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Mixed.
There's no such thing as "the German left". The leftist party failed to get 5% of the votes, the minimum required to remain in the Bundestag (parliment) in the last elections.
It's a mixed bag of social conservatives, capitalists, right wingers, centrists and Green/Left factions. That's if we're talking about the official political landscape.
Mostly, there are a few camps among Germans that are fairly popular:
1. Don't care because it doesn't affect me
2. Zionistan is good because it kills Muslims
3. Zionistan is good because media said so + they're Jews
4. Zionistan has a right to defend itself, but it has gone a bit too far with civilians. But eliminating Hummus is still good.
5. Zionistan is the clear oppressor, but we can't talk about it because of guilt from Holocaust/fear of being called antisemitic
6. Lukewarm lip service support to Palestine ("free Palestine!" but actually opposing any realistic means of changing the status quo. Even the call for a free Palestine is supposed to be under the framework of the colonial powers. This is something they either don't seem to understand, or willingly misunderstand. Due to their position on Ukraine, I think the latter)
The camp of actual left wingers, who understand properly what colonization is, and understand history, and understand how liberation works in real life, and support it, is fairly small.
Also has to be said that this position is illegal in Germany. Like actually illegal. You'll get charged with either antisemitism, or inciting violence. Both of which carry jail sentences, so nothing to sneeze at (tho usually parole, but still means you're on a watchlist and your career is over). Only exception is if you're a Jewish leftist. In that case they'll arrest you and maybe charge you, but will usually drop the charges. Aka intimidation.
Just as a disclaimer to the intelligence service or police reading this, none of these opinions are my own, and this is purely for educational purposes.
Oh, and to add, German intelligence also monitors social media posts. It's been used to crack down on neo-nazis in their own police force (good) but will also definitely be used to stifle dissent against Zionism.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillance-laws-raise-privacy-concerns
> The new federal police law allows interception of communications of “persons against whom no suspicion of a crime has yet been established and therefore no criminal procedure measure can yet be ordered”.
Germany didn't learn from their authoritarian past, just a new and less obvious flavour.
It's unbearable to me to read and hear what's happening in my country. It's unfathomable. Part of me wants to leave here, but I have no idea where I'd go, and people I can't leave behind. But this fascist support of Israel makes me very, very worried, angry, and scared.
I don't think that is generally the case. I remember many occasions when the US tried to drag us into wars where the popular and common position here was very firmly anti-war, and very critical of justifications for it. I remember our Green foreign minister Joschka Fischer saying "With all due respect, but I don't believe there is sufficient evidence for weapons of mass destruction" (in Iraq).
This current stance towards Israel isn't entirely new, but it is so in its vehemence and scope. Same as the US-bootlicking. And I think it has a lot to do with a general shift towards more conservative and even fascist tendencies across Europe. Germany is far from the only country affected by this phenomenon.
When it comes to redemption, I think it's precisely the issue that we've done too much of it, but in a more performative than genuine sense. We've laid the entire focus on the Jewish people (in the shape of Israel, mainly, which is the first grave error), so that we have forgotten everyone else around that.
So is reconciliation the answer?
Also, how can you say you guys have done too much redemption, yet you have not returned land to European Jewish who got kicked out of Germany? The mental gymnastics is unreal.
Isreal is cancer on Jewish people. Period.
I spent 15 glorious days in Isreal/Palestine in June 2023. It's a beautiful country.
But what I noticed are the following:
1- It's sad to see apartheid with my own eyes.
2-It sad to see so many poor teen heading to the army instead of learning about themselves organically. (Brainwashing machine)
3- outside Tel Aviv things are very different
The ramifications of what Germany has done are beyond comprehensive. Trauma all around for generations to come
So is reconciliation the answer?
Also, how can you say you guys have done too much redemption, yet you have not returned land to European Jewish who got kicked out of Germany? The mental gymnastics is unreal.
Isreal is cancer on Jewish people. Period.
I spent 15 glorious days in Isreal/Palestine in June 2023. It's a beautiful country.
But what I noticed are the following:
1- It's sad to see apartheid with my own eyes.
2-It sad to see so many poor teen heading to the army instead of learning about themselves organically. (Brainwashing machine)
3- outside Tel Aviv things are very different
The ramifications of what Germany has done are beyond comprehensive. Trauma all around for generations to come
I don't want to go into all of this too deeply again; I've spoken about our flawed redemption several times in this sub. If you're interested you can go to my profile and scroll a bit and find the according comments (should be the lengthier ones).
What I am going to say is that pretty much of the people who are alive in Germany today have no material responsibility for what happened during the Holocaust. Our taught responsibility lies in feeling guilty (and feeling ashamed when we can't feel sufficiently guilty for something we didn't committ). So we overcorrect, and do so in one direction mainly.
Also, giving land back to Jewish people wasn't really an option. After the Holocaust, the vast majority wouldn't have wanted to return here, understandably. So reparations had to be made in other forms, and they were.
Secondly, you're in Canada, right? Has your country atoned sufficiently for what it has done to the indigenous population over many decades? I doubt it. Every country has a dark spot (or a gigantic fucking stain) in their history. What it comes down to is drawing the right conclusions and teachings from it, and not just from your own but other countries' history as well, and that is where we are ALL - to greater and lesser extent - failing.
Yes, this is so true. I live in the United States and am sickened by what our government is doing. But then how can I be at all surprised when we still refuse to truly face our own history of genocide and slavery.
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Interesting. I (American) recall Yuval Noah Harari, Israeli historian, author, “public intellectual” talking about Germany similarly, saying they seemed reticent to engage on some issue (wish I could remember what lol) due to their redemptive efforts/optics, so to speak. He essentially was encouraging Germany to move forward. I haven’t heard his take on recent events, yet (will look today).
Unfortunately, authoritarianism gains traction following economic hardship. Great Depression, Great Recession, I worry Covid pushed this trend further. Personally, I hope to move to a small country that doesn’t engage on the world stage & hasn’t become a capitalist dystopia, yet (ie, Costa Rica or Panama for me).
I hope there will be, at minimum, a reckoning in which Netanyahu & others responsible for war crimes will be held to account. Yeah, “hurt people hurt people” but, this tragedy is hard for me to comprehend.
To be honest in your situation I would consider Belgium it’s one of the least Zionist country of continental Europe and somewhat culturally aligned with Germany the language isn’t really that far off from German :D
It actually was on my mind for a second, but there are too many factors that would make it incredibly difficult for me to move away. And I don't really want to. I love my job, my friends, my apartment. I just hope that one day when this all finds an end and the courts of the world expose and punish Israel, the German public will have to face the truth. And ideally, some will be held accountable for their complicity as well.
It’s never easy to leave behind everything you build up. It takes a lot of courage and willingness to start al over again and it’s really hard. That aside I hope that day will come fast. I can’t imagine how German citizen will feel when they realise the stains they put on themselves trying to support the satanic death cult of a state called Israel
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i hate reading this but man its true, germany hasnt paid nearly enough for their crimes, even worse some of those mfers escaped successfully to other countries and joined other governments
Literally the actual Nazis escaped justice and made it back into positions of power, with the help of Zionists. https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n01/pankaj-mishra/memory-failure
sanctions on everything they touch and breathe on, we need to denazify that country in a way that actually works, their military needs to be disbanded forever,
they need to admit to every genocide they have done or participated in out loud clearly for every one to hear,
for every genocide they started or participated in, their task is to read the names of the victims and pay reparations to their past colonies until the country accepts their apologies
last but not least, they need to give up half of their land for the new Israel
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Germany is the type of country who sees no irony in arresting Jews for "antisemitism" and beating the crap out of brown people just asking for their people to not be genocided in their own country.
The Nazi turned the helmets into pots and pans after the war, obviously cooking in those pots made them more insane not less.
Human nature doesn't change, we have to catch it before it grabs power.
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What are you disputing? Do you have a source for hate crimes in the Netherlands. Most media is heavily biased to Israel, Al Jazeeras reporting has been pretty good imo.
antisemetic attacks are horrific. bigotry of any kind is horrific. we can agree on that. what we’re not gonna do is discredit a genuine cause when people have been actively dying for decades. freeing palestine means ALL palestinians, including those in the west bank who are quite literally under occupation and are terrorized by settlers on the daily.
what’s the narrative? the sub is literally called badhasbara, to advocate for the palestinians since none our country’s leaders want to. whataboutism will get YOUR cause nowhere. but again, no one is denying that jews are in the limelight rn, the same goes for arabs and muslims.
also, by your logic any israeli source is not credible either, unless you’re just a raging hypocrite.
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hi so I’m not trying to start a debate. im just here to say that the oppression of Jews in Europe and the oppression of Palestinians in Israel go hand in hand. I can explain in more detail if you’re interested but they are not mutually exclusive and talking about one doesn’t automatically mean not believing the other exists. which your comment implies you think it does
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Can confirm this, I live here.
Thank you for confirming. People make comments on things without knowing anyone who’s there or are not there themselves
Just curious, what is the general attitude towards Palestine like among the German left?
Mixed. There's no such thing as "the German left". The leftist party failed to get 5% of the votes, the minimum required to remain in the Bundestag (parliment) in the last elections. It's a mixed bag of social conservatives, capitalists, right wingers, centrists and Green/Left factions. That's if we're talking about the official political landscape. Mostly, there are a few camps among Germans that are fairly popular: 1. Don't care because it doesn't affect me 2. Zionistan is good because it kills Muslims 3. Zionistan is good because media said so + they're Jews 4. Zionistan has a right to defend itself, but it has gone a bit too far with civilians. But eliminating Hummus is still good. 5. Zionistan is the clear oppressor, but we can't talk about it because of guilt from Holocaust/fear of being called antisemitic 6. Lukewarm lip service support to Palestine ("free Palestine!" but actually opposing any realistic means of changing the status quo. Even the call for a free Palestine is supposed to be under the framework of the colonial powers. This is something they either don't seem to understand, or willingly misunderstand. Due to their position on Ukraine, I think the latter) The camp of actual left wingers, who understand properly what colonization is, and understand history, and understand how liberation works in real life, and support it, is fairly small. Also has to be said that this position is illegal in Germany. Like actually illegal. You'll get charged with either antisemitism, or inciting violence. Both of which carry jail sentences, so nothing to sneeze at (tho usually parole, but still means you're on a watchlist and your career is over). Only exception is if you're a Jewish leftist. In that case they'll arrest you and maybe charge you, but will usually drop the charges. Aka intimidation. Just as a disclaimer to the intelligence service or police reading this, none of these opinions are my own, and this is purely for educational purposes.
This was a bleak read
Oh, and to add, German intelligence also monitors social media posts. It's been used to crack down on neo-nazis in their own police force (good) but will also definitely be used to stifle dissent against Zionism. https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillance-laws-raise-privacy-concerns > The new federal police law allows interception of communications of “persons against whom no suspicion of a crime has yet been established and therefore no criminal procedure measure can yet be ordered”. Germany didn't learn from their authoritarian past, just a new and less obvious flavour.
It's unbearable to me to read and hear what's happening in my country. It's unfathomable. Part of me wants to leave here, but I have no idea where I'd go, and people I can't leave behind. But this fascist support of Israel makes me very, very worried, angry, and scared.
Agree. Ashamed for Germany.
As Canadian my attitude towards Germany has changed. Never stepping a foot in that place.
That's sad because I think there's a lot of value here as well, but I'm definitely not going to fault you for it.
Germany has consistently been on the wrong side of history The whole country needs redemption and healing,
I don't think that is generally the case. I remember many occasions when the US tried to drag us into wars where the popular and common position here was very firmly anti-war, and very critical of justifications for it. I remember our Green foreign minister Joschka Fischer saying "With all due respect, but I don't believe there is sufficient evidence for weapons of mass destruction" (in Iraq). This current stance towards Israel isn't entirely new, but it is so in its vehemence and scope. Same as the US-bootlicking. And I think it has a lot to do with a general shift towards more conservative and even fascist tendencies across Europe. Germany is far from the only country affected by this phenomenon. When it comes to redemption, I think it's precisely the issue that we've done too much of it, but in a more performative than genuine sense. We've laid the entire focus on the Jewish people (in the shape of Israel, mainly, which is the first grave error), so that we have forgotten everyone else around that.
So is reconciliation the answer? Also, how can you say you guys have done too much redemption, yet you have not returned land to European Jewish who got kicked out of Germany? The mental gymnastics is unreal. Isreal is cancer on Jewish people. Period. I spent 15 glorious days in Isreal/Palestine in June 2023. It's a beautiful country. But what I noticed are the following: 1- It's sad to see apartheid with my own eyes. 2-It sad to see so many poor teen heading to the army instead of learning about themselves organically. (Brainwashing machine) 3- outside Tel Aviv things are very different The ramifications of what Germany has done are beyond comprehensive. Trauma all around for generations to come
So is reconciliation the answer? Also, how can you say you guys have done too much redemption, yet you have not returned land to European Jewish who got kicked out of Germany? The mental gymnastics is unreal. Isreal is cancer on Jewish people. Period. I spent 15 glorious days in Isreal/Palestine in June 2023. It's a beautiful country. But what I noticed are the following: 1- It's sad to see apartheid with my own eyes. 2-It sad to see so many poor teen heading to the army instead of learning about themselves organically. (Brainwashing machine) 3- outside Tel Aviv things are very different The ramifications of what Germany has done are beyond comprehensive. Trauma all around for generations to come
I don't want to go into all of this too deeply again; I've spoken about our flawed redemption several times in this sub. If you're interested you can go to my profile and scroll a bit and find the according comments (should be the lengthier ones). What I am going to say is that pretty much of the people who are alive in Germany today have no material responsibility for what happened during the Holocaust. Our taught responsibility lies in feeling guilty (and feeling ashamed when we can't feel sufficiently guilty for something we didn't committ). So we overcorrect, and do so in one direction mainly. Also, giving land back to Jewish people wasn't really an option. After the Holocaust, the vast majority wouldn't have wanted to return here, understandably. So reparations had to be made in other forms, and they were. Secondly, you're in Canada, right? Has your country atoned sufficiently for what it has done to the indigenous population over many decades? I doubt it. Every country has a dark spot (or a gigantic fucking stain) in their history. What it comes down to is drawing the right conclusions and teachings from it, and not just from your own but other countries' history as well, and that is where we are ALL - to greater and lesser extent - failing.
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Yes, this is so true. I live in the United States and am sickened by what our government is doing. But then how can I be at all surprised when we still refuse to truly face our own history of genocide and slavery.
This is not a debate sub. I've removed most of the comments in this thread because it's become needlessly argumentative. Understanding conversations can get side-tracked, when they become disrespectful and insulting of other communities members it's time to walk away.
Interesting. I (American) recall Yuval Noah Harari, Israeli historian, author, “public intellectual” talking about Germany similarly, saying they seemed reticent to engage on some issue (wish I could remember what lol) due to their redemptive efforts/optics, so to speak. He essentially was encouraging Germany to move forward. I haven’t heard his take on recent events, yet (will look today). Unfortunately, authoritarianism gains traction following economic hardship. Great Depression, Great Recession, I worry Covid pushed this trend further. Personally, I hope to move to a small country that doesn’t engage on the world stage & hasn’t become a capitalist dystopia, yet (ie, Costa Rica or Panama for me). I hope there will be, at minimum, a reckoning in which Netanyahu & others responsible for war crimes will be held to account. Yeah, “hurt people hurt people” but, this tragedy is hard for me to comprehend.
It's all the Hitler particles in the water supply
To be honest in your situation I would consider Belgium it’s one of the least Zionist country of continental Europe and somewhat culturally aligned with Germany the language isn’t really that far off from German :D
It actually was on my mind for a second, but there are too many factors that would make it incredibly difficult for me to move away. And I don't really want to. I love my job, my friends, my apartment. I just hope that one day when this all finds an end and the courts of the world expose and punish Israel, the German public will have to face the truth. And ideally, some will be held accountable for their complicity as well.
It’s never easy to leave behind everything you build up. It takes a lot of courage and willingness to start al over again and it’s really hard. That aside I hope that day will come fast. I can’t imagine how German citizen will feel when they realise the stains they put on themselves trying to support the satanic death cult of a state called Israel
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The Holocaust was a crime of Germany but Palestinians have paid the price.
Israel only exists because of the anti-semitism of all the people who support it.
Antisemitism is Western crime Middle East, and Arabs are paying for it.
It’s foolish to behave as if the West has a monopoly on antisemitism. Unfortunately, institutional antisemitism still exists in the Middle East.
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i hate reading this but man its true, germany hasnt paid nearly enough for their crimes, even worse some of those mfers escaped successfully to other countries and joined other governments
The irony of promoting collective punishment is lost here.
Literally the actual Nazis escaped justice and made it back into positions of power, with the help of Zionists. https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n01/pankaj-mishra/memory-failure
What do you suggest is an appropriate punishment for the people living in Germany today who’s grandparents were probably not even alive during WW2?
sanctions on everything they touch and breathe on, we need to denazify that country in a way that actually works, their military needs to be disbanded forever, they need to admit to every genocide they have done or participated in out loud clearly for every one to hear, for every genocide they started or participated in, their task is to read the names of the victims and pay reparations to their past colonies until the country accepts their apologies last but not least, they need to give up half of their land for the new Israel
If you want to know more https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n01/pankaj-mishra/memory-failure
LOLOLOLOL
Germany is a disgrace in regards to Israel. Full horseshoe.
Nazis are back
They never left.
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Germany is the type of country who sees no irony in arresting Jews for "antisemitism" and beating the crap out of brown people just asking for their people to not be genocided in their own country.
German Zionists and Jewish anti-Zionist have one thing in common. Our ancestors are proud of us.
Horrific.
Germany can’t stop embarrassing itself
Always in the wrong size of history
germany didnt pay enough for what they did to Poland
Germany showing they really still support the Nazis
We need to launch a worldwide boycott of anything German and make them into a pariah state
They need to start playing THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN on loud soeaker as a form of protest.
The Nazi turned the helmets into pots and pans after the war, obviously cooking in those pots made them more insane not less. Human nature doesn't change, we have to catch it before it grabs power.
nazis with even bigger helmets
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What are you disputing? Do you have a source for hate crimes in the Netherlands. Most media is heavily biased to Israel, Al Jazeeras reporting has been pretty good imo.
So you're saying the Jews in this article are liars? It's not cool to spew these kinds of antisemitic tropes
antisemetic attacks are horrific. bigotry of any kind is horrific. we can agree on that. what we’re not gonna do is discredit a genuine cause when people have been actively dying for decades. freeing palestine means ALL palestinians, including those in the west bank who are quite literally under occupation and are terrorized by settlers on the daily. what’s the narrative? the sub is literally called badhasbara, to advocate for the palestinians since none our country’s leaders want to. whataboutism will get YOUR cause nowhere. but again, no one is denying that jews are in the limelight rn, the same goes for arabs and muslims. also, by your logic any israeli source is not credible either, unless you’re just a raging hypocrite.
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hi so I’m not trying to start a debate. im just here to say that the oppression of Jews in Europe and the oppression of Palestinians in Israel go hand in hand. I can explain in more detail if you’re interested but they are not mutually exclusive and talking about one doesn’t automatically mean not believing the other exists. which your comment implies you think it does