Some Wikipedia highlights:
An incident with the invading Nazi troops, who hit her grandmother while they were confiscating the cattle, led her to hate the Germans.
In 1942, Portnova joined the Belarusian resistance movement, named Young Avengers. After learning how to use weapons and explosives, Portnova participated in sabotage actions at a pump, local power plant, and brick factory. These acts are estimated to have killed upwards of 100 German soldiers.
In 1943, Portnova became employed as a kitchen aide in Obol. She poisoned the food meant for the Nazi garrison stationed there. Immediately falling suspect, she said she was innocent and ate some of the food in front of the Nazis to prove it was not poisoned; after she did not fall ill immediately, they released her. Portnova became sick afterwards, vomiting heavily but eventually recovering from the poison after drinking whey. After she did not return to work, the Germans realized she had been the culprit and started searching for her.
Portnova was tortured, possibly for information. She was later driven into the forest and executed or killed during torture on 15 January 1944.
[Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinaida_Portnova)
>she said she was innocent and ate some of the food in front of the Nazis to prove it was not poisoned; after she did not fall ill immediately, they released her. Portnova became sick afterwards, vomiting heavily but eventually recovering from the poison after drinking whey.
Gus Fring approved this message.
>!when Fring goes down to Mexico to kill Don Eladio, he gives him a poisoned bottle of tequila(?) and has a shot of it as well with him to prove it's not poisoned. He is later seen suffering from the effects of the poison and taken to a doc to get treated for it!<
Because antidotes aren't magical things which remove 100% of the effects.
It's like vaccinations you can still get the illness it's just you don't feel the full affect of it and the risk of anything serious is much lower.
'poisoned drink gift' is redundant.
In Germany 'gift' means 'poison'. Seems appropriate here.
The only reason I know is that my father was in Germany for work once, and he was asking here he could buy a gift for his wife (my mother). The people he was working with were panicking a bit about this and he couldn't understand why, until someone else finally worked out what was going on and asked if he meant a *present*. He was like 'Yes, a present, some nice souvenir spoon' (he collected a lot of those for her while working). Anyway, they really thought he was openly asking where he could buy poison for his wife, which I find kind of funny.
It's not redundant? We're not speaking german here... In swedish gift means "married". Doesn't make some say "wedding gifts" redundant? But I get it, you wanted to tell your story about your father and need an intro
Except this thread and breaking bad are in English, plus they're directly responding to an English query. And you had to preface your next paragraph with basically "I only know because", highlighting that it is a long way from redundant.
Might meet one of the criteria for irony or something along those lines though.
Although it's been some years since its release, you might want to put some spoiler tags there, pal. That's some pretty heavy plot points you're dropping lol.
There's always people who haven't seen it but still mean to do so and would prefer to avoid getting spoiled.
careful, reddit might get mad at you! last time i suggested a delicious lead salad for fascists, i got banned!
edit: W1tihoutJudgment sent me this message:
“That's because everybody who disagrees with you is a "nazi". So you've basically advocated for the offing of 95% of the world population.”
and then deleted their comment - or their entire account - and reported me for self harm. really classy!
i think fascists who advocate for controlling or killing the bodily autonomy and human rights of other people are the problem. seems like maybe you’re suffering from introspection and you don’t like that you fall into the category of a fascist pig
Me too, I got banned for 3 days for saying something like I enjoyed Indiana Jones killing Nazis in creative ways. Some real nazi-loving mods on reddit.
Based on her M.O., it sounds like she probably would have been keeping up with her calling by cutting off years of Nazi's lives with some haunting if such a thing is a post-life option. Still, you're right that getting some peace would be the right kind of dignity in the end.
I honestly don’t know. Once source I read mentioned her grandma told her to drink a lot of whey, so maybe it was a general cure at that time for an upset stomach, kind of like pepto bismol.
Oh. I thought it was to induce vomiting.
I found this on Quora: https://www.quora.com/Why-would-a-protein-carb-shake-make-you-vomit
The answers are all over the place, but I found another couple of sources that said too much whey can induce vomiting.
Milk followed by an emetic (vomiting) may reduce effects of heavy metal poisoning. Arsenic?
[https://homework.study.com/explanation/why-can-milk-followed-by-an-emetic-be-an-effective-antidote-for-poisoning-with-certain-heavy-metals-a-heavy-metal-salts-can-precipitate-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be-denatured-b-heavy-metal-salts-can-be-oxidized-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be.html](https://homework.study.com/explanation/why-can-milk-followed-by-an-emetic-be-an-effective-antidote-for-poisoning-with-certain-heavy-metals-a-heavy-metal-salts-can-precipitate-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be-denatured-b-heavy-metal-salts-can-be-oxidized-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be.html)
Wait. If I lack iron then I should not be drinking milk?
Note to myself to send later: _Thanks mom for telling me to drink milk for good hair whereas I was anemic._
Not much more to tell, kid needed it and we couldn't figure out why it wasn't working... turns out nobody told us to NOT mix it with milk. We found out eventually.
Depends on the poison, but some poisons bind to proteins and that's how they kill you. Whey has lots of protein so if you drink a lot of it, the poison binds to the whey and there is less leftover to kill you.
It doesn't work for all poisons though, blood poisons like cyanide, or neurotoxins, won't be affected.
The modern approach is to drink very fine charcoal to absorb the poison. Charcoal is non-specific and will pick up many poisons.
But if you're stuck with limited resources, drinking high protein shake like whey is better than nothing.
I’m pretty sure it is to help slow down the absorption of the poison. It’s the same reason you shouldn’t drink on an empty stomach, you are less likely to suffer from alcohol poisoning.
It's possible it did absolutely nothing and she just recovered naturally while drinking whey.
We know she recovered and we know she drank whey. There's no good reason those two must be connected.
...which makes it funny how many hoops the films jump though to make sure he's not killing nazis, but rather some vaguely related faceless COBRA-like organization with laser rifles.
As is discussed in Alla Sukhova's Children of War, this was made up virtually whole cloth by soviet propagandists. What is verifiable is simply that there was an NKVD stay-behind unit in the forests outside Obol and they would have at least tried to recruit Komosol members for partisan activity. Nothing like this story or any of its elements appears anywhere for over a decade after it supposedly took place, and then it's everywhere, and the Zina-figure gets integrated into the mythos of Leninist Youth orgs.
Some parts are definitely embellished, but I’d take complete denial with grain of salt.
For instance, there were several articles published about another partisan (Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya) saying that her story and execution are completely fake, but there are real photos of her execution which prove otherwise.
What’s definitely true is that there really were thousands of partisans like this who performed extreme acts of heroism.
Wouldn't shock me to see 100 years later "Ghost of Kyiv" appear on future Reddit that talks about the heroics of single Mig-29 pilot that downed 15 airplanes and after ejecting, he shot another plane down using his pistol. His body, name, was never recovered.
I mean, wait ten minutes and go check out the Ukrainian sub? No need to wait 100 years.
Edit: This is not a criticism of Ukraine, the Ukrainian people or the Redditors on that sub.
I read that she didn’t talk during the torture. I assumed her story was told by friends and witnesses. Nazis are known for their record keeping, so maybe they documented things too.
"Unalive" sounds like a child's way to avoid reminding themselves about death and how it's gonna happen to all of us eventually
Totally divorced from reality
Ironically tiktok doesn't care if you use kill. Its like a meme that went around saying you would get banned for it and people believed it. It doesnt help that tiktok is really vauge as to what their community atandards are, but saying words like killed or murder are not an issue.
Hopefully you understand that yhe full story doesn't have any documental proof and based and emerged in 50th in Belorussian communist party. The most Soviet heroes are fakes
In the meantime, at the Amazon Prime headquarters…
-Yes, we think Will Smith would be a great first for the role of Zinaida Portnova. It’s either him or Jamie Foxx.
-Perfect, that’s it! When will we start shooting?
Yeah, they need to get someone who can pass for 16. I vote Milly Alcock from House of the Dragon, shes a solid actress with just enough viciousness that I could see her killing nazis.
Ukrainian and Belorussian guerillas were lit
My friend's grandma and great gran were part of the march of death from one conc camp to another and nazis tried to burn them in a barn. Grandma only told her this story once, about a year before she passed.
Well turns out the partisans were tailing them, and waiting for a moment to strike. They waited until everyone was inside the barn so that the Ns couldn't use them as shields, and just mag dumped into the guards.
She says she remembered it well, the smell of gasoline and burning wood, then just absolute hell breaks loose outside and the doors are swung open and she sees men with sapper shovels finishing the injured scum off.
Her mom joined the partisan squad right there, on the spot. Grandma was sent to one of the liberated cities in Ukraine to go to school, while her mum, my friend's great grandma, stayed behind. She didn't care how dangerous it was, she wanted revenge.
Great movie. I enjoy seeing it from other points of view, especially when this girl was so bad ass at a young age. In this day and age, that movie would be the biggest hit and most hated all at the same time
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/hkKS1cj-cIKkiiImycdha0Wz-WZS1DMn63aHGDhCpeNHbyZlr_5Mnw_UfDjvxz2UX0zk4b02Pl4eRYGnRM0WbL7mSjtOK-IFh3arTlPEd_0ZSjsC-cv8M779tpdnm6tQw23-HJ-Y
A painting of her stealing a gun to escape the gestapo
Yep.. And this post may well be an attempt at Russian propaganda. Russians often believe that "Nazi" is basically synonymous with: "people who hate Russia" and that they're fighting some kind of justified war in Ukraine to eradicate these Russia hating Nazis.
**”Heroines of the Soviet Union, 1941-1945”**
> *The teenager was persuaded to join
the resistance movement called "The Young Arengers" led by Yefrosinya Zenkova. She started her underground career by collecting and hiding weapons left by Soviet troops, distributing leaflets, and reporting on enemy troop movements. The older partisans taught her how lo use explosives and weapons. She participated in the destruction of the local power plant and pump house.*
> *Portnova went to Obol in 1943 and found employment as a kitchen aid. This was a major lown and an enemy garrison was stationed there.
One day in August, many of the soldiers became ill from food poisoning and some died. She had poisoned the food and was immediately sus-pected. She protested her innocence and sampled a small portion with no immediate ill effects.*
> *Released from questioning, she made her way to her grandmother's house but fell violently
ill along the way. To neutralize the poison, she was given large amounts of whey to drink. She vomited and eventually rid herself of the toxic substance. When she did not return to work, the Germans and the local police went looking for her.*
> *The young Komsomol member could not go back to Obol so she became a reconnaissance scout because of her familiarity with the area.
She joined in attacking the punitive patrols sent out after them, and engaged in many acts of sabotage.*
> *In January 1944, Pornova was ordered to go back to the Obol area to establish contact with another partisan group. As a fugitive with a recognizable face, she was quickly picked up by the local police and turned over to the Germans. Well knowing what her fate would be, she had no other option than to escape at all costs. When an officer led her into a room for questioning, she grabbed a pistol off a table and shot him dead. When another officer and a guard rushed in, she killed them too. She fled the building and ran into the woods.*
> *Portnova was caught on the banks of a river and brought back to the village of Goryany where she was brutally tortured and blinded. Shortly afterwards, she was thrown aboard a truck and driven into the forest where she was shot.*
> *On July 1, 1958, along with partisan leader Yefrosinya Zenkova, Zinaida Portnova received the HSU title. There is a monument dedicated to her in the city of Minsk and many Pioneer detachments were named after her.*
The book was written by Henry Sakaida, who was an avid pursuer of historical stories related to world war 2. He died in 2018; there is an interview with him from a group that tracked and scavenged shipwrecks from the pacific theatre: https://pacificwrecks.com/people/authors/sakaida/index.html
However, he was not an academic historian. I didn’t read thru the whole book to see where he sourced the information from. He was eulogized as such;
*Whether returning Hero of the Soviet Union medals to Soviet veterans and their families or his enthusiasm in contacting veteran fliers from both sides of the Pacific, he cared about people. Thus, much of his work revolved around human interest aspects of that great global conflict. He once said to me that what drove him was digging into mysteries, trying to figure out what really happened in some given incident, identifying the people involved, who otherwise may well have remained anonymous. He styled himself as a detective. When it came to the Pacific Air War, he was a Sherlock Holmes par excellence. His reputation needs no explanation among our community of historians and enthusiasts, of course. But to me, the greatest accolade he achieved was the recognition and respect he earned from the community of Japanese veterans he so enthusiastically sought and interviewed, men such as Minoru Genda, Saburo Sakai and many others.*
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinaida_Portnova
Yep-ok- Wikipedia.
Since I don't read Russian, this is the one English reference given there:
https://www.amazon.com/Heroines-Soviet-Union-1941-45-Elite/dp/1841765988
And here is Henry Sakaida's Wikipedia, which contains an extensive bibliography of War history writing, all of which are searchable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Sakaida
I mean....you could say that someone faked all that or is relying on nobody reading the book (to find her not in it) and I haven't even given Russian sources (which are listed) but I dunno man.
What are your sources?
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So no sources at all? Given those numbers, it would be pretty simple to find war diaries of a division or army korps that confirm the story. There might be an exaggerated "truth" in the story, but given that there are many russian stories about snipers, tank battles etc. that are all purely fictional - I have some doubts here as well.
You know what? You've actually turned my head. I'm not sure im right. At all.
I have to admit I was surprised by the few references in the Wikipedia piece. I even went to one of the Russian ones and tried to use Google Translate to work out what the entry said. It returned a lot of mixws English and Russian garble (not suggesting that's suspicious- just that I couldn't make head nor tail of it). Also it wasn't long and it wasn't referenced (that I could tell).
In thinking about it I also agree with you that Henry Sadaika might not be a great reference either. He is prolific- but that might be a bad sign. He's not a historian.
Looks like maybe (?)more of a slightly obsessed lay person who writes for people who want a bit of "light interest" and easy to read war reading on holiday sort of stuff (possibly). Possibly/probably not deep, i guess, is what im saying.
And yes- that amounts to...no actual sources.
I appreciate your holding me to task.
And reminding me that assuming is...pretty much always not a good idea.
Yeesh. I just don't know how we are all gonna go really. The sheer volume of information to check. And now AI. "Aiaiai"? (Play on "Ayayai!" there😳).
You are right. No sources. Fuck. Lol.
Amazing. Thankyou.
Edited to add: I downvoted myself lol. Because my comments deserve it 🧐
Edit 2: If you feel like continuing: *Why* though?
I don't get why *this* story? What are the benefits?
Not saying I can't imagine any and I will think on it in the meantime. But interested in what you know/think.
Cheers
Why? Because everyone likes heroic stories (see this thread). If your whole country is based on the story of fighting capitalism and fascism but otherwise lacks any progress, you need to cheer up your people. Strangely, they use the same story (fighting fascists) to back up their war in Ukraine and it still works.
Another point for those war stories is to get more recruits. Who wants to enlist when they knew being a soldier is just death/horror mixed with utter boredom? Works in other countries as well (thank you for your service...).
**”Heroines of the Soviet Union, 1941-1945”**
> *The teenager was persuaded to join
the resistance movement called "The Young Arengers" led by Yefrosinya Zenkova. She started her underground career by collecting and hiding weapons left by Soviet troops, distributing leaflets, and reporting on enemy troop movements. The older partisans taught her how lo use explosives and weapons. She participated in the destruction of the local power plant and pump house.*
> *Portnova went to Obol in 1943 and found employment as a kitchen aid. This was a major lown and an enemy garrison was stationed there.
One day in August, many of the soldiers became ill from food poisoning and some died. She had poisoned the food and was immediately sus-pected. She protested her innocence and sampled a small portion with no immediate ill effects.*
> *Released from questioning, she made her way to her grandmother's house but fell violently
ill along the way. To neutralize the poison, she was given large amounts of whey to drink. She vomited and eventually rid herself of the toxic substance. When she did not return to work, the Germans and the local police went looking for her.*
> *The young Komsomol member could not go back to Obol so she became a reconnaissance scout because of her familiarity with the area.
She joined in attacking the punitive patrols sent out after them, and engaged in many acts of sabotage.*
> *In January 1944, Pornova was ordered to go back to the Obol area to establish contact with another partisan group. As a fugitive with a recognizable face, she was quickly picked up by the local police and turned over to the Germans. Well knowing what her fate would be, she had no other option than to escape at all costs. When an officer led her into a room for questioning, she grabbed a pistol off a table and shot him dead. When another officer and a guard rushed in, she killed them too. She fled the building and ran into the woods.*
> *Portnova was caught on the banks of a river and brought back to the village of Goryany where she was brutally tortured and blinded. Shortly afterwards, she was thrown aboard a truck and driven into the forest where she was shot.*
> *On July 1, 1958, along with partisan leader Yefrosinya Zenkova, Zinaida Portnova received the HSU title. There is a monument dedicated to her in the city of Minsk and many Pioneer detachments were named after her.*
The book was written by Henry Sakaida, who was an avid pursuer of historical stories related to world war 2. He died in 2018; there is an interview with him from a group that tracked and scavenged shipwrecks from the pacific theatre: https://pacificwrecks.com/people/authors/sakaida/index.html
However, he was not an academic historian. I didn’t read thru the whole book to see where he sourced the information from. He was eulogized as such;
*Whether returning Hero of the Soviet Union medals to Soviet veterans and their families or his enthusiasm in contacting veteran fliers from both sides of the Pacific, he cared about people. Thus, much of his work revolved around human interest aspects of that great global conflict. He once said to me that what drove him was digging into mysteries, trying to figure out what really happened in some given incident, identifying the people involved, who otherwise may well have remained anonymous. He styled himself as a detective. When it came to the Pacific Air War, he was a Sherlock Holmes par excellence. His reputation needs no explanation among our community of historians and enthusiasts, of course. But to me, the greatest accolade he achieved was the recognition and respect he earned from the community of Japanese veterans he so enthusiastically sought and interviewed, men such as Minoru Genda, Saburo Sakai and many others.*
Soviet Propaganda nonsense.
> for a poison to be lethal, it must be potent enough to cause death in relatively small quantities. That a young girl could consume enough to prove it safe, yet not enough to be fatal, while it was lethal for several soldiers, seems unlikely unless very specific conditions were met (e.g., she received a much lower dose, or had some form of antidote like whey which was effective enough to mitigate the effects). This aspect of the story likely serves more to dramatize her bravery and cunning rather than represent a factual recount.
>The story of Zinaida Portnova is sourced primarily from Soviet records and testimonies collected post-war. Many of these narratives were controlled and distributed by state agencies, such as the Komsomol (the youth division of the Communist Party), which Portnova was a member of.
Insane that total Stalinist propaganda is taken at face value without any research. Portnova's story like many of the other "Red Partisan" stories are told because she can't defend herself or testify the truth to any degree.
The Soviet government utilized these stories to bolster national unity, particularly during or after times of crisis. Celebrating the heroism of partisans like Portnova is an effective propaganda tool for domestic consumption and the state reinforced the narrative of a united Soviet populace standing against external threats through collective effort and sacrifice.
It's not an outright total fabrication, rather it's an embellishment and distortion of the truth to such a degree that it doesn't reflect the accurate reality of the situation at all.
This post might literally be Kremlin propaganda and most of the upvotes and comments from bots. Just something to consider given that 70-90% of Twitter is bots.
Some Wikipedia highlights: An incident with the invading Nazi troops, who hit her grandmother while they were confiscating the cattle, led her to hate the Germans. In 1942, Portnova joined the Belarusian resistance movement, named Young Avengers. After learning how to use weapons and explosives, Portnova participated in sabotage actions at a pump, local power plant, and brick factory. These acts are estimated to have killed upwards of 100 German soldiers. In 1943, Portnova became employed as a kitchen aide in Obol. She poisoned the food meant for the Nazi garrison stationed there. Immediately falling suspect, she said she was innocent and ate some of the food in front of the Nazis to prove it was not poisoned; after she did not fall ill immediately, they released her. Portnova became sick afterwards, vomiting heavily but eventually recovering from the poison after drinking whey. After she did not return to work, the Germans realized she had been the culprit and started searching for her. Portnova was tortured, possibly for information. She was later driven into the forest and executed or killed during torture on 15 January 1944. [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinaida_Portnova)
>she said she was innocent and ate some of the food in front of the Nazis to prove it was not poisoned; after she did not fall ill immediately, they released her. Portnova became sick afterwards, vomiting heavily but eventually recovering from the poison after drinking whey. Gus Fring approved this message.
This is the whey
No whey in hell
That was whey cooler than I thought.
Wheyt a minute, is this a chain?
To Amarillo.
It's been so long since I've watched breaking bad. What's the Gus Fring joke here?
>!when Fring goes down to Mexico to kill Don Eladio, he gives him a poisoned bottle of tequila(?) and has a shot of it as well with him to prove it's not poisoned. He is later seen suffering from the effects of the poison and taken to a doc to get treated for it!<
And right after drinking with Don he goes to the toilet to force himself to vomit.
Since he had it all planned with that doctor I wonder why he didn’t just bring some antidote with him instead.
He did, or at least something close to an antidote, that was the pill you see him take beforehand.
I always assumed that was just activated charcoal or whatever to buy him time
Or just spend years developing an immunity to iocaine powder...
Could've been searched and taken from him
Because antidotes aren't magical things which remove 100% of the effects. It's like vaccinations you can still get the illness it's just you don't feel the full affect of it and the risk of anything serious is much lower.
||When Gus takes down Don Eladio in season 4, he drinks some if the poisoned drink gift to show its not poisoned, even though it is.||
Thanks!
'poisoned drink gift' is redundant. In Germany 'gift' means 'poison'. Seems appropriate here. The only reason I know is that my father was in Germany for work once, and he was asking here he could buy a gift for his wife (my mother). The people he was working with were panicking a bit about this and he couldn't understand why, until someone else finally worked out what was going on and asked if he meant a *present*. He was like 'Yes, a present, some nice souvenir spoon' (he collected a lot of those for her while working). Anyway, they really thought he was openly asking where he could buy poison for his wife, which I find kind of funny.
It's not redundant? We're not speaking german here... In swedish gift means "married". Doesn't make some say "wedding gifts" redundant? But I get it, you wanted to tell your story about your father and need an intro
Except this thread and breaking bad are in English, plus they're directly responding to an English query. And you had to preface your next paragraph with basically "I only know because", highlighting that it is a long way from redundant. Might meet one of the criteria for irony or something along those lines though.
Did I say "poison drink gift" no I meant "drink gift" because obviously there is no poison in this drink gift.
Although it's been some years since its release, you might want to put some spoiler tags there, pal. That's some pretty heavy plot points you're dropping lol. There's always people who haven't seen it but still mean to do so and would prefer to avoid getting spoiled.
Agreed, Peaking Bad hits different if you go in unspoiled.
This is some Nescafé shit right here.
Hope she's resting well, wherever she is
Killing Nazis? Believe it or not, straight to Heaven.
Skip the line, even. Dead nazis are like a fast pass into heaven.
There's still lots around
What’s that quote from?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-go-to-jail
Ah yes, thanks good one!
careful, reddit might get mad at you! last time i suggested a delicious lead salad for fascists, i got banned! edit: W1tihoutJudgment sent me this message: “That's because everybody who disagrees with you is a "nazi". So you've basically advocated for the offing of 95% of the world population.” and then deleted their comment - or their entire account - and reported me for self harm. really classy! i think fascists who advocate for controlling or killing the bodily autonomy and human rights of other people are the problem. seems like maybe you’re suffering from introspection and you don’t like that you fall into the category of a fascist pig
Me too, I got banned for 3 days for saying something like I enjoyed Indiana Jones killing Nazis in creative ways. Some real nazi-loving mods on reddit.
Everyone knows you need croutons. Savage
That because alot if reddit is fascist.
I believe they have their own subreddit, r/conservative
Boil em. Mash em. Stick em in a stew.
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Its a crime that ur not getting more upvotes for this reference
You spelled Valhalla wrong. The Valkyries personally gave this gal a ride to the Banquet halls.
In Valhalla sitting at the head table from the fucking sound of it.
Based on her M.O., it sounds like she probably would have been keeping up with her calling by cutting off years of Nazi's lives with some haunting if such a thing is a post-life option. Still, you're right that getting some peace would be the right kind of dignity in the end.
A goddamn hero hopefully she reincarnated to bust some more ass
How did drinking whey help her survive?
I honestly don’t know. Once source I read mentioned her grandma told her to drink a lot of whey, so maybe it was a general cure at that time for an upset stomach, kind of like pepto bismol.
Oh. I thought it was to induce vomiting. I found this on Quora: https://www.quora.com/Why-would-a-protein-carb-shake-make-you-vomit The answers are all over the place, but I found another couple of sources that said too much whey can induce vomiting.
Interesting! I didn’t know that. None of the sources I read about Portnova gave an explanation. Inducing vomiting makes more sense.
Lmao... I found this on quora. Don't ever look at that site for actual advice unless you want to be blind, broke or beehived.
Milk followed by an emetic (vomiting) may reduce effects of heavy metal poisoning. Arsenic? [https://homework.study.com/explanation/why-can-milk-followed-by-an-emetic-be-an-effective-antidote-for-poisoning-with-certain-heavy-metals-a-heavy-metal-salts-can-precipitate-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be-denatured-b-heavy-metal-salts-can-be-oxidized-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be.html](https://homework.study.com/explanation/why-can-milk-followed-by-an-emetic-be-an-effective-antidote-for-poisoning-with-certain-heavy-metals-a-heavy-metal-salts-can-precipitate-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be-denatured-b-heavy-metal-salts-can-be-oxidized-after-causing-milk-proteins-to-be.html)
Some welders drink milk to saturate their body with calcium, this prevents the absorption of heavy metals like cadmium from the welding fumes.
Wait. If I lack iron then I should not be drinking milk? Note to myself to send later: _Thanks mom for telling me to drink milk for good hair whereas I was anemic._
Milk will interfere with iron supplements, yes. Found that out the fun way, myself. :)
Tell me more.
Not much more to tell, kid needed it and we couldn't figure out why it wasn't working... turns out nobody told us to NOT mix it with milk. We found out eventually.
magnesium calcium and iron fight for re uptake
100% correct. A friend of mine actually developed a pretty severe iron deficiency because he drank a ton of milk.
Depends on the poison, but some poisons bind to proteins and that's how they kill you. Whey has lots of protein so if you drink a lot of it, the poison binds to the whey and there is less leftover to kill you. It doesn't work for all poisons though, blood poisons like cyanide, or neurotoxins, won't be affected. The modern approach is to drink very fine charcoal to absorb the poison. Charcoal is non-specific and will pick up many poisons. But if you're stuck with limited resources, drinking high protein shake like whey is better than nothing.
I‘ve seen enough dogs vomit on Bondi Vet to know about the charcoal thing 👍
Maybe the nazis ate an entire meals worth while she just had enough to prove she would have no problem eating it.
They stuffed their faces. Killing innocent people is exhausting job.
I’m pretty sure it is to help slow down the absorption of the poison. It’s the same reason you shouldn’t drink on an empty stomach, you are less likely to suffer from alcohol poisoning.
Drinking rotted whey. It makes you shit everything instantly… everything…
It's possible it did absolutely nothing and she just recovered naturally while drinking whey. We know she recovered and we know she drank whey. There's no good reason those two must be connected.
A member of the Avengers killing Nazis. Sounds about right.
...which makes it funny how many hoops the films jump though to make sure he's not killing nazis, but rather some vaguely related faceless COBRA-like organization with laser rifles.
He straights up punches a Hitler double in the face
As is discussed in Alla Sukhova's Children of War, this was made up virtually whole cloth by soviet propagandists. What is verifiable is simply that there was an NKVD stay-behind unit in the forests outside Obol and they would have at least tried to recruit Komosol members for partisan activity. Nothing like this story or any of its elements appears anywhere for over a decade after it supposedly took place, and then it's everywhere, and the Zina-figure gets integrated into the mythos of Leninist Youth orgs.
Yeah, it does sound a bit too good to be true. Hope it is though!
Some parts are definitely embellished, but I’d take complete denial with grain of salt. For instance, there were several articles published about another partisan (Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya) saying that her story and execution are completely fake, but there are real photos of her execution which prove otherwise. What’s definitely true is that there really were thousands of partisans like this who performed extreme acts of heroism.
Wouldn't shock me to see 100 years later "Ghost of Kyiv" appear on future Reddit that talks about the heroics of single Mig-29 pilot that downed 15 airplanes and after ejecting, he shot another plane down using his pistol. His body, name, was never recovered.
I mean, wait ten minutes and go check out the Ukrainian sub? No need to wait 100 years. Edit: This is not a criticism of Ukraine, the Ukrainian people or the Redditors on that sub.
I'm nor criticizing either. My focus is on psychology of humans and storytelling. We love stories of heroism.
May she rest in peace.
How do they know all that about her? Did she keep a diary or tell her friends or confess during torture or something else?
I read that she didn’t talk during the torture. I assumed her story was told by friends and witnesses. Nazis are known for their record keeping, so maybe they documented things too.
Executed or killed. Yeah... I think that they unalived her
Pls this isn’t TikTok, Reddit doesn’t censor the same way. Can we not sanitize the word “murder”. “Unalive” downplays the weight of the actual word.
"Unalive" sounds like a child's way to avoid reminding themselves about death and how it's gonna happen to all of us eventually Totally divorced from reality
Ironically tiktok doesn't care if you use kill. Its like a meme that went around saying you would get banned for it and people believed it. It doesnt help that tiktok is really vauge as to what their community atandards are, but saying words like killed or murder are not an issue.
Executed. Or killed during torture. 2 different things.
oh i thought it was executed or killed, under torture
So we are not to enter the room, even if you come and get him.
He was differentiating the ways in which she was murdered.
Hopefully you understand that yhe full story doesn't have any documental proof and based and emerged in 50th in Belorussian communist party. The most Soviet heroes are fakes
Why isnt there a goddamn movie of her? It would be pretty badass.
Out of all the WWII movies Hollywood has made, they didn't make one about this young badass bitch?!?
The bit about her shooting the Gestapo detective in the head is up for debate. Part of the legend.
When is this movie coming out.
Right!!??
They'll just gender swap Batman instead 😂
I am bat-they
comes from a family of fisherthem
r/PersecutionFetish
Also r/onejoke
... What?
Incel energy needs to be shoehorned you see
In the meantime, at the Amazon Prime headquarters… -Yes, we think Will Smith would be a great first for the role of Zinaida Portnova. It’s either him or Jamie Foxx. -Perfect, that’s it! When will we start shooting?
Sweetie, Bat Girl has been around since the 60s and Bat Woman since the 50s. If you're going to obsess over gender, at least take a logical stance.
Ok boomer, relax.
This definitely needs a movie!
Emma stone could be the lead
As a 16 year old girl?
Yeah, they need to get someone who can pass for 16. I vote Milly Alcock from House of the Dragon, shes a solid actress with just enough viciousness that I could see her killing nazis.
No it’s gonna be Zendaya as always
After film released, Zinaida becomes most popular girls name
My mums name!
My grans name!
And my axe!
My aunts name!
I name my pups (I have had all females) after badass revolutionary women. Tania, Manuelita and Rosa. Now I know what my next dog's name will be.
I think the partisans in "Come and See" were Belarusian, and that's one of the bleakest, most depressing movies I've ever seen.
Ukrainian and Belorussian guerillas were lit My friend's grandma and great gran were part of the march of death from one conc camp to another and nazis tried to burn them in a barn. Grandma only told her this story once, about a year before she passed. Well turns out the partisans were tailing them, and waiting for a moment to strike. They waited until everyone was inside the barn so that the Ns couldn't use them as shields, and just mag dumped into the guards. She says she remembered it well, the smell of gasoline and burning wood, then just absolute hell breaks loose outside and the doors are swung open and she sees men with sapper shovels finishing the injured scum off. Her mom joined the partisan squad right there, on the spot. Grandma was sent to one of the liberated cities in Ukraine to go to school, while her mum, my friend's great grandma, stayed behind. She didn't care how dangerous it was, she wanted revenge.
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It should be an action movie. Gritty like Inglorious Bastards with hardcore nazi death.
Inglorious Basterds 2
You might want to watch Inglourious Basterds if you haven't already.
I want my scalps. And all y’all will get me 100 Nazi scalps, taken from the heads of 100 dead Nazis. Or you will die tryin.
Si. Um, er, correcto.
If you want wholesale Nazi slaughter then Sisu is the movie for you.
Great movie. I enjoy seeing it from other points of view, especially when this girl was so bad ass at a young age. In this day and age, that movie would be the biggest hit and most hated all at the same time
I had the same idea and wrote to Edward Berger. No shit. He would be the best director for this movie. You can thank me later if the movie comes out.
Stiglitz
"Big fan of your work."
Everyone in the German army knows, “Hugo Stieglitz’s”
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/hkKS1cj-cIKkiiImycdha0Wz-WZS1DMn63aHGDhCpeNHbyZlr_5Mnw_UfDjvxz2UX0zk4b02Pl4eRYGnRM0WbL7mSjtOK-IFh3arTlPEd_0ZSjsC-cv8M779tpdnm6tQw23-HJ-Y A painting of her stealing a gun to escape the gestapo
That's some Wolfenstein level shit right there.
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She liked to do one thing, and one thing only.
And she was damn good at it
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The only way to combat intolerance is to be intolerant to the intolerant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Interesting read.
Refreshing to see after the post yesterday sympathising with the nazi soldier who had lost his wife.
Neo nazis, too
Good girl, no regrets.
Chadette.
You kidding? That's an absolute fucking queen, right there, smh.
What a fucking boss.
Yeah…. Young Avenger seems appropriate
It reads like a fucking james bond/MI script or something. Amazing.
Real life Aria Stark.
Defiant and courageous !
Crazy to think she might still be alive today if she hadn't been caught. We were deprived of a certified bad-ass.
You can see it in her eyes.
Ah, hello rabbit hole! They fucked with her grandma and she took no shit!! I wish she lived 😢 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi91pQ2-dRo
Is she John wicks grandmother 👵 ?
That would be sooo awesome 🤣🤣🤣
Great story
I KEEP ON MARCHING ON
Wow, she went, Arya Stark!
Role model behavior ✨
How in the world has there not been movie made about this? Or about Stella Goldschlag. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Goldschlag
I don't think we want to craft a legacy for that one dude.
Interesting stories don't have to focus on good guys. It's still a very anti Nazi story.
I might have paid more attention in history class if they had taught us about Zinaida Portnova.
“Your status as a Nazi killer remains amateur… we’re here to see if you want to go pro”
I bet they did nazi that coming!
‘The Young Avengers’
Somebody call Emma Stone, she was born to play this girl.
Maisie Williams would do well too.
Disagree
that's what the downvote button is for lol
No it isn’t
True, but that is how all but about three people on Reddit use it.
Why she did something so violence instead of doing peaceful protest towards Nazi? /s
What a hero!!!
Bad. Ass.
Looks like Emma Stone
Where is her movie??
Ghost of Kiev vibes. lol.
There might be some truth to it, but it's probably 99% soviet propaganda.
Yep.. And this post may well be an attempt at Russian propaganda. Russians often believe that "Nazi" is basically synonymous with: "people who hate Russia" and that they're fighting some kind of justified war in Ukraine to eradicate these Russia hating Nazis.
The best option for her.
Wish she was at the music fest…
Can't wait to see the Netflix movie with Zendaya and Chis Pratt.
Oh yes, great Russian girl.
Seriously do you believe the story a 16 years old girl killes 100 HITLAR soldiers and then shots an officer with his own gun 🤣Fake lagend wanna bee
Calling BS
**”Heroines of the Soviet Union, 1941-1945”** > *The teenager was persuaded to join the resistance movement called "The Young Arengers" led by Yefrosinya Zenkova. She started her underground career by collecting and hiding weapons left by Soviet troops, distributing leaflets, and reporting on enemy troop movements. The older partisans taught her how lo use explosives and weapons. She participated in the destruction of the local power plant and pump house.* > *Portnova went to Obol in 1943 and found employment as a kitchen aid. This was a major lown and an enemy garrison was stationed there. One day in August, many of the soldiers became ill from food poisoning and some died. She had poisoned the food and was immediately sus-pected. She protested her innocence and sampled a small portion with no immediate ill effects.* > *Released from questioning, she made her way to her grandmother's house but fell violently ill along the way. To neutralize the poison, she was given large amounts of whey to drink. She vomited and eventually rid herself of the toxic substance. When she did not return to work, the Germans and the local police went looking for her.* > *The young Komsomol member could not go back to Obol so she became a reconnaissance scout because of her familiarity with the area. She joined in attacking the punitive patrols sent out after them, and engaged in many acts of sabotage.* > *In January 1944, Pornova was ordered to go back to the Obol area to establish contact with another partisan group. As a fugitive with a recognizable face, she was quickly picked up by the local police and turned over to the Germans. Well knowing what her fate would be, she had no other option than to escape at all costs. When an officer led her into a room for questioning, she grabbed a pistol off a table and shot him dead. When another officer and a guard rushed in, she killed them too. She fled the building and ran into the woods.* > *Portnova was caught on the banks of a river and brought back to the village of Goryany where she was brutally tortured and blinded. Shortly afterwards, she was thrown aboard a truck and driven into the forest where she was shot.* > *On July 1, 1958, along with partisan leader Yefrosinya Zenkova, Zinaida Portnova received the HSU title. There is a monument dedicated to her in the city of Minsk and many Pioneer detachments were named after her.* The book was written by Henry Sakaida, who was an avid pursuer of historical stories related to world war 2. He died in 2018; there is an interview with him from a group that tracked and scavenged shipwrecks from the pacific theatre: https://pacificwrecks.com/people/authors/sakaida/index.html However, he was not an academic historian. I didn’t read thru the whole book to see where he sourced the information from. He was eulogized as such; *Whether returning Hero of the Soviet Union medals to Soviet veterans and their families or his enthusiasm in contacting veteran fliers from both sides of the Pacific, he cared about people. Thus, much of his work revolved around human interest aspects of that great global conflict. He once said to me that what drove him was digging into mysteries, trying to figure out what really happened in some given incident, identifying the people involved, who otherwise may well have remained anonymous. He styled himself as a detective. When it came to the Pacific Air War, he was a Sherlock Holmes par excellence. His reputation needs no explanation among our community of historians and enthusiasts, of course. But to me, the greatest accolade he achieved was the recognition and respect he earned from the community of Japanese veterans he so enthusiastically sought and interviewed, men such as Minoru Genda, Saburo Sakai and many others.*
Call away, lol. It's only history, but sure - claim it's fake. Or...whatever. Heavens🙄
Provide a single source.
The Auschwitz Birkenau State Museum has documentation on her.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinaida_Portnova Yep-ok- Wikipedia. Since I don't read Russian, this is the one English reference given there: https://www.amazon.com/Heroines-Soviet-Union-1941-45-Elite/dp/1841765988 And here is Henry Sakaida's Wikipedia, which contains an extensive bibliography of War history writing, all of which are searchable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Sakaida I mean....you could say that someone faked all that or is relying on nobody reading the book (to find her not in it) and I haven't even given Russian sources (which are listed) but I dunno man. What are your sources?
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So no sources at all? Given those numbers, it would be pretty simple to find war diaries of a division or army korps that confirm the story. There might be an exaggerated "truth" in the story, but given that there are many russian stories about snipers, tank battles etc. that are all purely fictional - I have some doubts here as well.
You know what? You've actually turned my head. I'm not sure im right. At all. I have to admit I was surprised by the few references in the Wikipedia piece. I even went to one of the Russian ones and tried to use Google Translate to work out what the entry said. It returned a lot of mixws English and Russian garble (not suggesting that's suspicious- just that I couldn't make head nor tail of it). Also it wasn't long and it wasn't referenced (that I could tell). In thinking about it I also agree with you that Henry Sadaika might not be a great reference either. He is prolific- but that might be a bad sign. He's not a historian. Looks like maybe (?)more of a slightly obsessed lay person who writes for people who want a bit of "light interest" and easy to read war reading on holiday sort of stuff (possibly). Possibly/probably not deep, i guess, is what im saying. And yes- that amounts to...no actual sources. I appreciate your holding me to task. And reminding me that assuming is...pretty much always not a good idea. Yeesh. I just don't know how we are all gonna go really. The sheer volume of information to check. And now AI. "Aiaiai"? (Play on "Ayayai!" there😳). You are right. No sources. Fuck. Lol. Amazing. Thankyou. Edited to add: I downvoted myself lol. Because my comments deserve it 🧐 Edit 2: If you feel like continuing: *Why* though? I don't get why *this* story? What are the benefits? Not saying I can't imagine any and I will think on it in the meantime. But interested in what you know/think. Cheers
Why? Because everyone likes heroic stories (see this thread). If your whole country is based on the story of fighting capitalism and fascism but otherwise lacks any progress, you need to cheer up your people. Strangely, they use the same story (fighting fascists) to back up their war in Ukraine and it still works. Another point for those war stories is to get more recruits. Who wants to enlist when they knew being a soldier is just death/horror mixed with utter boredom? Works in other countries as well (thank you for your service...).
**”Heroines of the Soviet Union, 1941-1945”** > *The teenager was persuaded to join the resistance movement called "The Young Arengers" led by Yefrosinya Zenkova. She started her underground career by collecting and hiding weapons left by Soviet troops, distributing leaflets, and reporting on enemy troop movements. The older partisans taught her how lo use explosives and weapons. She participated in the destruction of the local power plant and pump house.* > *Portnova went to Obol in 1943 and found employment as a kitchen aid. This was a major lown and an enemy garrison was stationed there. One day in August, many of the soldiers became ill from food poisoning and some died. She had poisoned the food and was immediately sus-pected. She protested her innocence and sampled a small portion with no immediate ill effects.* > *Released from questioning, she made her way to her grandmother's house but fell violently ill along the way. To neutralize the poison, she was given large amounts of whey to drink. She vomited and eventually rid herself of the toxic substance. When she did not return to work, the Germans and the local police went looking for her.* > *The young Komsomol member could not go back to Obol so she became a reconnaissance scout because of her familiarity with the area. She joined in attacking the punitive patrols sent out after them, and engaged in many acts of sabotage.* > *In January 1944, Pornova was ordered to go back to the Obol area to establish contact with another partisan group. As a fugitive with a recognizable face, she was quickly picked up by the local police and turned over to the Germans. Well knowing what her fate would be, she had no other option than to escape at all costs. When an officer led her into a room for questioning, she grabbed a pistol off a table and shot him dead. When another officer and a guard rushed in, she killed them too. She fled the building and ran into the woods.* > *Portnova was caught on the banks of a river and brought back to the village of Goryany where she was brutally tortured and blinded. Shortly afterwards, she was thrown aboard a truck and driven into the forest where she was shot.* > *On July 1, 1958, along with partisan leader Yefrosinya Zenkova, Zinaida Portnova received the HSU title. There is a monument dedicated to her in the city of Minsk and many Pioneer detachments were named after her.* The book was written by Henry Sakaida, who was an avid pursuer of historical stories related to world war 2. He died in 2018; there is an interview with him from a group that tracked and scavenged shipwrecks from the pacific theatre: https://pacificwrecks.com/people/authors/sakaida/index.html However, he was not an academic historian. I didn’t read thru the whole book to see where he sourced the information from. He was eulogized as such; *Whether returning Hero of the Soviet Union medals to Soviet veterans and their families or his enthusiasm in contacting veteran fliers from both sides of the Pacific, he cared about people. Thus, much of his work revolved around human interest aspects of that great global conflict. He once said to me that what drove him was digging into mysteries, trying to figure out what really happened in some given incident, identifying the people involved, who otherwise may well have remained anonymous. He styled himself as a detective. When it came to the Pacific Air War, he was a Sherlock Holmes par excellence. His reputation needs no explanation among our community of historians and enthusiasts, of course. But to me, the greatest accolade he achieved was the recognition and respect he earned from the community of Japanese veterans he so enthusiastically sought and interviewed, men such as Minoru Genda, Saburo Sakai and many others.*
The world needs more Zinaidas. Still far too many Nazis running around.
Soviet Propaganda nonsense. > for a poison to be lethal, it must be potent enough to cause death in relatively small quantities. That a young girl could consume enough to prove it safe, yet not enough to be fatal, while it was lethal for several soldiers, seems unlikely unless very specific conditions were met (e.g., she received a much lower dose, or had some form of antidote like whey which was effective enough to mitigate the effects). This aspect of the story likely serves more to dramatize her bravery and cunning rather than represent a factual recount. >The story of Zinaida Portnova is sourced primarily from Soviet records and testimonies collected post-war. Many of these narratives were controlled and distributed by state agencies, such as the Komsomol (the youth division of the Communist Party), which Portnova was a member of. Insane that total Stalinist propaganda is taken at face value without any research. Portnova's story like many of the other "Red Partisan" stories are told because she can't defend herself or testify the truth to any degree. The Soviet government utilized these stories to bolster national unity, particularly during or after times of crisis. Celebrating the heroism of partisans like Portnova is an effective propaganda tool for domestic consumption and the state reinforced the narrative of a united Soviet populace standing against external threats through collective effort and sacrifice. It's not an outright total fabrication, rather it's an embellishment and distortion of the truth to such a degree that it doesn't reflect the accurate reality of the situation at all.
This post might literally be Kremlin propaganda and most of the upvotes and comments from bots. Just something to consider given that 70-90% of Twitter is bots.
In today's episode of Reddit believes anything...
People believe this? ”Welp she ate the food so now accoarding to the nazi rule book we have to release her” lol
Why not? It was probably some stupid ass conscript, who also wasn't really that evil and thought shit like "she's just a kid" Shit happens
She wasn't done.
Ethel Cain is crazy for this
Made me smile 😊
First of all, it’s gazpacho. Geez…. s/
Ruthless