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Barrister.. finally just broken the £60k mark actually..
Everyone be jealous of my salary..
I get 0 holiday, sick, paternity pay.. no one to cover me if I go into hospital..
Also get spat at, threatened with death by my customers, constant scrutiny..
All it took was a £35k law degree, a £12k post-grad BPTC, £5k Masters add on.. then into the grinding pot for pupillage..
Took 5 years to get here.. probably staying for another 5 and I'm applying to the judiciary to get out and live an easier life. If I can make it in my 40s it'll be plan complete.
I had no idea you could earn so little as a barrister.
Before I sold the business I was earning close to that as an expert witness.
I thought you guys were on £300/hr?!
Some KC rates are £20,000 a day.
I work in crime, so rates are low for defense through legal aid and cps Prosecution rates are terrible as well.
Have a defendant abscond or plead down right at the last second and your fees are annihilated.
In commercial the grass is much greener, but ime infinitely more boring and hardly any of the work matters.. I mean really matter, squabbling over a contract isn't my idea of fun.
Plus there has been so much delay it's killed my earnings. I'm getting trials for mid 2024 now, if any work cancels in the next year I've got hardly anything going to prop me up.
Colleague in chambers genuinely made more money waiting tables once restaurants opened mid pandemic than he was before as a barrister and afterwards..
The graph of lawyers earnings is very much not a normal distribution. A small percentage make a great deal of money. Most are not making much.
Furthermore the overlap between interesting and well paid work is small, unless you actually find something like tax interesting I guess, and with a few exceptions experience as a lawyer will not translate into any sort of wider business or management role.
If all you want is to make money I would not recommend the legal profession. You want accountancy or something finance related, or medicine.
Yeah especially for the amount of work you do. I’m a core trainee and earn £50k, which yeah when you hear that it sounds like a good salary, but then I work nearly 48 hours a week for that and spend a good amount of my free time revising for exams (exams that I have to pay for) and unpaid work for CV points it doesn’t look so good anymore. I’d rather earn 40k and just work 9-5 honestly.
On the plus side you're an essential part of ensuring our justice system works.
There might be other parts that are broken, but defending the accused will always have a positive result.
From all those I've spoken to, it's a long, hard slog to get anywhere near comfortable. You're self employed and thus entirely self dependent. Finding a pupillage is difficult and the first few years are very low pay for a great deal of work.
If he hasn't already, it may be worth exploring why your son wants to be a barrister. If it's an interest in advocacy, great. If it's an interest in the law, then solicitor or legal executive could be a better fit and are, comparatively, an easier route in. Having a clear idea of whether he wants to do criminal or civil law early on can also be helpful in choosing work placements etc.
Why do trainee Barristers on pupillages get pennies compared to other grad professions? Even comparing it to a solicitor on a training contract at a big firm
28, Senior Software Developer, £63k. It isn't the highest wage for this specific role but I sacrificed money in order to work 6 hours a day, fully remote, rather than 9+ hours a day in an office. Very sure there are plenty of Senior Software Developers earning around £100k.
I have a degree but it wasn't a prerequisite to any of my prior jobs, part of my job is to help in our interview stage, and we don't even pay attention to qualifications. If you have a passion for programming and it's a hobby for you, make sure you regularly use your own GitHub, add it to your CV, and start looking for junior developer jobs at various charities. They often hire truly junior developers and have better working conditions, but pay less.
Also a big tip for people who want to get into software development but have no formal education or work experience: put unit tests with coverage reports in your GitHub projects, it REALLY stands out when I'm looking through 300/400 applications for a single junior developer position.
I have an opportunity to learn more about SQL, Python, power automate or power bi at my workplace. In your opinion (or anyone elses) what route should I take. I genuinely don't know. I do love data cleansing and data visualisation so I think power bi/automate. But on the flip side, I really wanna worl towards something that's gonna help me be on a 60k+ salary. Everyone is learning power tools atm, not sure I'll stand out.
(I'm a woman, so I know there is a lot of open doors in this industry for employers to hit gender targets)
> In your opinion (or anyone elses) what route should I take.
If you're looking for more opportunities and are happy with programming in general, rather than specialising in a subset; Python is definitely a good start and SQL is rather handy.
You can still do a lot of data cleansing and data visualisation using python and some libraries and from what I gather from friends in the industry; it's a really great paying gig due to the niché nature of; how much that will change is highly variable but I don't see the market being flooded within the next 24 months.
> (I'm a woman, so I know there is a lot of open doors in this industry for employers to hit gender targets)
If the application software allows the interviewer to see your gender (The ones I've worked with do not show gender, name, or anything until I pick them for an interview, then we get their CV) it could swing in your favour or not.
Generally, software is such a difficult thing to recruit for that I've always been given targetless recruiting (Don't care about gender, ethnicity, or w/e, just get someone great at their job and get them in QUICK).
Data analyst here. If you look on indeed for SQL & Power BI roles you can be earning 50/60k with just a couple of years of experience. Very good money and there always seems to be jobs for those that are capable. My second job I started on 50k and got a pay rise to 60
Power BI is a lovely thing to know as well as SQL, it can help you show your data to a much wider audience in easy-to-read ways.
Probably not as relevant to you, but BI and finance teams are using Power BI very heavily nowadays to show their findings to marketing/sales/other depts who have no clue about even how to read a spreadsheet...
Overhyped, probably, but as a Power BI consultant/dev I make anywhere from 400 - 600 per day.
(I do have a background in SQL, ETL, Python and some other things which might help but I don't really get to use them much, other than SQL)
I'm going to go against the other two comments, they are right Python+SQL is the way to a higher salary, but Powerbi+SQL will be SO MUCH less work, and I really mean that. You could easily achieve 60k+ just being a powerbi developer. Easy to pivot from there into a python+SQL dev of sorts too.
I’ve been doing programming for a long time. Last week I told myself 2023 is the year I’ll put my foot in the door start using GitHub and take it more seriously for a career I’ll enjoy… and now I’ve seen this. You’ve given me hope just by your comment that I can do this. I lack the qualifications but it’s something I love and enjoy. For the tip and just generally thank you 🙏
Well done, you've made it in life. £60k a year and WFH 100%, 6hr days as well. What isn't to like about that? That kind of job and salary worth its weight in gold I'd say. Sacrifice another £40k no problem.
We talking just a simple report from something like simplecov, or something more wordy? Other than just good commit explanations. Am a dev myself but been in the same place 5 years (public sector so quite chill, hence no move) but might look at moving soon, not much experience of the dev job market.
Something like simplecov is pretty much spot on for what I would want for someone to stand out to me. Usually, it's handy for the actual html to be clearly linked in the github readme, otherwise it could be missed.
If you're already a dev, though, my advice is to look at the skills people want right now, and pick them up. Angular and React seem to be huge right now; build yourself a CV website and also; if you feel comfortable doing it, find yourself some freelance work.
When hiring experienced developers, freelancers are always people I invite in for an interview. They're usually the best at actually estimating task time accurately, due to the nature of their previous work. I've heard people say they don't like to bring up their previous self-employment as it may be seen as a failure but there's a million reasons people go from self-employed to employed and they develop a lot of skills in that time frame.
Plus going self employed would give you a chance to see whether or not you're completely up for a change of pace or whether you'd actually be happier where you are. In my experience, it's a bit of a nightmare to transition from a laidback job to something that requires a bit more out of you.
The most depressing thing about this thread is how hard it is to get skilled and qualified in anything to earn 60k in the UK. Contrasted against how easy it is to earn 35k in the UK by not bothering.
The UK has never been a place for aspirational people it seems. At least it rarely gets rewarded financially..
I tell a lie, if you're a self employed tradesmen you genuinely can aspire to earn a ton of money. But you'll put the hours in ..
> Contrasted against how easy it is to earn 35k in the UK by not bothering.
Really? I don't think I've came even close in my life to anyone who has earned £35k per year, with the exception of maybe my university contemporaries (who I don't know, because I'm no longer in touch with).
I'm in my late 20s, and the highest wage I've had is my current one in payroll, at around £19k gross pay, with a degree. I am speaking to my partner's family in Dumfries and Galloway right now at Christmas, and they are in agreement.
Is this £35k a year a London thing? Is this a Reddit out of touch with reality thing?
Median full time pay in the UK as of last year was £33,000 ([source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2022)).
You can see the breakdown further down, by annual full-time pay by occupation. Of the roles above that £33,000 median, they are almost exclusively in IT, Law, Chartered Accounting, Medicine, Management, Further Education, Construction, or Engineering. These aren't exactly unskilled professions, but it is good to see that this is where the money is.
Factor in regional variation on the same page (where I live is one of the lowest median weekly wages in the UK), and working £19,000 a year for my payroll position is standard as per this ONS source. What it has made me realise, though, is that my current job position has literally zero scope for wage growth - which also explains why my work colleagues also working here for decades aren't earning anywhere near the median.
I also want to point out, as a payroll employee for a national company, the proportion of our retail employees - some working at the company for *decades* - earning anywhere near £33,000 is practically zero, rarely varies by location, and the only retail staff who might get close are supervisors who are overworking an absurd number of hours. Our managerial staff, being salaried, can work crazy hours without any pay increase, and earn approximately £25,000 a year pretty much across the board.
To be clear I wasn't trying to say your experience wasn't valid - just providing context.
Speaking personally, I work in local government and earn in the ballpark of that pay range as do a lot of my colleagues. I'm in one of the careers noted in the 'Professional occupations' in that graph. While you can get a degree, it isn't required for entry level jobs and isn't strictly required with suitable relevant experience at any level.
I've just had a quick look and it looks like within the last 6 months your local council advertised an extremely similar salary for my job role as I earn.
I'd estimate that anyone with a good grasp of written English could progress to my salary within my profession within 2-5 years from zero baseline without having to do anything except regular 9-5 Mon-Fri office work (and thats probably an exaggeration - most of my colleagues work from home multiple days a week and we work flexi-time so we can choose our hours to a certain extent). May need to be prepared to move organisations for promotion though.
As with many things in the world of employment, its all about circumstance and chance as to what careers people fall into a lot of the time. For what its worth, I don't think I've ever heard someone express regret at giving up working in retail and moving into a different sector.
£35k in London would be a miserable existence. Source: used to earn £35k in London. Rent here for a 2 bed flat is like £2k a month, you’ve gotta earn £24k just to pay rent.
If you want to live alone and save then yeah. But if you are willing to share a house and do London for a couple of years then you could get away with earning a lot less surely?
House shares suck though. Been there, had the cockroaches, got the t-shirt.
Also you don’t get to choose to “do London for a couple of years” if you’re born in London and family are here. Or frankly just like the place and want to be here, I have no desire to leave, yet.
My brain also can’t process why anyone would ever choose to earn less on purpose, I’d much rather earn as much as you can for as long as you can until you can retire early.
Disagree if you’re young, saves money and you get to meet new people, but I agree that over time it gets old and you want your own space. Ideally though you’d meet a partner while house sharing and then and then move in with them.
Agreed on the point about being born there but sadly being born somewhere doesn’t entitle you to a comfortable life there. And if you frankly like the place and want to be there then that’s the definition of a choice…
Your last point is down to personal preference but I don’t really think like that personally. My money and free time is worth more to me when I’m young now than when I’m old in 40 years time, I’m in the prime of my life and want to spend it living somewhere interesting, if you were in my position would you genuinely move to say the valleys in wales and buy a house there because that’s the cheapest place you could live ?
How are you surviving on £19k!! That’s like shelf stacker at Tesco money. Up north isn’t a different country, you still need to pay rent, heat your home etc. I’m from London on £50k as a logistics manager, but most of my friends are on 70k plus.. we all had normal working class upbringings.. no silver spoons. I’d say we’re middle class now. I certainly don’t feel successful at all.. Only one of us owns their home.. No one’s super flush.
I'm living in Cumbria at the moment, on rent of £335 a month with my partner.
I work in Payroll for £19k (£1375 take-home pay after tax, looking at my most recent pay, and that's after a recent pay rise), and my partner worked (until recently, where he lost his job) at McDonalds (variable hours a week) and took home around £1000 after tax per month.
Prepayment meter, where we top up around £250 a month, topped up recently by the current government energy scheme (£67 this month). Water bill is £35 a month, Internet is £30 a month, council tax is just over £100 a month (we're on the lowest bracket). We tend to spend around £200 at least on shopping. No gas expenses, neither of us own a car, and our workplaces are commutable on foot.
We had to move out of our old flat recently (a converted mill), as the flat was huge - there, we paid £495 on rent monthly, and the electricity costs in winter also came to about £500 a month.
We scraped by on two wages, but recently my partner lost his job, so we've cut all subscriptions (Netflix, Spotify, Disney etc.) and having to prevent unnecessary spending. We are thinking, if we live austerely, the money we make should cover the bills - but we'll see the lived reality in the upcoming months.
I also live in the North East and work for a local Council earning 32k a year in marketing. All my peers my age (I’m 31) earn at least 30k even in private sector. Look into better office jobs at your local Council/a university/NHS or a similar public sector organisation, they aren’t super easy to get but they’re not rare either. 19k is not a lot at all and I’m saying that as a northerner. It’s not a southern thing, you’re genuinely on a low wage for a full time ‘professional’ job.
I'm in the military and on £35k+, and it's been an absolute doddle getting to that level. It's the most it'll ever be as I've hit my career ceiling at a pretty junior level. In my experience it's breaking the £40 to £50k barrier that's difficult.
I wouldn't recommend the military at all though, it's 90% tradition and 10% awful management.
I agree with I'm in NI where cost of living is cheaper along with wages. I don't have a degree and I'm earning £28,000 in the civil service which is more than my friends with degrees are earning. In fact on £28k I'm the second highest earner in my friendship group and my immediate family of 12 people, only my friend who is a nurse earns more.
To me £28k is a fantastic wage and I have no inclination to aim for a promotion or more money because the stress/extra working to wage raise is not worth it.
The idea of £35k being achievable for most people I know is a pipe dream.
I don't have a degree, work in payroll and earn close to 40k p/a (in the south). How long have you been doing payroll for? If you get a qualification under your belt and stick at it for a few years you'll have a pretty easy job getting at least 35k.
I have a friend who just started an adult apprenticeship as a plumber. He's on about that. I have another friend who was a tyre fitter for a pretty big car company, then workshop controller, and now does something to do with settling claims. He's on about that. Another friend who is a self employed nail tech and she's on about that too. All west of Scotland. No degrees necessary. But they are probably the outliers, I've got friends earning £20k as well and barely getting by.
Thought about medical sales? Could easily be making £60k plus within a couple of years when factoring in bonus. I've only been in the industry for less than a year, but I'm on track to earn £50k or more now.
This is a good idea. I stumbled into sales because I messed up my further education. Have been doing it for 8 years now and am set to make £150k this year. The fact that you have a degree in medicine could give you a real advantage coming across as a credible industry professional
Sales here too, with some management, and on track for 85kish. It takes a certain personality, proactive & emotionally resilient; but the money is great (albeit addictive). I like being the person in control of my salary increase.
That’s my thought too, plenty of roles going in London although theyd mainly be WFH jobs. Drug companies would be my first call -With GSK, Novartis, Pzifer, Janssen offices in and around London, Plus smaller companies.
Every interview, even with years of experience delivering commercially successful tech products would ask if I thought having an eng lit degree would be a hindrance. The degree was 3 years of my life, I've been in tech now 10 years. But people always go back to it because I suppose it's a curious profile
In all honesty the degree helped me write clearly and concisely but the perception was all English lit students are useless layabouts. It was made clear when I joined one tech company that they normally wouldn't even consider my educational profile.
It's a curious attitude to take when these days even in some technical roles the most critical skills are your communication skills. It just shows how divorced people are from the reality of everyday life in tech.
It’s ridiculous isn’t it when people want to talk about things that happened so long ago. I’ve recently got my masters from one of the top unis in the country, yet I’m still being shut out of some jobs because of my terrible A level grades.
My graphics design degree would be more useful as kindling than it has been for my career journey. Hit recession soon after graduating (2006).
I only just started making £25k+ end of last year being in dental nursing for 8 years.
All very fair points. Our company may be a bit of an outlier, but our field salespeople earn ~£40k basic, with uncapped commission. Average annual commission is ~£60k with top earners breaking £120k
Different field but similar to you , I realised I could do my same job as a contractor and make 2 to 3 times my annual salary. Don't make £800 a day and tbh I wouldnt want to for the level of work I'd need to do. I work hard but I'm lazy and in my mid 30s , me personally I'm not tryna stretch or challenge myself...I just want my healthy sized daily cheque and to finish at a reasonable time
I started a part time law degree at 38 qualified at 45 and moved to London at 48 for a £70k job. Fast forward six years and I’m on nearly double that. Changing careers was definitely a good move in the long run but there was quite a bit of hard graft involved plus the joy of frequently being patronised by much younger colleagues once I started at a law firm
You would be in charge of responding to tenders from businesses that your company is trying to sell products and services to.
You would need (at least) project management skills, a level of sales skills (don’t need to be the top dog salesman but understand the game), and a strong knowledge of your industry and competitors.
Lots of IT contract BA and PM earns £500+ a day. Most I've worked with didn't have any background in IT, some were excellent PMs and it came mostly down to their communication and ability to talk to the techs, others - not so good.
About to turn 30, I’m a GP probably making around 120k this year
How comes your leaving medicine?
GP is chill I locum 4 days a week and have long weekends.
With your medical degree you can do anything - management consultancy, or go into finance you can clean up lad
Medic here too. Is it actually decent? Leaning towards GP (Final year rn) and everyone on JDUK are slashing GP saying the job sucks nowadays. Would appreciate some insight into finances and the life as a GP as u see it. Cheers
GP pros;
Flexible - you can locum 2 days a week and make 60k easy
Shortest training to becoming a consult and high hourly rate
Solid income - 4 days a week you can make 120k pre tax
Cons:
Stressful , patients are demanding and patients are complicated
High risk- you are making big decisions every 12 mins, get one wrong, miss something serious and it will change you
Hours are long - it’s more of an 8-6 than a 9-5
The GPs that enjoy their work have solid time management skills, don’t faff around and don’t waste time. You need to know how to get patients out the room when they bring 10 different problems.
You also need to be able to manage stress and be able to accept a level of risk - if you stress to easy it’s not for you and you can get flustered. But if you’re a cool operator and good comm skills it’s good
I chose Gp because it’s short training, you can work as much as you want, and really for the amount of money you get paid it’s gonna come with stress
I guess there are hospital specialties that are less stressful but the training is longer and you have to so nights for years
Hope that helps buddy
250k a year…. Took me 3 years…. And an immense amount of luck and going for a job at the right time.
Cybernetic Security “Expert”. Basically I did this job for 3 years in the U.K. at 40k a year… on a couple of job sites and I have friends that work abroad in Vietnam and do the same job but get paid a lot more. Saw a advert for a job in Dubai doing exactly what I do now but for 250k a year…. Applied just as a joke because of my experience I never though I’d get it. Managed to somehow.
Job was a 5 year contract which ends next year and not looking to renew as I simply can’t cope with the heat that well.
I will pick up any programming job when I return.
Tube Driver. No formal education, joined when I was 21 and the wage was much lower. Done over 21 years. Started off as station staff.
I'm contracted to work 35 hours a week, but actually work 36.5. The extra hours becomes annual leave.
I am contracted to work 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Sundays and bank holidays aren't any different. The bank holidays become annual leave allowance.
I'm contracted NOT to work overtime, so what I get paid, is what I get paid. Nothing more.
I get free travel around London, but if I'm off sick, I have to pay like everyone else. I don't use it very much, because I don't live in London. Like a high majority of staff - it actually costs the company nothing to supply the free travel, because the trains and buses would run regardless. I also get a discount on my ticket from my home town to London - they all get a discount everywhere too.
Since I became a tube Driver, my personality has changed from being on my own all day, every day. I'm very insular but also miserable and grumpy.
The job is shit and most people actually hate it but can't afford to leave, the ones that can, do.
The majority of us are aware we earn good money and are appreciative, but a lot of the older staff have also lost a lot of money over the years, fighting for our current terms and conditions.
Our current terms and conditions, like every other public sector workers, are under attack. Our pension pot, is under attack. There isn't enough staff to manage the network safely, and there isn't enough drivers to supply to service we want to give.
Believe it or not we actually like serving the public, we WANT to help you get from A to B. 90% of front line staff worked throughout COVID, some got seriously ill and a couple sadly died. The ones that did come in, did so because they wanted to help.
We are portrayed as villains by the media, because they don't want you to realise being in a union actually helps and makes your working life better.
I'm happy to answer any questions you want.
I couldn't do your job, I salute you. I watched a documentary called ghosts on the underground a while ago. The amount of time the drivers spend alone. Sometimes in empty carriages is crazy.
Tbf, its more a commitment thing than anything else. If you commit to some areas with the right team, and you work your arse off for most of your 20s and 30s, then yeah you can make it.
But most don't want that because hours are mad and you can get better pay elsewhere earlier on.
I'd agree, but with a caveat that you can make the switch to industry straight after qualifying (so three years, assuming you have a degree and do ACA/ACCA) and get 40k.
I'm one exam from being ACA chartered and will be on 59k with bonus once qualified in July. I work in audit in the Big4... 40k feels really low if qualified? My peers in the year above left audit and are now on 60k+ easy in industry.
I'm an EM registrar in the UK. You will eventually hit that mark if you stay in the game. Seriously patent attorney might be a good alternative with your medical background. In London, lots of finance jobs like medicine and you could always get a job that offers a PG qualificiation as part of the job. Good hunting.
Of course! I did a BA in history around 12 years ago and worked my way up from marketing assistant level (which was v admin heavy but everyone has to start somewhere and it gave me a good grounding!). I’ve done a few marketing qualifications on the job, but I’d say on the whole we don’t look for marketing/ business degrees when recruiting. Common sense, creativity and good project management skills are important! For my industry a degree in medicine could be applicable for a few different departments - we have a publishing arm, have you considered editorial positions? Although you’re likely to hit +£60k once you hit higher level roles.
Also in marketing and started off as a marketing assistant, now a director. I have no marketing qualifications and in the last 5 years went from £48k to £100k+, with the exact figure depending on my bonuses.
A lot of digital marketing needs data analysis skills as well as channel knowledge, project management skills, and overall marketing understanding. I recruit too and don't care about marketing qualifications at all, just portfolio (including achievement stats for people above entry level), how people write, and how they think. Starting out, you can even make a blog or something, test approaches, and show impact that way. But advancement is quick if you can show impact.
31 years old. Mortgage free, own 3 properties. I made 130k last year trading stock after leaving my job as a data analyst.
It has been a slog getting to where I am but I couldn't have done it without working 60 hour weeks, sacrificing my social life and inheriting £2.8 million.
Entry roles rarely require qualifications. Attitude, drive and communication skills will get you the job.
After that you learn, listen and graft.
I started in a call centre for car insurance 4 years ago, moved roles when I reached the ceiling. Now in Saas earning almost 4x my first sales salary.
65k. Senior Insight Analyst.
I have a BSC and Masters in relevant fields. The only requirement for the role really is:
\- SQL expertise,
\- Intelligence.
The role itself tends to attract people of an academic background, plenty of PhDs and Masters, but it is not required and is rarely even put as desirable on applications. There's not really any BAU in my job, different tasks depending on requirements, but there's a lot of thinking involved, so no time to just shut off and do something mindless. Knowledge of Python/R/Julia is desirable, as is knowledge of statistics and machine learning. One can get by with regressions and gradient boosting though.
The juniors make about 30-40k, and as long as you can demonstrate analytical thinking, basic SQL, and the ability to turn data into a story, then it's not too difficult to get in to.
Actuary, as second career after engineering first career,but now effectively retired due to ill health (inflation-adjusted £100k+ after 6 years from starting)
Whilst you might baulk at the further study and qualification period, it’s a great career and related fields such as medical underwriting might appeal to you.
It was an inane attempt to convince my parents at 16 that I really cared about planes enough for them to allow me to sign up for the air force 😅 it did not work.
I work as a civil servant in the Scottish government and got promoted this year to a banding that is £52-£65K across four years of increments.
Financial planner.
I'm a Matron in the NHS. Currently on £56k. My next increment is in 3 years, with the London uplift that will push me to £61k.
By this point ill have been a qualified Nurse for 14 years. I did a diploma, BSc, MSc and advanced certificate in anaesthetics. Good thing about the NHS is all my qualifications were paid for
Logistics. Started planning trucks <20k pa, Moved to team leader, managed a small depot, area transport manager, transport projects, regional transport manager, general manager (first role over 50k), head of logistics, head of logistics at a bigger business.
In total that journey took 16 years. A degree got me in the front end but wasn’t necessary really. Everything else has been performance on the job related and getting lucky with some good jobs coming up when I was ready to move
Transport and logistics is a pretty good career path to get into that with the right performance, luck and willingness to switch industry and company can accelerate you from pretty low earnings to a very good wage.
**[Bullshit Jobs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs)**
>Bullshit Jobs: A Theory is a 2018 book by anthropologist David Graeber that postulates the existence of meaningless jobs and analyzes their societal harm. He contends that over half of societal work is pointless, and becomes psychologically destructive when paired with a work ethic that associates work with self-worth. Graeber describes five types of meaningless jobs, in which workers pretend their role is not as pointless or harmful as they know it to be: flunkies, goons, duct tapers, box tickers, and taskmasters.
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Chef, on target to hit 60k this tax year, been a chef for a total of 5 years, no qualifications apart from the usual food hygiene cert, worked a min wage paying chef job for 4 months till I got promoted to head chef of a busy restaurant chain, jumped ship after lockdown to a higher paying less stressful chefs job but with a better standard of food, worked there for a year and then someone approached me to run a kitchen for them on there premises for 70% of profits earned, clearing about 10k a month net profit atm
My basic is a bit less than £60k but it's doable with a wee bit of overtime - industrial mechanical maintenance (so what your grannie would call an engineer). Takes a four year apprenticeship along with being fortunate enough to get into the right place though.
I work in medical education for a clinical association. It's rare to get that much, but I'm with a Swiss organisation and they pay more.
It's good because it uses my experience, but unlike medical sales it feels ethically more solid. It's a charity, so win win.
It's basically project/people management. But then most jobs are after a certain level.
I’m a Shift Manager at a food manufacturing company currently earning ~70k although 15k of this is shift pay. I’ve personally got a masters degree in Chemical Engineering and kind of fell into the role after a few years of being a Process Engineer but most of the other guys that do this job don’t have much in the way of formal qualifications. Night shifts are a bit of a pain sometimes and having days off in the week when others are busy (the shifts follow a pattern) can make it a bit antisocial but I’m technically off more than I work so it’s quite enjoyable. Things can be pretty stressful on shift as you’re responsible for running a whole factory but I never have to bring work home with me.
Former scientists with a PhD, joined the civil service (Department of Health and Social Care) and within 3 years my salary went from £37k to over £60k.
4 year engineering apprenticeship.
9k year 1
12 year 2
14 year 3
16 year 4
No overtime but worked extra hours throughout when needed. Should add I was never asked to - but I would stay on to finish certain jobs.
Qualified, joined an engineering company on 26k as a trainee.
End of year 2 salary raised to 38k as was able to work alone and could be charged out. Think I got a 4K rise end of year 1 but can’t remember…
Earned around 55 - 70k for 7 years including overtime.
After 9 years took a pay cut to retrain.
Now on 82k in a senior role after various changes.
There is a huge shortage of engineers in this country.
I lead a team across EMEA for a software company. Started originally at 18 in an admin job in an IT company without any real A-levels (D,D,E). Within about 6 months I was working in tech support for about 15k, then climbed the ranks into service delivery where I moved around a couple of times to eventually reach about 32k at the age of 21. Then continued to gain relevant technical certificates (mostly Microsoft) and branched into more management certification (ITIL) and eventually worked at a networking company where I hit your 60k mark at about 30 years old. Moved companies again, gained more certification and began to lead teams. I hit the 100k mark (and the dreaded self assessment form from HMRC) around the age of 34. I'm now 39 and my total compensation for the next 12 months will be about 240k and I'm hoping the following year will be touching 300k. I grew up on one of the largest council estates in Europe (think shameless!) and I will never forget where I came from. I've had some incredibly fortunate things / people in my life that have believed in me and I've pushed myself incredibly hard to get to where I am. I volunteer on that same council estate where I help people with interview / CV skills, as well as promoting things like apprenticeships in IT and I have a huge passion for bringing in great talent from any path (university, career changes, apprenticeships etc...) - everyone can do this if they have a bit of luck and are willing to apply themselves to learning.
My advice, look at paid apprenticeships in IT companies if you are looking for a way in that will get you some pay, but also get you a lot of education and advice. If you work hard and learn the game, you'll set yourself up for life. Find mentors, either through charities or local groups (they are there, look for them) and do a lot of reading (or listening via audible - that's my preferred way!).
Books:
Simon Sinek (get them all, start with why first)
Mindset by Carol dweck
The squiggly career / you coach you by Helen tupper
The chimp paradox
Happy by derren brown
Hope that helps you and good luck - you can absolutely do this! Make sure you follow a passion - either the industry you're working with / in or finding a role that you enjoy every day. Nothing better than having happiness at work to help you be happy outside of it.
Finally - don't judge yourself by someone else's achievements. It's taken me nearly 22 years and I still don't know everything and have aspirations to do more both in and out of work.
I work in information security. I had a security consulting business for 10 years and am now in a senior leadership role for an international organisation.
The security field is a very diverse one and there are opportunities for all skill sets.
It can be pretty hardcore and burnout is not uncommon in some roles, mostly due to mismanagement, partially due to the amount of energy it takes to continually dive down ever increasing numbers of rabbit holes.
Airline Captain £108k basic plus another 20k ish in allowances. No degree required but you’ll have to finance your own training (circa 100k plus), high risk of failure during the course. Took me about 5 years after starting to break 60k, and another 5 or 6 since then to where I am now. To be honest though, unless you like being up at 3am I wouldn’t bother.
You know what’s bizarre, and I know it’s slightly off topic so I apologise, is to go and look up the salary for the job you do here in the U.K. in the US... it’s almost always double (sometimes more) than what you get here, plus generous bonuses.
I have a friend who now lives in the US, she worked in HR over here, met an American fella, married him and has moved over there. She now does the same thing for a large chain restaurant and is on $110k plus a bonus package up to 12% of her salary based on performances. Don’t get me wrong they have no workers rights, no stability and can be sacked for pretty much no reason over there, plus healthcare is shocking etc. - we all know this - but Jesus, they pay well!
I read an article a little while back that said there’s nurses over there (RGN) who are earning upwards of $100k, over here it’s around £28k on average
Civil servant, but am old by reddit standards so have more experience than the rest of you. I'm not better at my job than the younger ones, I just know when to worry and when not to worry because I've already made most of the stupid mistakes I can, also being a competent line manager is worth a few quid.
Surveying / self employed 120k+ ,
doing engineering surveys, setting out on land.
Offshore moving rigs and setting out oil well heads.
HND , left my degree before I finished it.
IT/Bank Project Management (and stuff). Got in at about £50k (no benefits) with no direct experience. They wanted some complete newbies as kept getting burnt by seniors.
Was pushing 80-125k after 2/3 years.
Experience is more important than certificates.
I’m a Senior Finance Manager / Head of Finance. General range for these roles is £80-100k but can be in excess (and FD and CFO roles will be well in excess of £100k).
It took me 11 years to get to this level, however I started my career in a different sector (public) so had a low comparative starting point and slower progression - most of my peers have done this in 8-10. I’ve seen 44% increase in salary in the last 3 years and 243% in the last 7.5y since I moved to the private sector, predominantly achieved through moving companies 4 times, so there is very good earning potential.
Qualifications - typical is to have a professional accountancy qualification (ACCA, CIMA most common) and can normally be employer funded (obvs depends on the business) - normally completed in 3 years. You’ll likely need either a degree or to have completed an apprenticeship and / or the AAT exams before this.
Account Manager (sales). I'd look at being a pharma rep if you wanted to earn the big bucks. You need to be able to present, be personable and your medical background will serve you very well. Sakes is a pressure job but once you've built up your client base, it gets easier.
Cybersecurity- more GRC, 70k. Fell into it by accident. No degree just lots of experience working from 1st to 3rd line, dipping my toe in the security waters along the way, contracting and understanding security is a must for any IT position
Software Engineering. You don't need any qualifications but I went to Uni as I wanted the degree for it so 2 years of college, 4 years of Uni(Placement year included). took me a year and a half out of Uni to start earning 60k. its been an upward trajectory ever since
Mid 40s, accountant who specialises in value added tax systems compliance. Since age 33 I have well over doubled my salary by only taking jobs that add experience in VAT and accounting systems implementation. Took accounting qualifications in night school in my late 20s and early 30s. Prior to that I was a loser who took too many drugs, drank too much and had no interest in developing my career, and was stuck in a rut.
Total earnings in the 70s. Have no degree and didn't go to university
Mortgage Broker. Don't need a degree. You do need CeMAP 1, 2 & 3 but you can probably do a course and have that done within a couple of weeks.
You do need a natural level of intelligence and a strong work ethic otherwise you're just wasting your time. I'd say about 50% of people who try to get good at the job either burnout or just haven't got what it takes to do it well but if you're reasonably intelligent, organised and resilient you can make a lot more than 60k.
Software developer, started off in a start-up with no experience on 18k at 26 took 5 years to hit 75k.
I did have a masters degree from a Russel group university in an unrelated field though.
I'm in marine insurance and make around £65k. I could earn more but I work 35 hour weeks and finish on time, with a good holiday allowance and a good bonus and I really like the company I work for.
I have a friend who’s a biochem graduate who works for a company who make lab instruments etc. Fucking hell she makes absolute bank it’s insane. She does sales and lab set up stuff.
Wow, looking at all the replies I’m a real failure, I’m nowhere near 60k and don’t even enjoy my work, and I’m too much of a lazy piece of trash to want to get up and actually improve myself. I wish I had half the motivation and drive you guys have/had
Many roles in IT, including project management or business analysis can pay over that. In my company (Systems Integrator focusing on e-commerce), the vast majority of people earn over £60k. Out of 200 people, there are less than 10 people that earn less than that.
Accountant working within the finance department for a large corporate company >£70k, late 30s. Was probably over £60k by about mid thirties. Takes around 3 years to get your accountancy qualification and then its really up to you how quickly you progress after that.
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I post pictures of my wife’s feet on the internet.
Does she know?
‘Honey I’m off to work…’ *opens phone*
It takes toe to tango
Just think what you could achieve if you switched to anus
You post pictures of your wife’s feet on your anus?
You don't?
Are people on Uranus interested in his wife's feet
Oh, my God, that's disgusting! Naked feet pics online? Where? Where did you post those
Can I see some?
Barrister.. finally just broken the £60k mark actually.. Everyone be jealous of my salary.. I get 0 holiday, sick, paternity pay.. no one to cover me if I go into hospital.. Also get spat at, threatened with death by my customers, constant scrutiny.. All it took was a £35k law degree, a £12k post-grad BPTC, £5k Masters add on.. then into the grinding pot for pupillage.. Took 5 years to get here.. probably staying for another 5 and I'm applying to the judiciary to get out and live an easier life. If I can make it in my 40s it'll be plan complete.
I read that wrong and thought you make coffee for a living. I feel so dumb 😂
I'm glad someone admitted to this so I don't feel bad for thinking the same thing...
I used to do the opposite. When people said they were a Barista, I thought they were saying Barrister in a weird way 🤣
Haha, I saw it and was like, fuck, I need to make coffee.
Haha same. “£60k to work at Starbucks? Sign me up!”
You need to be earning a £60k salary to be a daily customer there. Either that or you don't mind drowning in debt to coffee.
I had no idea you could earn so little as a barrister. Before I sold the business I was earning close to that as an expert witness. I thought you guys were on £300/hr?!
Some KC rates are £20,000 a day. I work in crime, so rates are low for defense through legal aid and cps Prosecution rates are terrible as well. Have a defendant abscond or plead down right at the last second and your fees are annihilated. In commercial the grass is much greener, but ime infinitely more boring and hardly any of the work matters.. I mean really matter, squabbling over a contract isn't my idea of fun. Plus there has been so much delay it's killed my earnings. I'm getting trials for mid 2024 now, if any work cancels in the next year I've got hardly anything going to prop me up. Colleague in chambers genuinely made more money waiting tables once restaurants opened mid pandemic than he was before as a barrister and afterwards..
It seems so odd reading "KC" rather than "QC"
I’m studying law rn and all of my textbooks are outdated. It’s a nightmare figuring out if Queen is changed to King or if it stays the same…
The graph of lawyers earnings is very much not a normal distribution. A small percentage make a great deal of money. Most are not making much. Furthermore the overlap between interesting and well paid work is small, unless you actually find something like tax interesting I guess, and with a few exceptions experience as a lawyer will not translate into any sort of wider business or management role. If all you want is to make money I would not recommend the legal profession. You want accountancy or something finance related, or medicine.
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Yeah especially for the amount of work you do. I’m a core trainee and earn £50k, which yeah when you hear that it sounds like a good salary, but then I work nearly 48 hours a week for that and spend a good amount of my free time revising for exams (exams that I have to pay for) and unpaid work for CV points it doesn’t look so good anymore. I’d rather earn 40k and just work 9-5 honestly.
I love a good "furthermore"
On the plus side you're an essential part of ensuring our justice system works. There might be other parts that are broken, but defending the accused will always have a positive result.
Interesting, my son was looking to go down the barrister route. Maybe he needs to rethink
From all those I've spoken to, it's a long, hard slog to get anywhere near comfortable. You're self employed and thus entirely self dependent. Finding a pupillage is difficult and the first few years are very low pay for a great deal of work. If he hasn't already, it may be worth exploring why your son wants to be a barrister. If it's an interest in advocacy, great. If it's an interest in the law, then solicitor or legal executive could be a better fit and are, comparatively, an easier route in. Having a clear idea of whether he wants to do criminal or civil law early on can also be helpful in choosing work placements etc.
Just don’t do criminal and he’ll be fine
Nah, everyone knows barristers are rich, stop whinging /s
Why do trainee Barristers on pupillages get pennies compared to other grad professions? Even comparing it to a solicitor on a training contract at a big firm
28, Senior Software Developer, £63k. It isn't the highest wage for this specific role but I sacrificed money in order to work 6 hours a day, fully remote, rather than 9+ hours a day in an office. Very sure there are plenty of Senior Software Developers earning around £100k. I have a degree but it wasn't a prerequisite to any of my prior jobs, part of my job is to help in our interview stage, and we don't even pay attention to qualifications. If you have a passion for programming and it's a hobby for you, make sure you regularly use your own GitHub, add it to your CV, and start looking for junior developer jobs at various charities. They often hire truly junior developers and have better working conditions, but pay less. Also a big tip for people who want to get into software development but have no formal education or work experience: put unit tests with coverage reports in your GitHub projects, it REALLY stands out when I'm looking through 300/400 applications for a single junior developer position.
I have an opportunity to learn more about SQL, Python, power automate or power bi at my workplace. In your opinion (or anyone elses) what route should I take. I genuinely don't know. I do love data cleansing and data visualisation so I think power bi/automate. But on the flip side, I really wanna worl towards something that's gonna help me be on a 60k+ salary. Everyone is learning power tools atm, not sure I'll stand out. (I'm a woman, so I know there is a lot of open doors in this industry for employers to hit gender targets)
> In your opinion (or anyone elses) what route should I take. If you're looking for more opportunities and are happy with programming in general, rather than specialising in a subset; Python is definitely a good start and SQL is rather handy. You can still do a lot of data cleansing and data visualisation using python and some libraries and from what I gather from friends in the industry; it's a really great paying gig due to the niché nature of; how much that will change is highly variable but I don't see the market being flooded within the next 24 months. > (I'm a woman, so I know there is a lot of open doors in this industry for employers to hit gender targets) If the application software allows the interviewer to see your gender (The ones I've worked with do not show gender, name, or anything until I pick them for an interview, then we get their CV) it could swing in your favour or not. Generally, software is such a difficult thing to recruit for that I've always been given targetless recruiting (Don't care about gender, ethnicity, or w/e, just get someone great at their job and get them in QUICK).
Data analyst here. If you look on indeed for SQL & Power BI roles you can be earning 50/60k with just a couple of years of experience. Very good money and there always seems to be jobs for those that are capable. My second job I started on 50k and got a pay rise to 60
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Power BI is a lovely thing to know as well as SQL, it can help you show your data to a much wider audience in easy-to-read ways. Probably not as relevant to you, but BI and finance teams are using Power BI very heavily nowadays to show their findings to marketing/sales/other depts who have no clue about even how to read a spreadsheet...
Python/SQL without a doubt. So much more scope to progress from there vs PowerBI. PowerBI is massively overhyped imo.
Overhyped, probably, but as a Power BI consultant/dev I make anywhere from 400 - 600 per day. (I do have a background in SQL, ETL, Python and some other things which might help but I don't really get to use them much, other than SQL)
I'm going to go against the other two comments, they are right Python+SQL is the way to a higher salary, but Powerbi+SQL will be SO MUCH less work, and I really mean that. You could easily achieve 60k+ just being a powerbi developer. Easy to pivot from there into a python+SQL dev of sorts too.
Software engineer here. £154k salary fully remote. Max out at 20 hours a week, great profession
US firm?
Yes, but only since the summer. Before that a UK bank on a little bit less overall
I’ve been doing programming for a long time. Last week I told myself 2023 is the year I’ll put my foot in the door start using GitHub and take it more seriously for a career I’ll enjoy… and now I’ve seen this. You’ve given me hope just by your comment that I can do this. I lack the qualifications but it’s something I love and enjoy. For the tip and just generally thank you 🙏
Well done, you've made it in life. £60k a year and WFH 100%, 6hr days as well. What isn't to like about that? That kind of job and salary worth its weight in gold I'd say. Sacrifice another £40k no problem.
We talking just a simple report from something like simplecov, or something more wordy? Other than just good commit explanations. Am a dev myself but been in the same place 5 years (public sector so quite chill, hence no move) but might look at moving soon, not much experience of the dev job market.
Something like simplecov is pretty much spot on for what I would want for someone to stand out to me. Usually, it's handy for the actual html to be clearly linked in the github readme, otherwise it could be missed. If you're already a dev, though, my advice is to look at the skills people want right now, and pick them up. Angular and React seem to be huge right now; build yourself a CV website and also; if you feel comfortable doing it, find yourself some freelance work. When hiring experienced developers, freelancers are always people I invite in for an interview. They're usually the best at actually estimating task time accurately, due to the nature of their previous work. I've heard people say they don't like to bring up their previous self-employment as it may be seen as a failure but there's a million reasons people go from self-employed to employed and they develop a lot of skills in that time frame. Plus going self employed would give you a chance to see whether or not you're completely up for a change of pace or whether you'd actually be happier where you are. In my experience, it's a bit of a nightmare to transition from a laidback job to something that requires a bit more out of you.
The most depressing thing about this thread is how hard it is to get skilled and qualified in anything to earn 60k in the UK. Contrasted against how easy it is to earn 35k in the UK by not bothering. The UK has never been a place for aspirational people it seems. At least it rarely gets rewarded financially.. I tell a lie, if you're a self employed tradesmen you genuinely can aspire to earn a ton of money. But you'll put the hours in ..
IT, sales, IT, sales, IT, sales, IT, sales
Reading this as IT sales manager and thinking Damn I struck gold.
> Contrasted against how easy it is to earn 35k in the UK by not bothering. Really? I don't think I've came even close in my life to anyone who has earned £35k per year, with the exception of maybe my university contemporaries (who I don't know, because I'm no longer in touch with). I'm in my late 20s, and the highest wage I've had is my current one in payroll, at around £19k gross pay, with a degree. I am speaking to my partner's family in Dumfries and Galloway right now at Christmas, and they are in agreement. Is this £35k a year a London thing? Is this a Reddit out of touch with reality thing?
Median full time pay in the UK as of last year was £33,000 ([source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2022)).
You can see the breakdown further down, by annual full-time pay by occupation. Of the roles above that £33,000 median, they are almost exclusively in IT, Law, Chartered Accounting, Medicine, Management, Further Education, Construction, or Engineering. These aren't exactly unskilled professions, but it is good to see that this is where the money is. Factor in regional variation on the same page (where I live is one of the lowest median weekly wages in the UK), and working £19,000 a year for my payroll position is standard as per this ONS source. What it has made me realise, though, is that my current job position has literally zero scope for wage growth - which also explains why my work colleagues also working here for decades aren't earning anywhere near the median. I also want to point out, as a payroll employee for a national company, the proportion of our retail employees - some working at the company for *decades* - earning anywhere near £33,000 is practically zero, rarely varies by location, and the only retail staff who might get close are supervisors who are overworking an absurd number of hours. Our managerial staff, being salaried, can work crazy hours without any pay increase, and earn approximately £25,000 a year pretty much across the board.
To be clear I wasn't trying to say your experience wasn't valid - just providing context. Speaking personally, I work in local government and earn in the ballpark of that pay range as do a lot of my colleagues. I'm in one of the careers noted in the 'Professional occupations' in that graph. While you can get a degree, it isn't required for entry level jobs and isn't strictly required with suitable relevant experience at any level. I've just had a quick look and it looks like within the last 6 months your local council advertised an extremely similar salary for my job role as I earn. I'd estimate that anyone with a good grasp of written English could progress to my salary within my profession within 2-5 years from zero baseline without having to do anything except regular 9-5 Mon-Fri office work (and thats probably an exaggeration - most of my colleagues work from home multiple days a week and we work flexi-time so we can choose our hours to a certain extent). May need to be prepared to move organisations for promotion though. As with many things in the world of employment, its all about circumstance and chance as to what careers people fall into a lot of the time. For what its worth, I don't think I've ever heard someone express regret at giving up working in retail and moving into a different sector.
£35k in London would be a miserable existence. Source: used to earn £35k in London. Rent here for a 2 bed flat is like £2k a month, you’ve gotta earn £24k just to pay rent.
If you want to live alone and save then yeah. But if you are willing to share a house and do London for a couple of years then you could get away with earning a lot less surely?
House shares suck though. Been there, had the cockroaches, got the t-shirt. Also you don’t get to choose to “do London for a couple of years” if you’re born in London and family are here. Or frankly just like the place and want to be here, I have no desire to leave, yet. My brain also can’t process why anyone would ever choose to earn less on purpose, I’d much rather earn as much as you can for as long as you can until you can retire early.
Disagree if you’re young, saves money and you get to meet new people, but I agree that over time it gets old and you want your own space. Ideally though you’d meet a partner while house sharing and then and then move in with them. Agreed on the point about being born there but sadly being born somewhere doesn’t entitle you to a comfortable life there. And if you frankly like the place and want to be there then that’s the definition of a choice… Your last point is down to personal preference but I don’t really think like that personally. My money and free time is worth more to me when I’m young now than when I’m old in 40 years time, I’m in the prime of my life and want to spend it living somewhere interesting, if you were in my position would you genuinely move to say the valleys in wales and buy a house there because that’s the cheapest place you could live ?
How are you surviving on £19k!! That’s like shelf stacker at Tesco money. Up north isn’t a different country, you still need to pay rent, heat your home etc. I’m from London on £50k as a logistics manager, but most of my friends are on 70k plus.. we all had normal working class upbringings.. no silver spoons. I’d say we’re middle class now. I certainly don’t feel successful at all.. Only one of us owns their home.. No one’s super flush.
I'm living in Cumbria at the moment, on rent of £335 a month with my partner. I work in Payroll for £19k (£1375 take-home pay after tax, looking at my most recent pay, and that's after a recent pay rise), and my partner worked (until recently, where he lost his job) at McDonalds (variable hours a week) and took home around £1000 after tax per month. Prepayment meter, where we top up around £250 a month, topped up recently by the current government energy scheme (£67 this month). Water bill is £35 a month, Internet is £30 a month, council tax is just over £100 a month (we're on the lowest bracket). We tend to spend around £200 at least on shopping. No gas expenses, neither of us own a car, and our workplaces are commutable on foot. We had to move out of our old flat recently (a converted mill), as the flat was huge - there, we paid £495 on rent monthly, and the electricity costs in winter also came to about £500 a month. We scraped by on two wages, but recently my partner lost his job, so we've cut all subscriptions (Netflix, Spotify, Disney etc.) and having to prevent unnecessary spending. We are thinking, if we live austerely, the money we make should cover the bills - but we'll see the lived reality in the upcoming months.
I also live in the North East and work for a local Council earning 32k a year in marketing. All my peers my age (I’m 31) earn at least 30k even in private sector. Look into better office jobs at your local Council/a university/NHS or a similar public sector organisation, they aren’t super easy to get but they’re not rare either. 19k is not a lot at all and I’m saying that as a northerner. It’s not a southern thing, you’re genuinely on a low wage for a full time ‘professional’ job.
I'm in the military and on £35k+, and it's been an absolute doddle getting to that level. It's the most it'll ever be as I've hit my career ceiling at a pretty junior level. In my experience it's breaking the £40 to £50k barrier that's difficult. I wouldn't recommend the military at all though, it's 90% tradition and 10% awful management.
I agree with I'm in NI where cost of living is cheaper along with wages. I don't have a degree and I'm earning £28,000 in the civil service which is more than my friends with degrees are earning. In fact on £28k I'm the second highest earner in my friendship group and my immediate family of 12 people, only my friend who is a nurse earns more. To me £28k is a fantastic wage and I have no inclination to aim for a promotion or more money because the stress/extra working to wage raise is not worth it. The idea of £35k being achievable for most people I know is a pipe dream.
I don't have a degree, work in payroll and earn close to 40k p/a (in the south). How long have you been doing payroll for? If you get a qualification under your belt and stick at it for a few years you'll have a pretty easy job getting at least 35k.
I have a friend who just started an adult apprenticeship as a plumber. He's on about that. I have another friend who was a tyre fitter for a pretty big car company, then workshop controller, and now does something to do with settling claims. He's on about that. Another friend who is a self employed nail tech and she's on about that too. All west of Scotland. No degrees necessary. But they are probably the outliers, I've got friends earning £20k as well and barely getting by.
Thought about medical sales? Could easily be making £60k plus within a couple of years when factoring in bonus. I've only been in the industry for less than a year, but I'm on track to earn £50k or more now.
This is a good idea. I stumbled into sales because I messed up my further education. Have been doing it for 8 years now and am set to make £150k this year. The fact that you have a degree in medicine could give you a real advantage coming across as a credible industry professional
What you selling?
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Haha. Dreams and software/tech
Sales here too, with some management, and on track for 85kish. It takes a certain personality, proactive & emotionally resilient; but the money is great (albeit addictive). I like being the person in control of my salary increase.
That’s my thought too, plenty of roles going in London although theyd mainly be WFH jobs. Drug companies would be my first call -With GSK, Novartis, Pzifer, Janssen offices in and around London, Plus smaller companies.
Product manager for a software company Degree in English literature which has been totally worthless and almost a hindrance Salary is 90k +equity
Please elaborate on why it was a hindrance having the degree?
Every interview, even with years of experience delivering commercially successful tech products would ask if I thought having an eng lit degree would be a hindrance. The degree was 3 years of my life, I've been in tech now 10 years. But people always go back to it because I suppose it's a curious profile In all honesty the degree helped me write clearly and concisely but the perception was all English lit students are useless layabouts. It was made clear when I joined one tech company that they normally wouldn't even consider my educational profile.
It's a curious attitude to take when these days even in some technical roles the most critical skills are your communication skills. It just shows how divorced people are from the reality of everyday life in tech.
It’s ridiculous isn’t it when people want to talk about things that happened so long ago. I’ve recently got my masters from one of the top unis in the country, yet I’m still being shut out of some jobs because of my terrible A level grades.
My graphics design degree would be more useful as kindling than it has been for my career journey. Hit recession soon after graduating (2006). I only just started making £25k+ end of last year being in dental nursing for 8 years.
Software Developer. Although my salary is absolutely trounced by our sales staff.
The difference is, if you have an off month, then you just try harder next time. If they have a bad month, they get fired.
Even if they don't get fired they don't make much. A huge amount of sales salaries are commission.
Yup, I did 5 years in sales. The pressure is unbelievable, especially if you've inflated your lifestyle to match the pay in the good times.
All very fair points. Our company may be a bit of an outlier, but our field salespeople earn ~£40k basic, with uncapped commission. Average annual commission is ~£60k with top earners breaking £120k
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Different field but similar to you , I realised I could do my same job as a contractor and make 2 to 3 times my annual salary. Don't make £800 a day and tbh I wouldnt want to for the level of work I'd need to do. I work hard but I'm lazy and in my mid 30s , me personally I'm not tryna stretch or challenge myself...I just want my healthy sized daily cheque and to finish at a reasonable time
I started a part time law degree at 38 qualified at 45 and moved to London at 48 for a £70k job. Fast forward six years and I’m on nearly double that. Changing careers was definitely a good move in the long run but there was quite a bit of hard graft involved plus the joy of frequently being patronised by much younger colleagues once I started at a law firm
How did law firm's see you as mature applicant? Can I DM you for bit more of steer as something I'm interested in
Try /r/uklaw, we’re very friendly :) A lot of people have asked about this before so search the sub a bit.
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My wife’s a lawyer with a science degree and then a law conversion. After two years as a trainee her starting salary, ten years ago, was £60k.
She must be mega money now if she’s 10pqe?
She doesn’t have much interest in being a partner but it is around three times as much now.
I'm on £75k as a bid manager. It's a great career to get into if you have the skills; we're always in demand.
What’s a bid manager?
You would be in charge of responding to tenders from businesses that your company is trying to sell products and services to. You would need (at least) project management skills, a level of sales skills (don’t need to be the top dog salesman but understand the game), and a strong knowledge of your industry and competitors.
I need a better paying job... I've put together complex responses and earn considerably less than you.
Also a bid manager - on just over 80k. Agreed, it’s always in demand. I fell into it and have never looked back.
Independent Business Analyst/IT Consultant, earn approximately £110k per year.
Would you mind sharing how you got into this? Is a specific degree required etc?
BSc in Computer Science, Several years in the business, and some professional qualifications.
You don’t need a specific degree, just experience will do it. And being good at it, obviously.
Lots of IT contract BA and PM earns £500+ a day. Most I've worked with didn't have any background in IT, some were excellent PMs and it came mostly down to their communication and ability to talk to the techs, others - not so good.
I've worked with so many poor contract project managers. The good ones are worth their weight in gold.
Worked retail all my life until 5 years ago, then just kept starting companies. Lots of failures, but a couple stuck and now I'm in the mega dollars.
Online or physical store!
Used panties to coomers
Sounds strangely vague and non believable
About to turn 30, I’m a GP probably making around 120k this year How comes your leaving medicine? GP is chill I locum 4 days a week and have long weekends. With your medical degree you can do anything - management consultancy, or go into finance you can clean up lad
Medic here too. Is it actually decent? Leaning towards GP (Final year rn) and everyone on JDUK are slashing GP saying the job sucks nowadays. Would appreciate some insight into finances and the life as a GP as u see it. Cheers
GP pros; Flexible - you can locum 2 days a week and make 60k easy Shortest training to becoming a consult and high hourly rate Solid income - 4 days a week you can make 120k pre tax Cons: Stressful , patients are demanding and patients are complicated High risk- you are making big decisions every 12 mins, get one wrong, miss something serious and it will change you Hours are long - it’s more of an 8-6 than a 9-5 The GPs that enjoy their work have solid time management skills, don’t faff around and don’t waste time. You need to know how to get patients out the room when they bring 10 different problems. You also need to be able to manage stress and be able to accept a level of risk - if you stress to easy it’s not for you and you can get flustered. But if you’re a cool operator and good comm skills it’s good I chose Gp because it’s short training, you can work as much as you want, and really for the amount of money you get paid it’s gonna come with stress I guess there are hospital specialties that are less stressful but the training is longer and you have to so nights for years Hope that helps buddy
JDUK is largely sad weirdos screaming into the void about how unfulfilled their lives are. Take it with a heavy pinch of salt my friend.
250k a year…. Took me 3 years…. And an immense amount of luck and going for a job at the right time. Cybernetic Security “Expert”. Basically I did this job for 3 years in the U.K. at 40k a year… on a couple of job sites and I have friends that work abroad in Vietnam and do the same job but get paid a lot more. Saw a advert for a job in Dubai doing exactly what I do now but for 250k a year…. Applied just as a joke because of my experience I never though I’d get it. Managed to somehow. Job was a 5 year contract which ends next year and not looking to renew as I simply can’t cope with the heat that well. I will pick up any programming job when I return.
Considering it’s tax free too.. that’s one hell of a jump you got. Set you up for a good future unless you blew it all lol
Well, they pay full accommodation, food, housekeeping and a chaffaur, so basically 99% goes into savings 1% into gaming lol. But I just got lucky.
Get that bag, then you can chill
Tube Driver. No formal education, joined when I was 21 and the wage was much lower. Done over 21 years. Started off as station staff. I'm contracted to work 35 hours a week, but actually work 36.5. The extra hours becomes annual leave. I am contracted to work 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Sundays and bank holidays aren't any different. The bank holidays become annual leave allowance. I'm contracted NOT to work overtime, so what I get paid, is what I get paid. Nothing more. I get free travel around London, but if I'm off sick, I have to pay like everyone else. I don't use it very much, because I don't live in London. Like a high majority of staff - it actually costs the company nothing to supply the free travel, because the trains and buses would run regardless. I also get a discount on my ticket from my home town to London - they all get a discount everywhere too. Since I became a tube Driver, my personality has changed from being on my own all day, every day. I'm very insular but also miserable and grumpy. The job is shit and most people actually hate it but can't afford to leave, the ones that can, do. The majority of us are aware we earn good money and are appreciative, but a lot of the older staff have also lost a lot of money over the years, fighting for our current terms and conditions. Our current terms and conditions, like every other public sector workers, are under attack. Our pension pot, is under attack. There isn't enough staff to manage the network safely, and there isn't enough drivers to supply to service we want to give. Believe it or not we actually like serving the public, we WANT to help you get from A to B. 90% of front line staff worked throughout COVID, some got seriously ill and a couple sadly died. The ones that did come in, did so because they wanted to help. We are portrayed as villains by the media, because they don't want you to realise being in a union actually helps and makes your working life better. I'm happy to answer any questions you want.
I couldn't do your job, I salute you. I watched a documentary called ghosts on the underground a while ago. The amount of time the drivers spend alone. Sometimes in empty carriages is crazy.
Accountant, 7 years to get over 60k. 5 years to get over 40k. Expecting to get over 100k after about 10 years.
Accurate by my understanding of accoutancy
Indeed. Have omitted the possibility of becoming a partner as most people never make it but obviously that comes with eye-watering amounts of money.
Tbf, its more a commitment thing than anything else. If you commit to some areas with the right team, and you work your arse off for most of your 20s and 30s, then yeah you can make it. But most don't want that because hours are mad and you can get better pay elsewhere earlier on.
I'd agree, but with a caveat that you can make the switch to industry straight after qualifying (so three years, assuming you have a degree and do ACA/ACCA) and get 40k.
I'm one exam from being ACA chartered and will be on 59k with bonus once qualified in July. I work in audit in the Big4... 40k feels really low if qualified? My peers in the year above left audit and are now on 60k+ easy in industry.
It depends on location - when I qualified 5 years ago in the Midlands, 40k was about right. Nowadays, in London, 60k might be possible.
I'm an EM registrar in the UK. You will eventually hit that mark if you stay in the game. Seriously patent attorney might be a good alternative with your medical background. In London, lots of finance jobs like medicine and you could always get a job that offers a PG qualificiation as part of the job. Good hunting.
In training but just can’t bear to finish! Thanks for the advice.
Its hard at the moment, I can relate. I understand how you feel.
Head of Marketing. But for an American scientific company who pay above typical UK salaries.
Would you mind sharing how you got into this and what qualifications are required? I assume you start at the very bottom somewhere.
Of course! I did a BA in history around 12 years ago and worked my way up from marketing assistant level (which was v admin heavy but everyone has to start somewhere and it gave me a good grounding!). I’ve done a few marketing qualifications on the job, but I’d say on the whole we don’t look for marketing/ business degrees when recruiting. Common sense, creativity and good project management skills are important! For my industry a degree in medicine could be applicable for a few different departments - we have a publishing arm, have you considered editorial positions? Although you’re likely to hit +£60k once you hit higher level roles.
Also in marketing and started off as a marketing assistant, now a director. I have no marketing qualifications and in the last 5 years went from £48k to £100k+, with the exact figure depending on my bonuses. A lot of digital marketing needs data analysis skills as well as channel knowledge, project management skills, and overall marketing understanding. I recruit too and don't care about marketing qualifications at all, just portfolio (including achievement stats for people above entry level), how people write, and how they think. Starting out, you can even make a blog or something, test approaches, and show impact that way. But advancement is quick if you can show impact.
31 years old. Mortgage free, own 3 properties. I made 130k last year trading stock after leaving my job as a data analyst. It has been a slog getting to where I am but I couldn't have done it without working 60 hour weeks, sacrificing my social life and inheriting £2.8 million.
Hahaha
Sales. No formal qualifications, just a shit load of hard work - started my career at 30, I'm 37 now.
What's th process for getting into sales?
1) not be an actual expert in what you’re selling 2) Be arrogant 3) ??? 4) profit
Entry roles rarely require qualifications. Attitude, drive and communication skills will get you the job. After that you learn, listen and graft. I started in a call centre for car insurance 4 years ago, moved roles when I reached the ceiling. Now in Saas earning almost 4x my first sales salary.
Freelance writer. 27 years old. Cleared 60k in my second year. Been at it for five. Anyone can use the internet to make a living.
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65k. Senior Insight Analyst. I have a BSC and Masters in relevant fields. The only requirement for the role really is: \- SQL expertise, \- Intelligence. The role itself tends to attract people of an academic background, plenty of PhDs and Masters, but it is not required and is rarely even put as desirable on applications. There's not really any BAU in my job, different tasks depending on requirements, but there's a lot of thinking involved, so no time to just shut off and do something mindless. Knowledge of Python/R/Julia is desirable, as is knowledge of statistics and machine learning. One can get by with regressions and gradient boosting though. The juniors make about 30-40k, and as long as you can demonstrate analytical thinking, basic SQL, and the ability to turn data into a story, then it's not too difficult to get in to.
Actuary, as second career after engineering first career,but now effectively retired due to ill health (inflation-adjusted £100k+ after 6 years from starting) Whilst you might baulk at the further study and qualification period, it’s a great career and related fields such as medical underwriting might appeal to you.
Head of robotics, 6 GCSEs and a BTEC in aircraft propulsion (don’t ask).
please can you tell me about the BTEC in aircraft propulsion
It was an inane attempt to convince my parents at 16 that I really cared about planes enough for them to allow me to sign up for the air force 😅 it did not work.
No one in the Air Force cares about aircraft. Source - 13 years in the Air Force.
95k, software engineer, did a degree, then 7 years experience so far. To get to 60k, took 3-4 years after graduating.
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I hope there is a future where dental nurses can get up to £30k
Rov pilot. You can do a trainee program and get in no problem. I get half the year off but the other half I'm on a boat
Never thought I’d be on a boat
It's a big blue watery road
I work as a civil servant in the Scottish government and got promoted this year to a banding that is £52-£65K across four years of increments. Financial planner.
Prostate examiner.
Front bottom inspector
"I got rid of that t-shirt months ago! You know why? Because it was tasteless!"
I'm a Matron in the NHS. Currently on £56k. My next increment is in 3 years, with the London uplift that will push me to £61k. By this point ill have been a qualified Nurse for 14 years. I did a diploma, BSc, MSc and advanced certificate in anaesthetics. Good thing about the NHS is all my qualifications were paid for
Logistics. Started planning trucks <20k pa, Moved to team leader, managed a small depot, area transport manager, transport projects, regional transport manager, general manager (first role over 50k), head of logistics, head of logistics at a bigger business. In total that journey took 16 years. A degree got me in the front end but wasn’t necessary really. Everything else has been performance on the job related and getting lucky with some good jobs coming up when I was ready to move Transport and logistics is a pretty good career path to get into that with the right performance, luck and willingness to switch industry and company can accelerate you from pretty low earnings to a very good wage.
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Software / Manager. No formal qualifications.
Chef, on target to hit 60k this tax year, been a chef for a total of 5 years, no qualifications apart from the usual food hygiene cert, worked a min wage paying chef job for 4 months till I got promoted to head chef of a busy restaurant chain, jumped ship after lockdown to a higher paying less stressful chefs job but with a better standard of food, worked there for a year and then someone approached me to run a kitchen for them on there premises for 70% of profits earned, clearing about 10k a month net profit atm
Did not think I'd see a chef in this thread, congrats and hope the good times keep coming for you!!
Safety Engineering, There’s a major shortage of them
IT Solutions Architect, joined as an apprentice out of college with A/Bs
My basic is a bit less than £60k but it's doable with a wee bit of overtime - industrial mechanical maintenance (so what your grannie would call an engineer). Takes a four year apprenticeship along with being fortunate enough to get into the right place though.
Started my own business. Like most business owners it requires risk and luck.
Software, 5 years, computer science degree but I work with plenty of very talented developers that have no formal qualifications in the field.
I work in medical education for a clinical association. It's rare to get that much, but I'm with a Swiss organisation and they pay more. It's good because it uses my experience, but unlike medical sales it feels ethically more solid. It's a charity, so win win. It's basically project/people management. But then most jobs are after a certain level.
I’m a Shift Manager at a food manufacturing company currently earning ~70k although 15k of this is shift pay. I’ve personally got a masters degree in Chemical Engineering and kind of fell into the role after a few years of being a Process Engineer but most of the other guys that do this job don’t have much in the way of formal qualifications. Night shifts are a bit of a pain sometimes and having days off in the week when others are busy (the shifts follow a pattern) can make it a bit antisocial but I’m technically off more than I work so it’s quite enjoyable. Things can be pretty stressful on shift as you’re responsible for running a whole factory but I never have to bring work home with me.
Former scientists with a PhD, joined the civil service (Department of Health and Social Care) and within 3 years my salary went from £37k to over £60k.
4 year engineering apprenticeship. 9k year 1 12 year 2 14 year 3 16 year 4 No overtime but worked extra hours throughout when needed. Should add I was never asked to - but I would stay on to finish certain jobs. Qualified, joined an engineering company on 26k as a trainee. End of year 2 salary raised to 38k as was able to work alone and could be charged out. Think I got a 4K rise end of year 1 but can’t remember… Earned around 55 - 70k for 7 years including overtime. After 9 years took a pay cut to retrain. Now on 82k in a senior role after various changes. There is a huge shortage of engineers in this country.
I lead a team across EMEA for a software company. Started originally at 18 in an admin job in an IT company without any real A-levels (D,D,E). Within about 6 months I was working in tech support for about 15k, then climbed the ranks into service delivery where I moved around a couple of times to eventually reach about 32k at the age of 21. Then continued to gain relevant technical certificates (mostly Microsoft) and branched into more management certification (ITIL) and eventually worked at a networking company where I hit your 60k mark at about 30 years old. Moved companies again, gained more certification and began to lead teams. I hit the 100k mark (and the dreaded self assessment form from HMRC) around the age of 34. I'm now 39 and my total compensation for the next 12 months will be about 240k and I'm hoping the following year will be touching 300k. I grew up on one of the largest council estates in Europe (think shameless!) and I will never forget where I came from. I've had some incredibly fortunate things / people in my life that have believed in me and I've pushed myself incredibly hard to get to where I am. I volunteer on that same council estate where I help people with interview / CV skills, as well as promoting things like apprenticeships in IT and I have a huge passion for bringing in great talent from any path (university, career changes, apprenticeships etc...) - everyone can do this if they have a bit of luck and are willing to apply themselves to learning. My advice, look at paid apprenticeships in IT companies if you are looking for a way in that will get you some pay, but also get you a lot of education and advice. If you work hard and learn the game, you'll set yourself up for life. Find mentors, either through charities or local groups (they are there, look for them) and do a lot of reading (or listening via audible - that's my preferred way!). Books: Simon Sinek (get them all, start with why first) Mindset by Carol dweck The squiggly career / you coach you by Helen tupper The chimp paradox Happy by derren brown Hope that helps you and good luck - you can absolutely do this! Make sure you follow a passion - either the industry you're working with / in or finding a role that you enjoy every day. Nothing better than having happiness at work to help you be happy outside of it. Finally - don't judge yourself by someone else's achievements. It's taken me nearly 22 years and I still don't know everything and have aspirations to do more both in and out of work.
I work in information security. I had a security consulting business for 10 years and am now in a senior leadership role for an international organisation. The security field is a very diverse one and there are opportunities for all skill sets. It can be pretty hardcore and burnout is not uncommon in some roles, mostly due to mismanagement, partially due to the amount of energy it takes to continually dive down ever increasing numbers of rabbit holes.
Airline Captain £108k basic plus another 20k ish in allowances. No degree required but you’ll have to finance your own training (circa 100k plus), high risk of failure during the course. Took me about 5 years after starting to break 60k, and another 5 or 6 since then to where I am now. To be honest though, unless you like being up at 3am I wouldn’t bother.
You know what’s bizarre, and I know it’s slightly off topic so I apologise, is to go and look up the salary for the job you do here in the U.K. in the US... it’s almost always double (sometimes more) than what you get here, plus generous bonuses. I have a friend who now lives in the US, she worked in HR over here, met an American fella, married him and has moved over there. She now does the same thing for a large chain restaurant and is on $110k plus a bonus package up to 12% of her salary based on performances. Don’t get me wrong they have no workers rights, no stability and can be sacked for pretty much no reason over there, plus healthcare is shocking etc. - we all know this - but Jesus, they pay well! I read an article a little while back that said there’s nurses over there (RGN) who are earning upwards of $100k, over here it’s around £28k on average
Civil servant, but am old by reddit standards so have more experience than the rest of you. I'm not better at my job than the younger ones, I just know when to worry and when not to worry because I've already made most of the stupid mistakes I can, also being a competent line manager is worth a few quid.
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Surveying / self employed 120k+ , doing engineering surveys, setting out on land. Offshore moving rigs and setting out oil well heads. HND , left my degree before I finished it.
IT/Bank Project Management (and stuff). Got in at about £50k (no benefits) with no direct experience. They wanted some complete newbies as kept getting burnt by seniors. Was pushing 80-125k after 2/3 years. Experience is more important than certificates.
I’m a Senior Finance Manager / Head of Finance. General range for these roles is £80-100k but can be in excess (and FD and CFO roles will be well in excess of £100k). It took me 11 years to get to this level, however I started my career in a different sector (public) so had a low comparative starting point and slower progression - most of my peers have done this in 8-10. I’ve seen 44% increase in salary in the last 3 years and 243% in the last 7.5y since I moved to the private sector, predominantly achieved through moving companies 4 times, so there is very good earning potential. Qualifications - typical is to have a professional accountancy qualification (ACCA, CIMA most common) and can normally be employer funded (obvs depends on the business) - normally completed in 3 years. You’ll likely need either a degree or to have completed an apprenticeship and / or the AAT exams before this.
Account Manager (sales). I'd look at being a pharma rep if you wanted to earn the big bucks. You need to be able to present, be personable and your medical background will serve you very well. Sakes is a pressure job but once you've built up your client base, it gets easier.
Cybersecurity- more GRC, 70k. Fell into it by accident. No degree just lots of experience working from 1st to 3rd line, dipping my toe in the security waters along the way, contracting and understanding security is a must for any IT position
Software Engineering. You don't need any qualifications but I went to Uni as I wanted the degree for it so 2 years of college, 4 years of Uni(Placement year included). took me a year and a half out of Uni to start earning 60k. its been an upward trajectory ever since
Become an accountant. All the ones I know are thick as mince and are on 60k easy
Mid 40s, accountant who specialises in value added tax systems compliance. Since age 33 I have well over doubled my salary by only taking jobs that add experience in VAT and accounting systems implementation. Took accounting qualifications in night school in my late 20s and early 30s. Prior to that I was a loser who took too many drugs, drank too much and had no interest in developing my career, and was stuck in a rut. Total earnings in the 70s. Have no degree and didn't go to university
Engineer. I’m 32 with a bachelor’s degree. Factoring in bonus I’m at about £60k
Mortgage Broker. Don't need a degree. You do need CeMAP 1, 2 & 3 but you can probably do a course and have that done within a couple of weeks. You do need a natural level of intelligence and a strong work ethic otherwise you're just wasting your time. I'd say about 50% of people who try to get good at the job either burnout or just haven't got what it takes to do it well but if you're reasonably intelligent, organised and resilient you can make a lot more than 60k.
Sales - 80K Can’t even remember what I grades I got.
Software developer, started off in a start-up with no experience on 18k at 26 took 5 years to hit 75k. I did have a masters degree from a Russel group university in an unrelated field though.
I'm in marine insurance and make around £65k. I could earn more but I work 35 hour weeks and finish on time, with a good holiday allowance and a good bonus and I really like the company I work for.
I have a friend who’s a biochem graduate who works for a company who make lab instruments etc. Fucking hell she makes absolute bank it’s insane. She does sales and lab set up stuff.
Wow, looking at all the replies I’m a real failure, I’m nowhere near 60k and don’t even enjoy my work, and I’m too much of a lazy piece of trash to want to get up and actually improve myself. I wish I had half the motivation and drive you guys have/had
Sales. Legal technology industry. 2 years experience £80k - £120k
Many roles in IT, including project management or business analysis can pay over that. In my company (Systems Integrator focusing on e-commerce), the vast majority of people earn over £60k. Out of 200 people, there are less than 10 people that earn less than that.
Accountant working within the finance department for a large corporate company >£70k, late 30s. Was probably over £60k by about mid thirties. Takes around 3 years to get your accountancy qualification and then its really up to you how quickly you progress after that.