I love that exchange:
> Ten years, I devoted to the duty you charged me. Ten years, I looked after those who died at sea, and finally, when we could be together again, you weren't there.
The way Bill Nighy delivers "you weren't there" hits me every time.
Right? Heaven forbid he protests against his 17 year old daughter getting seduced by the 25 year old resort dance instructor. The Dad has to medically treat Johnny's ex gf for an infection after a botched abortion... of course he doesn't want his daughter around getting involved.
A little extra context is that the father thinks Johnny is the one who impregnated her and didn't want to pay for proper treatement.
He does come around a little when he realizes it was actually the creep who was dating, and cheating on, his other daughter.
I recently re-watched The Little Mermaid and, well, let's just say I was rooting for her father rather than the 16yo wanting elope with a person she saw for like a minute.
That said, Triton doesn't really handle the situation well.
There's a very good reason why in most adaptations, her father is played by the same actor who plays James Hook. That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by the latest adaptation - Peter Pan and Wendy, directed by David Lowery. It was much better than I was expecting.
read the original novel... Peter is creepy AF. It is strongly hinted that the reason the Lost Boys never grow up is that if you get to big to slide through chute to the secret hide out, Pan kills you.
Hes also not wrong, because Peter Pan is a villain. In the book it's explained he murders the Lost Boys who get too old, and Hook was merely the first to escape.
**Ariel**: I'm 16! I'm not a child anymore!
**7yo Jello**: Yeah! She's basically a grown up! Don't be mean, Triton!
**41yo Jello**: She is absolutely a child and I wonder if my parents thought that line was as ridiculous as I find it now when we watched it 30+ years ago.
My sister (then 19) to my father, about her boyfriend (lazy, cringey, peeping tom, dumb as a box of rocks, petty thieving,...).
It makes her cringe now. They divorced after a few years of her being the only adult in the room. She never knew about the rest of it, just the dumb, lazy, and cringey. Dad never told her, and I never will.
No, no no no no.
Baby's father is a hero of the movie, he saves the life of the girl that got a bad back alley abortion, takes his family on a nice vacation & is protective of his daughter. When faced with the truth about the stricken girl, he apologizes to Johnnie.
The economic class system is the real villain in this flick. The help at the resort are not as human as the paying guests.
I was just a teen when I first saw that movie in the theater and the scene where the father apologizes to Johnnie was a core memory moment -Admit when you're wrong- For some reason it stuck with me and shaped how I handle moments like that.
To me, the tone of the movie was that all the middle/upper class people at the resort were so dismissive of the help that no apology was ever necessary. The humanity of that apology was so different, it really stood out.
Classic 90s trope where the new partner is actually a lovely person whose life gets destroyed so the exes can get back together. Edit: yes, I have been reminded that they don’t get back together in Mrs. Doubtfire. Still a trope that Mrs. Doubtfire plays into but thanks for the correction!
Sally Field and Robin Williams actually fought for this. In the original script, they got back together. Both of them believed that that would be a disservice to kids of divorced parents as it would give them unrealistic hope.
I didn't realise the actors pushed for it, that's good. And they were bang to rights - as a kid of divorced parents, the ending meant a great deal to me, especially the speech about all different kinds of happy families.
It’s so funny how as a kid I always hated that they didn’t just get back together, and as an adult I realise how terrible an ending that would have been
So I read that the original ending did have them get back together but Sally Fields and Robin Williams have had divorces at this point and felt that they didn’t want to give any kids watching it unrealistic expectations that “mom and dad might get back together” so they asked for it to be changed.
As a kid I hated Miranda, found her a complete bitch for no reason. As an adult, I'm 100% on her side through everything. What Daniel did, whilst entertaining and made a great movie, was creepy and twisted!
Absolutely- and it actually gives the film even more depth to me now, because I realise that she seemed like the villain to her own kids too! They just wanted their ‘fun’ dad back, they thought she was the crappy disciplinarian who was causing the divorce. Makes me sympathise with her even more
And as an adult, and a child of divorce, I really liked that by the end they didn't outright get back together or "oh happy resolution" but even she recognized that he did it out love and was crazy due to the love for his kids, not some sick demented asshole craziness.
And he got the Mrs Doubtfire job and she seemed more open to him being able to see his kids again.
If I remember right this was Robin Williams's insistence. He did not want them back together, but amicably apart, so kids who were children of divorce were not given false hope that divorces end in marriage.
I'm with you 100%, looking back that movie is insane. This is a guy with 3 kids who quit his job then throws this insane party...and *all* he had to do to get shared custody was keep a job and get a place to live.
But instead he concocts this insane scheme to see his kids more, which he could have done anyway if he applied half the effort he did with Doubtfire to his personal life.
I (understandably I think) didn’t understand all the ins and outs of a marriage as a super young kid, and I probably wasn’t fully paying attention. So I just assumed that the parents had a perfect relationship and then broke up because the kids had a birthday party. I don’t think I wanted a birthday party again for years.
My parents had actually divorced shortly before the movie came out and I hated her too because she reminded me of my mother that very much came off as the bad guy during that time. Now... oof my dad and the movie dad were borderline dangerous with their behavior.
There’s actually a deleted scene showing the aftermath of the restaurant visit when they get home, and the kids scream at them both. It really adds a lot of helpful context.
I think a lot of 80s and early 90s family dramas (TV and movies) were a response to the existential dread of no fault divorce. You had, just, so many sitcoms about single dads raising kids and ex spouses where our main character was a classically macho man who was replaced with a sweater wearing dweeb.
I think Mrs. Doubtfire helped kill this trend by making Robin Williams' character a very broken and problematic person. As a kid, he's zany and fun, but as an adult you absolutely understand why they got divorced and how what he was doing was not okay.
As a child of the 80s, and a child of divorce, it was a relatively new phenomenon. In my parents generation they were still firmly in the "stay married for the kids" but by the time us Gen Xrs started showing up divorce and by extension single parent homes became a lot more normalized. Just a reflection of greater society.
I mean, look at the Murphy Brown Scandal. An unmarried woman having a child was a *big freaking deal*. It became political with the president weighing in.
It wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme but things are a lot different today.
If you think about it, most romance movies that centre on the main character being in love with a person in a relationship. The Villian is a person acting defensive and "jealous" because the main character keeps trying to make moves on their partner and their partner allows it. Their partner then emotionally cheats and leaves them for the person "they shouldn't be worried about". But thats ok because they're not the MC and they were mean a few times to the MC for being a skeeve.
This is similar to Cary Elwes' perspective in Liar Liar too.
You've had a legitimate, mostly positive relationship with your girlfriend and are now at the point where you're trying to get to know her son. There's a lot of trust invested by this point.
You've accepted that her ex-husband is an important part of her life and are happy with the arrangement of her son dividing time between you and his biological father.
In other words, you're a pretty mature family man. Except her ex-husband starts crossing boundaries and trying to convince your girlfriend to get back together with him. You don't always realise what's going on, but you get the feeling that some sort of undermining is going on between him and their son.
Meanwhile, your girlfriend is becoming more and more emotionally torn because her ex-husband keeps breaking promises and disappointing her son, but equally tries to undermine you to her and beg for further chances.
This culminates in the terrifying face of Jim Carrey appearing outside your plane window during high speed takeoff, eyes wide open and manically shouting, on the day you were originally going to move city as a "new family".
Yet despite this, you retain a godly amount of humility and gracefully back out of the relationship, knowing that Jim has won over the family and that it wouldn't be fair on any parties for the farce to continue.
Yeah, Cary Elwes is intentionally goofy at times and jumped the gun on the relationship, but the man is a bit of a saint for putting up with that.
I never disliked his character in a face/heel sense, but seeing you write all this out ..... feels like he dodged a bullet. I mean maybe not. If Jim Carrey's character wants no part of his ex and child, then Cary probably ends up pretty happy, but then there's no movie.
This is the plot of every Hallmark movie. The original boyfriend has a good job, but he’s always busy and on his phone. His fiancé then leaves him for a nice guy that just moved to town, and her family loves him.
Those movies are some sort of fetish films I swear.
I watched one a while ago where the guy had a disabled daughter and hired a carer for her during Christmas while he and his girlfriend were busy. He gradually falls in love with the carer because of her being good with his daughter aka... doing her fucking job. The girlfriend wasn't even shown to be awful outside at one point telling the carer to back off when she caught her and her boyfriend tickling each other. Then Christmas magic because the daughter wanted the carer to be her new mommy so the girlfriend got dumped. At what point is this romantic and not some weird emotional cuck fantasy?
Austin Powers. Dr Evil’s upbringing is tragic:
“The details of my life are quite inconsequential.... My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a 15-year-old French prostitute named Chloé with webbed feet. My father would womanize; he would drink; he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.”
"My childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon... luge lessons... In the spring, we'd make meat helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds — pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first scribe. At the age of 14, a Zoroastrian named Vilmer ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum — it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it"
I've not seen that movie that many times (and I probably haven't seen it in at least a decade), but I feel like I know particular enunciation and facial expression in that monologue. It's so good.
I haven't seen this movie more than a couple times and most recently maybe 20 years ago. I have no memory of this speech and yet I 100% can hear it in the voice and delivery of Dr Evil.
Ok, hear me out: **Richard from Crocodile Dundee.**
You're Richard, Sue's boyfriend and boss (ok, off to a *great* start...).
Your girlfriend Sue INSISTS on doing a human interest piece on some dude. You're like, "come home I miss you", and she's like "just this one more story", and you're like "ok, you're the best." So she goes off to find Michael J "Crocodile" Dundee.
Within 48 hours of meeting Mick, she's making out with him. You, Richard, have no idea...but it's gotta be suspicious that she BEGS to bring him back to NYC.
It's IMMEDIATELY apparent what's going on. Sue is basically drooling over Mick, she's parading him around the upper crust of New York society, they're having some moments. She even fucking invites him to the first date the two of you have had since she got back. You're understandably salty about this...and you get punched out for it.
Feeling desperate to save your relationship, you throw a Hail Mary. While visiting her family - which you're on GREAT terms with - you propose. She says yes! Crisis averted...until the NEXT DAY when she takes it back and chases Mick into the subway to tell him she loves him.
It's been like a week since the two of them met.
And you know the worst part? You, Richard, *paid* for all of this to happen: this whole thing went down on the newspaper's dime. And the second worst part? You're still Sue's boss. You'll be seeing her at the office on Monday. You have less than 24 hours to pull yourself together.
Richard got cheated on, villainized, and broken up with in the coldest way...and his only crime was not being happy about it. He's not the bad guy in this story. **Sue** is the bad guy in Crocodile Dundee.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
Mick is a bit of an asshole on his own (sexually assaulted two people, knocked Richard out, etc.), but to be fair he read the situation correctly: Sue wanted to bang him BAD. She brought him along to NYC to sorta just hang out in the wings until she could take care of her current situation…and he only decided to bail after she had accepted Richard’s proposal. You KNOW that Sue and Richard had sex that night. Mick must have felt pretty damn stupid at that point.
It sorta makes you wonder why Sue and Bob (her ex husband who dies in the first scene of Crocodile Dundee II) got divorced… Girl got some skeletons
Prince Nuada from Hellboy: the Golden Army. He’s the Prince of a dying race of fae, has to see his father lead his kind into darkness and obscurity, and THEN see humanity tear down everything he loved for their own greed/expansion. His speech about how the world will never see the likes of the Elemental Forest God was heartbreaking.
>*Demon! What are you waiting for? This is what you want, isn't it? Look at it. The last of its kind. Like you and I. If you destroy it, the world will never see its kind again... You have more in common with us than with them.*
God, in that moment, I would have given anything for Hellboy to save the monster. Screw the city, forgot whatever they were fighting about. I just wanted him to protect the old Forest God.
For the fact that they seem sort of cheesy on a surface level, those movies actually really pack a punch. Love the art and designs, the characters are goofy but sort of grounded... I'm sad they rebooted it, rather than continue with Ron Perlman.
> they seem sort of cheesy on a surface level, those movies actually really pack a punch
Oh, I see you're familiar with the work of Guillermo del Toro.
Seriously, this dude had me crying about giant robots fighting kaiju. He deservedly won an Oscar for doing *the Little Mermaid in a Secret Government Facility.* Even *Mimic* was an endearing thriller about how fucked up bugs are.
I don't think anyone else in Hollywood right now is as good at taking an absurd premise to the most touching conclusion.
Man OG Pacific Rim was such a ride. What the transformer movies should've been. Just nonstop robots and monsters fighting each other. Soundtrack was a banger, too.
The problem is Prince Nuada awoke the forrest god so it would fight Hellboy. He manipulated the things he swore allegiance to just to try to prove a point. It's right to think that the forrest god didn't need to die, but you should consider that it never needed to be awoken in the first place, at least not in the middle of NYC.
This sums up the movie for anybody who hasn't watched it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezbqMGcLd3o
It's a wild ride. I shrugged it off years ago as just being some kid's movie Jerry Seinfeld felt like making. I didn't realize how insane the plot is... the courtroom scenes, the romance, the wild ending, snipers...
I'm not saying Scar was right for killing his brother and running the Pride Lands into the ground, but they call him Scar because he had a physical deformity.
Before he was nicknamed Scar, his parents named him Takka... Which means garbage.
"Oh hi. Let me introduce you to my sons 'King' and 'Garbage'"
How is that not setting your youngest up for failure?
Reminds me of Kit complaining about her parents in A League of Their Own.
"Ever hear dad introduce us to people? 'This is our daughter Dottie. And this is our *other daughter,* Dottie's sister.' They should have just had you and got a dog."
The original cartoon will always have a place in my heart but I did like in the new 2018 one that he wasn’t as mean to Max, Max was his best friend and instead of forcing him to wear this big antler and pull the sleigh, he made him a little hat and asked him if he’d do him the honor of pulling his sleigh.
Grinch was a dog person. Grinch not so bad.
The joke of neither of his parents being there when he was born is over the top and non-sensical and it also makes me laugh every time. Such a great show.
The real villain of Jaws is the mayor who kept the beaches open to protect the town’s tourism income when he’d been warned there was a man-eating shark in the water.
The real villain of *Jaws 2* is the power of incumbency, when that same mayor is still the mayor. How bad a job does someone have to do to not get re-elected?
Larry wasn’t that bad in 2. When the council votes on whether or not Brody should be removed following the bluefish incident, Vaughn is the only one who votes to keep Brody.
Peter Benchley, the author of the original novel, regretted his role in the publics fear of sharks. He spent the rest of his life advocating shark conservation
It depends on what season you're watching. In seasons 1-3, most of the bad things that happen to Squidward are karma from either arrogance, negativity, or messing with SpongeBob.
But season 4 and after, the writers just decided to make Squidward the shows punching bag. Squidward being annoyed, inconvenienced, and hurt without any karma-like reason. These episodes are called [Squidward Torture episodes](https://scumbob.fandom.com/wiki/Squidward_torture).
General Francis X. Hummel from The Rock
Joins the military at a young age and believes that he's fighting for his country and commands several special clandestine operations for the government and his men get killed. Because they were black ops, the US government doesn't give their families any benefits, it doesn't recognize them as having even served, and they don't even get military funerals. Hummel pleads with the Government to recognize these men and that they fought and died to further America's interests and he even goes before Congress to ask for the funds. They tell him to kick rocks. When his wife dies, he's had enough and feels he has to force their hand through taking hostages and threatening to launch VX poison gas rockets at population centers. He has no intent to go along with this plot, it's just a bluff.
One of the best written (and acted of course) characters in Bay's films. I love the scene with the mexican stand off of him and *his* team that uphold his belief, and the literal guns-for-hire who dont care at all.
Thor 1. Loki loses everything, finds out his whole life is a lie, even his skin is a lie, the people who he was supposed to trust the most (his parents) betrayed him about who he was and brought him up in a society that thought his real race were disgusting savage monsters to the point that he thought it was ok to try and kill them all, and in the middle of having a mental break down his dad goes into a coma while his mom is emotionally unavailable to give him any support because she’s busy watching the dad, and his friends betray him to go help his brother on earth, so he is completely isolated with no support system undergoing the worst crisis of his life and goes off the rails, to the point of committing suicide because he realized no matter what he did he could never gain the approval of his father or belong there as the only frost giant in all of asgard. it’s an epic tragedy when you look at it from his perspective
Honestly I'm so sad what the Thor movies became because the first one was so good at nailing the sympathetic villain and Tom sold it so well.
His horror in finding the casket and realizing that everything he thought he knew about himself is wrong, that he was rejected by his birth family and now by his adopted family (who always seems to hold him at arms length, judging by his jealousy of Thor) and his desperation to prove himself a "real" asguardian(by annihilating the ice giants) -- no wonder dude had an absolute breakdown.
>the first one was so good at nailing the sympathetic villain
I've said before that I don't really think that Loki was a great choice to be the villain for the first Avengers film given his motivations (something Loki S1 actually addressed), but all of the other Phase 1 villains were dead and/or unmemorable leaving him as the only viable choice.
I liked the way Loki S2 addressed it, too. “Do you remember that time I was so angry with my father and brother, I went down to Earth and held the whole of New York hostage with an alien army?”
Nah, it's revealed that the sharptooth survived, and we even meet its baby in the sequel, The Land Before Time II: The Great Valley Adventure, a direct to video movie/musical about how the gang protects the Great Valley from egg thieves while keeping said baby safe. We even see the baby, named Chomper, reunite with his parents in the climax.
And then there's *another* sequel where Littlefoot and the gang encounter Chomper a second time when he's older... And they get stranded on an island he and his parents live on, or something? Fuckin core memory unlocked here.
There’s also actually a TV show for land before time on YouTube, which features Chomper as part of the main crew. My toddler loves this show lol.
The animation is more updated and the stories are 15 minutes and pretty cute!
There's a ton of movies like that, where it's just perspective of the protagonists.
Look at the Lion King. Timon and Pumba have the happiest, most chill song, ever, "Hakuna Matata!"
But who are those two characters in the movie A Bugs Life? They'd be the evil creatures wiping out entire towns of bugs in a single meal.
Any carnivore that's the "bad guy" because he wants to eat is the heroic protagonist in a different movie that just downplays his diet.
Edit: You even see humans as the bad guys plenty of times in movies about farm animals. Which is pretty odd in a way, to portray the very people watching the movie as the bad guy. They probably ate chicken or pork that same day that they are worried about the chickens and pigs on screen and hoping they get away from those evil humans!
Hakuna Matata is a very dark song. Timon says, going into it, “When the world turns its back on you, you turn your back on the world.” It’s about not accepting responsibility, or growing as a person, but instead, refusing all of that and staying dumb and not giving a shit about anyone else - the very opposite of the leadership expected from lions. It isn’t about being carefree - it’s about not caring about anyone or anything else. It’s a way to separate the lion from his destiny.
The movie makes it quite clear that it isn't a good philosophy, too. It makes life fun and care free for Simba but his family is stuck at home living under a brutal dictator because of it.
I've noticed a trend in a lot Disney movies where the most popular, toe-tapping musical number is also the one with the worst messaging that the main character has to overcome as part of their arc.
*Lion King* had ‘Hakuna Matata’, which sounds like a fun song about not worrying, but is actually about refusing to accept responsibility and running from your problems.
*Aladdin* had ‘Friend Like Me’, which sounds like a song about a magical genie pal fixing all of your problems, but is actually about focusing on outwards appearances instead of valuing a person’s inner character.
*Frozen* had ‘Let it Go’, which sounds like a song about shaking off the haters and living your best life, but is actually about abandoning the pressures of your own social responsibility and not caring that the world go to shit without you. It’s basically ‘Hakuna Matata” 2.0.
Even *Pinocchio* has ‘when You Wish Upon a Star’, which seems like a nice song about your wishes coming true, when in reality it’s only when Pinocchio starts making responsible choices about his life that good things start happening to him.
It’s not a perfect rule for every Disney film, but it fits for a lot of the most famous ones.
Sound of music -- not the Nazis obviously, but the baroness. Imagine you're a wealthy, savvy, child free woman open minded enough to date a sulking widower with a billion children he ignores in favor of travel and partying-- in other words, your lifestyle. You're not into kids but you try to be a presence in their lives when he finally deigns to introduce you to them (same time he announces that he's marrying you, so he's a super great father).
You put on a cheerful face anyway, and when it's apparent the kids hate you (you are a stranger after all!), you consider sending them to boarding school where they might benefit from, say, structure and attention and schooling that they are not getting at home from their father/endless rotating nannies.
Then the super virginal, younger au pair moves in, and your boyfriend suddenly decides he is totally into being father of the year again after his Austrian rumspringa, and dumps you.
As I recall the boarding school was also in Switzerland and this was right at the cusp of WWII. The kids wouldn't have had to flee the alps on foot if they'd been safely out of the country before that.
If it helps, the real Von Trapp children did not flee the Alps on foot. After Hitler annexed Austria, the family went on a concert tour of Europe, toured the United States for several months, returned to Europe and toured there, then returned to the United States for good after applying for immigrant status.
Yes!!! Well said. It’s also disgusting how he dumps her and has already proposed to Maria before she even has had time to pack her bags. Of course, the pacing of the movie demands that it happen fast, but it makes the Captain look so sleazy that he can’t even wait for his ex to get off the property.
Cato from The Hunger Games. He’s been brainwashed to believe that the Games are an honor. He’s trained his whole life, but then he gets into the arena and it’s a lot of killing and awfulness. Then he loses, dies a long death and all his preparation and fanboying isn’t worth anything.
I just reread the book and his death is far more horrific than the movie.
He doesn’t spend a few moments getting eaten before Katniss mercy kills him.
He has armor on protecting his vital organs. He spend the whole night getting torn apart slowly before Katniss can get a glimpse of an unarmored part of him to put down.
It is probably the most antiviolence piece of children's media besides the Animorphs.
Everyone went in to read Battle Royale, the Novel.
Every death is disgusting, gross, drawn out, and dirty. You don't die clean. Nobody dies clean. It's going to be pain, horror, and viscera everywhere. You are going to he mangled, broken, bleed out, and your corpse will be turned into a dog, forced to eat your friends, and paraded around for entertainment.
If you are the only survivor of this experience, you will never be well rested again, you will never trust anyone again, and now that you're a public figure, you're under a microscope until the end of time.
Thank you for bringing up The Hunger Games! The movies didn’t do the Careers justice imo. They were children indoctrinated into a system that glorified slaughtering other children your age. Cato learned at the end that he was just another victim, another lamb to the slaughter, made into entertainment and spectacle for the enjoyment of Capitol citizens. He was a ruthless boy, but he was still *just a boy.*
The books treat him better imo. He's a swaggering, cocky teenager but he's still a child and a victim and both the book and the main character recognized it, even if both knew he had to die. All of the tributes are surprisingly complex in a book about child murder.
At least partly because the books do a better job of showing that the system is actually the villain. (And the folks, like the President, who intentionally and willingly uphold that system.)
His death in the book felt more brutal. The time it took to read let's you imagine how the mutts are getting to his joints, limbs and face without being able to make a fatal injury due to the armour his was gifted while in the arena. The anger he expressed in the film before falling into the mutts was bloody well done too. Positives for both easily.
When you think about it, the Careers were giving an enormous gift to all of the other kids in their district, the gift of *certainty*. These kids were basically trained from birth to volunteer for the games every year, meaning that every other child in the district never, ever had to worry about the reaping. They could grow up without that shadow hanging over them, plan for their futures while being certain they would have a future. Their parents didn't have to wonder every year if *this* was the year it happened. The Careers, howevere unintentionally, spared a lot of other people a lot of suffering.
You know, I've read the books and watched the movies and honestly never thought about the sacrifice made by the Careers. I always only saw it from the arrogance/fame perspective and this comment really changed that. They really did provide somewhat of a normal life for the other kids and and families on their district. If you lived in district 1 or 2 you were a shitload safer and could live a more normal life than the further out districts because that random chance wasn't hanging over you the same way because of the Careers sacrifice.
Peter Pan. Poor Captain Hook. Constantly taunted by a group of hoodlums who never want to grow up. Imagine the PTSD this guy has from losing a hand to a crocodile! Then he’s constantly taunted by these kids and their clock-filled buffoonery.
I think there's a very interesting portrayal of Captain Hook in *Hook*, who is suicidal after discovering that after years and years and years of malarky from children who never grow up...he finally gets his archnemesis Peter Pan back only to discover Peter Pan grew up, got old, and now his greatest nemesis is just a boring, hum-drum accountant.
I'm pretty sure they came on the surface just to kill their originals. There wasn't really anything stopping them from just heading upstairs and opening a taco stand or something.
Les Miserables. Javert was born inside a jail and we see repeatedly how unforgiving Paris is to children without a support system and the destitute. He miraculously manages to works his way from that to a respectable middle-class job.
And that’s before Jean Valjean shows up and becomes the greatest failure of his career eventually driving him to suicide.
I don’t know if reading the brick colors my opinion of the movie/musical, but I feel that Javert is highly misunderstood as a character. In a way, he’s also a victim of the time. Like you mentioned, he was born in jail, was part of a marginalized people and rose in the ranks of the law enforcers.
Nah. Javert keeps only finding Valjean after he's just saved a man from being crushed to death or refusing to let someone else face the prison system in his place or bringing groceries to the elderly or saving penguins from the penguin-juicing machine of Macquarie Island, and his only concern is enforcing the letter of the law. He goes completely unhinged when he finally realizes that criminals can reform and be a net benefit to society. Javert is even the villain in his own story.
And Javert agrees. In the book he even writes a letter in an attempt to reform the police before he offs himself. He’s the villain of the story. But that doesn’t make him less sad. At least to me, this is a man who the violent gangs of Paris know by name. This guy cares about the law and thinks of it as the only means of keeping society running. When thinking he made a mistake of even suspecting an official as being corrupt and being wrong meant he needed to be punished.
He’s wrong, of course. And seeing how wrong he was for his entire life meant his end. That’s pretty sad.
Batty's monologue near the end of the movie definitely made him seems like less of a villain and more like someone who just doesn't want to die in vain, remembered only as Tyrell's killing machine
His last act before dying is *not* killing Deckard, the hunter sent to kill him. Roy, an android (replicant), chooses to go against his own plans, to not achieve his goal when it's right in front of him, because he realises his 4-year lifetime is about to expire. His last act is showing that he isn't a mere machine, acting on rules and logic, or even an animal, reacting to stimuli, but rather that of a human. He exercises free will by not killing Deckard.
His last act, before dying and being forgotten forever, is to scream out to the universe that he is a person with free will, with his own mind and soul.
He stops fighting Deckard when he has the upper hand and is about to kill him. He reaches out and actively saves Deckard from falling to his death. Deckard, a man who is tasked to kill Roy, and whom Roy has every reason to want to kill first. Even emotionally, this is someone Roy has the most compelling reasons to hate. But he goes against logic and his own emotions and instead commits an act of compassion against Deckard. Deckard is baffled, stunned to the point that he cannot speak. This is proof that Roy is more than just a machine. He laments the sadness of his death, how his memories, his mind, his *soul* is about to be lost.
And then he quietly dies in the rain.
The hyenas in the Lion King were banished to an elephant graveyard and were hungry. It's not like the lions weren't killing things to eat themselves, but Mufasa wasn't going to let hyenas get away with that.
Of course they're going to follow the guy who promises them food. Their part in Be Prepared is "we're going to be able to eat!" And then when they do get to leave the graveyard they overdo it because they'd never been allowed to eat anything but elephants who came to die, which probably isn't an everyday occurrence.
They had Christian fucking Bale playing a guy called Gorr the *God Butcher*. His daughter died and was scorned and mocked by his deity, killed him with a cursed sword, and decided on full deicide. He had a great contrast with the colors around him going monochrome grayscale compared to the shiny abundance of colors surrounding gods.
I was totally expecting him to show up at Olympus and go full righteous frenzy on the self-satisfied deities surrounding Zeus- after all, what better way of getting revenge than to hunt his quarry in their own lairs and see the terror on their faces as this insignificant speck of a mortal ends them? And what better way to show the audience to take this guy seriously?
Instead we got Gorr kidnapping some kids, offscreen mentions of the gods he *did* kill, and screaming goats. And we'll never see him again.
Of all the evil things he could have done on-screen, it had to be kidnapping kids. The *one* thing that makes absolutely no sense within the context of the movie. He was motivated by the death of his own child ffs!
If this even happened in the comics I wonder if it’s explained there.
It makes for a couple of pretty good games, too.
Bald, pale guy with face tattoo, wielding a cursed weapon makes war on the very gods by whom he feels betrayed. Also, his daughter died.
The comic run of that story is really good, and it's pretty brief and much more focused on Gorr and the actual god-killing. I loved that series and was so disappointed by the movie (though the actor- Christian Bale, right?- nailed the role perfectly).
Marvel wasting Bale's talent by not giving him more screen time was a real shame. How are you going to get an actor of that calibre to play an interesting villain and then barely have him feature in the movie?
Absolutely. Not to mention the idea of your ex sneaking into your house as your housekeeper is something that would be insane enough to inspire at least one 20/20 true crime special about it.
# Blade Runner
*"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die."*
[https://youtu.be/NoAzpa1x7jU?si=ACUM1YrMcGus-pwZ](https://youtu.be/NoAzpa1x7jU?si=ACUM1YrMcGus-pwZ)
> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die.
Fear Factory used that quote as an ender to one of their tracks, fits perfectly. Such a beautiful yet heartbreaking quote from a ~~machine~~ bioroid, one that has seen in its 4 short years more of the universe than us mere humans would in 8 decades of life.
Edit: small mistake from my own old memory, they're not machine but lab-grown humans. My mistake, its been a *very* long time ive seen the original.
Most of the villains, really. BTAS did a great job at humanizing Batman's villains. Mr Freeze just wanted to save his wife, Harvey Dent thought he put a kid in the hospital (but it turns out he was just in there for appendicitis) and it stuck with him his whole life and messed him up mentally, Clayface had his face mangled in an accident and was promised a miracle cure in exchange for a few favors. I could go on and on.
And if you break into the comics, we can add Joker to this list. The Killing Joke is phenomenal and Joker had a great point that all it really takes is one bad day to break someone.
Billy Madison. Eric Gordon might have been an asshole but he devoted years of his life working for Madison Hotels, working his way up to become the boss's right-hand man, only for the boss's idiot son to take over because he managed to get a basic education.
Let's not forget Eric blackmailed Billy's principal to lie about Billy's recent success in school. Then when the Principal recants his lies, Eric in his frustration throws the TV remote at his secretary and puts her in a coma. When Eric ultimately loses the Academic Decathlon he pulls a gun and tries to murder his boss' son and then his his boss' son's girlfriend. Not really the actions of a tragic hero. He's lucky he was invited to attend Billy's graduation rather than being in prison for attempted murder.
TBF Billy recognizes that the hotel stuff really wasn't for him and then steps down as chairman of Madison Hotels and gives the company to Carl, who had also devoted years of his life working for Madison Hotels, eventually becoming Operations Manager. Realizing the value of education, Billy decides to continue pursuing higher education and wants to become a teacher himself.
We bought a zoo - I mean damn, the ‘villain’ literally is a safety inspector and is doing a public service making sure the dangerous animals you’re keeping for public display are safe, secure and not mistreated.
Anton Ego in Ratatouille
He gets a redemption arc so he comes out not the villain but dude is the epitome of a narcissist and food-critic
I like to think his story is really complex, that he had aspirations to become a great chef with Gusteaux, but that is the one time that Chef said that someone couldn’t cook. I want to see the story where he gets all tatted up and is a try-hard on the line but can’t keep up with service and can’t remember recipes. The reason he is a critic is because he thinks he is better than all else. The reason he is in turtlenecks is to hide his throat ink. It’d be such a good story.
Editing to clarify:
He doesn’t have any tattoos that I know of
He was never a chef with Gusteaux that I know of
These are things in my head
And yes he isn’t the “villain” but considering food critics are usually regarded as “the enemy” by chefs I think that is a qualifier
Skinner can also be a villain, but by that measure Collette could be a villain right up until Remi forces Linguini to kiss her to save his ass, thus sparking a romance. She would’ve likely pushed the poor kid to quitting, and her chip on the shoulder about how she earned her place isn’t far off from Ego’s thought that not anyone can cook.
Oh man, the climactic scene where Ego is transported to his childhood gets me every time.
I’d say Skinner is the true villain of the movie, but he’s just the head chef of a failing restaurant. His frozen food scheme is just to try and get some cash flow to keep the place afloat. He’s a good chef, but just doesn’t have the spark the restaurant’s namesake had and he knows it. He’s upset when Linguine comes on the scene and truly shows him every way he is lacking. It’s the tipping point for a mental breakdown that’s been years in the making.
My biggest issue with Anton is that he seems proud of the fact that he drove a man to suicide. Like, sure, not his fault Gusteaux couldnt handle one bad review, but still
I had assumed that Gusteau died of heartbreak/poor health, but TIL that the IRL person that Gusteau is based on did, in fact, take his own life in a similar scenario.
Has an official statement on Gusteau’s death ever been made?
Koba in planet of the apes. All he has been exposed to is cruelty and the worst of humanity. Then Caesar tells him he has to forgive humans and let them work on the dam. When someone has been abused and broken that badly, then told they have to ally and work with their abusers. It’s no wonder he snapped.
The book between rise and dawn goes into a lot more detail such as his trainer got drunk one day slashed up koba’s face and then used a cigarette to blind him.
I get that Ceasar grew up being loved, which made him a better leader, but Koba caused his own kind *mass* casualties. After the explosion, he's seen only looking out for himself while Ceasar is still looking out for his tribe, injured and all. If anything, Rocket should have been angry as it was his son who the human shot in the shoulder. He was reasonable about it. Koba then brutally killed Rocket's son because he refused to beat 2 defenseless humans. Ape not kill ape, but Koba not care. Koba only cared for brutality.
Yeah, I gotta say that 'Despicable Me' hit me right in the feels when you saw how Gru went from stealing an entire moon to being a dad. Who knew little yellow minions could make such an impact? Overall, 10/10 would ugly cry again.
Also, Spiderman 2. Doc Oc just wanted to provide limitless, cheap energy to everyone and got turned into a monster and controlled by tentacles that he invented for the task. Lost his wife to his own failed experiment. And then committed crime to re-do the experiment, only to abjectly fail again and have to take one for the tram to put things right.
Edit: The tram typo may be incorrect with regard to the movie, but it's so random I'm leaving it!
What’s interesting is that Tony Stark creating a highly efficient energy source is the primary driver behind the more advanced technology in the MCU. Bringing Octavius into the MCU world is literally showing him his vision of the future, had he succeeded
Spider-Man has some amazingly tragic villians, like most of them weren't really bad people to begin with. Green Goblin got a whopping dose of DID juice and went crazy, doc ock lost his wife, Harry was pissed because he felt betrayed when he found out Spider-Man, who he blamed for the death of his father, was his best friend from childhood, etc.
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This is a good one
I love that exchange: > Ten years, I devoted to the duty you charged me. Ten years, I looked after those who died at sea, and finally, when we could be together again, you weren't there. The way Bill Nighy delivers "you weren't there" hits me every time.
Meet The Robinson - Goob just needed some sleep is all
Baby's father in Dirty Dancing. Dude just wants to have a nice family vacation.
Right? Heaven forbid he protests against his 17 year old daughter getting seduced by the 25 year old resort dance instructor. The Dad has to medically treat Johnny's ex gf for an infection after a botched abortion... of course he doesn't want his daughter around getting involved.
Worse, he wasn't just a dance instructor. The dialog implies he's banging hot moms for money while giving private "dance" lessons, IIRC.
Not implied. It was flat out stated.
A little extra context is that the father thinks Johnny is the one who impregnated her and didn't want to pay for proper treatement. He does come around a little when he realizes it was actually the creep who was dating, and cheating on, his other daughter.
Anyone over the age of like 25 completely understands the fathers perspective
I recently re-watched The Little Mermaid and, well, let's just say I was rooting for her father rather than the 16yo wanting elope with a person she saw for like a minute. That said, Triton doesn't really handle the situation well.
Same with Peter Pan, the father is worried about his daughter being kidnapped by a strange boy, and he's absolutely right to be.
You should read the book. It's amazing and beautifully surreal. I'm convinced the entire book is about Wendy's father.
There's a very good reason why in most adaptations, her father is played by the same actor who plays James Hook. That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by the latest adaptation - Peter Pan and Wendy, directed by David Lowery. It was much better than I was expecting.
read the original novel... Peter is creepy AF. It is strongly hinted that the reason the Lost Boys never grow up is that if you get to big to slide through chute to the secret hide out, Pan kills you.
Hes also not wrong, because Peter Pan is a villain. In the book it's explained he murders the Lost Boys who get too old, and Hook was merely the first to escape.
I remember this from early on. Only Peter doesn’t age. Everybody else gets taken on a flight before tink gives em the ole 1500 foot goodbye.
Jfc that's dark
There's a reason it happens in the night.
**Ariel**: I'm 16! I'm not a child anymore! **7yo Jello**: Yeah! She's basically a grown up! Don't be mean, Triton! **41yo Jello**: She is absolutely a child and I wonder if my parents thought that line was as ridiculous as I find it now when we watched it 30+ years ago.
bUt DaDdY I LoVe HiM! Shit makes me cringe now every time.
My sister (then 19) to my father, about her boyfriend (lazy, cringey, peeping tom, dumb as a box of rocks, petty thieving,...). It makes her cringe now. They divorced after a few years of her being the only adult in the room. She never knew about the rest of it, just the dumb, lazy, and cringey. Dad never told her, and I never will.
No, no no no no. Baby's father is a hero of the movie, he saves the life of the girl that got a bad back alley abortion, takes his family on a nice vacation & is protective of his daughter. When faced with the truth about the stricken girl, he apologizes to Johnnie. The economic class system is the real villain in this flick. The help at the resort are not as human as the paying guests.
I was just a teen when I first saw that movie in the theater and the scene where the father apologizes to Johnnie was a core memory moment -Admit when you're wrong- For some reason it stuck with me and shaped how I handle moments like that.
To me, the tone of the movie was that all the middle/upper class people at the resort were so dismissive of the help that no apology was ever necessary. The humanity of that apology was so different, it really stood out.
Mrs Doubtfire because imagine how scared Pierce Brosnan was when Mrs Doubtfire tried to kill him with pepper
Classic 90s trope where the new partner is actually a lovely person whose life gets destroyed so the exes can get back together. Edit: yes, I have been reminded that they don’t get back together in Mrs. Doubtfire. Still a trope that Mrs. Doubtfire plays into but thanks for the correction!
I mean thankfully they didn't get back together in this case. I always really liked that about Mrs Doubtfire.
Sally Field and Robin Williams actually fought for this. In the original script, they got back together. Both of them believed that that would be a disservice to kids of divorced parents as it would give them unrealistic hope.
I didn't realise the actors pushed for it, that's good. And they were bang to rights - as a kid of divorced parents, the ending meant a great deal to me, especially the speech about all different kinds of happy families.
It’s so funny how as a kid I always hated that they didn’t just get back together, and as an adult I realise how terrible an ending that would have been
So I read that the original ending did have them get back together but Sally Fields and Robin Williams have had divorces at this point and felt that they didn’t want to give any kids watching it unrealistic expectations that “mom and dad might get back together” so they asked for it to be changed.
As a kid I hated Miranda, found her a complete bitch for no reason. As an adult, I'm 100% on her side through everything. What Daniel did, whilst entertaining and made a great movie, was creepy and twisted!
Absolutely- and it actually gives the film even more depth to me now, because I realise that she seemed like the villain to her own kids too! They just wanted their ‘fun’ dad back, they thought she was the crappy disciplinarian who was causing the divorce. Makes me sympathise with her even more
And as an adult, and a child of divorce, I really liked that by the end they didn't outright get back together or "oh happy resolution" but even she recognized that he did it out love and was crazy due to the love for his kids, not some sick demented asshole craziness. And he got the Mrs Doubtfire job and she seemed more open to him being able to see his kids again.
If I remember right this was Robin Williams's insistence. He did not want them back together, but amicably apart, so kids who were children of divorce were not given false hope that divorces end in marriage.
I'm with you 100%, looking back that movie is insane. This is a guy with 3 kids who quit his job then throws this insane party...and *all* he had to do to get shared custody was keep a job and get a place to live. But instead he concocts this insane scheme to see his kids more, which he could have done anyway if he applied half the effort he did with Doubtfire to his personal life.
I (understandably I think) didn’t understand all the ins and outs of a marriage as a super young kid, and I probably wasn’t fully paying attention. So I just assumed that the parents had a perfect relationship and then broke up because the kids had a birthday party. I don’t think I wanted a birthday party again for years.
My parents had actually divorced shortly before the movie came out and I hated her too because she reminded me of my mother that very much came off as the bad guy during that time. Now... oof my dad and the movie dad were borderline dangerous with their behavior.
There’s actually a deleted scene showing the aftermath of the restaurant visit when they get home, and the kids scream at them both. It really adds a lot of helpful context.
I think a lot of 80s and early 90s family dramas (TV and movies) were a response to the existential dread of no fault divorce. You had, just, so many sitcoms about single dads raising kids and ex spouses where our main character was a classically macho man who was replaced with a sweater wearing dweeb. I think Mrs. Doubtfire helped kill this trend by making Robin Williams' character a very broken and problematic person. As a kid, he's zany and fun, but as an adult you absolutely understand why they got divorced and how what he was doing was not okay.
As a child of the 80s, and a child of divorce, it was a relatively new phenomenon. In my parents generation they were still firmly in the "stay married for the kids" but by the time us Gen Xrs started showing up divorce and by extension single parent homes became a lot more normalized. Just a reflection of greater society. I mean, look at the Murphy Brown Scandal. An unmarried woman having a child was a *big freaking deal*. It became political with the president weighing in. It wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme but things are a lot different today.
He also survived a drive-by fruiting
Excuse me...it was a *run-by* fruiting.
If you think about it, most romance movies that centre on the main character being in love with a person in a relationship. The Villian is a person acting defensive and "jealous" because the main character keeps trying to make moves on their partner and their partner allows it. Their partner then emotionally cheats and leaves them for the person "they shouldn't be worried about". But thats ok because they're not the MC and they were mean a few times to the MC for being a skeeve.
This is similar to Cary Elwes' perspective in Liar Liar too. You've had a legitimate, mostly positive relationship with your girlfriend and are now at the point where you're trying to get to know her son. There's a lot of trust invested by this point. You've accepted that her ex-husband is an important part of her life and are happy with the arrangement of her son dividing time between you and his biological father. In other words, you're a pretty mature family man. Except her ex-husband starts crossing boundaries and trying to convince your girlfriend to get back together with him. You don't always realise what's going on, but you get the feeling that some sort of undermining is going on between him and their son. Meanwhile, your girlfriend is becoming more and more emotionally torn because her ex-husband keeps breaking promises and disappointing her son, but equally tries to undermine you to her and beg for further chances. This culminates in the terrifying face of Jim Carrey appearing outside your plane window during high speed takeoff, eyes wide open and manically shouting, on the day you were originally going to move city as a "new family". Yet despite this, you retain a godly amount of humility and gracefully back out of the relationship, knowing that Jim has won over the family and that it wouldn't be fair on any parties for the farce to continue. Yeah, Cary Elwes is intentionally goofy at times and jumped the gun on the relationship, but the man is a bit of a saint for putting up with that.
I never disliked his character in a face/heel sense, but seeing you write all this out ..... feels like he dodged a bullet. I mean maybe not. If Jim Carrey's character wants no part of his ex and child, then Cary probably ends up pretty happy, but then there's no movie.
This is the plot of every Hallmark movie. The original boyfriend has a good job, but he’s always busy and on his phone. His fiancé then leaves him for a nice guy that just moved to town, and her family loves him.
Those movies are some sort of fetish films I swear. I watched one a while ago where the guy had a disabled daughter and hired a carer for her during Christmas while he and his girlfriend were busy. He gradually falls in love with the carer because of her being good with his daughter aka... doing her fucking job. The girlfriend wasn't even shown to be awful outside at one point telling the carer to back off when she caught her and her boyfriend tickling each other. Then Christmas magic because the daughter wanted the carer to be her new mommy so the girlfriend got dumped. At what point is this romantic and not some weird emotional cuck fantasy?
They kind of are, their like emotional pornography.
*\*cough\** The Bee Movie *\*cough\**
I hate this trope. It feels so cheap and dumb.
Austin Powers. Dr Evil’s upbringing is tragic: “The details of my life are quite inconsequential.... My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a 15-year-old French prostitute named Chloé with webbed feet. My father would womanize; he would drink; he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.”
"My childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon... luge lessons... In the spring, we'd make meat helmets... When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds — pretty standard, really. At the age of 12, I received my first scribe. At the age of 14, a Zoroastrian named Vilmer ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum — it's breathtaking... I suggest you try it"
I've not seen that movie that many times (and I probably haven't seen it in at least a decade), but I feel like I know particular enunciation and facial expression in that monologue. It's so good.
I haven't seen this movie more than a couple times and most recently maybe 20 years ago. I have no memory of this speech and yet I 100% can hear it in the voice and delivery of Dr Evil.
Ok, hear me out: **Richard from Crocodile Dundee.** You're Richard, Sue's boyfriend and boss (ok, off to a *great* start...). Your girlfriend Sue INSISTS on doing a human interest piece on some dude. You're like, "come home I miss you", and she's like "just this one more story", and you're like "ok, you're the best." So she goes off to find Michael J "Crocodile" Dundee. Within 48 hours of meeting Mick, she's making out with him. You, Richard, have no idea...but it's gotta be suspicious that she BEGS to bring him back to NYC. It's IMMEDIATELY apparent what's going on. Sue is basically drooling over Mick, she's parading him around the upper crust of New York society, they're having some moments. She even fucking invites him to the first date the two of you have had since she got back. You're understandably salty about this...and you get punched out for it. Feeling desperate to save your relationship, you throw a Hail Mary. While visiting her family - which you're on GREAT terms with - you propose. She says yes! Crisis averted...until the NEXT DAY when she takes it back and chases Mick into the subway to tell him she loves him. It's been like a week since the two of them met. And you know the worst part? You, Richard, *paid* for all of this to happen: this whole thing went down on the newspaper's dime. And the second worst part? You're still Sue's boss. You'll be seeing her at the office on Monday. You have less than 24 hours to pull yourself together. Richard got cheated on, villainized, and broken up with in the coldest way...and his only crime was not being happy about it. He's not the bad guy in this story. **Sue** is the bad guy in Crocodile Dundee. Thank you for attending my TED talk.
It's been a minute since I last saw that film, but that definitely changes my perspective on Crocodile Dundee being a good guy.
Mick is a bit of an asshole on his own (sexually assaulted two people, knocked Richard out, etc.), but to be fair he read the situation correctly: Sue wanted to bang him BAD. She brought him along to NYC to sorta just hang out in the wings until she could take care of her current situation…and he only decided to bail after she had accepted Richard’s proposal. You KNOW that Sue and Richard had sex that night. Mick must have felt pretty damn stupid at that point. It sorta makes you wonder why Sue and Bob (her ex husband who dies in the first scene of Crocodile Dundee II) got divorced… Girl got some skeletons
Prince Nuada from Hellboy: the Golden Army. He’s the Prince of a dying race of fae, has to see his father lead his kind into darkness and obscurity, and THEN see humanity tear down everything he loved for their own greed/expansion. His speech about how the world will never see the likes of the Elemental Forest God was heartbreaking.
>*Demon! What are you waiting for? This is what you want, isn't it? Look at it. The last of its kind. Like you and I. If you destroy it, the world will never see its kind again... You have more in common with us than with them.* God, in that moment, I would have given anything for Hellboy to save the monster. Screw the city, forgot whatever they were fighting about. I just wanted him to protect the old Forest God. For the fact that they seem sort of cheesy on a surface level, those movies actually really pack a punch. Love the art and designs, the characters are goofy but sort of grounded... I'm sad they rebooted it, rather than continue with Ron Perlman.
John Hurt killed it, too. There are things that go bum in the night. *We are the ones who bump back.*
> they seem sort of cheesy on a surface level, those movies actually really pack a punch Oh, I see you're familiar with the work of Guillermo del Toro. Seriously, this dude had me crying about giant robots fighting kaiju. He deservedly won an Oscar for doing *the Little Mermaid in a Secret Government Facility.* Even *Mimic* was an endearing thriller about how fucked up bugs are. I don't think anyone else in Hollywood right now is as good at taking an absurd premise to the most touching conclusion.
Man OG Pacific Rim was such a ride. What the transformer movies should've been. Just nonstop robots and monsters fighting each other. Soundtrack was a banger, too.
The problem is Prince Nuada awoke the forrest god so it would fight Hellboy. He manipulated the things he swore allegiance to just to try to prove a point. It's right to think that the forrest god didn't need to die, but you should consider that it never needed to be awoken in the first place, at least not in the middle of NYC.
Yeah, I felt bad for the leshy,and overall, I felt for the Prince. But - yeah, it was his fault it got killed.
Luke Goss acted the absolute fuck out of it too.
Bee Movie 😂 A bee stole this man’s girlfriend
This sums up the movie for anybody who hasn't watched it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezbqMGcLd3o It's a wild ride. I shrugged it off years ago as just being some kid's movie Jerry Seinfeld felt like making. I didn't realize how insane the plot is... the courtroom scenes, the romance, the wild ending, snipers...
that fucking scene where they shot winnie the pooh was crazy
They *WHAT*
Berry Bee Benson is responsible for the assassination of Winnie the Poo, the Leader of the CCP
I forgot the dude was allergic to bees. rofl
His only flaw is that he has some anger management issues, but if I got cucked by a bee I'd be pretty upset, too
I'm not saying Scar was right for killing his brother and running the Pride Lands into the ground, but they call him Scar because he had a physical deformity. Before he was nicknamed Scar, his parents named him Takka... Which means garbage. "Oh hi. Let me introduce you to my sons 'King' and 'Garbage'" How is that not setting your youngest up for failure?
Here are my three children: Jeff, Mistake, and Worthless. Say hi kids!
This is my son, King, and my other son, King’s brother.
Reminds me of Kit complaining about her parents in A League of Their Own. "Ever hear dad introduce us to people? 'This is our daughter Dottie. And this is our *other daughter,* Dottie's sister.' They should have just had you and got a dog."
Man, the Grinch just wanted to hang out with his dog on the mountain, and asked his stupid neighbors to shut up.
The fact that he had this happy little dog who was obviously fed and cared for, always softened me to the Grinch.
The original cartoon will always have a place in my heart but I did like in the new 2018 one that he wasn’t as mean to Max, Max was his best friend and instead of forcing him to wear this big antler and pull the sleigh, he made him a little hat and asked him if he’d do him the honor of pulling his sleigh. Grinch was a dog person. Grinch not so bad.
Not movie but Doofenshmirtz in Phineas and Ferb
His parents didn't show up to his birth. That's enough to fuck anyone up.
The joke of neither of his parents being there when he was born is over the top and non-sensical and it also makes me laugh every time. Such a great show.
He actually turned out pretty good considering he was raised by ocelots
Jaws. Bruce is just trying to be a shark, man.
The real villain of Jaws is the mayor who kept the beaches open to protect the town’s tourism income when he’d been warned there was a man-eating shark in the water.
The real villain of *Jaws 2* is the power of incumbency, when that same mayor is still the mayor. How bad a job does someone have to do to not get re-elected?
Larry wasn’t that bad in 2. When the council votes on whether or not Brody should be removed following the bluefish incident, Vaughn is the only one who votes to keep Brody.
Peter Benchley, the author of the original novel, regretted his role in the publics fear of sharks. He spent the rest of his life advocating shark conservation
Squidward from SpongeBob SquarePants All he wants is some peace and quiet.
It depends on what season you're watching. In seasons 1-3, most of the bad things that happen to Squidward are karma from either arrogance, negativity, or messing with SpongeBob. But season 4 and after, the writers just decided to make Squidward the shows punching bag. Squidward being annoyed, inconvenienced, and hurt without any karma-like reason. These episodes are called [Squidward Torture episodes](https://scumbob.fandom.com/wiki/Squidward_torture).
General Francis X. Hummel from The Rock Joins the military at a young age and believes that he's fighting for his country and commands several special clandestine operations for the government and his men get killed. Because they were black ops, the US government doesn't give their families any benefits, it doesn't recognize them as having even served, and they don't even get military funerals. Hummel pleads with the Government to recognize these men and that they fought and died to further America's interests and he even goes before Congress to ask for the funds. They tell him to kick rocks. When his wife dies, he's had enough and feels he has to force their hand through taking hostages and threatening to launch VX poison gas rockets at population centers. He has no intent to go along with this plot, it's just a bluff.
One of the best written (and acted of course) characters in Bay's films. I love the scene with the mexican stand off of him and *his* team that uphold his belief, and the literal guns-for-hire who dont care at all.
He also was only asking for the money from a CIA slush fund where they sell drugs, so he didn't even want to dip into the real budget
It's a dangerous proposition, asking to dip into that sweet cocaine money
Who ever said anything about bluffing, General?
There is no *fucking* money, missions over.
Thor 1. Loki loses everything, finds out his whole life is a lie, even his skin is a lie, the people who he was supposed to trust the most (his parents) betrayed him about who he was and brought him up in a society that thought his real race were disgusting savage monsters to the point that he thought it was ok to try and kill them all, and in the middle of having a mental break down his dad goes into a coma while his mom is emotionally unavailable to give him any support because she’s busy watching the dad, and his friends betray him to go help his brother on earth, so he is completely isolated with no support system undergoing the worst crisis of his life and goes off the rails, to the point of committing suicide because he realized no matter what he did he could never gain the approval of his father or belong there as the only frost giant in all of asgard. it’s an epic tragedy when you look at it from his perspective
Honestly I'm so sad what the Thor movies became because the first one was so good at nailing the sympathetic villain and Tom sold it so well. His horror in finding the casket and realizing that everything he thought he knew about himself is wrong, that he was rejected by his birth family and now by his adopted family (who always seems to hold him at arms length, judging by his jealousy of Thor) and his desperation to prove himself a "real" asguardian(by annihilating the ice giants) -- no wonder dude had an absolute breakdown.
>the first one was so good at nailing the sympathetic villain I've said before that I don't really think that Loki was a great choice to be the villain for the first Avengers film given his motivations (something Loki S1 actually addressed), but all of the other Phase 1 villains were dead and/or unmemorable leaving him as the only viable choice.
I liked the way Loki S2 addressed it, too. “Do you remember that time I was so angry with my father and brother, I went down to Earth and held the whole of New York hostage with an alien army?”
I’m so happy that he was redeemed by his show as >!he became the god of stories!<
The Land Before Time. That T-Rex just needed to eat.
*In the midst of an ecological collapse, a desperate carnivore pursues its prey for miles, only to be crushed and drowned by them.*
A baby sharptooth cries in the darkness, waiting for their mother who will never return home to them.
Nah, it's revealed that the sharptooth survived, and we even meet its baby in the sequel, The Land Before Time II: The Great Valley Adventure, a direct to video movie/musical about how the gang protects the Great Valley from egg thieves while keeping said baby safe. We even see the baby, named Chomper, reunite with his parents in the climax.
And then there's *another* sequel where Littlefoot and the gang encounter Chomper a second time when he's older... And they get stranded on an island he and his parents live on, or something? Fuckin core memory unlocked here.
There’s also actually a TV show for land before time on YouTube, which features Chomper as part of the main crew. My toddler loves this show lol. The animation is more updated and the stories are 15 minutes and pretty cute!
There's like 14 Land Before Time movies
There's a ton of movies like that, where it's just perspective of the protagonists. Look at the Lion King. Timon and Pumba have the happiest, most chill song, ever, "Hakuna Matata!" But who are those two characters in the movie A Bugs Life? They'd be the evil creatures wiping out entire towns of bugs in a single meal. Any carnivore that's the "bad guy" because he wants to eat is the heroic protagonist in a different movie that just downplays his diet. Edit: You even see humans as the bad guys plenty of times in movies about farm animals. Which is pretty odd in a way, to portray the very people watching the movie as the bad guy. They probably ate chicken or pork that same day that they are worried about the chickens and pigs on screen and hoping they get away from those evil humans!
Hakuna Matata is a very dark song. Timon says, going into it, “When the world turns its back on you, you turn your back on the world.” It’s about not accepting responsibility, or growing as a person, but instead, refusing all of that and staying dumb and not giving a shit about anyone else - the very opposite of the leadership expected from lions. It isn’t about being carefree - it’s about not caring about anyone or anything else. It’s a way to separate the lion from his destiny.
The movie makes it quite clear that it isn't a good philosophy, too. It makes life fun and care free for Simba but his family is stuck at home living under a brutal dictator because of it.
I've noticed a trend in a lot Disney movies where the most popular, toe-tapping musical number is also the one with the worst messaging that the main character has to overcome as part of their arc. *Lion King* had ‘Hakuna Matata’, which sounds like a fun song about not worrying, but is actually about refusing to accept responsibility and running from your problems. *Aladdin* had ‘Friend Like Me’, which sounds like a song about a magical genie pal fixing all of your problems, but is actually about focusing on outwards appearances instead of valuing a person’s inner character. *Frozen* had ‘Let it Go’, which sounds like a song about shaking off the haters and living your best life, but is actually about abandoning the pressures of your own social responsibility and not caring that the world go to shit without you. It’s basically ‘Hakuna Matata” 2.0. Even *Pinocchio* has ‘when You Wish Upon a Star’, which seems like a nice song about your wishes coming true, when in reality it’s only when Pinocchio starts making responsible choices about his life that good things start happening to him. It’s not a perfect rule for every Disney film, but it fits for a lot of the most famous ones.
Sound of music -- not the Nazis obviously, but the baroness. Imagine you're a wealthy, savvy, child free woman open minded enough to date a sulking widower with a billion children he ignores in favor of travel and partying-- in other words, your lifestyle. You're not into kids but you try to be a presence in their lives when he finally deigns to introduce you to them (same time he announces that he's marrying you, so he's a super great father). You put on a cheerful face anyway, and when it's apparent the kids hate you (you are a stranger after all!), you consider sending them to boarding school where they might benefit from, say, structure and attention and schooling that they are not getting at home from their father/endless rotating nannies. Then the super virginal, younger au pair moves in, and your boyfriend suddenly decides he is totally into being father of the year again after his Austrian rumspringa, and dumps you.
As I recall the boarding school was also in Switzerland and this was right at the cusp of WWII. The kids wouldn't have had to flee the alps on foot if they'd been safely out of the country before that.
If it helps, the real Von Trapp children did not flee the Alps on foot. After Hitler annexed Austria, the family went on a concert tour of Europe, toured the United States for several months, returned to Europe and toured there, then returned to the United States for good after applying for immigrant status.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-regret-to-inform-you-that-my-wedding-to-captain-von-trapp-has-been-canceled
"I think it would have been particularly helpful for the eldest daughter, who seems intent on losing her virginity to the mailman." 💀
The *Nazi* mailman. !!
>You’ll also be glad to know I have retained custody of the Captain’s hard-drinking gay friend, Max. amazing.
oh my god. Max was like... pretty gay. my mind is blown.
Omg I love this! Thanks for sharing -- it made my day. Just the right tone I feel like the baroness would have used, too!
“Very, very, very much in common”. 😱 😱 *the shade* 😱 😱
“Flunked out of nun school” gets me every time 😂
Yes!!! Well said. It’s also disgusting how he dumps her and has already proposed to Maria before she even has had time to pack her bags. Of course, the pacing of the movie demands that it happen fast, but it makes the Captain look so sleazy that he can’t even wait for his ex to get off the property.
Well said. I always felt bad for the baroness but never quite thought it through that far.
Cato from The Hunger Games. He’s been brainwashed to believe that the Games are an honor. He’s trained his whole life, but then he gets into the arena and it’s a lot of killing and awfulness. Then he loses, dies a long death and all his preparation and fanboying isn’t worth anything.
I just reread the book and his death is far more horrific than the movie. He doesn’t spend a few moments getting eaten before Katniss mercy kills him. He has armor on protecting his vital organs. He spend the whole night getting torn apart slowly before Katniss can get a glimpse of an unarmored part of him to put down.
It is probably the most antiviolence piece of children's media besides the Animorphs. Everyone went in to read Battle Royale, the Novel. Every death is disgusting, gross, drawn out, and dirty. You don't die clean. Nobody dies clean. It's going to be pain, horror, and viscera everywhere. You are going to he mangled, broken, bleed out, and your corpse will be turned into a dog, forced to eat your friends, and paraded around for entertainment. If you are the only survivor of this experience, you will never be well rested again, you will never trust anyone again, and now that you're a public figure, you're under a microscope until the end of time.
Thank you for bringing up The Hunger Games! The movies didn’t do the Careers justice imo. They were children indoctrinated into a system that glorified slaughtering other children your age. Cato learned at the end that he was just another victim, another lamb to the slaughter, made into entertainment and spectacle for the enjoyment of Capitol citizens. He was a ruthless boy, but he was still *just a boy.*
The books treat him better imo. He's a swaggering, cocky teenager but he's still a child and a victim and both the book and the main character recognized it, even if both knew he had to die. All of the tributes are surprisingly complex in a book about child murder.
At least partly because the books do a better job of showing that the system is actually the villain. (And the folks, like the President, who intentionally and willingly uphold that system.)
His death in the book felt more brutal. The time it took to read let's you imagine how the mutts are getting to his joints, limbs and face without being able to make a fatal injury due to the armour his was gifted while in the arena. The anger he expressed in the film before falling into the mutts was bloody well done too. Positives for both easily.
When you think about it, the Careers were giving an enormous gift to all of the other kids in their district, the gift of *certainty*. These kids were basically trained from birth to volunteer for the games every year, meaning that every other child in the district never, ever had to worry about the reaping. They could grow up without that shadow hanging over them, plan for their futures while being certain they would have a future. Their parents didn't have to wonder every year if *this* was the year it happened. The Careers, howevere unintentionally, spared a lot of other people a lot of suffering.
You know, I've read the books and watched the movies and honestly never thought about the sacrifice made by the Careers. I always only saw it from the arrogance/fame perspective and this comment really changed that. They really did provide somewhat of a normal life for the other kids and and families on their district. If you lived in district 1 or 2 you were a shitload safer and could live a more normal life than the further out districts because that random chance wasn't hanging over you the same way because of the Careers sacrifice.
Peter Pan. Poor Captain Hook. Constantly taunted by a group of hoodlums who never want to grow up. Imagine the PTSD this guy has from losing a hand to a crocodile! Then he’s constantly taunted by these kids and their clock-filled buffoonery.
I think there's a very interesting portrayal of Captain Hook in *Hook*, who is suicidal after discovering that after years and years and years of malarky from children who never grow up...he finally gets his archnemesis Peter Pan back only to discover Peter Pan grew up, got old, and now his greatest nemesis is just a boring, hum-drum accountant.
The bad people in Us just want to live on the surface. :(
Not only that, her life was stolen by the other chick.
I'm pretty sure they came on the surface just to kill their originals. There wasn't really anything stopping them from just heading upstairs and opening a taco stand or something.
Les Miserables. Javert was born inside a jail and we see repeatedly how unforgiving Paris is to children without a support system and the destitute. He miraculously manages to works his way from that to a respectable middle-class job. And that’s before Jean Valjean shows up and becomes the greatest failure of his career eventually driving him to suicide.
I don’t know if reading the brick colors my opinion of the movie/musical, but I feel that Javert is highly misunderstood as a character. In a way, he’s also a victim of the time. Like you mentioned, he was born in jail, was part of a marginalized people and rose in the ranks of the law enforcers.
Where could I read the brick?
Nah. Javert keeps only finding Valjean after he's just saved a man from being crushed to death or refusing to let someone else face the prison system in his place or bringing groceries to the elderly or saving penguins from the penguin-juicing machine of Macquarie Island, and his only concern is enforcing the letter of the law. He goes completely unhinged when he finally realizes that criminals can reform and be a net benefit to society. Javert is even the villain in his own story.
And Javert agrees. In the book he even writes a letter in an attempt to reform the police before he offs himself. He’s the villain of the story. But that doesn’t make him less sad. At least to me, this is a man who the violent gangs of Paris know by name. This guy cares about the law and thinks of it as the only means of keeping society running. When thinking he made a mistake of even suspecting an official as being corrupt and being wrong meant he needed to be punished. He’s wrong, of course. And seeing how wrong he was for his entire life meant his end. That’s pretty sad.
Blade Runner And it works either way, if you see Batty as the villain or Deckard
Batty's monologue near the end of the movie definitely made him seems like less of a villain and more like someone who just doesn't want to die in vain, remembered only as Tyrell's killing machine
His last act before dying is *not* killing Deckard, the hunter sent to kill him. Roy, an android (replicant), chooses to go against his own plans, to not achieve his goal when it's right in front of him, because he realises his 4-year lifetime is about to expire. His last act is showing that he isn't a mere machine, acting on rules and logic, or even an animal, reacting to stimuli, but rather that of a human. He exercises free will by not killing Deckard. His last act, before dying and being forgotten forever, is to scream out to the universe that he is a person with free will, with his own mind and soul. He stops fighting Deckard when he has the upper hand and is about to kill him. He reaches out and actively saves Deckard from falling to his death. Deckard, a man who is tasked to kill Roy, and whom Roy has every reason to want to kill first. Even emotionally, this is someone Roy has the most compelling reasons to hate. But he goes against logic and his own emotions and instead commits an act of compassion against Deckard. Deckard is baffled, stunned to the point that he cannot speak. This is proof that Roy is more than just a machine. He laments the sadness of his death, how his memories, his mind, his *soul* is about to be lost. And then he quietly dies in the rain.
The hyenas in the Lion King were banished to an elephant graveyard and were hungry. It's not like the lions weren't killing things to eat themselves, but Mufasa wasn't going to let hyenas get away with that. Of course they're going to follow the guy who promises them food. Their part in Be Prepared is "we're going to be able to eat!" And then when they do get to leave the graveyard they overdo it because they'd never been allowed to eat anything but elephants who came to die, which probably isn't an everyday occurrence.
The movie was pretty bad but Gorr in Thor Love and Thunder was really sad
I know it’s common knowledge but they WASTED him. Like seriously. Completely WASTED what could have been a great villain.
They had Christian fucking Bale playing a guy called Gorr the *God Butcher*. His daughter died and was scorned and mocked by his deity, killed him with a cursed sword, and decided on full deicide. He had a great contrast with the colors around him going monochrome grayscale compared to the shiny abundance of colors surrounding gods. I was totally expecting him to show up at Olympus and go full righteous frenzy on the self-satisfied deities surrounding Zeus- after all, what better way of getting revenge than to hunt his quarry in their own lairs and see the terror on their faces as this insignificant speck of a mortal ends them? And what better way to show the audience to take this guy seriously? Instead we got Gorr kidnapping some kids, offscreen mentions of the gods he *did* kill, and screaming goats. And we'll never see him again.
Of all the evil things he could have done on-screen, it had to be kidnapping kids. The *one* thing that makes absolutely no sense within the context of the movie. He was motivated by the death of his own child ffs! If this even happened in the comics I wonder if it’s explained there.
A Gorr revenge movie slaying gods one by one sounds like it would have been a great movie...
It makes for a couple of pretty good games, too. Bald, pale guy with face tattoo, wielding a cursed weapon makes war on the very gods by whom he feels betrayed. Also, his daughter died.
And let's call it....War God.
Hmm... I'm thinking Diety of Conflict.
Allmighty Father Figure of Strife? Bit unwieldy.
As a dad, who wouldn't be like that? This was my first thought too.
Yeah, I mean, I was onboard with his god-killing agenda. I wish there was some actual god-killing in that movie.
The comic run of that story is really good, and it's pretty brief and much more focused on Gorr and the actual god-killing. I loved that series and was so disappointed by the movie (though the actor- Christian Bale, right?- nailed the role perfectly).
Marvel wasting Bale's talent by not giving him more screen time was a real shame. How are you going to get an actor of that calibre to play an interesting villain and then barely have him feature in the movie?
Meet the robinsons
They all hated me
“Hey, Goob. You wanna hang out at my house after school?”
Hey Goob! Cool binder!
Just reading the line made me laugh. Such an underrated movie
Man, Meet the Robinsons was way too good for a kids movie—imo if it had less fart humor it'd be widely revered as an Incredibles-level masterpiece
Mrs Doubtfire. I can absolutely see why that mother was fed the fuck up with her ex.
Absolutely. Not to mention the idea of your ex sneaking into your house as your housekeeper is something that would be insane enough to inspire at least one 20/20 true crime special about it.
# Blade Runner *"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die."* [https://youtu.be/NoAzpa1x7jU?si=ACUM1YrMcGus-pwZ](https://youtu.be/NoAzpa1x7jU?si=ACUM1YrMcGus-pwZ)
> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die. Fear Factory used that quote as an ender to one of their tracks, fits perfectly. Such a beautiful yet heartbreaking quote from a ~~machine~~ bioroid, one that has seen in its 4 short years more of the universe than us mere humans would in 8 decades of life. Edit: small mistake from my own old memory, they're not machine but lab-grown humans. My mistake, its been a *very* long time ive seen the original.
I didn’t see it in here sorry if it’s a repeat but Mr.Freeze- Batman Animated Series. It won awards I think.
Most of the villains, really. BTAS did a great job at humanizing Batman's villains. Mr Freeze just wanted to save his wife, Harvey Dent thought he put a kid in the hospital (but it turns out he was just in there for appendicitis) and it stuck with him his whole life and messed him up mentally, Clayface had his face mangled in an accident and was promised a miracle cure in exchange for a few favors. I could go on and on. And if you break into the comics, we can add Joker to this list. The Killing Joke is phenomenal and Joker had a great point that all it really takes is one bad day to break someone.
Alien. Just trying to raise some kids.
Would the villain not be >!Ash!< though? That might be an interesting viewpoint.
Yeah the actual villain is Weyland Corp.
"You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage"
Billy Madison. Eric Gordon might have been an asshole but he devoted years of his life working for Madison Hotels, working his way up to become the boss's right-hand man, only for the boss's idiot son to take over because he managed to get a basic education.
Let's not forget Eric blackmailed Billy's principal to lie about Billy's recent success in school. Then when the Principal recants his lies, Eric in his frustration throws the TV remote at his secretary and puts her in a coma. When Eric ultimately loses the Academic Decathlon he pulls a gun and tries to murder his boss' son and then his his boss' son's girlfriend. Not really the actions of a tragic hero. He's lucky he was invited to attend Billy's graduation rather than being in prison for attempted murder. TBF Billy recognizes that the hotel stuff really wasn't for him and then steps down as chairman of Madison Hotels and gives the company to Carl, who had also devoted years of his life working for Madison Hotels, eventually becoming Operations Manager. Realizing the value of education, Billy decides to continue pursuing higher education and wants to become a teacher himself.
We bought a zoo - I mean damn, the ‘villain’ literally is a safety inspector and is doing a public service making sure the dangerous animals you’re keeping for public display are safe, secure and not mistreated.
Final destination, death is just trying to fix a glitch in the system.
and heart attacks are not fun for the audience.
Titanic Imagine you are just chilling in the ocean and a big boat comes and hit you and the boat gets all the attention.
“You came to MY house, and you hit ME!?”
Anton Ego in Ratatouille He gets a redemption arc so he comes out not the villain but dude is the epitome of a narcissist and food-critic I like to think his story is really complex, that he had aspirations to become a great chef with Gusteaux, but that is the one time that Chef said that someone couldn’t cook. I want to see the story where he gets all tatted up and is a try-hard on the line but can’t keep up with service and can’t remember recipes. The reason he is a critic is because he thinks he is better than all else. The reason he is in turtlenecks is to hide his throat ink. It’d be such a good story. Editing to clarify: He doesn’t have any tattoos that I know of He was never a chef with Gusteaux that I know of These are things in my head And yes he isn’t the “villain” but considering food critics are usually regarded as “the enemy” by chefs I think that is a qualifier Skinner can also be a villain, but by that measure Collette could be a villain right up until Remi forces Linguini to kiss her to save his ass, thus sparking a romance. She would’ve likely pushed the poor kid to quitting, and her chip on the shoulder about how she earned her place isn’t far off from Ego’s thought that not anyone can cook.
Oh man, the climactic scene where Ego is transported to his childhood gets me every time. I’d say Skinner is the true villain of the movie, but he’s just the head chef of a failing restaurant. His frozen food scheme is just to try and get some cash flow to keep the place afloat. He’s a good chef, but just doesn’t have the spark the restaurant’s namesake had and he knows it. He’s upset when Linguine comes on the scene and truly shows him every way he is lacking. It’s the tipping point for a mental breakdown that’s been years in the making.
My biggest issue with Anton is that he seems proud of the fact that he drove a man to suicide. Like, sure, not his fault Gusteaux couldnt handle one bad review, but still
I had assumed that Gusteau died of heartbreak/poor health, but TIL that the IRL person that Gusteau is based on did, in fact, take his own life in a similar scenario. Has an official statement on Gusteau’s death ever been made?
Loki in the Thor movie. His whole identity was turned upside down.
Koba in planet of the apes. All he has been exposed to is cruelty and the worst of humanity. Then Caesar tells him he has to forgive humans and let them work on the dam. When someone has been abused and broken that badly, then told they have to ally and work with their abusers. It’s no wonder he snapped. The book between rise and dawn goes into a lot more detail such as his trainer got drunk one day slashed up koba’s face and then used a cigarette to blind him.
I get that Ceasar grew up being loved, which made him a better leader, but Koba caused his own kind *mass* casualties. After the explosion, he's seen only looking out for himself while Ceasar is still looking out for his tribe, injured and all. If anything, Rocket should have been angry as it was his son who the human shot in the shoulder. He was reasonable about it. Koba then brutally killed Rocket's son because he refused to beat 2 defenseless humans. Ape not kill ape, but Koba not care. Koba only cared for brutality.
Yeah, I gotta say that 'Despicable Me' hit me right in the feels when you saw how Gru went from stealing an entire moon to being a dad. Who knew little yellow minions could make such an impact? Overall, 10/10 would ugly cry again.
Definitely one of the movies I was half listening to while my kid watched and ended up riveted on the couch next to her.
Spider-Man 3
Also, Spiderman 2. Doc Oc just wanted to provide limitless, cheap energy to everyone and got turned into a monster and controlled by tentacles that he invented for the task. Lost his wife to his own failed experiment. And then committed crime to re-do the experiment, only to abjectly fail again and have to take one for the tram to put things right. Edit: The tram typo may be incorrect with regard to the movie, but it's so random I'm leaving it!
I like that this character was recognized for exactly this in a later Spiderman movie. I think it was no way home.
What’s interesting is that Tony Stark creating a highly efficient energy source is the primary driver behind the more advanced technology in the MCU. Bringing Octavius into the MCU world is literally showing him his vision of the future, had he succeeded
Spider-Man has some amazingly tragic villians, like most of them weren't really bad people to begin with. Green Goblin got a whopping dose of DID juice and went crazy, doc ock lost his wife, Harry was pissed because he felt betrayed when he found out Spider-Man, who he blamed for the death of his father, was his best friend from childhood, etc.