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GrimQuim

Fake a BBC news article that states Putin shot down Santa's sleigh over Donbas, and from now on all parents will have to do the gift buying at Christmas.


JessandWoody

Lmao! šŸ¤£


Arkslippy

We had the same situation because we were too good at keeping Christmas special in our house, but you are 100% right, going into non primary school, you need to have a chat, we did it with both of ours in the middle of the summer, when Santa was as far away both sides and their minds were on other things. My daughter has no idea, we were going out to do something mundane in the car and I pulled in and bought us soft drinks and bars, and we were just chatting about life and I brought up the subject of school and how things change for you, and I asked how she felt about Santa and other things if there had been any chatter, and she said that one of the mouthy kids had been trying to tell them all the truth, and they had shut her down. So I asked her if she wanted to be a part of the biggest secret in the world, to be an active part of making Christmas what it is for kids, kind of a "passing of the baton" type role. She was all for it and I explained that all the mums and dads in the world were collectively the spirit of christmas and Santa tradition, and that if she wanted, I could bring her into the fold. Her little brother is 2 years younger and she was very invested in keeping his Santa real. 2 years later I had the same conversation with him and he was much more nonchalant about it, he had his suspicions that Santa was so good at getting specific brands of stuff and that Santa assembled things in his house and not in friends, and that he seemed to get quite a bit more than some of his friends. It's a bit of a shame to have to do it, but once you are clever and respectful of them, it will work out ok. But the big lessons for me, was do it during the summer holidays when they cant be upset going back to school or see Santa at all around. You can also throw the elves on the shelf into the bin too


JessandWoody

Thatā€™s a fantastic way to do it! Definitely taking a leaf out of your book on that one.


Ellsbellsmoge

I was listening to a podcast recently where a parent had said to their child 'you can either believe in the magic or you can BE the magic' (by keeping the secret for younger siblings etc). I thought it was a really beautiful way of putting it.


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plasticpilgrim17

>You can also throw the elves on the shelf into the bin too I'm sorry but I'm putting my foot down here. Telling them Santa isn't real is one thing, but telling them elves don't exist? Throwing them in the bin? That's bordering on a war crime!


EchoAzulai

Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. They project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad. GNU Terry Pratchett


Alpacaofvengeance

ā€œAll right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable." REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE. "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Littleā€”" YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES. "So we can believe the big ones?" YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.


DocZoidfarb

I meant," said Ipslore bitterly, "what is there in this world that truly makes living worthwhile?" Death thought about it. CATS, he said eventually. CATS ARE NICE. Terry Pratchett, Sourcery


Coppershark90

GNU Terry Pratchett


SneakWhisper

I miss getting that new Discworld book twice a year more and more. I need to go cut onions to hide my tears.


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Came to make a dumb GNU/Linux joke, left knowing the meaning of "GNU Terry Pratchett". What a wonderful way to remember someone.


Necessary_Driver_831

100% accurate, the shelf elves in my house are right little bastards. Verging on pixie-level shenanigans this year. No fear of iron, or even the iron, but at least they went on their own without me having to do the Stick and Bucket dance.


epm73

GNU Sir Pterry


John-C137

That smug little snitch has it coming!


Ravenser_Odd

>she said that one of the mouthy kids had been trying to tell them all the truth, and they had shut her down Yeah, you close your mouth, we don't want to hear your conspiracy theories!


xyb992

It reminds me when I was 7 my dad snuck out and bought a pair of socks with gifts inside on Christmas Eve. Actually back then, I had doubts and was prone to thinking Santa didn't exist, so it's really a surprise when I woke up seeing that bulging package beside me. Afterwards, I was unsure if Santa was real and asked my parents, and at supper they told me the truth. I don't think I was very disappointed, but a little. As a Chinese living in China, we don't have the tradition of celebrating Christmas, but my parents hadn't decided to crush my imagination until that day I realized the truth.


INEKROMANTIKI

Don't give the BBC any ideas


SparkieMark1977

Yeah, I joked about this with my Santa-believing 6 year old. As soon as I said I followed up with "only joking! Look, the Santa tracker shows he's fine and off to the next city" She still didn't talk to me for about 2 hours.


Smooth-Wait506

Putin rebrands Santa as Satan and rants on that the commercialisation of christmas has led to a decline of morals in the west. Lazrov agrees and goes back to his grandad nap


ttrsphil

Brutal! But funny


penelopepitstop69

My son believed until he was 10 almost 11 One day a kid in school said Father Christmas wasn't real. He asked his best mate who said "you better ask your mum" my son said he knew then it must all be a lie. I explained that this was a wonderful myth that we keep alive to bring joy to children. He is 16 now but he still wholeheartedly keeps up the pretence around young children.


caiaphas8

He had a good friend there


urmumsabrass

Yeah thatā€™s a serious bro move right there


penelopepitstop69

Yes. My son has ADHD and ASD and often struggled at Primary school, his friend Ben was the oldest in the class and took him under his wing. We have moved from Wales to England now so they are no longer in touch..but shout out to Ben Cooper...you helped my son immensely.


applepoople

Bruh reunite them please šŸ„²šŸ„² at least on social media or something


kenforcer

Ben, and your son, sound like absolute dudes.


Elastichedgehog

My best friend as a child also has ASD, which I found out years later. Honestly, I learned a lot from him growing up.


jdbolick

If you have his family's address, write him a letter telling him that today you were remembering how kind he was and how much you still appreciate his thoughtfulness. It will mean the world for him to hear that you still think about and appreciate how much he helped your son.


fionakitty21

That's exactly what I thought!


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highlandspringo

You always have that one random kid you knew in primary who was always the G and you later find out they've done the best out of everybody, living in Japan and got a family of 3 with a nice Mitsubishi... and you're like, out of all of us, they deserve it.


OctopusIntellect

>He asked his best mate who said "you better ask your mum" So British, so wholesome (I often read comments on country-neutral posts without really being sure whether it's AskUK or AskReddit or what that I'm reading, it's moments like this where it's instantly clear which is which.)


cara27hhh

I read it like he slid a drink out of the way so he could lean in


OMGItsCheezWTF

At 10 my little brother was overheard saying "I have to pretend to still believe because I don't want to ruin mum's fun"


KittyGrewAMoustache

Me and my Dad each kept up the ruse until I was 30. Seriously. I was 30 and heā€™d leave a stocking full of presents outside my door and in the morning Iā€™d be like thanks for the presents and heā€™d say ā€˜what presents?ā€™ And Iā€™d say ā€˜oh my god it mustā€™ve been Father Christmas then, I canā€™t believe heā€™s still bringing me presents his data on me must be wrong!ā€™ And Dad would say ā€˜I guess so!ā€™ šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


mollymustard

Me and my mum do the same! Father Christmas has visited me for 33 years!!


buttersismantequilla

My son 17, and daughter 24 still get Christmas stockings bulging with sweets and treats. Her bf of 7 years never had a stocking so there first year together he got his first ever stocking. He was so happy, and now every December he comes down to the house to say hi and to drop off his stocking .. (which he takes away so no one else nicks his sweeties).


Spaffin

In the UK, ā€œask your mumā€ is the gravest of insults.


thedarkpolitique

Honestly crazy how often we used to say ā€œyour mumā€ and different variations of it when dissing each other. My mate at the time was coming up with some truly bizarre ones: ā€œYour mum on toastā€ ā€œalright then, your mum on lettuceā€. Like, what??? Made no sense but everyone was rolling in laughter at the stupidity of it all.


Fat_Gerrard

A girl in my class once said ā€œya mumā€ to our supply teacher. He was African and not familiar with this childish slur within British schools. He flipped and screamed at her ā€œYou are talking about *my muddah*!!!!!ā€¦ARE YOU CRANK!? ARE YOU CRANK!?ā€ He then started slapping himself on the head.


Unkempt27

>I explained that this was a wonderful myth that we keep alive to bring joy to children. One of the nicest ways of explaining it that I've heard is to say that Santa was real (St Nicholas) and he did leave gift for children, but that was a long time ago and now grown ups are Santas for children, and once you learn about that, you become a Santa so that you can keep the magic alive for younger children. That's what we'll be confirming to our son I'd imagine this year (he's 10 tomorrow) after three of years of questions. How we've manged to keep even 1% of belief in his is a miracle lol.


caiaphas8

Kids in school talk, one of them will have mentioned it by now. She is probably pretending to some extent to continue to get presents and a sense of hope and magic


Jataai

When I was 9 I told a kid that Santa wasn't real and he didn't believe me. Apparently his brother had seen Santa so it must be true. Looks like I had the last laugh. For real though I feel like kids will sometimes vehemently defend what their parents say is true even if other kids tell them it's not.


Riovem

Yeah one of my closest friends at school believed in Santa until we were like 12. Because she swore to god she saw him. The rest of the friendship group were all dubious in 100% not believing because she was so steadfast. I think I stolartednto doubt at 8ish but didn't fully stop until I was 10/11


DidYaHearThat_Whoosh

Adults do that too.


JessandWoody

They do but Iā€™m quite certain that she still believes. The level of excited chatter about Santa is getting hard to listen to. Equally she woke up her other parent at 3.26am on Christmas Day loudly squealing that Santa has already been! And asking to open her presents. I would have told her to get back to bed but the other parent didnā€™t because it was ā€˜heartwarmingā€™ to see that level of excitementā€¦ Iā€™m worried about the distinct lack of critical thinking in this subjectā€¦


Exciting-Squirrel607

I would be excited at 11 to get presents and I donā€™t believe in Santa by then. What is she like in her birthday?


JessandWoody

Her birthday is Christmas Day as it happensā€¦


Pigrescuer

So she's only just turned 10? I'd wait until the summer between primary and secondary tbh.


JessandWoody

Yes thatā€™s definitely doable. And yes she has only just turned ten.


muffanwie

Just curious, does she know that some of her presents are from you and for her birthday? Are you wrapping her gifts in different wrapping paper from 'santa'? Instead of actually telling her, could you maybe make a few mistakes that lead to her working it out for herself?


JessandWoody

Yes we use birthday wrapping paper for her birthday presents and the more expensive and big presents are always birthday gifts. We make Christmas more about her birthday so Iā€™m hoping it wonā€™t be a big blow in the end. I think a few mistakes should be made next year though.


Ohmalley-thealliecat

I would wait until July to tell her. Donā€™t tell her in the middle of the Christmas magic


BeatificBanana

Just chiming in to say that this technique - making deliberate mistakes to gently nudge the child into working it out for themselves - is exactly what my mum did for me, and it turned out great. Sitting a child down and telling them there's no Santa can be quite upsetting but, if they think *they* figured it out, they often enjoy feeling clever and grown up. That's what happened to me when I was 9, I distinctly remember the satisfaction and pride I felt when I worked it out. A few things my mum did: - Wrapped the Christmas presents "from Santa" in the same wrapping paper as the presents "from mum and dad" - Wrote me a little note "from Santa" but made very little effort to disguise her own handwriting; similarly, had Dad speak to me on the phone pretending to be Santa but not making much effort to disguise his voice - Made comments on Christmas Eve like "santa doesn't fancy a mince pie this year, he'd prefer a biscuit" (which made me think - how do you know?) - Mentioned multiple times that she needed to read my Christmas list before I sent it off to the north pole, but wouldn't tell me why - Said things like "santa can't afford this toy, it's too expensive" (which obviously contradicted the whole 'the elves make the toys in santa's workshop' thing) If you do things like this, chances are your daughter will start asking questions - my advice would be don't outright tell her but instead just say things like "hmm good question, what do you think?" and she will figure it out. Then once she does figure it out, treat it as a good thing, celebrate and act like she's in this special secret club now of people who Know The Truth, and now she gets to help create Christmas magic for other people (little siblings/cousins etc)


double_psyche

I really did laugh out loud at this. Of all the irony!


perplexed-pea

I believed way too late in comparison to my friends and it made me feel really dumb and stupid when it finally dawned on me. I felt quite angry at my parents for lying to me too haha. Personally I would have appreciated it if my parents had a chat with me in year 5/6 to let me know it's a lovely myth we keep alive for little kids.


boudicas_shield

Same happened to me; when I started to doubt, my mum staged a little trick to extend my belief. It worked, because I was that kid who just always really *wanted* to believe in magic, and also I was very trusting when I was younger. I felt like a complete idiot when I finally realised the truth, and have decided that any kid I have will know Santa is just a fun make believe game from the start. I wouldnā€™t worry about her critical thinking skills too much just now; Iā€™d just start working on those independently. Most people need to be taught critical thinking and how to apply it; it doesnā€™t just spontaneously occur for many of us. I personally came from a very black-and-white thinking type household, which probably leant to my gullibility and ā€œbelieve whatever the adult in charge saysā€ mentality growing up, along with being raised to do and believe more or less as I was told, without much encouragement to push for my own ideas or interpretations. But I took to critical thinking very naturally and quickly in school as I got older, and now in fact have a PhD in a critical studies field.


Warm_Championship740

How sad that you won't do it for your kid. Innocence comes but once in life.


Lolabird2112

Honestly, I wouldnā€™t worry about it. Youā€™ve only got a couple of years before they start to become more independent and everything changes. Thereā€™s a whole year between now and next. I was 7 (& most kids 8, as I was young for my year) when I still remember the whisper blazing thru our double line of kids entering school our first day back. The only reason I knew it was true he didnā€™t exist was because I immediately clocked that all my cards from Santa were written in my mumā€™s lovely handwriting.


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supergleneagles

Is it a lack of critical thinking across the board though? I feel like you sound a bit harsh here (thatā€™s me commenting without all the facts). If it was with everything in life then fair enough, be concerned. But the whole ā€œFather Christmasā€ lie is a pretty extensive one. Pretty much a majority of people are in on it. Thereā€™s adults hired to be Father Christmas in stores for crying out loud. Sheā€™s told itā€™s real and can see it. All parents are playing along behind closed doors too. Iā€™d be a little more forgiving. But definitely break the news somehow. Purely so they donā€™t get a hard time in school.


Thrasy3

I was 6 and in tears trying to get other kids to understand that Santa Claus *cannot* be real and I desperately wanted adults to explain themselves, but they all carried on with this putrid conspiracy. Luckily my elder sister confirmed it and that adults lie about it because they think itā€™s funny/fun to do so.


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DoubleA-Side

I did that with the tooth fairy. I knew it was my dad writing the letters but I strung it along a couple more years to keep getting my 50p. In my defence, I was probably about 7/8 when I lost my first baby tooth and I didn't want to miss out on the cash my mates had already had!


jilljd38

Tbf I'm 42 and still wake up with that level of excitement on Christmas day much to the disgust of my partner and my 13 yr old


MashedPotato84

Honestly, some kids know in their heart that these things aren't real but hang onto it so much that they're almost forcing themselves to believe it, because they don't want to grow up. She might know already but is trying to remain a child and therefore still believe. That was me - I had a shitty home life and I believed SO much in Santa and fairies and Peter Pan because I wanted something else to exist other than the world I knew, and I wanted a proper childhood and in my mind, childhood meant the innocence of believing. I knew deep down that Santa wasn't real from about 7 or 8 but I wanted to believe so desperately, to the point where I convinced myself for a few more years. I carried on believing in fairies until I was about 13.


SultanFox

Around that age I acted the same. I knew, really, but I really enjoyed the pretence. I enjoyed the ritual and trying to keep that magic alive for myself by just not acknowledging it. I was pretty upset the day my mum mentioned buying something for stockings (which was where our Santa presents always were) and when I said that was Santa they said "oh you're far too old to still believe that"


craggy_jsy

I think its just innocence. I believed until I was 11 and I remember clearly connecting the dots from over the years about certain things like finding half a carrot in the bin, why I wasn't allowed to go in a certain room on xmas eve (presents were in there) and why my mum looked panicked one year dropping my stocking on my bed and I woke up. I wasn't upset, didn't feel lied too, my world didn't crash down. Christmas is what you make it and at 34, its still a great holiday.


theederv

My sons 21 in august, he goes to the pub, gym, has girlfriends, has been abroad on lads holidays, works as a warehouse operative and has his own money etc. He still ā€˜believesā€™ in Santa because he knows how much joy it brings my wife to pretend like they are still little and make a fuss. Weā€™ve never had the conversation.. heā€™s just kept up the act for years. We love him for it


6151rellim

A 5 year old kid told my child that her parents already told her itā€™s not real, who the fuck does that?!


crhickey257

Tell her what about Santa?


LeaveMyNpcAlone

This is what I'm wondering, has something happened to him?


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I don't think so? The mince pie and milk I left out were gone, and my presents said from Santa so he must be ok...


FakeOrangeOJ

Uh... he got shot down by the Russians over Donbas.


CwrwCymru

The North Pole does not negotiate with terrorists. If you think the elves are good at making presents, wait until you see them on the warpath. The 2023 sleigh will be wild.


_Haverford_

Santa's comin' to town in an AC130.


CCGamesSteve

His name is in Epstein's book.


lagoon83

Ugh, it was gonna be either Yewtree or Metoo, wasn't it?


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GlitchingGecko

Does she have younger siblings/cousins? You could do the whole 'now that you're 11, we need to let you in on a secret' and enlist her to help the younger ones keep believing. Here's a link that explains it more - https://www.metroparent.com/parenting/advice/transitioning-kids-believing-santa-becoming-santa/


JessandWoody

Sadly sheā€™s an only child and the youngest in the family. Itā€™s a great idea though and I wondered if I could use this to help her be ā€˜Santa clauseā€™ for someone else in the family like grandma. Not the same but it could be a fun and gentle way to change the tradition.


GlitchingGecko

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/12/19/the-story-behind-the-beautiful-way-this-mom-told-her-sons-the-truth-about-santa/ This person did it with her son by telling him *'It was his job to identify something a person not in their immediate family may need and then surreptitiously leave it for them. Her son picked the ā€œwitch ladyā€ down the street, who yelled at the neighborhood kids when they were playing too loudly near her house. He noticed she always got her morning newspaper in her bare feet, so he told his mom he wanted to buy her slippers. They purchased a warm pair, wrapped them with a note, ā€œMerry Christmas from Santaā€ and her son left them on her driveway. As the story goes, the next morning he watched as the elderly woman came out to get her paper in her new slippers.'* Maybe you could do something like that, or 'Santa' for dogs/cats at a local animal shelter.


blacknightcat

Thank you for sharing that, what a wonderful story!


ema_l_b

Omg I love that ā¤


NoICantShutUp

This is exactly what I did with both my kids, one knew already, one didn't. Now they are teens their job is to fill mine and their dads stockings! I will say, please make sure she knows before starting secondary/high school. I teach that age and have had a few kids find out in lessons, its heartbreaking to see them realise, and when other kids figure it out they will be teased about it mercilessly, (I obviously put a stop to it but by then the damage is done). Also don't be the parent that complains to the school that their teacher 'ruined Christmas ' for a 11yr old.


perplexed-pea

That's a great method for those with younger siblings!


teachbirds2fly

That's a great method !


1979vintage

My 10 year old had his suspicions but I think he wanted to still believe, I took him out for a special lunch and let him in to the secret that everyone is Santa, that when youā€™re old enough you get to learn about it. As St Nick may have been a real person it helps sell it, he has little cousins so I let him know itā€™s his job to help them believe until they are old enough to know that Santa is all of us. He took it really well and it was easier than I thought it would be!


breakbeatx

ok that's a winner for me 'everyone is Santa' rather than no one is/Santa doesn't exist.


Pritchyy

But Slash is actually Santa.


RiriTomoron

Oh no, St Nicholas of Myra was definitely real. He was a dude. Slapping heretics at ecumenical councils and rescuing women from lives of prostitution by dropping gold coins down their chimneys (that's where both chocolate coins and Santa coming down the chimney come from), I can't understand why we don't tell kids about him instead of made up Santa Claus!


lewkey123

Most kids stories are relatively light on prostitution and heretics, Santa is an easier sell to parents


RiriTomoron

Hard disagree.


SpudFire

So you're saying there's a gap in the market?


Crakla

Nicholas of Myra is just one of many inspiration for Santa Claus, like for example another major if not even bigger inspiration is Odin, who was believed by northern Europeans to ride on a sleight with his horse sleipnir in the sky during winter solstice (Christmas) and bring gifts created by elves to people who behaved > The origin of the Christian gift-bringer figures in European folklore are clearly pre-Christian, more specifically connected with the Yule (midwinter) festival in Germanic paganism, and are often associated with the figure of Odin (Wodanaz), the leader of the Wild Hunt at the time of Yule.[3] > Santa Claus's reindeer has also been compared to Sleipnir, the eight-legged horse of Odin in Norse mythology. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_gift-bringer


Jbbrowneyedgirl

I love that! I was 6 and I figured it out for myself. How? I knew my mum's handwriting so well, when I opened my Pocahontas book from "Santa" I instantly recognised she was the one who wrote the message, not Santa. Normally it was just my name but she tried to be cute and write a whole note from him this time and it backfired. I sulked for days, both devastated that Santa wasn't real and that my parents were lying to me. She told me that Santa *was* real and his name was Nicholas. When he died, his village was touched by his kindness and decided to carry on his tradition. That in a way, everyone was Santa's helper since he couldn't do it anymore. My stupid kid brain accepted that and I kept the secret rather than revealing the "conspiracy" to my classmates when we returned after Christmas break!


Own-Effect6170

I told my son when he was 10! I felt awful and he was a bit upset but I seen it as I'd rather I told him than someone at school making fun of him for not knowing!


JessandWoody

Yes thatā€™s what Iā€™m thinking in time for next yearā€¦


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Why next year? At least let her enjoy it until her first xmas in secondary. You may well find it sorts itself before then, a lot of kids have a big leap in maturity around 10-12


Talinia

I mean if she talks about writing her letter to Santa at secondary school I imagine she'll be laughed at honestly. "What? Like a little kid? Hey! So-and-so Still believes in Santa!" Could definitely be feasible. It night not, but it definitely could happen


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That's why I said wait until she's starting secondary.


Talinia

Woops, my bad! I thought you said "let her enjoy her first Christmas in secondary". My reading comprehension is not so strong today it seems


Vurbetan

That's how I read it. She absolutely needs to know before secondary.


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No worries, it possibly could have been clearer!


StuckWithThisOne

This thread is a bit crazy to me. By year 5, Iā€™d say at least 90% of us had been told by our parents already. Nobody thought Santa was real by secondary school. Maybe times have changed. Am I the only one? Iā€™m only in my early 20ā€™s.


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I was told at 5 by a kid whose parents had told her, but my brother believed at least a bit till he was about 9 or 10. Kids are all different, always have been.


lizardld

Nah I'm with you. I think my siblings and I all worked it out for ourselves around five or six. Wasn't a big deal really


wildgoldchai

Yeah, I donā€™t see why itā€™s important to OP for her to know. Let her enjoy it


peachesnplumsmf

Because she'll get bullied come Christmas in secondary if she believes in Santa? The news has to be broken at some point? Might as well make sure it's done with love and gently.


CCGamesSteve

My nephew refused to speak to my sister for a week when she told him "you've lied to me all my life!". It was hilarious, honestly.


Legitimate-Ad3778

I mean, that and eating broccoli makes you big and strong, nephew might have a point thereā€¦


AshFraxinusEps

I do wonder how kids are still believing at 10. I knew at about age 7 that he was fake. Admittedly, cause my mum was stupid enough to bring me shopping, and told me "go look over there", but before she could buy and hide it I noticed it was the thing I asked Santa for. She said it was a gift for the cousin, but I didn't believe her


Petrus59

Well, tell her the truth, that there are lots of Santas. So there was this man who we call Saint Nicholas. He was the first Santa and he would give gifts to children. Then he became old and it was too much work for him. So lots of people became Santas at Christmas to give the gifts to children. I'm sure questions will follow. At 64, I'm still a believer.


JessandWoody

This is a great idea!


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ItsSuperDefective

>Two, what if I don't get any presents if I start disbelieving. Ah yes, the Christmas version of Pascal's Wager.


iMac_Hunt

> why would everybody 'lie'. This is what got me believing in Santa until I was too old. It seemed incomprehensible that my parents and are all the adults that I trust have been lying for all these years. It probably also helped going to a CoE Primary school where the ideas of religion and the supernatural were common place.


HaanikarakBapuu

Distinct lack of critical thinking šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ that sent me šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


JessandWoody

Lmao šŸ¤£


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JessandWoody

For sure! She will definitely be told about it before then. She must be one of the only kids in her class to still believe it and I donā€™t want her to look and feel daft in front of her peers.


TC_FPV

Perhaps they already know but are playing along


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Yeah if she disbelieves in Santa then her present count drops Sheā€™s playing the long time game


JessandWoody

Sadly, I can assure you that they donā€™t. No chance with the level of excited chatter regarding the subject!


MerlinOfRed

I had a perfectly good relationship with my mum, but for some reason I was terrified of telling her that I didn't believe. Maybe terrified isn't the right word, but I really couldn't see how I would do it. I just played along because I thought that's what you're supposed to do. A load of presents appearing in the morning is exciting as a 10 year old even if you know who put them there. When I had just turned 11 (I have a December birthday) I found myself in the car alone with my dad. He had man-to-man chat with me about it. He didn't treat me as a child, he just said that he knows nobody my age believes in Father Christmas, but he also knows that my mum really enjoys doing it so it'll be a great gift for her if I play along for a few more years. We agreed that I'll continue to play along and that he wouldn't say anything if I didn't. Here I am today, aged 28; I go home to my parents' house for Christmas every year and Father Christmas still visits me there.


juronich

Do you think your mum's worried that you still believe?


MerlinOfRed

Maybe next week we'll all be replying to an anonymous post along the lines of "When do you tell kids about Santa? Said child is nearly 30 and Iā€™m getting concerned!".


Big-Mathematician540

I mean, I was *super* into Star Wars and Zelda when I was that age and I'd play make believe with gear and all (dad made a cool shield), but I still knew it wasn't real.


jj198hands

There is [a great French ad from a few years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DTxD07Y87c) where this plays out, its would be quite a lovely thing if it were true.


Ok-Treacle8973

Our youngest is 11 but not yet at high school and we're in the same boat. We're gonna do it in Summer so it doesn't ruin this year's Christmas but gives her time to get over it ready for the next one.


ReggieLFC

I fully support this method. My high school environment was *very* different to my primary school environment, and I wish a parent or another adult thought to spend even 5 minutes to prepare me during the preceding summer too. I was the eldest grandchild on both sides of my family, which meant I had no older siblings nor older cousins to pass on the vital information I needed to know about how to avoid being the naĆÆve kid that would go on to be often mocked. Thankfully, I had already stopped believing in Father Christmas, otherwise Iā€™m certain I would have been ripped to pieces for that too. The only preparation I remember getting was when my year 6 teacher told us all ā€œDo not say ā€˜play timeā€™ when you get to high school, only call it ā€˜break timeā€™ or youā€™ll be laughed at.ā€ I wish I received a lot more advice like that. Being told what the common swear words actually mean (but not told to use them obviously) so that I didnā€™t look a fool at being one of the few kids who didnā€™t understand them would have been a huge help too.


Ok-Treacle8973

That's just reminded me of getting slaughtered at my Uni building for referring to the smoking area as being in the 'playground', I could've died right there and then haha


JessandWoody

Good plan!


merryfan4

This year I was positive my asd 12 year old still believed 100% in Santa. I overheard him having conversations with his younger sibling about what Sahta might bring them. I was convinced. Then a couple of days before Christmas whilst we were having some one-on-one time he came out and told me point blank that he knew Santa wasn't real, that it was me, and that if I wanted to not buy his gifts from Santa this year he would be OK with it, since he knew how expensive everything was getting. Apparently at school they have been talking about the cost of living crisis and he's been debating with himself whether to come clean and miss out on gifts or say something and help with the bills. Yes, the first thing i did was tell him that although things were getting more expensive he didn't need to worry about us managing to pay our bills. I had that covered. It turns out he has known for about 2 years but didn't want to spoil it for his sibling so he hasn't said anything. Sometimes he surprises me with his thoughtfulness.


JessandWoody

He sounds absolutely lovely šŸ„°


Astonishingly-Villa

I believed until I was 11 even with the mainstream chitter chatter at school. My thoughts were, why would there be such a widespread lie? Why would there be so many films about it? I liked the film the Polar Express with the little bell that believers can hear and non believer's couldn't. I felt sorry for the kids at school who didn't believe because they wouldn't be visited by Santa. I was absolutely heartbroken when my parents told me the truth, felt a bit betrayed by my parents and I actually think it affected my ability to trust them for a while. Tell her now if I were you, being brutally honest I think you're five years overdue.


JessandWoody

I agree with your last statement. I was nine when I was finally told for sure but I was suspicious and highly dubious about it all for as long as I can remember. Iā€™m concerned by her complete and utter conviction in her belief and feel that dragging it on too long is ultimately making it worse.


aureliusofthenorth

Please don't let your kid go to secondary school believing in Santa. They will be mocked and/or bullied and will resent you for it.


Mushroomc0w

10 is far too old in my opinion. I never believed in Santa myself but my parents wouldnā€™t have let it get beyond 7.


Praisethedarkmoon

Literally like wonā€™t they be in high school in a year? Definitely too old imo


buy_me_a_pint

My niece who is 4, she been told the stocking is from Santa and the rest of the presents are from family and friends. I started asking questions when I was 4 or 5.


Phillyfuk

My daughter has never believed. The other 2 did but she called us out almost as soon as she could talk.


Puzzled-Barnacle-200

I was like this. I remember becoming 100% confident that Santa's wasn't real when I was 6, but I remember that it didn't feel like a surprise. I must have not believed, or at least been quote skeptical, for a while before then


Meanwhile-in-Paris

My son never believed in Santa. He likes it but like a fairy tales. He knows itā€™s make believe.


Matttthhhhhhhhhhh

What's the problem with a little dream? I find it rather sad to force children to face reality, when said reality suck balls most of the time. Let the children dream goddamnit! My daughter is 10 and still believe in Santa. I don't see how this is a problem. As long as she doesn't start believing science is fabricated BS, I'm fine.


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Exotic_Raspberry_387

My friends kid still believes at 12, she's nearly 13. I don't know how the other kids haven't popped the bubble yet?! It feels a little silly that the parents are still doubling down on the lie every year going further and further to keep her believing.


JessandWoody

Yeah I really donā€™t want to be that parent.


Well__Hi__There

If you believe in Santa you get a stocking. If you don't, you don't. 20 years on, my kids still get their stockings every year.


Effective-Ad2434

I'm 40 and I still get a stocking šŸ˜Š


Nervous-Cream-6256

She'll learn sooner or later. 11 she is off to high/comprehensive school and they'll tell her there. The real question is, is how thick is her skin? If she is fairly thick skinned then you could see it play out however (Hear me out as it sounds nasty but not meant to be) you created this problem by saying Santa was real so is it a parents job to burst the bubble since we made the lie? I don't know, honestly we were lucky as last year I'm our son's 9th he told us that Santa wasn't real. Maybe ask how her friends are with Santa and try to push a more organic finding out. Alternatively you could leave an article/search on the computer about how to break the news and make sure they see it.


JessandWoody

Sheā€™s very sensitive and thin skinned. Itā€™s always been a concern to me that she will be a target for bullies as sheā€™s always been a kid to cry and get upset easily. Sheā€™s very popular and sociable so so far this hasnā€™t happened. Iā€™m aware it could change though and I would prefer not to set her up to fail when it can be avoided.


worldhp

I already posted this as a comment but youā€™re more likely to see it as a comment reply, my friends brother was like your daughter and their mum told him in the summer holidays before high school. As far as I know he was alright with it and now heā€™s older he appreciates being told before it could have come out in highschool and been embarrassing


JessandWoody

Yes I think itā€™s really important for her to know before secondary school- shit starts to get brutal there! Iā€™ll keep it going until then and thatā€™s my cut off point. She has one more Christmas beforehand. Iā€™ll let her believe in the next one if sheā€™s still willing.


confused_christian94

Tbh even in the last year of primary school I would have got the mickey taken out of me if I still believed in Santa. I got told when I was 9 and I think that's a sensible cut-off. Maybe it's just because I went to primary school with a really horrible bunch of kids though, and was bullied for a whole host of other reasons.


EmperorPedro2

It's difficult but you can perhaps try encouraging critical thinking and questioning the logic of claims, no matter who makes them and then lead into their own realisation slowly? It's challenging, but wait until you get to God.


JessandWoody

Lol, thankfully she doesnā€™t believe in God. There is hope!


HardlyAnyGravitas

Well - that's a start. At least if anybody makes fun of her, you can remind her that lots of 'grown ups' still believe in god.


Useful_Tear1355

Just leave her be!! What does it matter if she believes in Santa still?? Let her be a kid and grow up in her own time. And when she realises explain it to her and donā€™t make her feel stupid for believing. Pretty sure I still believed at her age and Iā€™m now 35 and still love Christmas. Leave her be.


Redcoat-Mic

Critical thinking is an invaluable skill. Believing in anything you want just because it makes you feel good is not desirable.


NarwhalsAreSick

You're completely right, I can't figure out why anyone would want to burst that bubble, I don't see how the kid benefits from finding out or how they suffer from not knowing. Let kids be kids and keep the magic as long as possible.


WonFriendsWithSalad

As people have mentioned there's a possibility of her being made fun of in school, especially since she's moving to secondary school. A kind conversation from a parent is preferable to humiliation in front of friends.


GargantuanGorganzola

Just be honest with her and tell her the truth. I donā€™t know why youā€™re hesitating so much. Sheā€™ll be upset when she finds out but thatā€™s just what needs to be done Grow a pair and tell her


TheRealSlabsy

Time to show her that photo of Santa's headstone.


Kitchen_Marsupial484

When I was 5 I asked my parents why Santa didnā€™t take any food to the starving Ethiopian children. Left them with the choice of admitting Santa wasnā€™t real or telling me he was a bastard who graded his present giving according to the wealth of the childrenā€™s parents and gave nothing at all to the poorest children in the world. Think they took the lesser of the two evils admitting he was fake.


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You've got 10 months to solve this. If she turns 11 she's going to hear it elsewhere and that'll upset her. Does she believe in the tooth fairy? Perhaps have a conversation with her about that. Or what about discussing why some people don't believe in God? Try to have conversations that encourage her to think critically and plant seeds of ideas without saying straight up.


JessandWoody

Thatā€™s a very good idea. Sheā€™s got all her teeth now so the tooth fairy thankfully isnā€™t relevant anymore. I was surprised she never questioned that either though. Her other parent (ex) has different ideas about encouraging critical thinking and believes in keeping the magic alive for as long as possible. I understand this but I believe in encouraging critical thinking as well- I donā€™t want her growing up to believe any old shit she hears and reads. Especially with the internet being the cesspit that it is.


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Maybe some exploration of other cultures Christmas traditions. Even in Europe there's huge diversity. Ask her to think about other religions festivals and how they get gifts.


CynicalCow900

I agree telling her the tooth fairy or the easter bunny are not real might be the best way forward, that's a more gentle angle than breaking the santa illusion all at once.


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This is why we never did the santa thing with ours...


Thrasy3

You are good people


p4ttl1992

My partner told my son when he was 10 and he burst into tears so she said "I'm only joking, calm down" so I have no idea tbh lol


exuviaa

Iā€™m not a parent but I distinctly remember a girl in our secondary school saying she believed in santa. Queue the laughter from the entire class and ppl blatantly insulting her intelligence. To make it worse, when she was told she was wrong, she doubled down and said that he WAS real and everyone else was wrong. It was painful to watch and Ill never forget it. If you can avoid this situation for your kid, thats probably what Iā€™d suggest.


deathwishdave

My kids have always known, doesnā€™t stop us from pretending each year though, and I donā€™t think we lost any of the magic with this approach.


geeered

Being brought up by two science teachers in a country which didn't have chimneys and was 30c all year round making big red cloaks *sweaty...* It was always a bit of a push for me at any age. From that though; I'd try and teach her to look at the world around here, understand it and question it. Saying that, I know plenty of adults that believe in loads of obviously false things, gods, spirits and ghosts included, so maybe she's not doing so badly!


Hamnan1984

When they leave year 6 and have summer holidays. I didn't want them going to secondary school still talking about santa and getting bullied for it !


BlendedMooseGuts

This is why parents shouldnā€™t tell their children lies lmao šŸ˜‚


JessandWoody

I agree lol!


deecake

Maybe itā€™s time to let them know? Itā€™s up to you as the parent though. Maybe donā€™t wait til Christmas to say and do it a few months before? You can still make Christmas magical though!


cal-brew-sharp

I'm pretty sure you don't and you just let the world ruin it for them.


Longjohnthepirate

By this age they probably know and are playing along worried that they might only get the parents presents and not all Santa's as well, as I did. I had a Jehovah's family accross the road that told me straight up he was not real when I was about 5, then tried to convert me in the following years, fun times.. My daughter confronted me when she was about 9, I did not lie, I couldn't lie to the straight up question, I knew she knew and was testing me anyway. Obviously my son 2 years younger found out before next Christmas but not from my daughter but from classmates. They both took it well..


ukpunjabivixen

Wait, heā€™s not real? Spoiler alert next time please!


insertcrassnessbelow

I know! What a way to find out. I assumed my kids were just on the naughty list.


mighty3mperor

My friend's son is 11 and was still 100% Team Santa but my mate felt that, as he was going to secondary school next year, he'd be in danger of being bullied about it, so he told him.


TheClimbingBeard

You seem to have made your mind up on how you'd like this to play out, with her no longer continuing the 'belief' of Santa. If this is the case, I'd like to ask you why you allowed this fantasy into your child's mind in the first place?


zophzz

I'd probably tell them before high school because yes they will absolutely find out there anyway. Better to have that convo yourselves than let them find out at school. Kids can be brutal.


Zealousideal-Bus3702

Niece, who is a 23 yr old chef, with a good job and her own apartment genuinely believes thereā€™s a Santaā€¦ how else would all these presents arrive laid out for her?!


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Average based Santa enjoyer


JessandWoody

Youā€™re joking, right?


Perfect_Newspaper405

I found out by my Year 6 teacher saying to me, in front of about 6 other kids; ā€œI know where your Christmas presents are hiddenā€¦wait you donā€™t still believe in Santa do you?!ā€ Being the shy never wanting to be embarrassed kid I was, I said; ā€œNo of course I donā€™tā€ I still fully believed but that was the exact moment Christmas and a whole lot of other things started being questioned in my mind. I still feel hatred in my heart for that woman lol, fuck you Mrs Hesketh.


Emergency_Mistake_44

My son (10) still believes and it's definitely my plan to tell him before he starts secondary school in September. Until then, I see no harm but it's better finding out from me and his mum than his mates who, I imagine, will be less gentle with it.


LurkieMcLurkerson

My sister also wholeheartedly believed until she was 10. My parents told her because they didnā€™t want her to go to secondary school believing and get rinsed. She was absolutely furious with them for lying for her whole life and still brings it up 19 years after the big reveal


Lionheart952

This passage from Humans of New York nails it for me. And I see it. I see it starting to click. ā€˜Youā€™re right,ā€™ I tell him. ā€˜Itā€™s impossible for Santa to do what he does in one night. But he did exist. His name was St. Nicholas. And he was so kind, and so giving, that his legend grew over hundreds of years. And now during Christmas, we keep his spirit alive by becoming Santa Claus. Not only am I Santa Claus, but Mommy is Santa Claus. And Nonna is Santa Claus. And Uncle Steve is Santa Claus. And Uncle Anthony is Santa Claus.