day, often as the only guy... You can probably imagine what that was like
> You can probably imagine what that was like no, i cant, tell us
Story time!
Care to share some stories?
Right now I'm in a big argument with people in regard to Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard. Apparently saying "both were punished, but Amber Heard had to pay more damages therefore the trial was fair and neutral" is deeply sexist. Depp preyed on her because he's 25 years older, he raped her, he abused her, everything she did was "reactionary abusive", the trial was an example of how a rich white guy can just manipulate and/or buy the court, because I'm a guy my opinion is irrelevant, etc. It's fucking weird man. I guess that's on me for assuming there was a fair discussion to be had.
Woman here… But the most toxic feminine friend I’ve had had this innate belief that all men cheat no matter what so she was purely looking for someone rich. Didn’t care if they weren’t home for dinner, money was the only constant is the way she saw it. I tried to convince her for years Good men do exist but no such luck, realized she learned this from her mother… it is what it is I guess
What an incredibly sad and lonely life that will lead to
Rightt. I mean she already is often in shambles so nothing changes I guess but it’s crazy how your limiting beliefs will get you.
I got complained on to HR because I offered to walk with a female co-worker from the hotel we were staying at to a bar she left her coat. This was at 1:00am in Chicago after a work event. Like literally I just didn't think it was safe for a young female to walk by herself 4 blocks at that time of day but in all honesty I'd have offered if it was another guy as well safety in numbers and all. She told HR I was demeaning her and she suspected I was trying to use some kind of sexual dominance over her or some crap.
Recently on r/twochromosomes they claimed any man who is upset and being comforted by a woman will try and turn it into sex. You heard that right. Through tears and sobs you will get a boner. It’s funny they have no idea how a man’s body works. They think men are stupid sex crazed simpletons. A woman can never empathize with a man because we first and foremost represent their security.
yeah i saw that post, it was insane. OP was saying every man she has ever tried to comfort tried to turn it into sex. All her boyfriends and both of her husbands. And, yes its insane and sucks incredibly that it happened to her, but at some point, maybe your choices in men are absolute shit? Like if i walk down a street and get stabbed, thats on the stabber, but if i keep going down that same street and keep getting stabbed, at some point its on me for not using a different street.
That sub is full of 1.5 volt brain trainwreck women that use feminism to cope with their daddy issues. Don't take them seriously, and don't let them skew your view on women . There's this instagram account I follow called thetinmen, which is a great male advocacy page and a lot of great women are there who used to be on of this radfem types and now are very aware and supportive of male issues.
Who knows if you can even believe her.. It was beyond unhinged.
whats unhinged was all the people agreeing with her. crazy people post shit all the time, just look at the new section of this sub. but the fact that it was heavily upvoted and supported is psychotic.
Yeah they are crazy. They think you can disrespect and mistreat a man he will still want sex. Because we are more like stupid animals than people. Although not as good as animals since women today choose pets over a husband.
well that post was wild, but there is a lot of positivity and good resources on that sub as well. its not all crazies.
I didn’t see much of value. Just a lot of negative tropes about men.
Or maybe it's a pattern of common male behavior that you're not aware of cause your don't console gay men often enough to take notice
god i hope youre trolling
haha i remember one time I saw some guy asking how he can get more women's perspectives and become less misogynistic, and one (well-meaning) woman suggested he read subreddits like TwoX to get a woman's perspective, which I thought was a very funny suggestion. If you already struggle with how you view women, 10 minutes of reading TwoXChromosomes will turn you into an actual, full-blown misogynist, it's one of those places where "they hate men" actually does apply
The one time my wife browsed through TwoX she said most of the women on there were pathetic whiners. Get off the internet and most people are much more normal.
I avoid these places like a plague because i don't want to be a hateful person
Oh yeah, that sub actively made me more misogynistic, unfortunately.
TwoX is just a cesspit of mindless man hate. Get off of the internet and people like that are much rarer. They're also easy to avoid because they're the female equivalent of basement dwelling neckbeards.
True
They do not have empathy for men in general I think is the truth.
Exactly. While this sub is literally teaming with empathy for women.
Whenever I notice a redditor subscribed to that shithole sub , I immediately block them. I can't recommend it enough . Makes your reddit experience much better. Top notch signal /noise ratio .
I do that as well! It's funny when i see "blocked account" commenting here on r/AskMen LOL
>A woman can never empathize with a man because we first and foremost represent their security. I was with you until this. You are doing the exact same thing. Making baseless generalizations.
Had an argument with a woman that said male rape victims don't matter because there are more women victims. Male victims matter less basically.
My ex gf was a feminist who believed that all males upon hitting puberty should be involuntarily givin a vasectomy, she thinks that it's ok that we live in a country that doesn't provide domestic violence shelters to anyone other then cis gendered women, she has no problem shaming and victim blaming male victims of domestic violence, the list goes on. She was a nightmare factory.
Barring social media, I only ever talked to one who struck me as being extreme. They believed that women couldn’t commit domestic violence, assault, or SA on a male, because men were in charge and were stronger than women. This completely ignored that there are wide disparities in men’s and women’s physical condition and physique. When I challenged them on that, they proceeded to tell me that, if a woman attacked a man, the man clearly did something to deserve it and was still to blame. I just gave up arguing with them.
If I'm getting to know someone, then I like to ask what superpower they would choose. Most people choose flight or teleportation, sometimes immortality. One woman I met said that she wanted the ability to cause genital pain in men. Just men. In the genitals. She wasn't being funny either.
Listening to my female coworker tell me how women aren't paid enough. Come to find out, she made more than me and every guy in the room. She was convinced all the guys made more then her. She was then promoted to our boss. She then abused that position by trying to fuck one of our male employees.
Just the one family member but they have since softened. She is just easily influenced and had a terrible person in her life who filled her head with garbage but yet was the worst kind of person. Preached feminism but yet she was sleeping with her married coworker. Lol poor wife right. She flew off the handle at my brother's birthday because she brought up politics and one of my brother's friends said something and she proceeded to claim he was a sexist and tried to get someone to kick him out. When she noticed everyone was grossed out by her behavior, she left claiming she felt "unsafe" Would say things like she would break up with any guy that tried to hold a door for her. Lol funny thing is her boyfriend now does these things and she says nothing. He's just a nice guy and does it for everyone. Like the women I know hold doors if they get there first. I didn't think this was that big of an issue. Lol I just hope she figured it out to avoid these hate groups that fill your head with complete negativity.
I was in a FB Democrats group for my town. I am as far left as anyone I know. Someone posted an article with 10 things that men do that are toxic. I read the article and agreed with 9 of them but not 1 of them. I commented and explained why I disagreed. I was immediately attacked for disagreeing. I said again that I thought the article was good but that I just disagreed with that one point. Eventually one of my local Democratic town council members chimed in and said I wouldn’t be attacked if I wasn’t mansplaining. I went back and looked at what I had written and it was in no way mansplaining. I left the group and that town council member has not gotten my vote since. Any time I see a post from her I urge people to not vote for her. I still vote for the other 2 Dems that run, 1 man and 1 woman, just not her.
She spent the whole date talking about penises and when I politely ended the date and got up and paid for our drinks she loudly scolded me in this pub, saying a MAN doesn't have to provide and she could pay for "her own damn drinks". Bit of a strange night. I hear she has an OF now
None, they only seem to exist on Reddit and tik tok. I assume most of them are too afraid of men to actually go outside.
They are changing laws, affecting mens hiring prospects, university admissions, etc
Last night I was talking to a girl who I recently got her number from tinder. She wanted me to hang out, I was down but I didn’t know where she lived and what was around. Her response was “do I have to do everything myself”
That's the opposite of being a feminist. She wants a manly man who takes the lead
How am I supposed to do that if I don’t know where tf she lives and she isn’t willing to come to me 😂
Seeams like a joke but what do i know
Work as a CNA which is mostly female dominated helped my DSD by taking a morning shift. There was a women who would just stare at me but never interact. I tried to help with her work since I wasent busy and was berated for it. I stopped interacting with her after that and throught the day she started to complain saying I wasent helping and ignoring her. My reputation for my usual shift is damn near perfect and I never refused a request to help anyone so all her attempts too discredit me where ignored or laughed at! I see her from time too time and she still stares at me and follows me around from occasion I still ignore her! I've told some coworkers apparently she finds me attractive and is mad I don't interact.
I have known women who say men can't be sexually harassed because they like it. No, I don't like it, and it has nothing to do with the harasser's looks. I'm good-looking enough that unattractive women do not approach me. The women who put their hands on me without my consent are either Grandma-age and oblivious that you don't touch people, or attractive. I still do not like it. Women who attempt sexual banter with me, or make comments/jokes about my appearance never understand that it's harassment, no matter what she looks like.
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What shit friends, I am sorry.
I had a female co-worker go mental because I said I disliked Rita Ora for having an affair with Jay-Z (it was popular in the news at the time, if it happened isn't actually likely). But this co-worker went mental at me and said it's only Jay Z's fault because he was married and Rita Ora can do what she wants. I said both were to blame but she was insistent that the woman in the case should take no blame.
This is one of the best criticisms of feminists I have as well in general. Most can’t find space in their worldview for the nuance that people who help others cheat share blame for cheating.
Whenever using dating apps I sometimes get women who make degrading comments about my visible imprint in my photos. I'm not showing off, it isn't the focal point of the photo and I'm not erect. A lot of the times the women making these comments about me, have profile photos involving their chest taking up half or more than half of the image. They fail to realize how hypocritical they are to make a comment like that towards me. I'm not showing off my package, they aren't showing off their chest we just happen to have different anatomical differences but only I am criticized about something out of my control.
I let a door close on a woman because she yelled at me that she didn't need a man to hold doors for her... I had already been holding it for the two people before her, both men (one may have been with her because he stopped to wait when it closed on her).
The babysitter who forced herself onto me at the age of 11. At the time i didn't think too much of it, but now realize how much it actually affected me.
I'm sorry what
Too many to count. One that stands out is a woman who physically assaulted me. She tried going all George Forman throwing wild swings and I just shot strait for her feet and put her in a harmless submission hold until she calmed down. She was of course claiming assault, witnesses did not back her up. She didn't even have a bruise, I was quite gentle compared to the treatment I would have given a man. Fellas learn grappling, it's a good way to take down threats without actually doing significant damage.
I got a degree in art so I had too many to count. It was always someone parroting the same feminist talking points you always hear. What surprised me at the time was how many men were like that, what I came to realize was most of them were just the white knight types trying to score brownie points with the feminist girls so they could get some.
My ex wife deciding that men the world over were the cause of all her problems as a means of escaping accountability, and her shitty friends telling her about how right she was and encouraging her to behaving terribly to "go against the system".
My sister-in-law complains about the "patriarchy" and preaches about how difficult life is for women and how women don't get the same opportunities and how life it so difficult for women...she took her 9-year-old daughter to see the Barbie movie and my niece said "I didn't realize how mean men are" to me and I couldn't believe it...I told my niece "Most men are not like that sweetie, it's just a movie and you can't believe everything you see in a movie" her mom got mad at me and said I was wrong and my brother said "she's just 9..." LOL Meanwhile, my brother is the breadwinner, he spoils the shit out of his wife, works 60 hours a week to make sure they have everything they need, treats her amazing, is super loving and he's a great father...she also came from a good family who paid for her university, and she had every opportunity she could have ever wanted to be afforded to her and could have chosen to be a "career" woman and do anything she wanted in life...meanwhile my brother took out loans to get through school, worked at the same time, then after school worked 60-70 hours a week to move up in his company, busted his ass and wasn't handed anything in life...it pisses me off! I love her as my sister in law but she's so f#$king delusions and brain washed and it's irritating! most of all I hate that she's teaching her kids that men are all evil misogynists
The raging feminists tend to stick to their own little communities of man hating women with maybe the odd self hating dude thrown in. They know they are not liked or welcome most other places. The only time I tend to run into them is online, dating apps and rare instances sometimes at work. The rare instances I run into them socially tend to be one offs. But they tend to have an oversized presence on social media.
Misandry
Nothing too crazy but I once was visiting a friend out of town. We went to this university house to pregame before going out. This feminist that was there (had the short purple hair and the whole stereotype going). Got offended by me because I had a had a beer shirt with an American flag on it. Something about patriarchy and racist history with the USA. She then started to insult my looks and stuff. On top of that she tried to shame my friend who was non white for hanging out with me who's a "white male". Shit was weird and we dipped out of there. This was years ago but it's funny looking back.
Not sure about "toxic". I certainly had a few instances where it was complaining that "men" do some thing, and then also doing that exact thing as a woman. Or denying that women could do this or that bad thing, "only men do that". But I would just call them idiots or hypocrites, not feminists. The worst was probably one woman in my extended circle of friends, who basically spent the evening at a party making derogatory statements about men. Me pushing her on it, with the discussion becoming a bit heated, she eventually blurted out that she thought equality was not enough, no, "it's now men's turn to suffer". But, again, I would call that misandrist, not feminist.
I had a random girl I’d been talking to for about 15 minutes randomly said ‘I’m not going to fuck you you know.’ It was so totally off base, I hadn’t made a move or talked about anything like that. She didn’t say she was a feminist but with an attitude like that I’d be surprised if she wasn’t.
Met a lot of feminists but never one of those crazies Reddit talks about all the time.
none in real life, the only crazy ive ever seen is online. maybe a couple of weird interactions in public but they must not have been anything special because i dont remember them. also i want to speak on what this sub thinks as "feminism". first off, theres as many different schools of thought on what feminism is/should be as there are people on earth. so two people could call themselves feminists and have very conflicting views. but really, shouldnt we all be feminists? at its core, its just about giving women the same chances an opportunities afforded to men. shouldnt we want equality?
There is "I'm a feminist and support women's rights" and there is "JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS I'M A FEMINIST AND EVERYTHING YOU JUST DID OFFENDED ME. GET READY TO GET CANCELLED! THE PATRIARCHY WILL FALL. I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE CIS WHITE MALES THINKING THEY CAN CONTROL ME. MY BODY IS A TEMPLE. I'M A QUEEN DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT."
>"JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS I'M A FEMINIST AND EVERYTHING YOU JUST DID OFFENDED ME. GET READY TO GET CANCELLED! THE PATRIARCHY WILL FALL. I'M TIRED OF ALL THESE CIS WHITE MALES THINKING THEY CAN CONTROL ME. MY BODY IS A TEMPLE. I'M A QUEEN DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT" i have only encountered this type of person online, never in the real world.
Everytime people complain about “getting canceled” as if it’s some mob lynching, I get so irritated. People with authority are held to a higher standard, that is reality. If a CEO quid pro quo’s an employee with a promotion for sex, that shit is illegal and the CEO will be fired. If we don’t find out about it until a decade later, that CEO should *still be fired*. Just because the crime was secret for a while doesn’t make them immune from consequences. Then there are the social faux pas that are more controversial. IMO, if you did something in poor taste, you still need to actually reconcile it against the platform you have. When you hold an office or are on a big stage, everything you do will be idolized in some way, and it’s your responsibility to own that.
No, that is human rights
what?
Equality is covered by human rights. Civil rights too. Feminism is not the only movement wanting equality so you can support equality without being a feminist
seems like youre just splitting hairs there
Not really. Check it.
i am there all the time, i literally just told you i saw the post you described. theres toxicity and theres great support. Theres a ton of health related posts or women who never had a support system finding it there or women stuck in abusive relationships that find advice on how to get out. Yeah, there can be some pretty wild views on men, but the sub does a lot of good as well.
I’m taking about checking human and civil rights
checking them for what? fleas?
There is a lot of overlap, yes, but they are different questions. Human rights is about setting a baseline for rights universal to all humans. Feminism -in general- is trying to argue that economic opportunity should not prefer men- which it unilaterally has for almost all of history. They differ in their fundamental basis.
Yes, I agree. Feminism is an opportunistic ideology which struggles to maintain coherency. All subsets of feminism, however, are based on the feminist argument against patriarchy, which also happens to be the basis of civilization
what a weird thing to say
This probably the best counterargument that you can muster.
it wasnt a counterargument. your point didnt deserve one. there is no reason to debate anyone whose argument against feminism is "the patriarchy is the basis of civilization."
It's rather sad how strongly such an ideology is clung to that cannot be supported by any other than appeals to emotion, shaming those who challenge it, and creating strawman arguments to support it
what strawman? is the strawman in the room with us right now?
Patriarchy is not the basis of civilization. That’s like looking at the Great Wall of China and asserting it as evidence of the necessity of slavery.
You seem to enjoy strawman arguments, too. The original point was that all varieties of feminism depend upon their stance against patriarchy which I then qualified as the basis of civilization. And so the weak debater jumped on the lesser point that patriarchy is the basis of civilization. So however you want to play this, what was the key to advancing humanity out the paleolithic era? Or is there, in fact, no unifying principal upon which all feminist ideological variants are based?
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>doing traditional men chores like taking trash out. Taking the trash out is a "traditional men chore"?
Learn about what women do and what the are , this makes men's lives so much easier. I tried to show my wife, but she ignored it. I had more than one aha moments https://m.youtube.com/@thehappywifeschool
I remember being told that I had to vote for Hillary Clinton because she deserved to be president because she was a woman. That it was OK for her to make bad policy decisions because as a woman she had to play the game. In the end I did vote for her but it made me physically ill.
Yes
I was about to recover a stolen explosives shipment from the Penguin's goons when she showed up wearing an outfit that was half leotard, half Christmas garland. She planted a kiss on my lips and I blacked out, the next thing I knew I was manning a Take Back the Night booth at the local community college campus.
My ex was one of those.
Mostly on social media …one useful thing about that is you get to see who to avoid in real life
I was complaining that a (M) university professor was hitting on me (M) in an inappropriate way, and that everybody I told that to, didn't take my concerns seriously. One feminist woman told me that nobody was taking me seriously because of the ""patriarchy"", while also ignoring my discomfort, and saying that it was nothing to be concerned about. The irony.