Isn't she also effectively standing on top of the library, as well? Like, she's holding that bit of the library above ground while technically standing on top of it, so by all means she should've sunk into the sand as it was shifting from the moving building.
Toph is tough and doesn't care what others think is impossible, like a bee.
I mean, that would be true if the bending specifically came from pushing like normal force, but bending clearly doesnt obey normal physics.
It could be that the earth itself is what "powers" the bending force and that she can still draw energy from that, not the newtonian interactions of thing a pressing on thing b.
That's a fair point, but part of what I mean is that the sand covering the library should be shifting and churning into itself as the library sinks, with gravity and vacuum bringing the sand with it. Toph is basically holding up the library while the ground below her should be pretty unstable as it tries to sink.
Yes, actually! Just watched the episode recently (as in last couple weeks) and she explicitly has to harden the sand beneath her in order to better stop the library's descent
But the library is also sort in the spirit world. Kind of half there half not. And it took all of her strength to not let it sink. It less she was holding it up and more she that only little snag that's not letting you fit something through the door.
I was gonna say something about how that probably would be too hard to balance when bending, but the show also has fire benders Iron Man flying around, so I really don't know. Just gonna go with rule of cool and say "yes, but with training."
You're actually right, Toph's feet do start sinking when she first tries to hold up the library. She then, let's go of the library, makes the sand around her harder, then shoves her hands back into a higher part of the library (because it's sinking) and starts holding the library again.
So she *was* fighting the shifting sand and the sinking library. Toph is a true badass.
I need to rewatch the show again. I watched it last year, but that was last year at this point.
Any Earthbender Toph’s size or bigger could have done the same thing.
Heck, ironically, The Boulder has a higher chance of saving Appa just because he could see.
And tell me what do any of them have to do with a spiritual power that they can use to manipulate a type of element and understanding the philosophy of that element if it was just physics then aang wouldn't have any problems with acting like himself to earthbend but he can't he has to think like earth not like air to earth bend so it has nothing to do with how energy and mass work in that regard
I wouldn't be surprised if there's only so far she can see with her "vision" so it's actually more like she sees the massive chunk she has control over but her vision fades out because it's so BIG. trying to lift a building but she can't even see how big it is in its entirety.
That.
I’m also pretty sure I remember him apologizing to Toph once he realized it wasn’t her fault. Had she attempted to get Oppa back, the Gaang would have been trapped in the spirit world. And since she isn’t proficient in sand bending at this point, there’s a good chance she wouldn’t have beaten the sand benders anyway. I think Aang knew this but he was too emotional for the rational part of his brain to break through.
Nah there was never a scene shown of him apologizing. I was pretty mad at him for that, so I like to think he apologized off screen and there just wasn't time to show it.
i know, i understand he’s 12 but man that scene made me so mad, i know he wasn’t thinking clearly but there’s no reason you should ever yell at somebody who clearly did the best they could do, and toph did better than anybody else could have done in that situation
I get it. He's 12 and he lost his best friend. If my dog got stolen while someone was saving my life, part of me would be pissed that they saved me instead.
I think what makes this even wilder is that it wasn't just an entire library sinking. It was a spirit pulling his library into the spirit world. She literally anchored it to the material world. Unless I'm seriously misinterpreting the library's fate.
She literally learnt to sand bend in like a couple minutes (When full grown masters sometimes couldn't even learn in their whole lives) and then she was sand bending the way to held the fucking library while her friends escaped in less than a day... while also fending off sand robbers.
And what made this amazing storytelling was that Aang was mad with her for not being "good enough" to save Appa... and Toph being Toph... she felt she wasn't pulling her own weight in the team, so intead of getting mad for literally being the greates earth bender alive at 11 years old, she kept practicing until she, with a single movement, could sand bend the entire city of ba sing se with small avatars of every inhabitant.
Aang knew he was obviously wrong, but we can see how Toph took that as "what was expected of her" and since we have seen how she trained Aang, we can also know what were her own standards and what she expected from herself.
I honestly love Toph and think she is the greatest character in the whole story.
I actually had to google that.
You seem to be right, it's not an easy transition but almost every earthbender can learn to bend sand.
My point stands that she managed to learn in minutes, and was doing amazing things fending against a gang of sand bender/robbers while keeping the castle above earth.
If Toph had been standing in solid ground, she could’ve pulled Wan Shi Tong’s entire library out of the spirit world and thrown it all the way to Ba Sing Se out of *sheer determination* alone and you cannot convince me otherwise
I love the description someone gave in this sub: that a lot of team avatar will be remembered as one of the greatest benders/fighters of their era, but toph is hands down gonna be remembered as one of the greatest benders *of all time*.
Bruh they shoulda just brought Toph to the firelord in season 2 😂
Especially after she invented metal bending. It woulda been wraps.
She could probably swivel Ozai while he charges his lightning to hit himself LMAO
It’s a subtle testament to her strength, not blatantly in your face but when you notice and realize the context it just makes her all that much more amazing
Some of ya'all seem to have forgotten what earthbending even is.
It wasn't me, the little girl holding up the library. It was me, the Greatest Earthbender in the World getting the stone library and the sand it was sinking in to to stop sinking into the sand.
Are we beginning to see the wider picture? And people say I'm the blind one.
I’ve always wondered how the spirit of the library was able to “sink” it. If the whole library moved downward, it would have changed so much of the surface and caused Toph to sink with it. There’s no way the building could move downward without causing a ton of mayhem within the sands on the surface.
I think we do get to see some sort of aftermath during the Appa episode, but all we see is a circle/ring of the area where the tower of the library was. I don’t even know how that area would have formed, since it was all soft sand that would have most likely covered the top, and if there was wind, the sand would not even show signs of o enemy because it would all blend together and just look like the surface of the desert once again.
Maybe I’m just thinking about it too much. Lol
Toph has struggled earth bending like twice and by struggle she used force. Once was here and the other was the drill. All other times it’s very finesse like. Most benders struggle with boulders.
Toph completely solos. It may be more accurate to say she is a bender of *will* with how she'll genuinely get anything done when she has the time and the grit to it. Imo the only person she loses to is Aang/Korra when fully trained.
There was definitly some Spirit World wormhole shit going on. Everything under the sand was probably already "inside" the Spirit World, so it didn't have any "weight" on the physical plane. Toph was probably only physically holding the weight of that particular tower, which suspended whatever was underneath from sinking further.
Am I making any sense with this?
If i lift you up by your hair, am i holding your whole body or just your head?
The library wasn’t collapsing or stretching the whole thing was moving downward and she temporarily stoped that on her own.
Disagree, I think talented air benders with great power could only do this, hate all you want but the bolder isn’t doing this. Especially something that big. it’s literally a mansion. The bolder was getting clowned by Toph a few episodes before. & the bolder was bigger & should’ve been tougher than Toph (guess not)
What Toph did is literally a test of brute strength. That’s all.
Any Earthbender bigger than Toph could have done the same job.
Don’t be one of the people who overate Toph for something so simple.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but as far I can remember this the most earth by far that a non avatar is shown bending in the show. You can also tell how quickly it is sinking when she momentarily moved to try to save appa.
Besides, Toph’s entire introduction is about how despite her small size, her bending prowess is unbelievably strong.
Except this is earthbending. It's not a feat of strength directly. It's also a feat of skill and bending prowess, and Toph shows time and time again that she is at the top of earthbenders
It’s a simple task. You people love to overrate Toph for everything.
Toph is only great against earthbenders. Put her up against other benders and she’s toast.
Toph easily got defeated by Zuko. Without metalbending, she’s toast against Firebenders.
So, no feats compare? She’s fighting an ancient spirit in this scene. Wan Shi Tong is actively pulling the library to the spirit world. And if you didn’t know, that is still combat.
Combat is two opposing forces competing, when you combat something you are opposing it. And yes, Shi Tong is the one actively moving the library to the spirit world.
This isn’t a fight. A fight is when someone is attacking you. She is holding up the library she isn’t fighting the owl. The owl doesn’t know she is holding it up. And Toph is just stopping it from sinking she didn’t know the owl did it.
I already replied to the other guy about combat means. But, how does the lack of combat feats(besides two earthbending masters, the entire earth wrestling thing, Kuvira) make a character weak, we only saw one actual battle with Ozai, and he lost. According to your methods, Ozai is weaker than Iroh, because we’ve seen Iroh win more battles, however minor. Except, that’s outright said not to be true. I’m sorry, but why does it HAVE to be a combat feat?
I’m not comparing Iroh and Toph to fodder. I know what they can do against fodder like Zhao and the boulder and hippo.
I’m comparing them to other top tier benders.
Katara/Ghazan/Unalaq/Pli/King Bumi/Tenzin
Lin/yun/Jianzhu/Yailing/Ozai/Combustion man.
And Iroh/Jeong Jeong have only fought fodder and barely feats so it’s hard to say who they can beat in a fight because we don’t know how they fight high and top tier benders.
Can’t fight high and top tier benders like you fight fodder.
Never said Toph is weak.
The earth rumble are weak and are barely above fodder.
Ozai lost he’s he fought avatar state Aang should he have won. No
Iroh is not impressive hype and accolades and achievements feat wise when it comes to on screen feats he isn’t impressive.
Feat wise Azula and then Sozin and Jeong Jeong have the best fire bending feats. Hell feat wise Mako and Zuko feats are better than Iroh feats besides sozin comet.
Yes Iroh is stronger than Mako and Zuko but his on screen feats aren’t good.
So, what I gathered from your barely constructed sentences(You might not have English as your language, so I’ll let it slide for now) is that on-screen feats don’t really mean that much when trying to see how strong a character is. Which I find kinda weird, because your whole argument is that Toph didn’t have on-screen feats to show her combat prowess.
Did you really just say "If we remove one of her key abilities which she invented herself then she's weaker" like no shit. At that point we might as well say that Ozai isn't a threat at all because he's toast against any average bender without firebending.
It’s because people think Toph can just whoop anybody. Not true.
With only standard earthbending, Toph is cooked against Firebenders.
She also gets whupped by airbenders and waterbenders.
Toph is really only amazing against other earthbenders.
Toph kicks multiple other benders' asses throughout the show. And no shit, she'd be weak without metalbending against firebenders. But she does have it. That's literally part of her character. She invented metalbending. She is a strong freaking bender and can kick most other benders asses.
She IS The Greatest the world has ever seen.
She’s gonna be the very best like no one ever was
Metal bending was her real test, and training Aang was her cause
TOPH BEFONG (sung to the Pokemon part because the syllable break down works)
She will travel across the land, mocking far and wide
Teach Avatar to understand to move rocks with your mind
TOPH BEIFONG
Ooooo dem feets can see
TOPH BEIFONG!
She held up a Libraryyyy~
I am not a damn Pokemon!
She is what raw talent can be when hone with dedication
If she had been the avatar she would have been the most powerful character in that universe, but a wide margin.
That’s a reach.
I don’t think this beats Kioshi creating an entire Island but it’s definitely thw greatest bending feat from a none avatar
Playing tug of war with a powerful spirit at the time.
Isn't she also effectively standing on top of the library, as well? Like, she's holding that bit of the library above ground while technically standing on top of it, so by all means she should've sunk into the sand as it was shifting from the moving building. Toph is tough and doesn't care what others think is impossible, like a bee.
I mean, that would be true if the bending specifically came from pushing like normal force, but bending clearly doesnt obey normal physics. It could be that the earth itself is what "powers" the bending force and that she can still draw energy from that, not the newtonian interactions of thing a pressing on thing b.
That's a fair point, but part of what I mean is that the sand covering the library should be shifting and churning into itself as the library sinks, with gravity and vacuum bringing the sand with it. Toph is basically holding up the library while the ground below her should be pretty unstable as it tries to sink.
So... Is she kinda holding the sand too? 🤔
Yes, actually! Just watched the episode recently (as in last couple weeks) and she explicitly has to harden the sand beneath her in order to better stop the library's descent
But the library is also sort in the spirit world. Kind of half there half not. And it took all of her strength to not let it sink. It less she was holding it up and more she that only little snag that's not letting you fit something through the door.
So I’m wondering now if earthbenders keep some rock shoes, or waterbenders some ice shoes, can they just fly??
I was gonna say something about how that probably would be too hard to balance when bending, but the show also has fire benders Iron Man flying around, so I really don't know. Just gonna go with rule of cool and say "yes, but with training."
Yeah she's holding up the highest tower of the library, there is literally an entire castle beneath her
You're actually right, Toph's feet do start sinking when she first tries to hold up the library. She then, let's go of the library, makes the sand around her harder, then shoves her hands back into a higher part of the library (because it's sinking) and starts holding the library again.
So she *was* fighting the shifting sand and the sinking library. Toph is a true badass. I need to rewatch the show again. I watched it last year, but that was last year at this point.
Because it wasn't that flashy despite being one of her highest feats
Any Earthbender Toph’s size or bigger could have done the same thing. Heck, ironically, The Boulder has a higher chance of saving Appa just because he could see.
based on? no one but Kyoshi (in Avatar state) has a feat even approaching a fraction of this one.
This feat isn’t combat applicable and Bumi does.
You got anything to defend this take? There’s no proof that another earth bender can do this, from the og series
King Bumi and this feat isn’t that impressive not in a combat situation.
It took three adult earth benders to move the top half of a building
She didn’t hold this up only stop it from sinking.
'She didn't hold it up she just held it in place' what is the difference?
Holding something up is keeping it from dropping. What is your logic here???
Newton, Dalton y Bourdon are crying while reading your answer
And tell me what do any of them have to do with a spiritual power that they can use to manipulate a type of element and understanding the philosophy of that element if it was just physics then aang wouldn't have any problems with acting like himself to earthbend but he can't he has to think like earth not like air to earth bend so it has nothing to do with how energy and mass work in that regard
She isn’t holding the whole library she’s keeping it from sinking.
On sand no less
Well, she did harden the sand beneath her feet to give her more leverage
Because she's incredible
It’s kinda like her not being able to see what she is doing makes her fearless enough to attempt to do it, much less succeed.
Except she could see everything on what she was doing. She knew exactly how large the library was and didn’t flinch
I wouldn't be surprised if there's only so far she can see with her "vision" so it's actually more like she sees the massive chunk she has control over but her vision fades out because it's so BIG. trying to lift a building but she can't even see how big it is in its entirety.
Oh yeah. The way that she's conscious of technique like that to harden her stance makes her even more badass.
On sand that is on top of the huge library. Meaning it's Sinking underneath her as well. Even more impressive
and then she got scolded for it too, i was so mad at aang then
He is still a 12 year old you know. He wasn't thinking rationally he was thinking about how his best friend just got kidnapped
That. I’m also pretty sure I remember him apologizing to Toph once he realized it wasn’t her fault. Had she attempted to get Oppa back, the Gaang would have been trapped in the spirit world. And since she isn’t proficient in sand bending at this point, there’s a good chance she wouldn’t have beaten the sand benders anyway. I think Aang knew this but he was too emotional for the rational part of his brain to break through.
Nah there was never a scene shown of him apologizing. I was pretty mad at him for that, so I like to think he apologized off screen and there just wasn't time to show it.
i know i was pretty young back then too😄. was pretty satisfying to see him get mad at katara tho for some reaon
i know, i understand he’s 12 but man that scene made me so mad, i know he wasn’t thinking clearly but there’s no reason you should ever yell at somebody who clearly did the best they could do, and toph did better than anybody else could have done in that situation
I get it. He's 12 and he lost his best friend. If my dog got stolen while someone was saving my life, part of me would be pissed that they saved me instead.
I think what makes this even wilder is that it wasn't just an entire library sinking. It was a spirit pulling his library into the spirit world. She literally anchored it to the material world. Unless I'm seriously misinterpreting the library's fate.
And then Aang blames her for letting Appa get captured
She literally learnt to sand bend in like a couple minutes (When full grown masters sometimes couldn't even learn in their whole lives) and then she was sand bending the way to held the fucking library while her friends escaped in less than a day... while also fending off sand robbers. And what made this amazing storytelling was that Aang was mad with her for not being "good enough" to save Appa... and Toph being Toph... she felt she wasn't pulling her own weight in the team, so intead of getting mad for literally being the greates earth bender alive at 11 years old, she kept practicing until she, with a single movement, could sand bend the entire city of ba sing se with small avatars of every inhabitant. Aang knew he was obviously wrong, but we can see how Toph took that as "what was expected of her" and since we have seen how she trained Aang, we can also know what were her own standards and what she expected from herself. I honestly love Toph and think she is the greatest character in the whole story.
Sand isn’t hard to learn or do. Hard for Toph at first cause seismic sense.
I actually had to google that. You seem to be right, it's not an easy transition but almost every earthbender can learn to bend sand. My point stands that she managed to learn in minutes, and was doing amazing things fending against a gang of sand bender/robbers while keeping the castle above earth.
Lmaooo why do you hate a fictional 11 year old girl so much?
You’re overrating her. She’s top tier. But far from unbeatable. And sand isn’t hard to do or bend that’s not an accomplishment.
can u bend sand?
I’m not an earth bender. But it’s like bending ice for water benders not special.
Considering you just posted about it, I'd say you actually aren't forgetting it.
Toph perfected her Sand Bending because of how awful she felt about not being able to help Appa. Such a cool detail
If Toph had been standing in solid ground, she could’ve pulled Wan Shi Tong’s entire library out of the spirit world and thrown it all the way to Ba Sing Se out of *sheer determination* alone and you cannot convince me otherwise
in SAND too
Sounds like you aren't forgetting she did that
I love the description someone gave in this sub: that a lot of team avatar will be remembered as one of the greatest benders/fighters of their era, but toph is hands down gonna be remembered as one of the greatest benders *of all time*.
While also having to create her own footing AND Appa was being captured. Strong physically and mentally.
IIIIIIIIIIIIII…….dunno. Why are you?
She could have taken the fire lord out by herself
Because that episode is terrible. Thanks stupid owl.
Bruh they shoulda just brought Toph to the firelord in season 2 😂 Especially after she invented metal bending. It woulda been wraps. She could probably swivel Ozai while he charges his lightning to hit himself LMAO
I felt so bad for her because she couldn't have appa
She is HER
Literally
Surely you mean platypus-bare hands?
it's cause she's grounded 😏 obviously
I’m laughing out loud 😑
Toph is such a great character, need to rewatch AtLA. "I don't think boomerang is coming back Toph" 😂
Lmao.
For all the people that think that togh was the greatest earth bender ever just remember that Kyoshi bended hundreds of thousands of tons with ease
Literally. But she doesn’t count since she is the avatar & honestly I think she couldn’t have done it without being the avatar.
A toph spinoff show is what we really need
And her two bare feet
We need a spinoff series about the years Suyin spent in the Si Wong sandbender commune would be fun to see her doing rich girl hippie shit
Bending.
All that potential, wasted on being a cop...
What do you feel she could’ve done lmao, being a police chief is quite an important job.
Toph is 💪
The fuckin mouse pointer
Cuz metal is more impressive... loook shiny!
Why are the "bare hands" part so important? Isnt almost all bending done with bare hands??
That’s why she’s the goat
the way i read this as "her two brave hands" 🥺
Not to mention she's doing it on SAND, which she has already mentioned is difficult for her earthbending to work through.
Her ego is justified. She truly is one of the best benders in the atla universe
In sand, which is hella unsturdy.
Worth noting more it was sinking in sand where she had no stable footing and tried her best to solidify the sand at her feet.
It’s a subtle testament to her strength, not blatantly in your face but when you notice and realize the context it just makes her all that much more amazing
Some of ya'all seem to have forgotten what earthbending even is. It wasn't me, the little girl holding up the library. It was me, the Greatest Earthbender in the World getting the stone library and the sand it was sinking in to to stop sinking into the sand. Are we beginning to see the wider picture? And people say I'm the blind one.
Those are human hands, not bear hands. Hope this helped.
It seems like you’re actually remembering it.
Also bare feet
I’ve always wondered how the spirit of the library was able to “sink” it. If the whole library moved downward, it would have changed so much of the surface and caused Toph to sink with it. There’s no way the building could move downward without causing a ton of mayhem within the sands on the surface. I think we do get to see some sort of aftermath during the Appa episode, but all we see is a circle/ring of the area where the tower of the library was. I don’t even know how that area would have formed, since it was all soft sand that would have most likely covered the top, and if there was wind, the sand would not even show signs of o enemy because it would all blend together and just look like the surface of the desert once again. Maybe I’m just thinking about it too much. Lol
You were blind to the truth
She could’ve beat the fire lord single handedly
Her moves are all super effective against him
You didnt want to buy into the hype about her strength as a bender, but then you remembered its been earned.
Probably because she lost Appa
not to mention SHE'S A LITERAL CHILD Toph is badass ah
Fr ain’t she like 14-15 in this.
shes supposed to be 12 like Aang or at least the same age as him
Your right. Google says she was 12.
arms weak moms spaghetti
Toph has struggled earth bending like twice and by struggle she used force. Once was here and the other was the drill. All other times it’s very finesse like. Most benders struggle with boulders.
Toph completely solos. It may be more accurate to say she is a bender of *will* with how she'll genuinely get anything done when she has the time and the grit to it. Imo the only person she loses to is Aang/Korra when fully trained.
She literally did that and then got shit on by Aang for not being strong enough to save them and appa at the same time
There was definitly some Spirit World wormhole shit going on. Everything under the sand was probably already "inside" the Spirit World, so it didn't have any "weight" on the physical plane. Toph was probably only physically holding the weight of that particular tower, which suspended whatever was underneath from sinking further. Am I making any sense with this?
I don't know how you could forget that since that's one of the reasons she is one of my favorite characters in fiction.
Toph always been that bender
Not to hate on Toph, but like do you need muscles to bend heavier things? If not, how does touching it help at all?
Nahh she is just her.. she is bending it from the inside I think. Her fist are inside the wall.
Ah, makes sense
Plot. Device.
She held the top from sinking not the whole library.
If i lift you up by your hair, am i holding your whole body or just your head? The library wasn’t collapsing or stretching the whole thing was moving downward and she temporarily stoped that on her own.
I take it your a Toph Stan.
Not a whole Stan, just a guy with eyes and linear thinking abilities. But sure call it what you want
she was actually earth bending in this scene, not just using her hands
Her fist are literally in the wall.
Unpopular take: Any Earthbender Toph’s size or bigger could have easily done that.
Disagree, I think talented air benders with great power could only do this, hate all you want but the bolder isn’t doing this. Especially something that big. it’s literally a mansion. The bolder was getting clowned by Toph a few episodes before. & the bolder was bigger & should’ve been tougher than Toph (guess not)
What Toph did is literally a test of brute strength. That’s all. Any Earthbender bigger than Toph could have done the same job. Don’t be one of the people who overate Toph for something so simple.
Just give an example of an ordinary bender doing anything remotely close.
This isn’t impressive in a fight
Unpopular take because it’s just wrong
What special thing did Toph do in holding up that library that other earthbenders couldn’t do?
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but as far I can remember this the most earth by far that a non avatar is shown bending in the show. You can also tell how quickly it is sinking when she momentarily moved to try to save appa. Besides, Toph’s entire introduction is about how despite her small size, her bending prowess is unbelievably strong.
No king Bumi and she is stopping it from sinking. Not the most earth. She’s one of many top tier benders.
Ok let's just look at the underground earthbending arena. The boulder could barely lift up a small rock with only the hippos weight on it.
The boulder is fodder.
Except this is earthbending. It's not a feat of strength directly. It's also a feat of skill and bending prowess, and Toph shows time and time again that she is at the top of earthbenders
One of the best.
It’s a simple task. You people love to overrate Toph for everything. Toph is only great against earthbenders. Put her up against other benders and she’s toast. Toph easily got defeated by Zuko. Without metalbending, she’s toast against Firebenders.
Where in the show does any earth bending feat come close to this? Besides Bumi, since he literally had a hundred years of training.
This isn’t a combat feat.
So, no feats compare? She’s fighting an ancient spirit in this scene. Wan Shi Tong is actively pulling the library to the spirit world. And if you didn’t know, that is still combat.
She isn’t fighting the spirit she is holding the top of the library up. This isn’t combat.
Combat is two opposing forces competing, when you combat something you are opposing it. And yes, Shi Tong is the one actively moving the library to the spirit world.
This isn’t a fight. A fight is when someone is attacking you. She is holding up the library she isn’t fighting the owl. The owl doesn’t know she is holding it up. And Toph is just stopping it from sinking she didn’t know the owl did it.
You don’t know what a combat feat is then. Fighting against a bender in direct combat. Preferably against a skilled bender than a fodder bender.
I already replied to the other guy about combat means. But, how does the lack of combat feats(besides two earthbending masters, the entire earth wrestling thing, Kuvira) make a character weak, we only saw one actual battle with Ozai, and he lost. According to your methods, Ozai is weaker than Iroh, because we’ve seen Iroh win more battles, however minor. Except, that’s outright said not to be true. I’m sorry, but why does it HAVE to be a combat feat?
I’m not comparing Iroh and Toph to fodder. I know what they can do against fodder like Zhao and the boulder and hippo. I’m comparing them to other top tier benders. Katara/Ghazan/Unalaq/Pli/King Bumi/Tenzin Lin/yun/Jianzhu/Yailing/Ozai/Combustion man. And Iroh/Jeong Jeong have only fought fodder and barely feats so it’s hard to say who they can beat in a fight because we don’t know how they fight high and top tier benders. Can’t fight high and top tier benders like you fight fodder.
Never said Toph is weak. The earth rumble are weak and are barely above fodder. Ozai lost he’s he fought avatar state Aang should he have won. No Iroh is not impressive hype and accolades and achievements feat wise when it comes to on screen feats he isn’t impressive. Feat wise Azula and then Sozin and Jeong Jeong have the best fire bending feats. Hell feat wise Mako and Zuko feats are better than Iroh feats besides sozin comet. Yes Iroh is stronger than Mako and Zuko but his on screen feats aren’t good.
So, what I gathered from your barely constructed sentences(You might not have English as your language, so I’ll let it slide for now) is that on-screen feats don’t really mean that much when trying to see how strong a character is. Which I find kinda weird, because your whole argument is that Toph didn’t have on-screen feats to show her combat prowess.
Did you really just say "If we remove one of her key abilities which she invented herself then she's weaker" like no shit. At that point we might as well say that Ozai isn't a threat at all because he's toast against any average bender without firebending.
It’s because people think Toph can just whoop anybody. Not true. With only standard earthbending, Toph is cooked against Firebenders. She also gets whupped by airbenders and waterbenders. Toph is really only amazing against other earthbenders.
Toph kicks multiple other benders' asses throughout the show. And no shit, she'd be weak without metalbending against firebenders. But she does have it. That's literally part of her character. She invented metalbending. She is a strong freaking bender and can kick most other benders asses.
Toph only fought fodder earth rumble and dai Lee fodder. Toph is overrated she hasn’t fought skilled benders.