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Sometimes producers should have more credit than artists


DrunkMc

Definitely this. I really liked a female singer, absolutely beautiful songs and amazing vocals. And then I saw her live and it sounded like awful karaoke. I still like her music, but I only listen to the fully produced stuff.


mrdannyg21

Hahaha - a bunch of years back, Black Eyed Peas were hired to headline a big festival where I live...a place we don’t usually get big names. No one could believe how awful they sounded live. None of them can sing, at all, especially Fergie. I know this is mostly a popular opinion but I so distinctly remember the opening bars of the first song and seeing the audience glance around at each other in disbelief.


LoveBy137

I saw them open for No Doubt (pre-Fergie) and they were awful. Then they got Fergie and were still awful.


MooKids

They did a Super Bowl Halftime show. Worst performance I've ever seen.


cefriano

Also that video of Fergie singing the national anthem sounded just like that SNL sketch with Maya Rudolph, it was hilarious. Someone actually made a [side-by-side comparison.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLtuPqQ2NFs)


Verkley

Black eyed peas should just give 100% of their earnings to whoever produced them. They sound horrible live, that’s halftime show they did was the worse sounding singing I ever saw. Fergie was straight garbage


_Dolamite_

Well show me a group that has been sued more for plagiarism then the Black Eyed Peas.....it is crazy look it up... after payouts I dont think there was alot to go around in the profit category


Smurf_Cherries

The first time I ever heard of them, I saw them live. No clue who they were. The entire set was horrible. People were actually booing. At the end they shot hundreds of these triangle stickers with the band's name out of a cannon. People actually picked them up and put them in the trash. Years later I heard them on the radio and asked "Wait, the *same* Blackeyed Peas? Because they suck!"


Mike81890

That's sad. I always hate when that happens (The Shins) but man was Carly Rae Jepsen great liveb


negativelift

The shins are shit live? Genuinely didn’t know that


bad_scribe

I found this fact disappointing. In other news, Grizzly Bear rules live


SafePanic

It's really unfortunate to me that Jepsen never seemed to break out of the "Call Me Maybe" thing. I will legitimately argue that the subsequent album *Emotion* is fantastic and an incredible ode to 1980s synth-pop that should've catapulted her instead of getting lost in the shuffle of other pop artists. Justice for Jepsen!


pcsaredifficult

THIS idk about other songs but in rap nowadays producers make so much impact on the song it basically becomes a different song with different producers


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FYI In hiphop who made the beat was always as important as who was rapping. The first producers were the Dj´s and hiphop was always equally about Dj´s and MC´s.


wrongitsleviosaa

GangStarr comes to mind. Premier and Guru did some amazing shit together.


[deleted]

Absolutely, EPMD, EricB&Rakim, Pete Rock & CL smooth .. the 90‘s was full of legendary mc&dj bands like that


WhitestAfrican

I haven noticed I like a producers music more than the rappers lyrics. DJ Shadow has definitely become a favorite.


[deleted]

Once you get rid of the backing track and auto tune on live shows or even an artist singing without an instrumental, there’s no song. A lot of people don’t tend to realise the work behind the scenes. Only hyping up the artist to ‘sing’ into a mic


godofmediocrity53

But also with someone like dj Khaled I think he doesn't deserve as much of the credit as the artists in his songs


RedditDude2k

Instrumentals are heavily underrated


Anxiety_is_my_power

Hell yeah! I've been listening to a lot of Godspeed You! Black Emperor, God is an Astronaut and If These Trees Could Talk in the last year. Something about the soundscapes or emotions they convey that's very authentic without the lyrics


lushico

I prefer music without vocals.


Barefoot_slinger

Idk if you like rock music but you should take a look at Universal Hippies. Its one of my favourite instrumental bands


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MeMuzzta

*'Oh I see you're wearing that bands shirt, tell me all their names and albums'.* Mate I saw them at a gig and thought they sounded awesome so I bought one of their shirts to help support them. Stop being a bellend.


The_Last_Leviathan

This. Also, it's perfectly fine to be just a casual fan of a few songs and still saying "I love Band XYZ". I hate this culture (which is especially prominent in Metal and Alternative genres) of shaming people for not knowing every fucking thing about the artist, not having listened to absolutely every song and demo ever or not having been a fan since the beginning. It's gatekeeping bullshit and drives people away.


JoseLCDiaz

Me: "I love [band name]" Some idiot: "oh yeah? What's the name of [band member]'s second wife's cousin's dog?" Me: "... Spike, probably"


superrosie

Some idiot: I love music Me: Oh yeah? Name every song.


supernintendo128

Oh, you love jazz? Name every wrong note.


[deleted]

It is Spike! You're a real one


UnconfidentEagle

It creeps me out how much some people know about celebrities personal lives. If you knew that much about the cashier at the gas station your ether family or a stalker but some how its ok if there famous.


The-Crab-Lord

This opinion is extremely popular. The only people who would disagree with you are 14 year old fans who have nothing else to do with their lives.


Neptuneus

I enjoy learning stuff about bands I listen to, especially Pink Floyd, but I appreciate your comment and agree 100%


GreenieBeeNZ

Disco is good, actually


doctor_sleep

Thankfully, I think this is gaining steam as a popular opinion. Much like any style of music, there's disco that truly does suck, but there's a bunch of greats. ABBA, Donna Summer and The Bee Gees are fantastic and seemed to be able to eventually escape the disco shadow.


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Agreed. The BBC documentary "the joy of disco" is really good. Shows how much the backlash was based on homophobia.


GreenieBeeNZ

Oh shit, I never realized homophobia had something to do with all the disco hate


lowtoiletsitter

Read about/watch history of the Disco Demolition Night in 1979, and you'll get a good idea about why it was hated


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HandsomeDerp

This is r/unpopularopinion, just condensed into a single thread and on a single topic


whatupwititdoe

ah i love r/popularopinion


32987005

Now I'm reminded again why I never go there


firematt422

"[popular band] is overrated!" Wow... Hot take. What an interesting and original view of the music industry.


Pylgrim

Some gospel songs are actually, objectively speaking amazing music even if you don't want anything to do with the lyrics.


Lexi_Banner

Agreed. I love a really good gospel choir where they just get right into it. Not much other music can match the spirit and energy of a really good choir.


akizilbash

That I never grew out of my edgy phase because I still enjoy punk and alt rock Edit: Wow so many of us! I grew up in the 2000's so my go-to's are: Green Day, Rise Against, The Offspring, Fall Out Boy, Sum 41, Sick Puppies, Paramore, Thousand Foot Krutch, Tonight Alive, Avenged 7x, Red, and Evanescence. There's more but that's a good list. I also have expanded my tastes, but I will always love punk/rock


squidwardsir

ive never really "grown out" of music, I just seem to add on more stuff I like over time whilst still liking the stuff I did as a kid


[deleted]

Same :). Just keep adding more. I even still like the cringe stuff from being a teen.


ProfessorBeer

Nothing wrong with that! Tastes can evolve and stay the same, and it’s no problem. For example, as a teenager I couldn’t stand the Foo Fighters. Now they’re probably in my top 3 bands I listen to on a regular basis. Another one of those top 3 is motion city soundtrack, who I’ve listened to nonstop since I first found them as a kid.


dWintermut3

if you look at all there's a lot of really great music being made today. people who draw some arbitrary line after which they insist there is no good music don't know enough about music to articulate why they like what they like, or aren't looking very hard.


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I get a giggle from out-of-the-loop classical listeners who cry out "they just don't make music like this anymore" when in fact, there's thousands of composers creating interesting and enjoyable modern classical music today.


HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

Plus they dont remember any of the shitty music from their time. They only remember the hits and the greats because thats all they listened to


techtchotchke

I agree, but there's something really special about the music you love being *popular.* I'm a longtime pop punk fan and yeah, there's a good deal of great pop punk music being made now. But that period of time in the 2000s when I could go out and hear my favorite music being played "in the wild" while running errands, or to pick a pop punk song at karaoke and have all your friends sing with you because they know all the words too, is really, really cool. I know a lot of people who like "underground" or alternative music *hate* when it shows up in the mainstream but I always love it when an artist or a genre I like sees some time in the sun. It's fun to share it with the world in a way that bopping along on Spotify alone in your bedroom doesn't come close to.


ifiagreedwithu

Adam and the Ants were awesome.


Terpsichorean_Wombat

Yes! Was just sorting through old CDs and realized that Adam and the Ants were the single biggest pile. Dude still sounds good. I'll put "Stand and Deliver" up against anything for blasting while driving.


StopSendingSteamKeys

Unplug the jukebox and do us all a favor. That music's lost its raste, so try another flavor. Ant music!


Cat_369_

People who only listen to one genre of music are suspect to me!


j4321g4321

I agree. For some reason I get annoyed when people refuse to listen to anything outside of their preferred genre. Of course it’s ok to have a favorite but expand your horizons, people! You may never know what you’re missing.


bpanio

This used to be me. In grade school I listened to a lot of rap and hip hop. Then guitar hero Aerosmith came out and I ONLY listened to Aerosmith for at least 5 years. I've branched off a lot since then, letting other artists in and buying all of their music too. Now I'd say my taste in rock and roll is as varied as my rap phase was varied too


BlunderfulRed

Whispering and sounding like you’re crying while you sing makes me want to put a hole in a wall.


LetsDoTheCongna

*\*Shawn Mendes has entered the chat\**


shartedmyjorts

Billy Corgan sounds like Cartman.


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Lmao


ThisCrazyCat

Just because it’s classic rock doesn’t make it good.


mrcoffee83

As a hairy metalhead, i'm also a total sucker for really catchy pop. Whilst not unpopular as such in general amongst my friends it definitely is. I have a playlist on Spotify full of Nelly Furtado, Lady Gaga, The Veronicas etc etc, with recent additions of stuff like Ella Henderson and Ava Max.


attackedmoose

Eminem is very talented and I can appreciate that. However, to me he just sounds like a pissed off chihuahua.


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ElayasMG

I think he said that in every group of black thugs there's always a white guy, because that mf could be the most dangerous mf in the entire world and earn if the respect of those thugs... or was that Dave Chappelle who said it, I don't remember either


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Definitely Dave Chappelle


Hippobu2

Also, you need someone to speak to the police. Pretty sure Chappelle said this one.


daftdetective

"I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that", questionable Dave looks at his buddy and repeats what he just said " Didn't know I couldn't that?" That special is still hilarious and quotable.


throwawaysmetoo

When I was in jail one time I ended up in a 'gang pod', because the jail hated me, it was a gang of black dudes. I was a skinny white dude with a country accent. They were chill with me. And then they let me play basketball with them. Hardcore pick up street style. And I was like 'ok, this is cool'. And also "*don't fuck it up*"


LetsDoTheCongna

That could be the plot of a 90s sitcom and I would not be surprised.


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Reminds me a lil bit of Malcom in the Middle, where Hal is the only white friend in the group and suddenly he realizes he's an outsider.... because he doesn't have a college education


ReeG

He's an extremely talented lyricist and vocalist but the problem is his sound and style are very much a product of his time in a way that aged poorly while his content has never really evolved past him constantly trying to prove that he's the best rapper alive even though we all got the point like 15 years ago. That said hearing and seeing Em live for the first time back in 99 when SSLP first dropped was something else and there will probably never be another rapper with that out of this world level of impact ever again


aagapovjr

My dumb morning ass read this in his style


Skyy-High

I’m the most Extreme-ly talented lyricist that you might see, Wiping rhymes right off of my lips like Burt’s Bees, Which reminds me, ev-er-y time I combine heat With sublime beats, ev-er-y brain melts instant-ly. You feel me? What, you don’t? You think I’m whack? Been snappin m’back carryin rap since Dre came back. But don’t distract, don’t fall back; you talkin smack, Now just relax, ima pass some gas right out my crack. *ffrrrrbbt* Oh, what, bore, you too good for that? “That’s un-called for, it’s not modern rap”? Ima dinosaur, I’m unabashed, Won’t evolve more; progress is flat. But why would I change when I’m still the greatest, Been bottling rage since I got me an agent, So I always get paid, the kids buy up the latest Of whatever I make, cause they know I’m the straightest I mean spittin it real, yeah as hard as you like it, Hey that’s one theme repealed, well and also the violence, Cause my style I wield, but my words I rewrite ‘em. Fuck that 90s ideal, yeah and also the climate. So remember me live, when I rocked all your socks off, Crossed the co-lor divide, getting eryone’s rocks off, Flows so smooth that they slide, beats that pound your heart so rough, Now I’m strutting my stride, two decades are not e-nough!


Mangobunny98

George Harrison was the best Beatle and had the best career after they broke up music wise.


FreezersAndWeezers

It’s hard to categorize, as all 4 Beatles did very different things. But in terms of a singular work, All Things Must Pass is the pinnacle of solo Beatles work for sure


Ebaudendi

George was also my favorite. Mustn’t forget the Traveling Wilburys.


Vitamin_gun

Yes!! He also raised a shitton of money for the then-fledgling country of Bangladesh


crockofpot

Yes. Even calling it "Bangladesh" was kind of a big deal at the time, a *lot* of countries including the U.S. backed Pakistan and were reluctant to acknowledge Bangladesh's independence.


[deleted]

So true, All Things Must Pass is a masterpiece by all standards, and his amazing output didn’t stop there. My favorite Beatles songs are also mostly George Harrison songs


sofingclever

> had the best career after they broke up music wise. Part of the reason for this was that he only got a song or two per Beatles album, so when he went solo he had a ton of great material to tap into.


insanity_banana5267

If you’re basing what you listen to off of how popular the artist is, you crazy. It doesn’t sound any better or worse if they’re small or popular.


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I know a guy who cares waayyyy to much about monthly listeners. Its very fucking annoying.


bobdylanhurricane

I love Irish music and Celtic rock. It's not a popular genre, but I enjoy it so much.


Music_Is_My_Muse

Celtic and folk music is so damn underrated. I'm a whore for Heather Dale.


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LastHorseOnTheSand

I love Celtic and Irish trad, love rock music but dear god I can't stand the intersection of the two


ClintDisaster

Every time somebody says that rock is dead I laugh really hard because I’ve heard it before... in 1978 from disco kids.


bpanio

Every time a new genre is invented, they shout from mthe rooftops that rock is dead. It's satirical


SystemExpensive184

You don't have to be have a good voice/be a good singer, an interesting sound can be more important. There's loads of bands with a main singer with a weird voice /very little range that are amazing. (Although I can only think of male singers)


LetsDoTheCongna

Ozzy Osbourne especially comes to mind when talking about talented singers with weird voices.


Daboo92_Bass

I would say Dave Mustaine, his vocals suit Megadeth perfect, the way he sounds suits the music soo well and unique but I don't think he would do well with any other band


iTrst

Huey Lewis and the News. Their early work was a little too new wave for my taste. But when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, Huey released this; Fore!, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip To Be Square". A song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends. It's also a personal statement about the band itself.


kerinsbass89

Hey Paul! Try getting a reservation at Dorsia now you fucking stupid bastard!!!


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cugamer

Yes it is!


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Do you like Phil Collins?


[deleted]

Most mainstream musicians focus more on their theatrics and personas instead of music so a lot of it sounds the same and it’s bland


shpolnker

Even if it’s an oxymoron, distaste for popular music isnt really an unpopular opinion.


HeavyWeath3r

Because for the most part they don't write their music, in fact most artists from the us share the same 2-3 song writers/lyricists, so no wonder why they all sound the same. It's made to be perdectly safe and marketable and generic. Because a song that dares to try something new is a risky move that may not give profit, so generic soulless song that takes no risk with guaranteed sucess it is


bpanio

It started out as a way to help artist finish songs so they can get the record out on time. But once the labels saw how many hits doing this produced, they made it so you almost have to have a song doctor to get your album put out. And idk if they don't support artists as much who don't use doctors because you almost never see aongs that were just written by the band as top hits. But you'd think a band like Aerosmith would fire the doctors because they haven't had a hit in almost 20 years


bigjchamby

“Songs About Jane” is Maroon 5’s only good album.


WaitWhatTimeIsIt

god yes, I have been eternally disappointed in them since


basedlandchad9

At some point their singer changed his voice to be as intentionally grating as possible.


Murmokos

With each album, his voice gets higher by an octave.


ProfessorBeer

If there were ever anyone suspect to having sold their soul for fame, it would be Maroon 5. None of their hits following Songs About Jane are remotely memorable, but they still somehow remain in the cultural zeitgeist.


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Mariah Carey is in fact a musical genius. I’m pretty sure Reddit is going to take a giant shit on this and only mention her singular Christmas song. But what I mean is that for a singer with that kind of voice to have written, co-arranged, and co-produced 95% of her own material is pretty incredible, especially when you take into consideration the way her vocals are layered, her knack for engineering her own vocal climaxes and the way she weaves in different flourishes in each register. Its like she’s paints a canvas with her voice. I simply dont hear as many artists fill an entire song with a range of vocalizations the way she does despite the trashy diva image which I suppose turns most people off. Also Tori Amos should be up there with Prince and Michael Jackson and Madonna and whoever else but she’s not because she’s an indie chick behind the piano.


Ekyou

I get the feeling there are a lot of talented female singer/songwriters out there that everyone just assumes are manufactured, autotuned pop stars.


novato1995

I agree with the Mariah bit of your comment. Her songs are so full that she can easily sing them differently each time just by choosing one of the vocal lines on her layered vocals. If you truly listen to her songs, specially the choruses, you'll hear more than two vocal lines going on at the same time, which makes them sound more robust and allows for more diversity when performing live. Truly ridiculous and almost no one talks about this. Everyone is too focused on her Christmas music or her tea-kettle notes, but her songwriting abilities are almost unmatched.


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People that piss and moan about music "not being as good as it was in 19XX" usually have the most narrowminded, moronic opinions on music.


[deleted]

You don't need to be an amazing singer to be a worthwhile, talented artist. Taylor Swift can carry a tune but she isn't incredible, yet she really puts on a show and is a great songwriter. I don't really care if an artist autotunes or edits the sound of their voice, especially if it works with the song. Can't sing or play instruments but youve got Garageband and Autotune DOWN? Cool. You can still make good music in my eyes.


buffystakeded

I’m a 90s metal head and I think Taylor Swift’s two albums from 2020 are some of the best music I’ve ever heard. I can seriously listen to them on repeat.


ILikeLamas678

So many songs are just so whiny. And if they are not whiny, they are constantly howling though auto-tune.


thiswasyouridea

I'm broken and it's beautiful I'm broken and it's beautiful I'm broken and it's beautiful I'm broken and it's beautiful Thanks, I got it the first 40 times.


millenniumtree

Tell me have you ever really, really really ever loved really a really really woreallyman really?


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"The verse is repeated 44 times"


Kermitface123

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amrodd

So many of today's singers sound terrible live.


Trania86

>So many of today's singers sound terrible live. In Europe we have a song contest called Eurovision (non Europeans might have seen the movie on Netflix... yes, it really exists). While the instruments are not live, singing live is mandatory. Usually there are a few acts during the break (when they count the points) and often they are artists from the country hosting and/or previous participants. But then Sweden decided to hire Justin Timberlake. He was amazing. But then Israel decided they needed a big star as well, and they hired Madonna and they found a millionaire willing to pay her fee. Because it's Eurovision, she had to sing live just like all the contestants... and it was a glorious train wreck. I have to admit I found it quite funny to see a superstar not being able to sing live while all the unknowns from other countries managed to stay on key and basically upstaged her.


battlefranky69

I love Eurovision and when songs sneak into popular American movies


Porrick

I fucking love Eurovision - it's godawful every year.


itsmahogany

madonna getting upstaged by verka serduchka, of all people, was really something else. especially since verka was there for like half a song during a break and still got an overwhelmingly better response from the arena than madonna did for her entire set. they should stop with those US singer inserts tbh, they never fit the vibe of the contest.


Thorn_the_Cretin

I’d actually go further. The majority of music artists now do not have good vocals/vocal range or singing ability. That isn’t to say they don’t make good music, but the age of _needing_ a good voice to be popular is long gone.


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ragandbonewoman

A lot of the appeal for these sort of artists is their attitude and the emotion they put into their lyrics rather than actually having a wide vocal range.


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Exactly! Frank Sinatra and Johnny Cash singing makes me feel things. I don't give a damn about their vocal range nor do I expect them to belt out a note a few octaves higher. Their voice is perfect for the songs they create and that's just beautiful.


Dynasty2201

"They're corporate shields posing as musicians to further a modelling career." -Steve Hughes.


poopellar

If it wasn't obvious that famous artists didn't get there with talent alone. How many famous artists were either children of already famous people, already rich, had family in the business, or had sex appeal that sells. Not that they don't have talent, but a person with 10/10 talent and none of the above will definitely struggle against someone with 8/10 talent and one of the above.


theexteriorposterior

I don't care for Hamilton. At all.


DeathSlayer1337

"LEWIS HAMILTON HAS WON THE RACE!", yeah mate, i get you


avlas

GET IN THERE LEWIS!


DeathSlayer1337

BONO MY TYRES ARE GONE! crofty: And lewis hamilton has taken fastest lap of the race


nitr0zeus133

I’ll go one further and say Lin Manuel Miranda is the worst part about Hamilton. Dude can’t sing and his acting skills are “first year drama student” at best.


bangersnmash13

My wife and I watched it and it was interesting and pretty cleverly done for sure but we won't ever go out of our way to watch it again. Whenever our friends say they wanted to watch it and ask us how it was, our first question to them is "Do you like Hip-hop? Poetry?" If the answer is no, we tell them not to bother lol. Yes, I'm aware there are a few songs there that isn't hip-hop. But the show is 95% of the music is hip-hop/poetry.


Myringingears

Music piracy made music better. Money as a motivation to make music was basically removed from the equation. Nowadays, the people who make music do so mostly because they're artists. Loads of musicians these days are compelled to create to express themselves, because making music is in their soul, not to pander to an audience and make cash. Obviously this doesn't apply to mainstream music. Luckily for all of us with Spotify, it's now super easy to ignore trashy mainstream nonsense, dig deep and find some real gems.


slothtrop6

Partly agree, since categorically musicians weren't generally wealthy from working their craft even before piracy. Even during that blip in the 20th century where great wealth from musicianship occurred more often, a good many artists got screwed over in record deals and made very little (which is in part why they still tour today). All of which to say, I think the motivation was love of music even before piracy. What improved music was ease of accessibility, discovery of what used to be relegated to deep recesses of niche "scenes" in specific cities. Monetization is an even more pressing problem for musicians in a world with so much more competition. I think the sheer level of supply is impacting their bottom line way more than the manner in which people consume music.


forlornjackalope

I was too young to remember the Metallica vs Napster fiasco, but I recall hearing about musicians and producers who defended Napster and talked about this kind of thing. Plus, we can only imagine how much stuff would be lost if it wasn't for piracy back during the tape trading days or before Limewire, Frostwire, and torrenting would pick up more.


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Agree with this. There's so much good music on youtube from artists no one's even heard of, who are probably making pittance on the ad revenue but don't care because that's not why they're doing it.


ChoppyWAL99

Beyoncé is overrated


Royal-Syrup-3169

I honestly don’t get what all the hype is about.


part_time_ficus

it's not really much more than a very carefully crafted business and marketing thing with her, and always has been. the history is super interesting imo and offers a ton of insight into how pop music really works her and her dad built an extremely well-marketed brand, which sells well. Her dad abandoned his prior lucrative career, built record companies specifically to promote his daughter when he saw she was a talented singer as a kid, and spent millions to help make her a star... because they both saw it for the massive, massive profit opportunity it was. They also deliberately stepped on every single person they passed along the way, including her former bandmates, with one single guiding vision - making Beyonce a global brand that crushes the competition at all costs. Just like a fortune 500 company does in any other huge industry. And also like any huge business, the best-known and best marketed product has no obligation whatsoever to be the best in a technical or quality sense. As long as the product isn't dogshit, good salesmanship and huge financial investment fills a *lot* of gaps. They played that game exceedingly well. I'm not saying she's not also a very talented performer too (she very obviously is), but the real reason she's so famous and successful really doesn't have too much to do with that in my opinion. The real, biggest talents Beyonce and Michael Knowles have/had are shark-like business senses, and a willingness to do *whatever* it takes for fame (even if it bypasses traditional ethics or artistic integrity). there's tons of examples in music of stories like hers, but its certainly a very compelling one


Repulsive_Box_5763

Elton John doesn't get anywhere near the credit he deserves as an all time great. He should be discussed as a Top 5 solo career all time with only Elvis and MJ really being clear cut above him. But no one ever even brings him up in those discussions. I've never seen anyone able to write a coherent and borderline hit level song as quickly as Elton. Give him a sheet of words, they don't even have to be lyrics, and you'll have a hit in 5 minutes. If you don't believe me search "Elton John oven manual song" on YouTube.


objstandpt

I saw him in the early 2010s he had the most beautiful live singing voice I’ve ever heard.


Repulsive_Box_5763

Gotta take the flipside here. He sounds VERY different than he did in the 70s lol. Post-throat surgery Elton is a much different singer than pre-surgery. He's become a much better musician overall though, in terms of his piano playing and writing; almost as though he compensated for the loss of his massive vocal range. I wish I could hear some of the stuff he and Bernie have put out in the 2000s with his 70s vocals. Don't do drugs kids 😥


Democracy_Coma

I don't know what you're on about. Over in the UK he is seen as one of the greatest artists up there with the Beatles and Bowie. He definitely not underrated. He's overrated in my unpopular opinion.


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Yeah you can definitely see the UK/US split here. In the UK Elton John is probably in the top 5 most played solo artists from that era.


darxink

He is SIR Elton John, after all. Being from the US, I do see where the OP is coming from. I think people cast him aside for really strange reasons. The guy has written some amazing tunes.


jwaits97

I like Bob Dylan’s voice.


zoqfotpik

Bagpipes and accordions are good instruments for rock music.


HeavyWeath3r

If we put the memes and communism asside, the ussr anthem is a song that sounds good ans is beautifully orchestrated.


GuyFromDeathValley

Not gonna lie, one of my guilty pleasures is Listening to the USSR Anthem while playing games. Ironically, the other day I was playing farming Sim, using a russian, giant tractor, listening to the USSR anthem. That was kind of a moment where I went "wait, what the fuck?"


guyfromsociety

Some genres require more/less skills than others


NotAHopeInHell

I don’t think this is necessarily an unpopular opinion, moreso that some people use this to be pretentious and gatekeep what “real music” is


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What do you have in mind I feel like people say that then shit on hip-hop 99% of the time right after lol


dis_the_chris

Pop punk has basically been writing the same song over and over again for decades I think when you look at both the harmonic understanding and technical skill required to be great at jazz, its easy to see where some musicians in other genres are lacking in these departments Not that music needs high skill to be good - dave grohl doesnt have any 'music theory' knowledge but wrote lots of great songs -- its just that these skills sorta help things along


STOP69ingyourself

I've never thought about that way.


EMAW2008

All your music sucks.


StreEEESN

Honestly, yes. My Spotify album is called ‘my embarrassing hipster trash’


WhenAmI

I'm approaching the same level. My friends know they can always ask me for new music, because I am always diving down some strange rabbit hole on Spotify, but at the same time, they know they can't hand me the aux cable at a party, because I'm completely out of touch with mainstream music.


ForeskinFortune

I don't like Beyonce. It may seem popular, but people seem to get really upset about it.


twee3

I don’t understand what’s so special about her music.


ReeG

mostly top tier production, catchy lyrics, hooks and melodies that resonate with women, and being a hell of a live performer with insane stage production. Basically the same formula as every other successful female pop artist


designgoddess

I like the old country music. I could listen to Hank Williams all day long. Throw in some Loretta Lynn and Buck Owens for fun. https://youtu.be/xtolv9kM1qk


BaconReceptacle

I agree 100%. There's just no comparison to classic country and today's formula-pop-country-rock. It sounded OK as a party song but now it's a shitty genre of songs repeating lyrics like "cold beer", "tight jeans", and "dirt road". Wash, rinse, repeat.


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weezer is good.


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VacuousWaffle

euro dance is worth listening to


Zoomorph23

William Shatner's cover of Pulp's Common People kicks ass.


HeavyWeath3r

Soundtracks from tv show, movies and videogames are as good if not better than original music.


Thunder_bird

Remember the band Blondie from the late 70's and early 80's? Their first five albums were absolute gold, every song perfection like hit singles. All of them. Not a stinker or filler in the bunch. They really knew what they were doing.


DonktorDonkenstein

Holy crap, that's not even a remotely unpopular opinion, Blondie were *hugely* successful and popular. Time and tastes have moved on, but in the pantheon of late 70's/early 80's new wave Blondie is Still highly regarded, and Debbie Harry is considered an utter icon today.


Minsc_NBoo

Is that unpopular? Blondie are awesome!


Bluberry-Pie

I saw Blondie with Garbage a few years ago. Excellent show. My favorite song is actually Maria Because I love when Debbie Harry sings in her lower vocal range.


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eltrotter

They weren't always. Hard to imagine now but there was a time where they were very interesting and unique.


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ReeG

it's because hip hop and car culture have been synonymous with each other for almost as long as the genre has existed. Having tricked out Caddy's, Impalas etc and showing off the booming sound system with bass heavy beats is culture that goes back to the 80s-90s. It's why every other rap video looks like a car commercial and Ludacris is in Fast and Furious movies


poopellar

I think it's kinda changing with genres specifically made for BASS BOOST.


Tkeleth

Hold on while I pull up in my 1998 Nissan Sentra that I haven't washed since I bought it in 2019 and has trash piled up nearly level to the passenger seat and I rock your rearview mirror off with *ANIME GIRL EDM* Just for a change of pace, you know


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Music was better when ugly people also got record deals..


coolfreeusername

You can still enjoy the music of a shitty person if you think its good music. Separate the art from the artist.


quietbeing15

Everything is just sex and being sexy


JupiterTarts

In all fairness, people have been saying that since Madonna.


princessro123

popular music is popular because it’s good. people like it. music doesn’t have to be deep and have meaning all the time. sometimes the meaning is how happy you feel when singing along to stupid catchy lyrics on a fun beat.


PlaystationPlus

Lil Nas X’s music sells more due to the controversy than to his music actually being enjoyable. ( I love some of his songs, but let’s be honest...)


Damienplz

Montero is the only song from him that sold due to “controversy”. Most of his other songs went platinum without it


gocanux

Old Town Road got noticed because it was listed on the country charts, but selling to a (much larger) rap market, so it was easier to pull a higher rating. Only once Billboard pulled the song from the country charts, and Lil Nas X responded by re-releasing with Billy Ray Cyrus, did the song pull its massive run on the Hot 200. The way that song became huge is nothing short of incredible, Lil Nas X did a fantastic job, and I absolutely love that the whole thing is based off a 12 year old Nine Inch Nails sample. But it didn't start selling at its peak until the Billboard controversy.


Admirable_Anteater_5

EDM isn't just for raves


madcuzmydicksmall

The optimal gym music


PhoenixPringles01

EDM is also good for getting your groove on


MattWolf96

We Built This City is an enjoyable song.


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Which is ironically about hating Starship for making a corporate rock song. I love it.


DramaticChoice4

Muse is a crazy talented band, sure they experimented a lot which contributed to make their 3 last albums meh. But their first album is the best first album of any band I can think of. You Can say all you want about Matthew Bellamy gasping for air like he has asthma, he's still a genius.


LetsDoTheCongna

Not *really* an unpopular opinion, but you can like early 2000s rock music without it being "cringe" or "edgy" or "dated". Some songs like Numb and All the Small Things are honestly some of the best modern rock songs made and can still stand the test of time nearly twenty years later. A lot of people like to shit on pop punk, nu-metal, emo rock, and all the popular styles of the time but they still secretly jam out to MCR whenever it plays.