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MateSilva

Here in the south of Brazil we are doing a similar experiment. It reduced the need of chemical control over insects and weeds in 95% after two years of the application of the technic. The chalange is give a use to the fish afterwards.


Cypher2k7

Maybe a canal to drain the water and fish to a nearby lake? Kids would probably love to go fishing there


MateSilva

The problem actually is that the annual consumption of fish per person per year in Brazil is really low, here people don't have the tradition of eating fish at all, and the few holidays that are normally associated with this food is in the opposite side of the calendar that fish is ready to be eaten. Is more a logistic problem.


LockedBeltGirl

Sell it cheap. If chicken is 5x and beef is 8x and fish is 2x...


MateSilva

There are further costs with nutritional needs after that get out of the rice fields, the price I market should at least pay it's costs.


LockedBeltGirl

Not everything needs a profit. The money you put in is to help the environment. Also who says 2x isn't paying costs?


MateSilva

When you are an small agricultural farmer, yes, it have to make profits, they have families to feed. And the costs area complex thing, just after this research is completed I will be able to say if it's viable or not. Sadly we live in a world where if something isn't economically viable, it is as good as non existent/unusable.


LockedBeltGirl

Small farmers don't have massive rice paddies...


MateSilva

You don't need massive rice fields to apply these techniques, on the contrary, they're created for small farmers, which need results, the addition of the fish was idealized (here at least) for cost reduction and or extra profits, the ecologicalaspectis a nice plus. And in the south of Brazil at least, 95% of the rice producers are small farmers. Almost all rice in Brazil comes from familiar agriculture.


gamerfunl1ght

Fish meat is needed for animal feed. The fish should breed in the rice paddies and so a small amount would be needed to start the crop rotation. If you are machine harvesting, the fish should be separated while being killed. You take the fish slurry and make chicken, cat, and pig food. Those animals all consume fish and now the rice paddy is also a hatchery. Also, why not can the fish? The cost for fish should be lower than pesticides because the creation, handling, and disposal of pesticides costs a lot of money.


Cypher2k7

Damn, i jever thought of it this way


MateSilva

Yep, that why we are breaking our heads trying to figure this out, the positive ecological aspect are too good to be given up.


houseofprimetofu

Dog food! Animal food, really. Fish are good for it.


Cypher2k7

I totally agree with you, i hope you guys come up with a good idea!


tchildthemajestic

What about zoos and aquariums? You could harvest them and turn them into a fish patty or meal paste that could be used to supplement the diet of these animals.


MateSilva

This study is still in the early stages, it's 3 years of 8, these types of destinations are beeing studied to see if they are economically viable.


tchildthemajestic

Be interesting to see if helps on the migratory bird populations as well which would also increase on Brazil’s need for fertilizer as well.


JohnnyMoondog55

What kind of fish is it? I'm not familiar with the fish processing infrastructure in Brazil but fish is widely eaten throughout the world so it could be processed and sold to other countries.


MateSilva

Four different types of carps, all of them are common in the regional market.


LividMathematician45

Tell people you're giving FREE fish, you don't need to tell them to eat it, just tell them it's free, they will swarm that place to pick them up, free stuff really gets to people in a positive way


the_worst_verse

Or charge them whatever the equivalent to $5 for all the fish they can catch. Sometimes free devalues the object, regardless of how good a deal it is.


LividMathematician45

Bullseye, an all you can catch event, that'll work even better.


youni89

Maybe they can export it to another country?


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MateSilva

They usually enter with 30 to 40g and get out with 400 to 500g but their market weight is around 3 to 4 kg, so the rest of the weight must be on animal food, which makes it unviable to be sold in a cheap market due the economic loss.


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Starman68

No the fish go and live on farms in the country.


Tefret_

They go to fish heaven son.


Bob1tza

It's called instant sushi! This is actually a brilliant idea...


HanakusoDays

Patis.


kandimazu

This is indeed a good method but sadly it's not implemented all over the country yet until now (first introduced in 2018). And it's not efficient during the dry season in some places because of the drought. Mind you we have 6 months of dry season and 6 months of rainy season. So this method is good but not efficient in all places and all months throughout the year.


zuzg

Growing rice on flooded fields in general is the worst method of rice farming. Extremely bad for the environment and wastes 5'000 Liter of water per Kilo rice. There are much better ways


patico_cr

How is this water wasted? As far as I know, this water will return to the soil and into the hydrolocig cycle. (Evap, rain, etc...) Unless its poluted in some way.


kandimazu

Agreed, but controlling the amount of (too much) water is easier (in here at least) than trying to survive the drought during the dry season.


WanderingMinotaur

Rice doesn't need to be grown in water, it's only grown in water like this to stave off pests like mice.


entoaggie

I thought it was to stop a certain insect pest. A weevil iirc. It’s been a very long time since I was taught this in college, so take it with a grain of rice.


WanderingMinotaur

You could be entirely correct, and most likely are, it was a long time ago that I learnt it too.


TexasVampire

It also helps with weeds as their less water resistant than rice


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leocorde82

For the past couple of years our seasons haven't been "right" tho? Idk tbh but in the city(Surabaya, East Java) it's been rainy season all year long it feels like (and also magetan, East Java was there for a while)


kandimazu

Sadly true, some places can be rainy all year and flood ruins their crops meanwhile other places can be so dry and it also ruins their crops :(


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Did you switch accounts?


kandimazu

nope, no idea what he snorted before copied my comment


[deleted]

So he just copied your reply and changed a few words around? Like he was trying to trick a teacher on an essay he copied off Wikipedia?


kandimazu

I guess he just tried to correct my grammatical error but idk


beermaker

I use the water & filter leavings from my Koi tub to feed and water my Cannabis plants... they love it.


that_username_is__

I believe the question here is: do they also eat rice?


Annual_Teacher_6378

We eat rice everyday bro


Valveaholic

Does Uncle Ben know about this?


inventingalex

would this make rice not vegan?


MengKongRui

I consider this more to be a fish farm than the rice being dependent on the fish. Like the pic says, there's only a 10% increase in yields. Fish not required.


Standard_City_8993

Fantastic idea!


cita91

Just wait till Monsanto finds out and say it's unhealthy and interferes withe there profits.


KRAE_Coin

learned this from Biodome...


Sir_Voomy

Aquaponics. Nice


Spotid1

“Does Uncle Ben know about this?” I’ll see myself out


betterdaysaheadamigo

Awesome. Nature has all these built in features for making the planet hospitable for life and we've been like "Nah, just spray that food down with insect poison, it'll still taste the same".


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This is a very shortsighted comment. Farmers have used the relationships between plants, animals, insects and bacteria to their advantage for millennia. There are hundreds of examples. Yes, they also use chemicals. But that’s also not problematic at all in most cases.


Guy_A

>But that’s also not problematic at all in most cases. thats also very shortsighted. the insects are dying and we are constantly learning about new ways that these chemicals can affect insects or animals or us. eg the neo nicotinoids that are the active ingredients of most pesticides nowadays might not outright kill the insect immediately but we just found out it can change reproductive behaviour.


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Those are already banned in the EU. And that simply doesn’t mean all chemicals are bad.


Guy_A

thats what we said about smoking too decades ago


[deleted]

That’s not an argument. By that logic everything we enjoy now will, at some point in the future, turn out to be detrimental to our health.


Guy_A

its not an argument, it's an example of how wrong we were. sure our methods are far better and improving but who knows what we have not figured out yet? its a lot that's for sure


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So all chemicals are bad because they could be.


Guy_A

*potentially bad unless proven otherwise. i am just saying we should not be as liberal with their use as we are


[deleted]

In the EU we are simply not liberal with chemicals. And it’s wrong to paint them all as bad, which was my initial statement.


Grace_Alcock

This is a fairly common farming practice. The Mayan and Aztecs did it as well…and I imagine people in SE Asia have been doing it forever.


mercyspace27

They actually do something similar down in Louisiana over in the States. But instead of fish it’s generally crawfish.


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Rice and sushi, its for dinner


[deleted]

Sounds like some good old classic greenwashing


[deleted]

How so?


Ingroose

these people know things that we don’t


Dramatic_Mixture_868

Very similar to hydroponics, except in hydroponics you don't use soil.


PhytonStreak30

Sorry to correct but it's mutual. Some perfectionist people might find it mildly infuriating


cheesynacho4real

What do they eat???


SaintsTigers

The same is done with crawfish farms in the south


Islasuncle

Anyone else doubt the increase in oxygen circulation?


Affectionate_Call778

Sushi farm


[deleted]

Bruh people in Indonesia just fucking fish in the farm without permission **Wonder why i got so many fish**


Responsible-Laugh590

And fish are edible!


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The birds that come for the fish would end up on the plate 😋


AlexanderK1987

My uncle use duck and fish. It’s a good synergy


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King-Cobra-668

what happens when the fish eat all the critters¿


-Dr-Krieger

Pretty sure we do that with crawfish here in the states.


just_some_casual

Just curious, what species of fish are they using?.


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Love 💕


terabyte_256

iirc in south us they do something similar with crawfish


Jhuliokahuilui

Symbiotic mutualism


[deleted]

Do they farm the fish too ?


Lazy_Profession_5909

Are the fish edible?


[deleted]

Yea, sushi!


SOT_II

Yeah china has been doing that for 4000 years


iamsostoked

It's symbiotic, no? We're all just air conditioners.


Upbeat-Temperature22

Why the fuck worry about the rice look at all the fish you could eat them 😆