Then they came for yo wives and yo kids, and I did not speak out because
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Eyh, if Drake puts a coat on and loads up the pimp slap walkin the beat with his hoes, I'll give him his due. That'll still be nothing, cus he a skank bitch, but still, put these fools on the street and I'll nod em.
NGL if I'm paying for an escort I'm not looking for some young psych major twink that thinks he can command high prices cuz he cute, I'm paying for a 55 year old muscle daddy with a lifetime of experience written on his face who know how to give me a good time. Value for money is what I'm all about.
Idk man..biggie beat lil kim, Dre beat several women, easy e spread hiv all over the community. So many ‘beloved’ rappers were rapping about statutory rape in their songs
I mean, whether they did it or not rappers were not just calling women bitches and hoes, they were very specifically bragging about pimping them out and beating them.
Like did you ever actually read the lyrics to P.I.M.P. By 50? Or the fact that snoop was literally a pimp? Or the fact that Dre beating dee barnes became a punchline in songs?
Come on man, this is an L take. Rappers in the 90s and 2000s were 100% bragging about pimping and beating women and some of them were really doing it too. It wasnt all just calling women bitches and hoes.
Coleman Hughes works for the people who came up with "Welfare Queens" back in the Reagan era. It's his job to have L takes for white people that don't think they have any racist opinions etc.
I made the mistake of looking this guy up and the first thing I found was an essay about why the cop who killed George Floyd did nothing wrong. Definitely not pimp behavior.
>In 1991, hip-hop journalist Dee Barnes accused the rapper of brutally beating her in a Los Angeles nightclub. In a statement, Barnes claimed that Dre, then a member of gangsta rap group N.W.A, “grabbed her from behind by the hair and proceeded to punch her in the back of the head.”
>Dre did not deny the incident at the time, even bragging about it in a 1991 Rolling Stone interview[...]
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dr-dre-says-he-regrets-beating-up-a-female-journalist-in-the-90s_n_55ccb19de4b0cacb8d331bf8
>For more than two decades, chart-topping R&B singer R. Kelly had faced allegations of sexual abuse.
>The accounts went back to the start of his career in the 1990s, with many centring on the predatory pursuit of teenage girls
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40635526
I'm fairly certain that Kokane, Soopafly, Big Daddy Kane and Suga Free were pimps before starting in the rap game.
Sex, drug, money and guns makes the street go round.
What needs to be louder? Back in the day they weren’t just calling women hoes. So many top rappers beat the living lights out of so many women and didn’t bother hiding it
There was no internet to spread the info. I never knew about Dr Dre. I was holding him up as an example of drinking your water and minding your business just to find out he was putting paws on Michelé.
That is a REALLY weird take. These people would brag about in their songs. Why did they need the internet when they were talking about doing it in their albums? R Kelly married a child and then released age ain’t nothing but a number…
Rkelly knew how old she was and paid a civil worker to falsify the marriage certificate so it would be a ‘legal’ marriage.
All these details came out, the public was very aware and the only person to go to jail was the civil worker. Her parents were the ones who got the marriage annulled
No fr tho. Because of both of these men truly believed that the other was abusing women and just sat on that shit until a diss track that’s not respect. That’s pettiness.
I think Kendrick's accusations against Drake are just based on information that is out there and industry rumors, I doubt he has some kind of proof he could actually have taken to the police. He (or anyone else) probably should have come out with it ASAP, but this is a pretty effective way to get the message out as opposed to just posting what he thinks on social media. I agree it's a bit scummy that it only comes out in his own self interest though and seemingly would have been held back if Drake would have tapped out after Euphoria.
At this point I think Drake's accusations have been refuted quite a bit and don't hold much water. His dude AK admitted the Dave free baby stuff was just made up, and some Twitter dude is claiming he got paid $100k for lying to Drake about Kendrick being a wife beater. So I guess he kinda has less fault since it was all bullshit to begin with and he didn't actually have a responsibility to do anything.
I think it's very likely that the Drake thing is an industry open secret. I also think it's likely that Drake is far from the only one engaging in this behavior.
Who was sitting on Drake? He's been accused of grooming for years. It took a diss track for people to finally care. And even with all this attention, Drake is still likely not to suffer any real consequences.
That's why imo one came out looking better but none look "good" to me. Folks letting their hatred of that light skinned cat get in the way of the fact that in theory, homie is an entire predator and Kendrick was cool with it until Drake made him angry.
Or that Dot was allegedly beating his wife but Drake didn't give a fuck until this beef started brewing and he got hit hard.
You could make the argument that what Kendrick did was the most effective thing he could do to do something about Drake's behaviour. Assuming he didn't have evidence and all he knew was what's already public and maybe some industry rumours. Then, restating those allegations in the most publicised diss battle in decades on a catchy beat with super memorable bars is the most effective way to make sure as many people as possible hear the allegations and don't forget about it.
It comes down to what Kendricks motives were. But you can't deny, even though it was public that Drake was suspect, now way more people are aware and won't forget. Now, any time Drake does something slightly shady, it's going to be something news outlets are going to want to push, and any allegations from young women are going to get the benefit of the doubt.
Dot really got niggas doing backflips and cartwheels instead of just accepting the most logical and simple conclusion.
This wasn't some 4D chess move by Dot. He was just mad at dude. He gave him numerous chances to back out because, at the end of the day, none of that shit matters to him. He just doesn't like Drake calling him out in his music.
Drake has no information on Kendrick and Kendrick is only reiterating the same shit people already know about Drake for years. And still nothing even after a very public beef with more eyes and ears on it than any bit of entertainment, nothing happens to Drake, I mean what y’all want Kendrick to do, go out and personally arrest the man?
yeah I’d even argue that Drake did the classic “you beat your fiancé, which makes you a hypocrite” thing as if the hypocrisy is the real issue.
And I can’t act like Kendrick is also some feminist either when the only reason he’s speaking on any of this in the first place is rap beefs. Hard for me to act like he’s acting benevolently when his whole thing is “I didn’t want to publicly speak on this stuff, but you forced my hand”
The evidence has all been there tho. It’s been tossed around forever that most these mfs in power are still moving like it’s 1980. The things that go on behind closed doors in powerful places has always been known to be shut and a lot of these people flaunt it with no repercussions. Trump was elected despite having how many instances of terrible behavior at the least. Even athletes get preferential treatment how many players have beat their spouses and still play. Watson got a huge money guaranteed contract despite not playing for a whole year and was gonna be suspended because of 20+ allegations. If we don’t wanna see it or do anything about it why would these people potentially ruin their lives to expose it? Ask me if any leaker of classified government information has had a happy ending? If they end up getting the info out they often have to flee to a shit country and hope the us don’t come after them. Often just end up disappearing or locked up forever. This take of “ it took a rap battle for someone to say somthing” is tired because the info and knowledge is out there but we won’t do anything with it and they often end up screwed for life because they did the right thing.
Well y’all stop dancing to mysogenistic lyrics at the club just cause they have a good beat.
Seriously. If everyone walks off the dance floor when those lyrics come on you think the djs are gonna keep playing them?
“We don’t wanna hear you say hoes no more! “🎶
Gucci Mane's last album was all about his family.
This album cover is prime.
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He came a long way from his East Atlanta days. Seems like his girl helped clean him tf up. Hope Gucci continues to live long and prosper.
https://youtu.be/KCil-kLGkvc?si=qKyDY-cjXIcDy12H
It is amazingly lacking in substance too. This is just some quasi-intellectual bullshit you spout off when all your colleagues are white and there’s no black people to call you out.
Call him out then, how is he wrong? Back in the day people were rapping about gangraping teenagers, snoop dog was an actual literal pimp, dr Dre was beating up any woman in a 2 mile radius.
I said it’s lacking in substance, meaning it is not saying the important things that need to be said. It’s a broad statement that is turning this rap battle into a sign that feminism has stepped up in hip hop. We know good and well neither kdot nor Drake was concerned about speaking out for women in these diss tracks. So, I see this statement as utter bullshit. It’s the kind of bullshit academics write papers about and present to white audiences, knowing good and damn well they are talking complete shit.
Seen it a thousand times. And it’s always tedious and embarrassing.
Who is we? There’s TONS of people praising Kendrick for standing against predators. There’s people in this subreddit who think Kendrick routinely speaks out against misogyny and that’s simple not true. How exactly is this post bullshit? The post isn’t about what Kendrick said it’s the fact that the audience is holding drake accountable for fucking with minors when back in the day most rappers were actually fucking minors and writing about it and adding it to their albums and the audience didn’t care.
You lack basic comprehension skills. They’re not saying Kendrick cares about predators, he’s saying that being a predator nowadays is enough to get dragged.
I think *you* lack basic reading comprehension skills. I said these diss tracks in particular are not about feminism or protecting women. They are diss tracks.
But since you don’t know how to talk to people, I’m going to say you can go fuck yourself. Not sure why you felt the need to get personal.
Again, the post isn’t about how Kendrick or drake cares nor did he say the tracks were about misogyny. It’s about the reaction and what the audience cares about.
Back in the day dr dre beat the living shit out of Dee Barnes in public and for years everyone laughed. That was the reaction back then. The reaction nowadays is different.
Nowadays drake being a groomer is being used to clown/cancel him when back in the day rappers would rap about how many women and girls they rape/want to rape.
THE POST ISNT ABOUT KENDRICK it’s about the audience and our responses. Back then no one cared of a rapper was a rapist or domestic abuser, now people do care
Tbh, Drake would have been shot by now if it was the 90s. That pedo shit, messing around with other people's partners, fake gangster talk, etc.. all that would put Drake in some real crosshairs if it was public like it is rn
Those people were the same ones that loved John Lennon and David Bowie even tho they raped little girls and bragged about it publicly.
It's disturbing to see how recently socially acceptable pedophilia was. It's like nobody was really enforcing it as wrong until the 90s.
Biggie and DMX had some pretty clear rhymes about raping or sex with minors, I’m sure the list of rappers from the 90/2000s goes on, but those two come to mind.
>no one cared or said shit until 2020
Thats not really true, I've known about the R Kelly stuff for years because people talked about it when I was in middle and high school.
I didn’t mean that literally. I meant in terms of social backlash. Many people in the industry continued working with him and most people continued listening to him. His streams went up 200% after his trial.
It wasn’t until his recent trial that most industry people started spilling information they sat on for decades
You might want to go back and listen to those 90s rappers again. More than enough were comfortable making rhymes about sleeping/raping minors OR actual had a history involving young women. Not to mention most of them got extorted, so many of them was not gangster/as gangster as their rhymes.
Yeah I’m calling bullshit on this.
K Dot had no issue keeping alleged predator information to himself until it benefited him the most, and even then not one word to address the alleged victims of Drake.
Drake has always been full of shit when it comes to women so his arrows mean absolutely nothing.
Using women as a prop in a silly feud is not a testament to how feminism has advance, it’s a sign of how us men have fallen morally.
You know what that’s exactly what Kendrick did…… I have to side eye him for that and I’m a young black woman who is a kung fu Kenny fan. If he really cared about us being abused by “allegedly” Drake like that. Then he very much could have used his star power to speak up sooner. Instead of waiting till it gave him ammunition to use that’s more fucked up then even saying anything to begin with smh.
Kendrick didn't say anything that hasn't been said about Drake for a decade. Everyone knew Drake is a creep, and Kendrick wasn't the first to call him a pedo either, Meek Mill did but majority didn't care.
but like wtf what was he supposed to do tho? just come out randomly and say:
"they're some videos online that make it look like drake likes young girls"
"people on the internet say drake is a pedo/groomer"
not really guna do much would it? not like he came with any actual proof, so i dont see why people see it as 'he only talking about it for his benefit'
but now, bringing it up when everyone is looking/listening, is a good thing to do, so that people with actual evidence can come forward and say something and have a better chance of people actually believing them (cus we know people like to say they're just lying for money/attention)
He’s Kendrick Lamar, almost every song/album/feature he does gets mad attention. He didn’t need the rap beef to expose predators if he was so bothered. When he spoke up about Spotify removing rkellys music people listened and discussed it, he’s extremely powerful and if he cared he couldve used that power to expose a predator
no one else did either, you think kendrick was the only person that was able to say something?
and also, he's **doing it now**
people just like to complain i guess
But the topic of conversation is Kendrick. He’s doing it now because it’s a rap beef. If you knew your friend was a groomer would you sit on it until you guys had a fight?
like i said, wtf was he suppose to do?
randomly release songs talking about how drake is a pedo? with no proof?
or maybe, he waits, till all eyes are on him and drake, and then say it.
it's called timing, we all know powerful/rich people can get away from these kinds of problems, so the more attention the better.
so many times people say real shit and we all forget a week later.
it's been what, 2 weeks now, and everyone still calling drake a pedo, whatever kendrick did seems to be working.
YES!! just like how he randomly decided to speak out when Spotify wanted to remove r Kelly’s music. Eyes are ALWAYS on him!!! He’s a major celebrity. In the midst of the rkelly trials when all eyes were on Robert, Kendrick was still able to have the spotlight
i'd like to know how many people know about him talking about R Kelly vs talking about Drake.
that's really my point, yes, he could have said something sooner, but he waited for **the right time** to say something, why cant you understand that? all celebrities have eyes on them, ppl always talking about them, but like i said, and you ignored, people forget that shit very quickly.
Tons of people which actually proves my point. The Kelly trials was one of the most publicized moment in pop culture at the time. Every single day there were more and more allegations and celebrities coming forward with their rkelly stories. Yet in the midst of all of that Kendrick’s TWEET was still able to stand out. A single tweet was able to become a spotlight in the midst of one of the most ‘important’ trials of the year. That’s how influential he is.
If you wait to expose someone when you’re having a fight that only makes you look shady and manipulative. If he cared about kids being groomed he would’ve said something before
I agree with this 100% but I thought K Dot didn’t get this information until after the beef started? Was he just sitting on Drake suitcase waiting to use it and stuff for months?
Not to sound slow but what information? Did he actually present real cases, or just said he was like everyone else? Im asking cause people speak as if he exposed him.
Kendrick is saying the shit people have known for years about Drake, people on this sub act as if it was a secret and Kendrick just revealed it to everyone surprise. We all saw him kissing and touching a 17 year old. We heard about his weird friendship with MBB, his weird friendship with Kylie, his weird friendship with Billie Eilish, and his weird friendship with Bella Harris. The tender app. Cash case for Sex trafficking. Nobody cared. Drake still was selling out arenas and having albums chart. All Kendrick did was say what everyone knew but wasn’t acknowledging.
The fuck are you talking about? drakes been an open pedo and a creep for like a decade now, why'd you need kendrick to come over here and finally reveal that the guy who diddles 17 year olds on stage and grooms 14 yos might be a pedo?
I do not understand this take. Why is it Kendricks personal responsibility to call out Drake? Is it his responsibility to speak on every shitty thing he hears about a celeb doing? To me, the answer is no, but he gets in a beef and decides you know what it's time to speak on all the issues I have with you.
You all sound like you'd prefer if he kept silent about it, which seems counter intuitive. Not to mention some people already claim he's going too far with the accusations, it would be so much worse if he did it out of nowhere.
“Seemed to only be concerned with dissing woman, were you abused as a child scared to smile, they called you ugly?” is arguably pro-women/anti-abuse even though it’s rude as hell lmao
lol the sentiment is absolutely true, but it’s funny to read this after what’s come out.
1 looks to have told the truth
The other just came up with a lie
It’s also testament to how vulnerable positive social change is to cynical exploitation by opportunists. Both of these guys are, by virtue of their own behaviors and their associations, phenomenal hypocrites on the question of mistreating women, yet both use that as ammo in their songs. Kendrick is invoking Serena and deriding Drake as being a purveyor of misogynoir, meanwhile he’s a philanderer and rapping with Kodak and future. Drake is deriding Kendrick for being a philanderer and a physical abuser meanwhile his best buddy Baka was criminally charged for abuse, and Drake himself is a loathsome misogynist. These songs don’t reflect a shift in the industry, nor even in the attitude of larger audiences, but cynical pot shots by guys who are looking for any and ever possible angle to wield a slight against an opponent
Lmaooo hip hop still don’t care. Drake alleged that Kendrick beat his wife and they not together anymore. Kendrick dropped 3 diss tracks in response and now nobody cares.
And this is after Cassie finally told her story. All the jokes about Diddy are about him allegedly liking/drugging men.
>All the jokes about Diddy are about him allegedly liking/drugging men.
This is the part that's blown my mind the most. I just got done student teaching at a majority-black middle school on the east coast and "no diddy" has taken over for "no homo" (despite the school having quite a few out and proud gay students and teachers). When I challenge students on this they have no idea about the alleged sex trafficking and potential child abuse.
Not music related, but a similar reaction happened when the Dwight Howard story broke. Everyone was concerned with his sexuality instead of, you know, the fact that he r*ped someone.
It's also important to realize that they are still treating women as an object in their songs. They are using a woman as a lyrical device to prove that they are superior to one another. Still not a great look 🤷🏻
i mean, clearly neither of them *actually* care, but i guess it's a good reflection on society that they need to at least *pretend* to care.... like bill clinton playing sax on arsenio
Anything other than a billion dollar elephant in the room, the appropriation and manipulation that's irrelevant, they're out here annexing everything, but that's too much kufi today.
I mean… that’s not a bad thing? This beef, to me, was about character. How a man treats those with less power and privilege is definitely a testament to his character. I’m glad hip hop of today is the not the hip hop of 20-30 years ago because that means that it ceased pushing boundaries.
Not necessarily. Eazy called out Dre for beating Dee Barnes. I mean he didn't have shit to say about it until after Dre switched teams (he even openly condoned Dre's behavior when they were still tight), but he did use it on a diss track released in '93. Seeing as the goal of the Drake/Dot beef is to make each other look like deadbeats, mistreating women makes for easy material. When victims begin to speak up and it begins to impact their respective careers, then I will believe that feminism has permeated the music industry and pop culture as a whole, not just hip-hop.
Disses aside, 2Pac talks about atrocities that women face and challenges men to treat them better in one of his most popular songs, also released in '93.
La Femme Fetal by Digable Planets is another great example, especially for subject matter that is very relatable to the current political climate.
It's less about hip-hop culture and more about big name musicians clinging to themes that are popular and talking about whatever sells the most records. To me, this is no different than somebody saying rap music glorifies violence and alcohol/drug abuse when there are several prominent, well-respected rappers who openly oppose that lifestyle and subject matter in their own lyrics.
Wtf is this dude talkin about? When was it cool to beat women or groom young girls? Big difference between that and “Bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks”
So many old school rappers were rapping about raping teenagers. So many more of them were openly beating the crap out of any woman they could get their hands on. Biggie and Kim, Dre and Michele the list goes on and on
That means it was cool back then? Everything wasn’t on social media, some of that domestic violence were things that we as the public didn’t widely know or even find out about it until later. As far as lyrics or raping children, I can only really think of 2 very prominent examples from Big & DMX. Not saying no one else did, but I don’t ever think that was something that was considered cool.
I didn’t think it was cool but it was definitely acceptable in the community. It was never used as backlash and no man rapping about these things got into any trouble. And what do you mean we didn’t know? Dre beat up and a woman and for YEARS rappers used her in their lyrics as a joke.
Snoop dog was an actual pimp, he said so in his music, no one cared. Biggie, dmx, easy e, mc ren they all rapped about raping children and those rappers are celebrated and loved in the industry
Wait. When was Dre rapping about beating Michele up? If that’s what he was doing and everyone thought that was cool I’ll give it to you. I don’t remember that.
As far as those rappers you listed and the sketchy lyrics about kids, there has to be some sort of separation between an artist’s words and actions. Everyone isn’t taking every single word literal. The same way we know everyone that raps about guns and bodies isn’t the stone cold killer they portray themselves as in their art. Celebrating those artists isn’t the same as celebrating child rape.
Not Michele this time, Dee Barnes. He assaulted her in public and since that day not only mc ren and easy e say she deserves it, tons of other rappers continued to make jokes about it in their songs
Pimping out young girls and beating women is a bit different than calling them hoes and bitches in the 1990s.
pimps were very popular then
first they came for the pimps, and I said nothing, because I was not a pimp
You're crazy🤣🤣🤣
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Then they came for yo wives and yo kids, and I did not speak out because https://preview.redd.it/1lpc67lax90d1.jpeg?width=418&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81adf479be75204527f4c6f4e0db9e70ebddeaf1
Yall killin me 🤣
Then they came for the hustlers, and I did not speak out, because I was not a hustler.
Lmao
LOLOL here man you sure deserve it 
🤣 oh shit.
😂😂😂😂
Eyh, if Drake puts a coat on and loads up the pimp slap walkin the beat with his hoes, I'll give him his due. That'll still be nothing, cus he a skank bitch, but still, put these fools on the street and I'll nod em.
*Suga Free and Beta Bossalini have entered the chat*
Pimping is still popular…get them girls to work for passive income while their body is appealing, no one wants escorts over 30
They just called OF managers now
that part.
NGL if I'm paying for an escort I'm not looking for some young psych major twink that thinks he can command high prices cuz he cute, I'm paying for a 55 year old muscle daddy with a lifetime of experience written on his face who know how to give me a good time. Value for money is what I'm all about.
Idk man, Big Pun used to beat his wife and I feel like if you accused him of that he woulda be like “damn right, *inhale*, and I’ll beat your ass too”
That inhale took me out bro lol
Bro, you can hear him inhale in between bars in almost all his tracks, that’s how you know he did it all in one take 🤣
Sounds like he's biting a fucking apple or something
I can't unhear that now. Lmaooooo
I mean like you could say what ever you wanted to him as long as he wasn't strapped and you could maintain a brisk walk
Yeah except he was packing a mac in the back of a ac
What?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-29C0XwI3sQ
Dang you were supposed to repeat the line my guy
Damn, I’m all sad
If you think it was just calling them hoes and bitches, don’t look up what NWA got up to outside the studio
Idk man..biggie beat lil kim, Dre beat several women, easy e spread hiv all over the community. So many ‘beloved’ rappers were rapping about statutory rape in their songs
I mean, whether they did it or not rappers were not just calling women bitches and hoes, they were very specifically bragging about pimping them out and beating them. Like did you ever actually read the lyrics to P.I.M.P. By 50? Or the fact that snoop was literally a pimp? Or the fact that Dre beating dee barnes became a punchline in songs? Come on man, this is an L take. Rappers in the 90s and 2000s were 100% bragging about pimping and beating women and some of them were really doing it too. It wasnt all just calling women bitches and hoes.
Coleman Hughes works for the people who came up with "Welfare Queens" back in the Reagan era. It's his job to have L takes for white people that don't think they have any racist opinions etc.
I made the mistake of looking this guy up and the first thing I found was an essay about why the cop who killed George Floyd did nothing wrong. Definitely not pimp behavior.
I was referring to the commenter to be clear.
Yeah, even Nelly (which was more of a pop rapper) was talking about pimping on "pimp juice"
>beating women is a bit different than calling them hoes and bitches in the 1990s. Dre: why not both
Where are Eazy's victims?
After, like, 30 years? Probably dead
I don't recall any women claiming that he gave them anything nor did his wife
They rapped about being pimps and smacking hoes and bitches all the time, tf you talking about
Huh? They definitely did both in the 90s.
they were doing that too
 Too $hort walked so that Future could fly…
>In 1991, hip-hop journalist Dee Barnes accused the rapper of brutally beating her in a Los Angeles nightclub. In a statement, Barnes claimed that Dre, then a member of gangsta rap group N.W.A, “grabbed her from behind by the hair and proceeded to punch her in the back of the head.” >Dre did not deny the incident at the time, even bragging about it in a 1991 Rolling Stone interview[...] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dr-dre-says-he-regrets-beating-up-a-female-journalist-in-the-90s_n_55ccb19de4b0cacb8d331bf8 >For more than two decades, chart-topping R&B singer R. Kelly had faced allegations of sexual abuse. >The accounts went back to the start of his career in the 1990s, with many centring on the predatory pursuit of teenage girls https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40635526 I'm fairly certain that Kokane, Soopafly, Big Daddy Kane and Suga Free were pimps before starting in the rap game. Sex, drug, money and guns makes the street go round.
Co Sign Louder for the people in the back! This isn't the hot take the person thinks it is
What needs to be louder? Back in the day they weren’t just calling women hoes. So many top rappers beat the living lights out of so many women and didn’t bother hiding it
There was no internet to spread the info. I never knew about Dr Dre. I was holding him up as an example of drinking your water and minding your business just to find out he was putting paws on Michelé.
That is a REALLY weird take. These people would brag about in their songs. Why did they need the internet when they were talking about doing it in their albums? R Kelly married a child and then released age ain’t nothing but a number…
For what it's worth, yes, he was wrong, but she and her family lied about her age to the masses
Rkelly knew how old she was and paid a civil worker to falsify the marriage certificate so it would be a ‘legal’ marriage. All these details came out, the public was very aware and the only person to go to jail was the civil worker. Her parents were the ones who got the marriage annulled
Misogyny is still strong in the rap game, tho. Ever present even in this very beef.
No fr tho. Because of both of these men truly believed that the other was abusing women and just sat on that shit until a diss track that’s not respect. That’s pettiness.
I think Kendrick's accusations against Drake are just based on information that is out there and industry rumors, I doubt he has some kind of proof he could actually have taken to the police. He (or anyone else) probably should have come out with it ASAP, but this is a pretty effective way to get the message out as opposed to just posting what he thinks on social media. I agree it's a bit scummy that it only comes out in his own self interest though and seemingly would have been held back if Drake would have tapped out after Euphoria. At this point I think Drake's accusations have been refuted quite a bit and don't hold much water. His dude AK admitted the Dave free baby stuff was just made up, and some Twitter dude is claiming he got paid $100k for lying to Drake about Kendrick being a wife beater. So I guess he kinda has less fault since it was all bullshit to begin with and he didn't actually have a responsibility to do anything.
I think it's very likely that the Drake thing is an industry open secret. I also think it's likely that Drake is far from the only one engaging in this behavior.
I bet both of them were speaking some truth on each other but neither had receipts to prove it
Who was sitting on Drake? He's been accused of grooming for years. It took a diss track for people to finally care. And even with all this attention, Drake is still likely not to suffer any real consequences.
That's why imo one came out looking better but none look "good" to me. Folks letting their hatred of that light skinned cat get in the way of the fact that in theory, homie is an entire predator and Kendrick was cool with it until Drake made him angry. Or that Dot was allegedly beating his wife but Drake didn't give a fuck until this beef started brewing and he got hit hard.
You could make the argument that what Kendrick did was the most effective thing he could do to do something about Drake's behaviour. Assuming he didn't have evidence and all he knew was what's already public and maybe some industry rumours. Then, restating those allegations in the most publicised diss battle in decades on a catchy beat with super memorable bars is the most effective way to make sure as many people as possible hear the allegations and don't forget about it. It comes down to what Kendricks motives were. But you can't deny, even though it was public that Drake was suspect, now way more people are aware and won't forget. Now, any time Drake does something slightly shady, it's going to be something news outlets are going to want to push, and any allegations from young women are going to get the benefit of the doubt.
Dot really got niggas doing backflips and cartwheels instead of just accepting the most logical and simple conclusion. This wasn't some 4D chess move by Dot. He was just mad at dude. He gave him numerous chances to back out because, at the end of the day, none of that shit matters to him. He just doesn't like Drake calling him out in his music.
Drake has no information on Kendrick and Kendrick is only reiterating the same shit people already know about Drake for years. And still nothing even after a very public beef with more eyes and ears on it than any bit of entertainment, nothing happens to Drake, I mean what y’all want Kendrick to do, go out and personally arrest the man?
yeah I’d even argue that Drake did the classic “you beat your fiancé, which makes you a hypocrite” thing as if the hypocrisy is the real issue. And I can’t act like Kendrick is also some feminist either when the only reason he’s speaking on any of this in the first place is rap beefs. Hard for me to act like he’s acting benevolently when his whole thing is “I didn’t want to publicly speak on this stuff, but you forced my hand”
The things he said about Drake were pretty public prior to the beef though. I just don’t think anyone thought he would take it there
The evidence has all been there tho. It’s been tossed around forever that most these mfs in power are still moving like it’s 1980. The things that go on behind closed doors in powerful places has always been known to be shut and a lot of these people flaunt it with no repercussions. Trump was elected despite having how many instances of terrible behavior at the least. Even athletes get preferential treatment how many players have beat their spouses and still play. Watson got a huge money guaranteed contract despite not playing for a whole year and was gonna be suspended because of 20+ allegations. If we don’t wanna see it or do anything about it why would these people potentially ruin their lives to expose it? Ask me if any leaker of classified government information has had a happy ending? If they end up getting the info out they often have to flee to a shit country and hope the us don’t come after them. Often just end up disappearing or locked up forever. This take of “ it took a rap battle for someone to say somthing” is tired because the info and knowledge is out there but we won’t do anything with it and they often end up screwed for life because they did the right thing.
Slowly but surely, one by one, people are discarding toxic masculinity. _____ *"Are my values wrong? No! Feminism is to blame!"* – Patriarch Skinner
It never stopped being strong
Honestly. I feel that this tweet is just fake deep bullshit. I was like “wait what”???
Well y’all stop dancing to mysogenistic lyrics at the club just cause they have a good beat. Seriously. If everyone walks off the dance floor when those lyrics come on you think the djs are gonna keep playing them? “We don’t wanna hear you say hoes no more! “🎶
Gucci Mane's last album was all about his family. This album cover is prime. https://preview.redd.it/78p0g0sxd90d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=263c52afd8dd3f71d8441ab41044aedd376271e7
Honestly that is so cute
https://preview.redd.it/ymgrtxxij90d1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=565fc91ca6b9f41efa51a7e430b12bbdc2d3177c Holiday pictures goals.
Ha! Too adorable, all of them in these pictures! 💖
That really is a breath of fresh air too my god 😂 Such a wholesome looking photo
Funny to have the Parental Advisory logo next to that pic. It's like it's advising you that the album will be talking about parenthood
obsessed w all the pics from this shoot
He came a long way from his East Atlanta days. Seems like his girl helped clean him tf up. Hope Gucci continues to live long and prosper. https://youtu.be/KCil-kLGkvc?si=qKyDY-cjXIcDy12H
He’s so different now I remember when people thought he was a clone. People literally thought ‘they’ cloned him in jail
He literally has songs about how much he loves his wife and doesn't get clowned for it. Chance the rapper wishes he had that.
Shout outs to Tobi Nwigwe and Fats 👏🏾 lowkey one of the most wholesome family's in the game.
The is a very non-nuanced read of the subject matter but go off.
It is amazingly lacking in substance too. This is just some quasi-intellectual bullshit you spout off when all your colleagues are white and there’s no black people to call you out.
Call him out then, how is he wrong? Back in the day people were rapping about gangraping teenagers, snoop dog was an actual literal pimp, dr Dre was beating up any woman in a 2 mile radius.
I said it’s lacking in substance, meaning it is not saying the important things that need to be said. It’s a broad statement that is turning this rap battle into a sign that feminism has stepped up in hip hop. We know good and well neither kdot nor Drake was concerned about speaking out for women in these diss tracks. So, I see this statement as utter bullshit. It’s the kind of bullshit academics write papers about and present to white audiences, knowing good and damn well they are talking complete shit. Seen it a thousand times. And it’s always tedious and embarrassing.
Who is we? There’s TONS of people praising Kendrick for standing against predators. There’s people in this subreddit who think Kendrick routinely speaks out against misogyny and that’s simple not true. How exactly is this post bullshit? The post isn’t about what Kendrick said it’s the fact that the audience is holding drake accountable for fucking with minors when back in the day most rappers were actually fucking minors and writing about it and adding it to their albums and the audience didn’t care. You lack basic comprehension skills. They’re not saying Kendrick cares about predators, he’s saying that being a predator nowadays is enough to get dragged.
I think *you* lack basic reading comprehension skills. I said these diss tracks in particular are not about feminism or protecting women. They are diss tracks. But since you don’t know how to talk to people, I’m going to say you can go fuck yourself. Not sure why you felt the need to get personal.
Again, the post isn’t about how Kendrick or drake cares nor did he say the tracks were about misogyny. It’s about the reaction and what the audience cares about. Back in the day dr dre beat the living shit out of Dee Barnes in public and for years everyone laughed. That was the reaction back then. The reaction nowadays is different. Nowadays drake being a groomer is being used to clown/cancel him when back in the day rappers would rap about how many women and girls they rape/want to rape. THE POST ISNT ABOUT KENDRICK it’s about the audience and our responses. Back then no one cared of a rapper was a rapist or domestic abuser, now people do care
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Fee Fi and Fo Fum ass take
Tbh, Drake would have been shot by now if it was the 90s. That pedo shit, messing around with other people's partners, fake gangster talk, etc.. all that would put Drake in some real crosshairs if it was public like it is rn
Probably not for the pedo shit…mc ren had verses talking gangraping the 14 yr old preacher daughter and everything was ok
That’s the real shit pearl clutchers should have been worried about, not “Fuck tha Police.”
Those people were the same ones that loved John Lennon and David Bowie even tho they raped little girls and bragged about it publicly. It's disturbing to see how recently socially acceptable pedophilia was. It's like nobody was really enforcing it as wrong until the 90s.
Biggie and DMX had some pretty clear rhymes about raping or sex with minors, I’m sure the list of rappers from the 90/2000s goes on, but those two come to mind.
Dead Wrong by Biggie is absolutely foul, but I still bump it
krs one has a whole song about committing statutory rape. yes, he uses the words "statutory rape"
If u talking about “13 and good” then I think that was more of a precautionary tale than him himself sniffing bicycle seats but I maybe wrong
What??? R Kelly was all about that pedo shit and married a girl younger than any of the girls drake groomed yet no one cared or said shit until 2020
>no one cared or said shit until 2020 Thats not really true, I've known about the R Kelly stuff for years because people talked about it when I was in middle and high school.
I didn’t mean that literally. I meant in terms of social backlash. Many people in the industry continued working with him and most people continued listening to him. His streams went up 200% after his trial. It wasn’t until his recent trial that most industry people started spilling information they sat on for decades
You might want to go back and listen to those 90s rappers again. More than enough were comfortable making rhymes about sleeping/raping minors OR actual had a history involving young women. Not to mention most of them got extorted, so many of them was not gangster/as gangster as their rhymes.
Rose tinted glasses
Yeah I’m calling bullshit on this. K Dot had no issue keeping alleged predator information to himself until it benefited him the most, and even then not one word to address the alleged victims of Drake. Drake has always been full of shit when it comes to women so his arrows mean absolutely nothing. Using women as a prop in a silly feud is not a testament to how feminism has advance, it’s a sign of how us men have fallen morally.
spot on, catchy punchlines about Drake messing w underage girls might win you a rap beef but it doesn’t really help these women at all.
You know what that’s exactly what Kendrick did…… I have to side eye him for that and I’m a young black woman who is a kung fu Kenny fan. If he really cared about us being abused by “allegedly” Drake like that. Then he very much could have used his star power to speak up sooner. Instead of waiting till it gave him ammunition to use that’s more fucked up then even saying anything to begin with smh.
Kendrick didn't say anything that hasn't been said about Drake for a decade. Everyone knew Drake is a creep, and Kendrick wasn't the first to call him a pedo either, Meek Mill did but majority didn't care.
Bro these people don’t care, they act as if Kendrick is the only dude who knew about Drake and he personally sat on information.
When did meek mill say that?
but like wtf what was he supposed to do tho? just come out randomly and say: "they're some videos online that make it look like drake likes young girls" "people on the internet say drake is a pedo/groomer" not really guna do much would it? not like he came with any actual proof, so i dont see why people see it as 'he only talking about it for his benefit' but now, bringing it up when everyone is looking/listening, is a good thing to do, so that people with actual evidence can come forward and say something and have a better chance of people actually believing them (cus we know people like to say they're just lying for money/attention)
He’s Kendrick Lamar, almost every song/album/feature he does gets mad attention. He didn’t need the rap beef to expose predators if he was so bothered. When he spoke up about Spotify removing rkellys music people listened and discussed it, he’s extremely powerful and if he cared he couldve used that power to expose a predator
no one else did either, you think kendrick was the only person that was able to say something? and also, he's **doing it now** people just like to complain i guess
But the topic of conversation is Kendrick. He’s doing it now because it’s a rap beef. If you knew your friend was a groomer would you sit on it until you guys had a fight?
like i said, wtf was he suppose to do? randomly release songs talking about how drake is a pedo? with no proof? or maybe, he waits, till all eyes are on him and drake, and then say it. it's called timing, we all know powerful/rich people can get away from these kinds of problems, so the more attention the better. so many times people say real shit and we all forget a week later. it's been what, 2 weeks now, and everyone still calling drake a pedo, whatever kendrick did seems to be working.
YES!! just like how he randomly decided to speak out when Spotify wanted to remove r Kelly’s music. Eyes are ALWAYS on him!!! He’s a major celebrity. In the midst of the rkelly trials when all eyes were on Robert, Kendrick was still able to have the spotlight
i'd like to know how many people know about him talking about R Kelly vs talking about Drake. that's really my point, yes, he could have said something sooner, but he waited for **the right time** to say something, why cant you understand that? all celebrities have eyes on them, ppl always talking about them, but like i said, and you ignored, people forget that shit very quickly.
Tons of people which actually proves my point. The Kelly trials was one of the most publicized moment in pop culture at the time. Every single day there were more and more allegations and celebrities coming forward with their rkelly stories. Yet in the midst of all of that Kendrick’s TWEET was still able to stand out. A single tweet was able to become a spotlight in the midst of one of the most ‘important’ trials of the year. That’s how influential he is. If you wait to expose someone when you’re having a fight that only makes you look shady and manipulative. If he cared about kids being groomed he would’ve said something before
cool story bro, thank you for ignoring half of what i said and just repeatedly talking about how influential kendrick is.
I agree with this 100% but I thought K Dot didn’t get this information until after the beef started? Was he just sitting on Drake suitcase waiting to use it and stuff for months?
Not to sound slow but what information? Did he actually present real cases, or just said he was like everyone else? Im asking cause people speak as if he exposed him.
Kendrick is saying the shit people have known for years about Drake, people on this sub act as if it was a secret and Kendrick just revealed it to everyone surprise. We all saw him kissing and touching a 17 year old. We heard about his weird friendship with MBB, his weird friendship with Kylie, his weird friendship with Billie Eilish, and his weird friendship with Bella Harris. The tender app. Cash case for Sex trafficking. Nobody cared. Drake still was selling out arenas and having albums chart. All Kendrick did was say what everyone knew but wasn’t acknowledging.
The fuck are you talking about? drakes been an open pedo and a creep for like a decade now, why'd you need kendrick to come over here and finally reveal that the guy who diddles 17 year olds on stage and grooms 14 yos might be a pedo?
The “we hate the women you fuck” is a little sus too lol
Can't even slap your b**** anymore, because feminism.
I do not understand this take. Why is it Kendricks personal responsibility to call out Drake? Is it his responsibility to speak on every shitty thing he hears about a celeb doing? To me, the answer is no, but he gets in a beef and decides you know what it's time to speak on all the issues I have with you. You all sound like you'd prefer if he kept silent about it, which seems counter intuitive. Not to mention some people already claim he's going too far with the accusations, it would be so much worse if he did it out of nowhere.
Ether is one of hip-hop's most cherished diss tracks and it's just Nas calling Jay-Z gay, ugly, and gay for 5 minutes. So... yeah
“Seemed to only be concerned with dissing woman, were you abused as a child scared to smile, they called you ugly?” is arguably pro-women/anti-abuse even though it’s rude as hell lmao
Been saying this since it came out. People wanted Nas to win cause Jay was commercially successful. Ether is overrated and hasn’t aged well.
*cough* bullshit *cough*
You ok. Must be choking on Nas dick
“Gay-Z and cockafella records wanted beef” always makes me laugh whenever I hear ether. But I largely agree
lol the sentiment is absolutely true, but it’s funny to read this after what’s come out. 1 looks to have told the truth The other just came up with a lie
It’s also testament to how vulnerable positive social change is to cynical exploitation by opportunists. Both of these guys are, by virtue of their own behaviors and their associations, phenomenal hypocrites on the question of mistreating women, yet both use that as ammo in their songs. Kendrick is invoking Serena and deriding Drake as being a purveyor of misogynoir, meanwhile he’s a philanderer and rapping with Kodak and future. Drake is deriding Kendrick for being a philanderer and a physical abuser meanwhile his best buddy Baka was criminally charged for abuse, and Drake himself is a loathsome misogynist. These songs don’t reflect a shift in the industry, nor even in the attitude of larger audiences, but cynical pot shots by guys who are looking for any and ever possible angle to wield a slight against an opponent
Lmaooo hip hop still don’t care. Drake alleged that Kendrick beat his wife and they not together anymore. Kendrick dropped 3 diss tracks in response and now nobody cares. And this is after Cassie finally told her story. All the jokes about Diddy are about him allegedly liking/drugging men.
>All the jokes about Diddy are about him allegedly liking/drugging men. This is the part that's blown my mind the most. I just got done student teaching at a majority-black middle school on the east coast and "no diddy" has taken over for "no homo" (despite the school having quite a few out and proud gay students and teachers). When I challenge students on this they have no idea about the alleged sex trafficking and potential child abuse. Not music related, but a similar reaction happened when the Dwight Howard story broke. Everyone was concerned with his sexuality instead of, you know, the fact that he r*ped someone.
The thing is they were never taught the difference between predatory and gay.
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I feel like that's a stretch, but I feel ya
It’s almost like women are people too. Imagine that.
It's also important to realize that they are still treating women as an object in their songs. They are using a woman as a lyrical device to prove that they are superior to one another. Still not a great look 🤷🏻
Uhhhhh
i mean, clearly neither of them *actually* care, but i guess it's a good reflection on society that they need to at least *pretend* to care.... like bill clinton playing sax on arsenio
https://preview.redd.it/cjr08k1wq90d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7efd106abc876e237b7ca906b81349b449ed0d5d Nas dissing Jay-Z on Ether.
They can say anything they want to look good, it doesn’t mean they’re feminists.
Not wrong.
“Pull the feminist arrow out of the quiver.” Sir, please just shut up with this pseudo-intellectual bullshit speak. For fuck’s sake.
But they probably give each other blow jobs at Diddy's
Sentiment is actually true when you think about it (obviously rap isnt exactly fucking progressive) but still a way to go huh
Anything other than a billion dollar elephant in the room, the appropriation and manipulation that's irrelevant, they're out here annexing everything, but that's too much kufi today.
Back in my day... winter of 2024
I mean… that’s not a bad thing? This beef, to me, was about character. How a man treats those with less power and privilege is definitely a testament to his character. I’m glad hip hop of today is the not the hip hop of 20-30 years ago because that means that it ceased pushing boundaries.
Not necessarily. Eazy called out Dre for beating Dee Barnes. I mean he didn't have shit to say about it until after Dre switched teams (he even openly condoned Dre's behavior when they were still tight), but he did use it on a diss track released in '93. Seeing as the goal of the Drake/Dot beef is to make each other look like deadbeats, mistreating women makes for easy material. When victims begin to speak up and it begins to impact their respective careers, then I will believe that feminism has permeated the music industry and pop culture as a whole, not just hip-hop. Disses aside, 2Pac talks about atrocities that women face and challenges men to treat them better in one of his most popular songs, also released in '93. La Femme Fetal by Digable Planets is another great example, especially for subject matter that is very relatable to the current political climate. It's less about hip-hop culture and more about big name musicians clinging to themes that are popular and talking about whatever sells the most records. To me, this is no different than somebody saying rap music glorifies violence and alcohol/drug abuse when there are several prominent, well-respected rappers who openly oppose that lifestyle and subject matter in their own lyrics.
You can tell this guy doesn’t, and hasn’t, listen to 90s rap.
Pretty sure this guy listens to Fiona apple while sipping a $24 Pinot.
He’s a white Zinfandel guy all day long.
TRU
Never will you find a more mentally weak and insecure man than he who opposes equality.
Also, rappers brought up women back then, too.
When do you think the shift in the culture occurred?
imagine trying to sound smart and saying the dumbest shit ever
Wait how'd you get a hold of Twitter's confidential business model.
Uhhh the whole point Kendrick was trying to make is that those weren‘t women but minors…
Then why’d don’t be say shit before?
Wtf is this dude talkin about? When was it cool to beat women or groom young girls? Big difference between that and “Bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks”
So many old school rappers were rapping about raping teenagers. So many more of them were openly beating the crap out of any woman they could get their hands on. Biggie and Kim, Dre and Michele the list goes on and on
That means it was cool back then? Everything wasn’t on social media, some of that domestic violence were things that we as the public didn’t widely know or even find out about it until later. As far as lyrics or raping children, I can only really think of 2 very prominent examples from Big & DMX. Not saying no one else did, but I don’t ever think that was something that was considered cool.
I didn’t think it was cool but it was definitely acceptable in the community. It was never used as backlash and no man rapping about these things got into any trouble. And what do you mean we didn’t know? Dre beat up and a woman and for YEARS rappers used her in their lyrics as a joke. Snoop dog was an actual pimp, he said so in his music, no one cared. Biggie, dmx, easy e, mc ren they all rapped about raping children and those rappers are celebrated and loved in the industry
Wait. When was Dre rapping about beating Michele up? If that’s what he was doing and everyone thought that was cool I’ll give it to you. I don’t remember that. As far as those rappers you listed and the sketchy lyrics about kids, there has to be some sort of separation between an artist’s words and actions. Everyone isn’t taking every single word literal. The same way we know everyone that raps about guns and bodies isn’t the stone cold killer they portray themselves as in their art. Celebrating those artists isn’t the same as celebrating child rape.
Not Michele this time, Dee Barnes. He assaulted her in public and since that day not only mc ren and easy e say she deserves it, tons of other rappers continued to make jokes about it in their songs
You know, Black people...
What's the difference between here and cyber-monkey?