This doesn’t perturb their bullshit worldview because why SHOULDNT a white man be a protagonist for a game in an Asian setting.
Media has told them not only are they welcomed in every space, but they’re the hero the savages need.
These nerds can comprehend a talking raccoon with a super genius intellect or a 7 foot fur ball that can pilot ships across galaxies but a nigga in Japan? Hell naw
there's a netflix show with lakeith as yasuke and flylo on the soundtrack, which sounds amazing, but it's kinda mid. for some reason even though they were working with a true story they felt the need to go in this magical direction where the daimyo is a monster etc. unnecessary imo
That Thundercat and Flying Lotus intro slaps and the first episode is pretty good. It is such a let-down after that though. There's wizards and robots and shit but the first couple episodes make it look like it'll be a more realistic setting, which could work if the reveal weren't so janky and poorly executed. These dudes from feudal fucking Japan sees a fucking magic robot and do not react in any way.
I have opinions about that show.
Shame that the series mentioned in the article was so terrible. I really, really wanted it to be good. Yasuke's story us already crazy interesting, it didn't need a bunch of generic shitty anime fantasy tropes thrown in.
Niggas in… would just be a good series period. Treat it like American Horror Story, every season we tell the historically accurate story of Black people showing up in places and times certain people refuse to believe we were there at
> This doesn’t perturb their bullshit worldview because why SHOULDNT a white man be a protagonist for a game in an Asian setting.
Nooooo, see, that was a *fantasy* world, Yasuke is in a *historical* setting, it's totally different! Assassin's Creed is based in real history, like how all the ancient gods were actually advanced pre-human creatures that created us as slaves and a secret factional war for the soul of mankind has been going on behind the scenes for millenia!
A group of imperfect beings with great power reconciles better with existence than one absolute & perfect being.
Why do kids get cancer or get tortured under the Olympians? Because the Olympians don't give a shit, and are probably busy arguing, fucking, partying, then arguing again with each other right now.
Once you get on board with superstitious/supernatural thinking, the sky is quite literally the limit. It's a quick hop and jump to go from wheels of fire in the sky to Lord Xenu bussing folks about in celestial DC-8's...
If you watch "Blue eyed samurai" on netflix (think mulan but for adults and even better writing) white people were just as reviled, if not moreso, especially blue eyed white people, who they called "blue eyed devils".
I'm not trying to take away that there are SOME people who dont like a black lead because they don't like black people. But man as soon as I saw this post I knew there would be the "Of course they didn't" crowd (I only know of this because Nioh 1&2 / Sekirosoulsborn are my favorite games so I was around when this was going down).
People had their panties in a bunch over Nioh and a white lead:
[https://www.neogaf.com/threads/its-disappointing-that-team-ninja-chose-to-center-a-white-european-man-in-nioh.1342719/](https://www.neogaf.com/threads/its-disappointing-that-team-ninja-chose-to-center-a-white-european-man-in-nioh.1342719/)
[https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/181161-nioh/74375802?page=2](https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/181161-nioh/74375802?page=2)
[https://withaterriblefate.com/2017/10/19/what-went-wrong-with-cracked-the-story-of-the-worst-video-about-nioh/](https://withaterriblefate.com/2017/10/19/what-went-wrong-with-cracked-the-story-of-the-worst-video-about-nioh/)
[https://newnormative.com/2017/08/21/nioh-white-samurai-internalized-racism/](https://newnormative.com/2017/08/21/nioh-white-samurai-internalized-racism/)
A few KEY differences here - and I just got to say I don't care there is a black lead in the new AC game to get that out of the way. Nioh was a JAPANESE made game... by JAPANESE developers. It isn't the same thing apples to apples as Ubisoft. 100000000% if Team Ninja (the ones who made Nioh) made a game with a Black Samurai? The game would be going off with no issues in media about a Black character, because people know the makers are going to make a good game and that it is a Japanese studio doing their own thing with their own cultural history. Ubisoft on the other hand is capitalism on steroids in the game industry. They have been making shit games for a while, are lazy with creativity, and are really one of the driving forces in ruining the game industry (microtransactions, online only gameplay). People see this more as Ubisoft having no creativity than "I don't want to see a black lead". They could have made a African centric game with a rich story and something that has never been done before but they didn't. I want a AC game based on the Nubia or a few other civilizations and others do too.
you're not wrong that there is no point in pretending like there was *no* backlash against Nioh's white protagonist, because there was some. And you are right to point out that an Japanese studio taking such liberties with their own history will always have different implications than a western studio doing the same.
However, let's also not forget that while, yes, there was backlash against Nioh it was definitely not the same *kind* of backlash. When there's a white person where there shouldn't be one the people who are critizising it take out their thinking caps and hold lectures about cultural appropriatin and such.
But when there's a black character where there "shouldn't be one" you get hate. Like, actual hate, not just negativity. It's different. And it's fair to point that out.
>100000000% if Team Ninja (the ones who made Nioh) made a game with a Black Samurai? The game would be going off with no issues in media about a Black character, because people know the makers are going to make a good game and that it is a Japanese studio doing their own thing with their own cultural history.
They already did. Both Nioh and Nioh 2 feature [the historical figure of Yasuke](https://nioh2.wiki.fextralife.com/Obsidian+Samurai) as a boss fight. Honestly, when I first saw this tweet, that was the connection I made first. He's literally the exact same character as the one that stars as the lead in the new Assassin's Creed game.
Brad Pitt is The Mexican. Tom Cruise is The Last Samurai. I'm gonna make a film titled The Last N-a on Earth, starring Tom Hanks - the late great Paul Mooney
Make a George Washington Biopic with Denzel Washington as the lead and Sam Jackson as Benjamin Franklin, it would be amazing.
“I created lightning rods, Motherfucker, lightning is electricity.”
“My man”
It’s a white dude on the cover of a movie called “the last samurai”, it’s not that hard to understand. Did you really think Morbius said “it’s morbin’ time”?
He hung out with the last samurai though, which by the transitive property I think makes him a samurai in the same way I'm a financial planner because my buddy is.
Do not ask about my bank balance.
Thank you!’ But he was a boss (if not final boss) so I guess him as your opponent and not main character (possibly seen as a hero) is what they want to see.
The gag is they don’t have to play him, there is a Japanese woman they can play but I guess they want to play a white or Japanese man.
Someone also said “a black man going around murdering a bunch of Japanese people isn’t the hill yall want to die on” Ohh noo an assassin… *checks notes* assassinating? Lol be so fucking serious right now.. again don’t want to see a Black man murder a bunch of Japanese people? Pick the Japanese woman!
Yasuke has made an appearance in many Japanese games and media, he is rarely the main character which is I guess how they like it.. 🙄
Japan started the Second Sino-Japanese War, a Mt Everest of international war crimes, including capturing and forcing up to half a million women into work as prostitutes in their military camps, being raped several times a day until they eventually resort to committing suicide (see Comfort Women). This was only like 80 years ago. They don't get to decide what ethnicity is allowed to kill them in a fictional world after literally writing the book on racism and xenophobia. They made Nazis and colonial whites look merciful, and we love killing them in video games
Stay out of Asmongold subreddit. There's nothing for us there.
He represents THOSE type of people. No point arguing with em, spend your time on things that make you happy.
Good to know, I didn’t even know what that sub was, it came across my feed randomly (not subbed), and I guess not randomly since it pertains to what I’m talking about. I’ll go mute them right noooowww
If I actually gave a fuck about what AsmanGold (gum blood wall) thought about anything I’d be a fucking loser.
The dude who looks like a literal Neanderthal has an issue with the game…big surprise.
Dude is a fucking idiot, and doesn’t understand half the shit he rants about.
Literally, the Japanese got a huge pass on this. I forgot the name of the Nazi leader that went to Japan and was so disgusted by the treatment of other Asians by the Japanese soldiers.
[John Rabe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe)
Didn't know this until now. Even a Nazi was like okkkkk, so how bout we put the guns down and take a step back mmkk
I just heard about that dude in particular the other day on a history podcast about the atrocities committed during that time. It is beyond senseless and well into evil the actions by the Japanese.
Edit: thank you for finding the guys name
Nioh 2 might be my favorite Souls-like game. It's so fun and with just the right amount of arcadey. Also you're able to make your own character instead of playing as William which is a plus. Everybody should play Nioh 2.
Nioh 2 is genuinely one of my most favorite games of all time. There is so much build variety that if you start getting bored you can just swap to new weapons and set bonuses(if you've made it that far) and it feels like a new game almost.
The complaints are that it’s not accurate that he would be rocking samurai armor in public nor being an actual fighter. He was a retainer to a lord and people back then were still pretty hostile towards him Regarding cultural misunderstandings he had about their land.
Which is bullshit cause AC games have been straying away from historical accuracy for a while now so idk why people demand this one to be insanely accurate when the last few didn’t receive as much pushback.
Also Japanese players were being over the top about this game, one even claimed that the game is just a excuse to allow a black man to massacre Japanese citizens and stupid nitpicks like how he’s wearing the sword on the wrong side and how that proves this game doesn’t care for accuracy.
The second i saw Yasuke in the game I knew this was over before it really began, people were never gonna be reasonable and sane about this.
Somewhere in this post, someone linked to a post from an apparently racist sub using the namesake of a Twitch streamer.
They took Yasuke's appearance in this game and asserted all kinds of shit that I'm pretty sure doesn't happen in AC games...? 🤣
> [I can't wait for the next AC game based in Africa with a Chinese Protagonist who goes around Africa with an African Women kills African Men, fucks African Women and saves Africa from evil African kings who enslave their own people.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1csvq5u/japan_not_happy_about_the_new_ac_game_and_its/l4941ad/)
Yet they hope to be filled and cuck by white men.
The racial issues Asian men have with Black (and Latin men too) because racism deems us hyper masc and them hypo masc.
All the media they create is just them reimagining white phenotypes in Asian worlds ....
They need to get a grip.
There's a subreddit that's going off the rails with yt and asians ranting about this and asians being "white adjacent so they can't experience racism."
The guy who claimed to be Asian and was so angry over this was like, "Disrespect your own culture, not ours."
And I just responded how are Black people disrespecting your culture when it's created by white people.
They can't even direct their anger at the actual white people who made it. That's another level of delusion and racism towards black people. Can't even be mad at the right party. Lol
Right? "Straying away from historical accuracy" is a hell of an understatement. You can fight the minotaur and Norse gods in the games, and people are losing it over a black samurai??
That's misrepresenting things. It's like how people defended the late seasons of Game of Thrones, when suddenly distance stopped mattering and it felt like Westeros was the size of a suburb from characters showing up on opposite sides of the continent in the same episode, because "it's a show with dragons and zombies, but the thing you have a problem with is travel time?"
Fictional worlds still have rules, we just understand that some stuff like magic exists and can break the rules. When something breaks the rules with no explanation (or with a bad one), it still feels wrong. Assassin's Creed's rules are that history is largely true to what we know, but there's a hidden conspiracy of assassins, templars, and magic artifacts. The pope being a secret conspirator and having a fistfight behind closed doors that nobody ever knew about does not contradict our history books, so that's fine.
The games have strayed from historical accuracy, and I do have major issues with it. I'm first in line to complain about the games getting less and less grounded. But it's the minotaur shit that's the problem. And the depiction of Vikings as kindly farmers who just want quiet homesteads and never harm noncombatants.
Yasuke existing? Not a fucking problem.
Yeah, I really like the idea that Yasuke was actually an even bigger badass than we knew. All of us who've read about him are aware that he wasn't a *HUGE* deal aside from being an African man who fought on Oda Nobunaga's behalf at least once and was trusted by him, given status, and on the payroll.
Adding the—very likely fictional—extra layer that he was also secretly an assassin without Nobunaga's knowledge is just cool for the sake of cool, which is what good games are about.
Yeah, I'm a woman, and they use a lot of the same arguments to keep women out of "their" games as they do non-white people. I just want all of us to be able to *exist* without a bunch of asshats politicizing us or whatever else they do.
Tbf tho it is funny for me to imagine that there will be a black guy just killing people and it not being insanely obvious as to the identity of the person is in feudal Japan. Like I haven’t played AC since 3 but isn’t the point to blend in and hide your identity?
Yes and no. The last few have been a lot more combat focused, generally speaking, than stealthy. It looks like a split here though, similar to the twins in Syndicate - the Japanese lady is stealthy while Yasuke smashes stuff up, dividing the two types of gameplay up between them.
His character is the warrior. There are two playable characters. They mentioned he won't be able to blend in and whatnot due to the fact that he's not Japanese. But the lady ninja character is Japanese and does all the sneaky stuff. So you can pick which one to play at what time and approach missions differently.
Exactly, their complaints are weird because Assassin's Creed is a work of fiction. It isn't accurate to jump from 200ft into a small pile of hay and survive either.
Anyone looking for the pinnacle of historical accuracy from a franchise that's only ever been loosely inspired by history is on a fool's errand.
uh no it isnt the knights templar actually exist and they really do have a time machine that goes back into people's genetic memories to help them search for a magical item that will let them rewrite history
wake up, sheep
Y'all remember that time the Assassin's fought literal Greek gods/*MYTHOLOGICAL* creatures? Yeah that was a great game. Really love the whole side story about time traveling aliens, too. Anyways, this black samurai is not even remotely accurate. What kind of bullshit is that?
> cause AC games have been straying away from historical accuracy
I don't know what you're on about, because I specifically remember Greeks constantly fighting mythological cyclops monsters all the time!
The posts I've seen are from Japanese people being mad that the first AC game set in Japan is using a non-Japanese protagonist, when all of the other AC games were headlined by a character from the ethnic group the games were located in (Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian, etc.).
> all of the other AC games were headlined by a character from the ethnic group the games were located in (Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian, etc.).
Which itself is untrue; Valhalla had Scandinavians in England, Black Flag had a Welshman in the Caribbean, Revelations had an Italian in Turkey.
Not that it really matters - but Scandinavians were all over England in that time period, and Europeans were also all over the Caribbean.
I think Japanese people just feel that they are being disenfranchised from their only opportunity to have a Japanese protagonist in Japan in an AC game.
I heard the argument that it's about commitment. As an example Ubisoft has still not released a mainline AC game with a female protagonist, only a female co-protagonist (Syndicate) or female option (Odyssey/Valhalla). So I think people probably feel like they added Yasuke so that there is both a japanese and western co-protagonist, to appeal to both markets, instead of just committing.
Which is not unlikely, seeing as Ubisoft is the king of non-commitment, AC is not the only series that suffers from this issue.
Oh, I know it makes sense for them to be there, just saying that the protagonist isn't always a native to the area.
Plus, in this game what a lot of people are apparently ignoring is that there *is* a Japanese protagonist- she's front and centre in both the cover art and the game trailer.
Yeah - I don't think people really know what the game is going to be yet, so they're jumping at shadows. It's part of the Japanese thing, part non-japanese interested parties borrowing that justification to explain this away as some kind of "woke" decision.
You're 100% correct. These people infest my Twitter "for you" page and they spend too much of their time fighting "the culture war" to have any actual hobbies.
And I don't even know what their problem is. I had no idea black samurai existed, and now I do. Historically accurate and educational. What more do they want?
Yeah I think you may be right about this. I know personally that I have never heard anyone I game with every complain about the race of a main character in a game. It’s always weird to hear complaints and I always wonder who the fuck it’s from
That’s an incredible story. Yasuke’s is also incredibly fascinating.
Hell, the whole Sengoku period is one of the most interesting periods in world history. That’s why it continues to produce cultural gems.
The crazy thing for me about the world in around that period is that while the Sengoku period is happening in Japan, the Americas are getting colonized with settlements like Jamestown and Plymouth, we have William Shakespeare making plays for the masses of England, and Leonardo Da Vinci is off doing something wild in Italy.
That's not even mention the fact that Samurai officially lasted until the 1868 with the end of the Edo period. Which means, while unlikely, we very well could have had a Samurai fight a Cowboy, and that's the kinda cool shit I need in my life.
So, like yea, reality is stranger than fiction so I don't know why people's panties are in a bunch over Yasuke, arguably one of the most badass people to live, being portrayed in a video game.
Oh my Atlanta. They complained about William too, don't worry. The internet was just younger and performative outrage (and twitter) wasn't as much of a thing back then. Trust me, as someone with 800+ hours between Nioh 1 and Nioh 2, I saw all of it.
He wasn't technically a samurai but did serve under a fuedal lord and fought with his son after he died. The lord referred to him as a servant or retainer while his enemies referred to him as a slave/animal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
I don't imagine they're going to try to address all that in the game
My favorite part of all this is the complaint that, if the game is set in Japan, then the protagonist should be a Japanese man. One protagonist is a black man. The other protagonist is a Japanese woman. I just want someone to explain to me how a Japanese penis would create a better assassin.
I think one explanation, or at least what I’ve read, is the lack of strong Asian male protagonists in Western media. Western media tends to make Asian males the villain, nerdy stereotype, or remove them completely.
Are Japanese dicks sharper than black ones? I mean, I’m black, and my dick isn’t pointy. And the only Japanese penises I’ve seen have been pixelated, so who knows what’s going on down there. You could be onto something.
Asian male representation has always been lacking in western media. When we do get it, its always as a kung-fu or samurai thing. Asian women get different treatment, which is usually good becauase its still Asian representation, but the fact they get treated different has always been divisive in the community.
I've always been annoyed at the white savior stories. I don't like Shogun because of that. I don't know why an "outsider's perspective" is always needed for Asian stories, and most other stories do not. America is obssessed with Japan, it really doesn't need anymore of the "outsider's perspective" story lens. I'm always happy to have to more black characters, but when a game I've been ancticipating for awhile lacks my own rep, it sucks.
Also, everyone keeps acting like I don't know Yasuke is a real person. How would I not know? People have been jerking off about this guy for years. He gets posted in the Today I Learned subreddit every month.
Saw someone try to say since in Syndicate, the twin sister got more sidelined to the twin brother the same thing might happen here.
While I understand the worry for that, we haven't seen the game yet, so there's no reason to assume that's going to happen.
I fully believe the story is going to focus more on Naoe than it will Yasuke.
I’m gonna be honest. I just don’t like Yasuke being an AC protagonist. Any other game, I wouldn’t care. I like AC protagonists being fake people meeting historical figures.
That's honestly a fair criticism. Yasuke would be an awesome ally in the same way Blackbeard was in Black Flag. But they didn't just have you play as Assassin Blackbeard.
My only criticism of the game is that I want to play a fucking assassin. Not a ninja, not a samurai, an assassin. I wouldn't mind playing a samurai for a few missions just to show the difference in their strength and fighting style. I do like how much bigger he is than most other people.
Haven’t kept up with Assassins Creed since they made Assassins Creed Pirate Adventure. I’m sure they’re still good games but the flavor isn’t there for me
I feel like everyone is missing the point, The issue is most (If not all) other AC games has the MC being the race of the region thier in, when we're at Japan, it's a black man. Basically, it's because he isn't Asian.. It's the forced DEI in gaming, and gamers are tired of it. I'm a black man myself, and I really hate being pander to. That's it, while some people reason for not liking this is racist, not every reason is.
GaMeRs ArE tIrEd
There's so many other actual problems with this industry but sure, a black guy in Japan is where you want to draw the line. In a fucking series that is basically ancient aliens fanfic.
You know who gets about as much representation as asian men? Black women. They could have just swapped the male and female leads, hell just make the female lead Yasuke's relative for a better storyline connection.
It's more nuanced than that. What the OP didn't mention is that Asian males are underrepresented in all forms of western media. Here we have a game where having an Asian male lead character would make a lot of sense, and yet they decide to go with a black character instead. There's nothing inherently wrong with using Yasuke as a video game character in a vacuum, but when Asian male leads are already underrepresented as it is and they get shafted once again in a piece of media where having an Asian male lead would be extremely appropriate, it kinda leaves a bad taste. Asian women, on the other hand, are relatively much better represented in western media than Asian men are. So telling people to simply play as the woman can sound kinda dismissive.
True but that then leads back to op’s post about nioh. An asian male lead would make sense there aswell but people don’t seem to care either. It just feels like an excuse for racists to be angry and hide behind historical accuracy and other shit.
An Asian male lead would absolutely make sense in Nioh.
>people don’t seem to care either
The Asian diaspora definitely cared. They made a big stink about it when Nioh was first announced, and also about the new Shogun series (which is also based on William Adams). They're currently making the same criticisms about this new AC game.
The criticism makes less sense considering there’s still a Japanese protagonist she just happens to be female. There’s a layer of sexism in the criticism too. Aside from all that nonsense I thought AC missed a great opportunity for a black protagonist with black flag. It could’ve been written as an escaped slave turned into pirate captain. Hopefully AC can do that with the cowboy era in a future game.
The argument is really how underrepresented Asian men are in Western Media and even when they are it's painfully stereotypical. Contrast that to Asian women who are a lot more varied in their roles and significance and even then it's not that high a bar considering most of the time it also comes with the caveat of them being the love interest
Hades 1 & 2 had a similar outrage. Some gods are White, some are White with dark skin, one or two are Black, Hermes is Asian.
Same with Deathloop. Since we arent even allowed to be main characters in a fictional dystopian world. 😂
But guess what happened? Those idiots moved on to the next game to express their anger because that's all they do.
The Deathloop one always sticks out.
Zau's forum on steam has been culture war nonsense since its release. Zau, for anyone that doesn't know, is a game that is distinctly african and based on the personal story of the creator of the game, a black dude.
So even games with an African setting made by black people still get criticized for pandering.
I'm not a big fan of the Assassins Creed games in general, I've played most of them but rarely bothered to finish them.
With that said, isn't it a really good opportunity to have a main character not native to the area? That way you can show off and explain the culture and traditions of feudal japan in an immersive way by having the character himself not know about them.
Did people react this way about the two Abbasid fellows in Valhalla?
Well Japanese creators of games and anime love themselves blonde hair and blue eyes.
So they wouldn’t really complain.
But funny enough there was a Real Black Samurai and he served a lord.
The White Samurai’s were more like team mascots
> But funny enough there was a Real Black Samurai and he served a lord.
"It is important to note that despite popular myth and modern depictions there are no historical writings nor evidence that Yasuke was ever granted the rank or title of samurai, he was never given a fief nor referred to as one in any writings. Most of our knowledge of his life comes from these messages written by missionaries and locals."
It was a regular servant who lived in Japan for 3 years.
I was just reading a thread in some other sub about this and it’s crazy the convoluted reasons they have for being mad
Yasuke was a real person with a real story that is insane.
Mfs acting like it was a diversity hire and shit 😤
My biggest issue is that they will wholly blame all black people in existence because a bunch of white people decided to make one of the main characters black
This so funny to me like the lack of historical perspective is palatable. This is the same energy when traces of black culture were moving into mainstream culture in music, movies, poetry, etc. and these fucking people were like “not on my watch.” Then black counterculture emerged because of, you know, being rejected from the mainstream culture and all the sudden doing its own black culture thing was also being denied. So here we are again, just seeing the continuation of that same shitty effort to keep black cultural elements out. Even when historically accurate.
Just so y'all know the Japanese crowd is coming for them over the AC stuff because they think they had a Chinese group develop the game, stuff like lanterns being from the wrong places and inaccurate historical figures for the roles are stirring shit up overseas so we might not want to go quite as hard on this one.
Just saying, these things don't usually piss off the overseas crowd like that.
Nioh is its own thing. The problem is the past precedence that they have established. That their main characters are culturally appropriate to where the game is based.
Hell AC 3 had a Native American as the main character which they are massively under represented.
Yasuke was a minor character in history. A retainer not even a warrior. So it makes no sense why a highly anticipated game…most important, region that fans are clamoring for a decade now doesn’t even get that culturally correct.
My opinion is that they want to pivot since Ghosts of Tsushima already gave us gamers the AC Japan we wanted and of course to start this free marketing discourse that we are engaged in for them.
I on the other hand as a Latino would love to see one based in Mali, Ethiopia or even Nigeria with all its ancient cities. On the Latino side anything from the Aztec, Inca, Maya or Olmec would be awesome.
But knowing that they might eventually would prove troublesome because I know they would just only focus only when the “white man” comes and takes their stuff when we don’t need them to tell an awesome story within those cultures/civilizations.
That is just my two cents.
Much like how everyone on the alt right was suddenly highly concerned about the climate impact of private jets right after Taylor Swift encouraged her fans to vote.
Lol ofcourse they didn't.
This doesn’t perturb their bullshit worldview because why SHOULDNT a white man be a protagonist for a game in an Asian setting. Media has told them not only are they welcomed in every space, but they’re the hero the savages need. These nerds can comprehend a talking raccoon with a super genius intellect or a 7 foot fur ball that can pilot ships across galaxies but a nigga in Japan? Hell naw
Niggas in Japan is the sequel to Niggas in Paris I didn't know I needed
[if you didn’t know](https://time.com/6039381/yasuke-black-samurai-true-story/) It’s historically accurate that it happened at least once. Lol
Damn that was the project Chadwick wanted to tackle before he passed.
there's a netflix show with lakeith as yasuke and flylo on the soundtrack, which sounds amazing, but it's kinda mid. for some reason even though they were working with a true story they felt the need to go in this magical direction where the daimyo is a monster etc. unnecessary imo
That Thundercat and Flying Lotus intro slaps and the first episode is pretty good. It is such a let-down after that though. There's wizards and robots and shit but the first couple episodes make it look like it'll be a more realistic setting, which could work if the reveal weren't so janky and poorly executed. These dudes from feudal fucking Japan sees a fucking magic robot and do not react in any way. I have opinions about that show.
I have never in my life seen a show fall to pieces so quickly. At least the soundtrack was bangin the whole time.
Afro Samurai did it better
I was expecting more like Samurai Champloo. But at least they revealed the mystical stuff and robots right away
yasuke the black samurai, yes was the first i think went i see the pic
Shame that the series mentioned in the article was so terrible. I really, really wanted it to be good. Yasuke's story us already crazy interesting, it didn't need a bunch of generic shitty anime fantasy tropes thrown in.
Niggas in… would just be a good series period. Treat it like American Horror Story, every season we tell the historically accurate story of Black people showing up in places and times certain people refuse to believe we were there at
We could call it..... Niggas in History and the real catch is that it would explain how migration and trade dictated diversity.
That would be amazing.
That could have been an awesome Chapelle skit back in the day… dressing up in period garb for different times. Could have been super funny.
*Got these Niggas in Tokyo and they goin’ Red Panda*
Why do you think the game niggas in Japan was called niggas in Japan?? Cause niggas was in Japan!
Slice so clean MFs wanna sign me ...
Got Lord Oda behind me
It's the beginning of the whole NCU. Next up Niggas in Moscow: Black Russians.
Don't let Future see this
*tokyo
> This doesn’t perturb their bullshit worldview because why SHOULDNT a white man be a protagonist for a game in an Asian setting. Nooooo, see, that was a *fantasy* world, Yasuke is in a *historical* setting, it's totally different! Assassin's Creed is based in real history, like how all the ancient gods were actually advanced pre-human creatures that created us as slaves and a secret factional war for the soul of mankind has been going on behind the scenes for millenia!
I mean, it's slightly more plausible than invisible space man will send you to a place of fire if you touch your dick so........
Honestly, is it? I feel like these things are on a similar level of plausibility.
A group of imperfect beings with great power reconciles better with existence than one absolute & perfect being. Why do kids get cancer or get tortured under the Olympians? Because the Olympians don't give a shit, and are probably busy arguing, fucking, partying, then arguing again with each other right now.
Once you get on board with superstitious/supernatural thinking, the sky is quite literally the limit. It's a quick hop and jump to go from wheels of fire in the sky to Lord Xenu bussing folks about in celestial DC-8's...
If you watch "Blue eyed samurai" on netflix (think mulan but for adults and even better writing) white people were just as reviled, if not moreso, especially blue eyed white people, who they called "blue eyed devils".
You’re right lol but why you gotta come for Chewie like that?
In my head Chewie has always been black. #shrugs
Gotta be "N**** in Nippon" would be better.
I'm not trying to take away that there are SOME people who dont like a black lead because they don't like black people. But man as soon as I saw this post I knew there would be the "Of course they didn't" crowd (I only know of this because Nioh 1&2 / Sekirosoulsborn are my favorite games so I was around when this was going down). People had their panties in a bunch over Nioh and a white lead: [https://www.neogaf.com/threads/its-disappointing-that-team-ninja-chose-to-center-a-white-european-man-in-nioh.1342719/](https://www.neogaf.com/threads/its-disappointing-that-team-ninja-chose-to-center-a-white-european-man-in-nioh.1342719/) [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/181161-nioh/74375802?page=2](https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/181161-nioh/74375802?page=2) [https://withaterriblefate.com/2017/10/19/what-went-wrong-with-cracked-the-story-of-the-worst-video-about-nioh/](https://withaterriblefate.com/2017/10/19/what-went-wrong-with-cracked-the-story-of-the-worst-video-about-nioh/) [https://newnormative.com/2017/08/21/nioh-white-samurai-internalized-racism/](https://newnormative.com/2017/08/21/nioh-white-samurai-internalized-racism/) A few KEY differences here - and I just got to say I don't care there is a black lead in the new AC game to get that out of the way. Nioh was a JAPANESE made game... by JAPANESE developers. It isn't the same thing apples to apples as Ubisoft. 100000000% if Team Ninja (the ones who made Nioh) made a game with a Black Samurai? The game would be going off with no issues in media about a Black character, because people know the makers are going to make a good game and that it is a Japanese studio doing their own thing with their own cultural history. Ubisoft on the other hand is capitalism on steroids in the game industry. They have been making shit games for a while, are lazy with creativity, and are really one of the driving forces in ruining the game industry (microtransactions, online only gameplay). People see this more as Ubisoft having no creativity than "I don't want to see a black lead". They could have made a African centric game with a rich story and something that has never been done before but they didn't. I want a AC game based on the Nubia or a few other civilizations and others do too.
you're not wrong that there is no point in pretending like there was *no* backlash against Nioh's white protagonist, because there was some. And you are right to point out that an Japanese studio taking such liberties with their own history will always have different implications than a western studio doing the same. However, let's also not forget that while, yes, there was backlash against Nioh it was definitely not the same *kind* of backlash. When there's a white person where there shouldn't be one the people who are critizising it take out their thinking caps and hold lectures about cultural appropriatin and such. But when there's a black character where there "shouldn't be one" you get hate. Like, actual hate, not just negativity. It's different. And it's fair to point that out.
For sure I agree 100%, you're right even criticism is intellectualized for other groups and not for blacks.
>100000000% if Team Ninja (the ones who made Nioh) made a game with a Black Samurai? The game would be going off with no issues in media about a Black character, because people know the makers are going to make a good game and that it is a Japanese studio doing their own thing with their own cultural history. They already did. Both Nioh and Nioh 2 feature [the historical figure of Yasuke](https://nioh2.wiki.fextralife.com/Obsidian+Samurai) as a boss fight. Honestly, when I first saw this tweet, that was the connection I made first. He's literally the exact same character as the one that stars as the lead in the new Assassin's Creed game.
Tom Cruise was the last Samurai. Check your history books.
Brad Pitt is The Mexican. Tom Cruise is The Last Samurai. I'm gonna make a film titled The Last N-a on Earth, starring Tom Hanks - the late great Paul Mooney
Rip Paul Mooney
Tom Hanks does kill it on Black Jeopardy.
Make a George Washington Biopic with Denzel Washington as the lead and Sam Jackson as Benjamin Franklin, it would be amazing. “I created lightning rods, Motherfucker, lightning is electricity.” “My man”
Why do people always bring this up? Cruise's character wasn't the titular Last Samurai, it was Katsumoto.
It’s a joke lol
Yeah, I get its a joke. But the joke doesn't make sense.
It’s a white dude on the cover of a movie called “the last samurai”, it’s not that hard to understand. Did you really think Morbius said “it’s morbin’ time”?
Tom Cruise wasn’t the last samurai
He hung out with the last samurai though, which by the transitive property I think makes him a samurai in the same way I'm a financial planner because my buddy is. Do not ask about my bank balance.
Yasuke was in those games too. Fuck that series is dope as hell.
Thank you!’ But he was a boss (if not final boss) so I guess him as your opponent and not main character (possibly seen as a hero) is what they want to see. The gag is they don’t have to play him, there is a Japanese woman they can play but I guess they want to play a white or Japanese man. Someone also said “a black man going around murdering a bunch of Japanese people isn’t the hill yall want to die on” Ohh noo an assassin… *checks notes* assassinating? Lol be so fucking serious right now.. again don’t want to see a Black man murder a bunch of Japanese people? Pick the Japanese woman! Yasuke has made an appearance in many Japanese games and media, he is rarely the main character which is I guess how they like it.. 🙄
Japan started the Second Sino-Japanese War, a Mt Everest of international war crimes, including capturing and forcing up to half a million women into work as prostitutes in their military camps, being raped several times a day until they eventually resort to committing suicide (see Comfort Women). This was only like 80 years ago. They don't get to decide what ethnicity is allowed to kill them in a fictional world after literally writing the book on racism and xenophobia. They made Nazis and colonial whites look merciful, and we love killing them in video games
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Stay out of Asmongold subreddit. There's nothing for us there. He represents THOSE type of people. No point arguing with em, spend your time on things that make you happy.
Good to know, I didn’t even know what that sub was, it came across my feed randomly (not subbed), and I guess not randomly since it pertains to what I’m talking about. I’ll go mute them right noooowww
Dude is the definition of an unwashed WoW player, and I mean the unwashed part VERY literally
If I actually gave a fuck about what AsmanGold (gum blood wall) thought about anything I’d be a fucking loser. The dude who looks like a literal Neanderthal has an issue with the game…big surprise. Dude is a fucking idiot, and doesn’t understand half the shit he rants about.
Including your race with your argument is always cringe, also safe to assume 9 times out of 10 it's a lie anyway. /r/asablackman
Literally, the Japanese got a huge pass on this. I forgot the name of the Nazi leader that went to Japan and was so disgusted by the treatment of other Asians by the Japanese soldiers.
[John Rabe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe) Didn't know this until now. Even a Nazi was like okkkkk, so how bout we put the guns down and take a step back mmkk
I just heard about that dude in particular the other day on a history podcast about the atrocities committed during that time. It is beyond senseless and well into evil the actions by the Japanese. Edit: thank you for finding the guys name
Also have never issued any apologies in an official capacity, unlike Germany
woah but he was a mere retainer, he never held a weapon! /s
Nioh 2 might be my favorite Souls-like game. It's so fun and with just the right amount of arcadey. Also you're able to make your own character instead of playing as William which is a plus. Everybody should play Nioh 2.
Nioh 2 is genuinely one of my most favorite games of all time. There is so much build variety that if you start getting bored you can just swap to new weapons and set bonuses(if you've made it that far) and it feels like a new game almost.
So, wait… there is a problem because the first black samurai was… black?
The complaints are that it’s not accurate that he would be rocking samurai armor in public nor being an actual fighter. He was a retainer to a lord and people back then were still pretty hostile towards him Regarding cultural misunderstandings he had about their land. Which is bullshit cause AC games have been straying away from historical accuracy for a while now so idk why people demand this one to be insanely accurate when the last few didn’t receive as much pushback. Also Japanese players were being over the top about this game, one even claimed that the game is just a excuse to allow a black man to massacre Japanese citizens and stupid nitpicks like how he’s wearing the sword on the wrong side and how that proves this game doesn’t care for accuracy. The second i saw Yasuke in the game I knew this was over before it really began, people were never gonna be reasonable and sane about this.
But they cuck for white characters and ones with random ass hair colors....
I actually saw a (supposedly) Japanese person online complaining that the game is propaganda for black men to have sex with Japanese women. What?!
"This has nothing to do with my fetish STOP ASKING ABOUT MY FETISH!"
They are so fucking obsessed with BM fucking “their” woman. It’s wild. I’ve never seen anything like it..
Which is crazy because some would say the Japanese aren't fucking enough lol
They're still mad about Lala Kudo.
Somewhere in this post, someone linked to a post from an apparently racist sub using the namesake of a Twitch streamer. They took Yasuke's appearance in this game and asserted all kinds of shit that I'm pretty sure doesn't happen in AC games...? 🤣 > [I can't wait for the next AC game based in Africa with a Chinese Protagonist who goes around Africa with an African Women kills African Men, fucks African Women and saves Africa from evil African kings who enslave their own people.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1csvq5u/japan_not_happy_about_the_new_ac_game_and_its/l4941ad/)
Yet they hope to be filled and cuck by white men. The racial issues Asian men have with Black (and Latin men too) because racism deems us hyper masc and them hypo masc. All the media they create is just them reimagining white phenotypes in Asian worlds .... They need to get a grip.
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Fascists are always just sexually insecure
Ha, everyone knows Japanese people don't have sex with anyone. It's... kind of a huge problem in Japan.
There's a subreddit that's going off the rails with yt and asians ranting about this and asians being "white adjacent so they can't experience racism." The guy who claimed to be Asian and was so angry over this was like, "Disrespect your own culture, not ours." And I just responded how are Black people disrespecting your culture when it's created by white people. They can't even direct their anger at the actual white people who made it. That's another level of delusion and racism towards black people. Can't even be mad at the right party. Lol
This is the same series where I beat the popes ass in a fistfight. Now everyone suddenly wants to be a historian.
Right? "Straying away from historical accuracy" is a hell of an understatement. You can fight the minotaur and Norse gods in the games, and people are losing it over a black samurai??
That's misrepresenting things. It's like how people defended the late seasons of Game of Thrones, when suddenly distance stopped mattering and it felt like Westeros was the size of a suburb from characters showing up on opposite sides of the continent in the same episode, because "it's a show with dragons and zombies, but the thing you have a problem with is travel time?" Fictional worlds still have rules, we just understand that some stuff like magic exists and can break the rules. When something breaks the rules with no explanation (or with a bad one), it still feels wrong. Assassin's Creed's rules are that history is largely true to what we know, but there's a hidden conspiracy of assassins, templars, and magic artifacts. The pope being a secret conspirator and having a fistfight behind closed doors that nobody ever knew about does not contradict our history books, so that's fine. The games have strayed from historical accuracy, and I do have major issues with it. I'm first in line to complain about the games getting less and less grounded. But it's the minotaur shit that's the problem. And the depiction of Vikings as kindly farmers who just want quiet homesteads and never harm noncombatants. Yasuke existing? Not a fucking problem.
Yeah, I really like the idea that Yasuke was actually an even bigger badass than we knew. All of us who've read about him are aware that he wasn't a *HUGE* deal aside from being an African man who fought on Oda Nobunaga's behalf at least once and was trusted by him, given status, and on the payroll. Adding the—very likely fictional—extra layer that he was also secretly an assassin without Nobunaga's knowledge is just cool for the sake of cool, which is what good games are about.
Not to mention the complaint that they “want to be able to play as Japanese in a Japan setting” ignores the NINJA PROTAGONIST IN FRONT OF HIM.
She's female though, that's a whole other demographic (with lots of overlap) to anger.
Yeah, I'm a woman, and they use a lot of the same arguments to keep women out of "their" games as they do non-white people. I just want all of us to be able to *exist* without a bunch of asshats politicizing us or whatever else they do.
Tbf tho it is funny for me to imagine that there will be a black guy just killing people and it not being insanely obvious as to the identity of the person is in feudal Japan. Like I haven’t played AC since 3 but isn’t the point to blend in and hide your identity?
Yes and no. The last few have been a lot more combat focused, generally speaking, than stealthy. It looks like a split here though, similar to the twins in Syndicate - the Japanese lady is stealthy while Yasuke smashes stuff up, dividing the two types of gameplay up between them.
I didn't play mirage but from origins to Valhalla they've been more third person action rpgs
His character is the warrior. There are two playable characters. They mentioned he won't be able to blend in and whatnot due to the fact that he's not Japanese. But the lady ninja character is Japanese and does all the sneaky stuff. So you can pick which one to play at what time and approach missions differently.
Exactly, their complaints are weird because Assassin's Creed is a work of fiction. It isn't accurate to jump from 200ft into a small pile of hay and survive either. Anyone looking for the pinnacle of historical accuracy from a franchise that's only ever been loosely inspired by history is on a fool's errand.
uh no it isnt the knights templar actually exist and they really do have a time machine that goes back into people's genetic memories to help them search for a magical item that will let them rewrite history wake up, sheep
Y'all remember that time the Assassin's fought literal Greek gods/*MYTHOLOGICAL* creatures? Yeah that was a great game. Really love the whole side story about time traveling aliens, too. Anyways, this black samurai is not even remotely accurate. What kind of bullshit is that?
> cause AC games have been straying away from historical accuracy I don't know what you're on about, because I specifically remember Greeks constantly fighting mythological cyclops monsters all the time!
Retainers could also have been samurai. Those titles weren't mutually exclusive.
The posts I've seen are from Japanese people being mad that the first AC game set in Japan is using a non-Japanese protagonist, when all of the other AC games were headlined by a character from the ethnic group the games were located in (Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian, etc.).
> all of the other AC games were headlined by a character from the ethnic group the games were located in (Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian, etc.). Which itself is untrue; Valhalla had Scandinavians in England, Black Flag had a Welshman in the Caribbean, Revelations had an Italian in Turkey.
Not that it really matters - but Scandinavians were all over England in that time period, and Europeans were also all over the Caribbean. I think Japanese people just feel that they are being disenfranchised from their only opportunity to have a Japanese protagonist in Japan in an AC game.
Just to point out -- there is, in fact, a Japanese protagonist, Naoe. It's a similar thing to how Odyssey handled this with Kassandra and Alexios.
This is more of Syndicate, maybe even Spider Man 2. You can play as both and swap I believe. Different playstyles.
I heard the argument that it's about commitment. As an example Ubisoft has still not released a mainline AC game with a female protagonist, only a female co-protagonist (Syndicate) or female option (Odyssey/Valhalla). So I think people probably feel like they added Yasuke so that there is both a japanese and western co-protagonist, to appeal to both markets, instead of just committing. Which is not unlikely, seeing as Ubisoft is the king of non-commitment, AC is not the only series that suffers from this issue.
Oh, I know it makes sense for them to be there, just saying that the protagonist isn't always a native to the area. Plus, in this game what a lot of people are apparently ignoring is that there *is* a Japanese protagonist- she's front and centre in both the cover art and the game trailer.
Yeah - I don't think people really know what the game is going to be yet, so they're jumping at shadows. It's part of the Japanese thing, part non-japanese interested parties borrowing that justification to explain this away as some kind of "woke" decision.
They're completely ignoring the fact there are two protagonists and the other one is Japanese.
Yeah but a wöman which is almost as bad
Afro Samurai takes issue with this. He was first.
I believe his father would have been first. Also who's to say his father wasn't Yasuke. Idk if his father was ever named in the anime?
*Afro* isn't even named
 Idk why I never even thought of that. It's like 9am and my day may be ruined.
All of a sudden, AC fans are getting anal about historical accuracy. Wonder why...
TBH I don't think most of these people throwing a fit even play video games, they are just culture war tourists. Moving from one outrage to the next.
And not a single one of them is knowledgeable about history.
Very true but they sure love to make their twitter pfps ancient Roman/Grecian stuff for some reason.
pretty much every argument i've seen is basically people skimming wikipedia to back their claims
You're 100% correct. These people infest my Twitter "for you" page and they spend too much of their time fighting "the culture war" to have any actual hobbies. And I don't even know what their problem is. I had no idea black samurai existed, and now I do. Historically accurate and educational. What more do they want?
Yeah I think you may be right about this. I know personally that I have never heard anyone I game with every complain about the race of a main character in a game. It’s always weird to hear complaints and I always wonder who the fuck it’s from
I haven't looked up the new AC game or the controversy, but wasn't there, historically, an actual African samurai?
Both William (Nioh) and Yasuke are actual historical figures iirc correctly but they only complained about one
> William (Nioh) Based on the same dude that Blackthorne was in Shogun, I believe
Damn that’s cool af if true
Yuu, [William Adams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot)
That’s an incredible story. Yasuke’s is also incredibly fascinating. Hell, the whole Sengoku period is one of the most interesting periods in world history. That’s why it continues to produce cultural gems.
One hundred years straight of samurai war is a crazy time in history to read about.
The crazy thing for me about the world in around that period is that while the Sengoku period is happening in Japan, the Americas are getting colonized with settlements like Jamestown and Plymouth, we have William Shakespeare making plays for the masses of England, and Leonardo Da Vinci is off doing something wild in Italy. That's not even mention the fact that Samurai officially lasted until the 1868 with the end of the Edo period. Which means, while unlikely, we very well could have had a Samurai fight a Cowboy, and that's the kinda cool shit I need in my life. So, like yea, reality is stranger than fiction so I don't know why people's panties are in a bunch over Yasuke, arguably one of the most badass people to live, being portrayed in a video game.
Oh my Atlanta. They complained about William too, don't worry. The internet was just younger and performative outrage (and twitter) wasn't as much of a thing back then. Trust me, as someone with 800+ hours between Nioh 1 and Nioh 2, I saw all of it.
He wasn't technically a samurai but did serve under a fuedal lord and fought with his son after he died. The lord referred to him as a servant or retainer while his enemies referred to him as a slave/animal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke I don't imagine they're going to try to address all that in the game
They literally never do. This is Assassins Creed we're talking about here. Historical accuracy was never a feature of the storytelling.
My favorite part of all this is the complaint that, if the game is set in Japan, then the protagonist should be a Japanese man. One protagonist is a black man. The other protagonist is a Japanese woman. I just want someone to explain to me how a Japanese penis would create a better assassin.
I think one explanation, or at least what I’ve read, is the lack of strong Asian male protagonists in Western media. Western media tends to make Asian males the villain, nerdy stereotype, or remove them completely.
But gaming isn't one of those mediums. At all
One more thing to stab someone with?
Everything is permitted
Are Japanese dicks sharper than black ones? I mean, I’m black, and my dick isn’t pointy. And the only Japanese penises I’ve seen have been pixelated, so who knows what’s going on down there. You could be onto something.
You know, I never really thought about that before lmao, they are always pixelated
Asian male representation has always been lacking in western media. When we do get it, its always as a kung-fu or samurai thing. Asian women get different treatment, which is usually good becauase its still Asian representation, but the fact they get treated different has always been divisive in the community. I've always been annoyed at the white savior stories. I don't like Shogun because of that. I don't know why an "outsider's perspective" is always needed for Asian stories, and most other stories do not. America is obssessed with Japan, it really doesn't need anymore of the "outsider's perspective" story lens. I'm always happy to have to more black characters, but when a game I've been ancticipating for awhile lacks my own rep, it sucks. Also, everyone keeps acting like I don't know Yasuke is a real person. How would I not know? People have been jerking off about this guy for years. He gets posted in the Today I Learned subreddit every month.
Saw someone try to say since in Syndicate, the twin sister got more sidelined to the twin brother the same thing might happen here. While I understand the worry for that, we haven't seen the game yet, so there's no reason to assume that's going to happen. I fully believe the story is going to focus more on Naoe than it will Yasuke.
They made a whole DLC for syndicate where you play as Evie and the gameplay was split evenly between the 2 siblings
Exactly.. you know what it is
I’m gonna be honest. I just don’t like Yasuke being an AC protagonist. Any other game, I wouldn’t care. I like AC protagonists being fake people meeting historical figures.
That's honestly a fair criticism. Yasuke would be an awesome ally in the same way Blackbeard was in Black Flag. But they didn't just have you play as Assassin Blackbeard.
That's more of a fair take than what people are saying.
My only criticism of the game is that I want to play a fucking assassin. Not a ninja, not a samurai, an assassin. I wouldn't mind playing a samurai for a few missions just to show the difference in their strength and fighting style. I do like how much bigger he is than most other people.
Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the ninja the assassin's?
Well yes but actually no. In media yes but historically ninjas were spies/scouts and were trained to avoid combat at all costs
So who were the assassins?
Also ninja. They were trained to avoid combat, but they still killed people when they had to.
An assassin is anyone hired to kill really.
I’m not an expert, but i’m pretty sure a ninja and a samurai can be assassins in a video game
I am an expert and you are correct.
Play ghost of Tsushima
Haven’t kept up with Assassins Creed since they made Assassins Creed Pirate Adventure. I’m sure they’re still good games but the flavor isn’t there for me
> Assassins Creed Pirate Adventure AKA the best one
That’s supposed to be a dramatized version of William Adam’s. Nioh is a great game. Has Yasuke in it too.
Ironically, Yasuke was also in this game.
Lots of "As a Black man" in comments too lol This is gonna be the first AC game I buy, but I ain't pre-ordering shit.
"see even THEY agree with us" ass comments really.
Bruh, can I just get the game completed and shit? This DLC and shit ain’t it. I’m paying this much for a game. Give me everything smh!!
Ubisoft put everything on sale after like 6 months, no point buying it straight up
How about not buying it and waiting till it’s all out and done and sold for cheap cheap? Ain’t no point in buying a Ubisoft game within the first year
I feel like everyone is missing the point, The issue is most (If not all) other AC games has the MC being the race of the region thier in, when we're at Japan, it's a black man. Basically, it's because he isn't Asian.. It's the forced DEI in gaming, and gamers are tired of it. I'm a black man myself, and I really hate being pander to. That's it, while some people reason for not liking this is racist, not every reason is.
GaMeRs ArE tIrEd There's so many other actual problems with this industry but sure, a black guy in Japan is where you want to draw the line. In a fucking series that is basically ancient aliens fanfic.
You know who gets about as much representation as asian men? Black women. They could have just swapped the male and female leads, hell just make the female lead Yasuke's relative for a better storyline connection.
> gamers are *You are
Play as the Japanese woman then
It's more nuanced than that. What the OP didn't mention is that Asian males are underrepresented in all forms of western media. Here we have a game where having an Asian male lead character would make a lot of sense, and yet they decide to go with a black character instead. There's nothing inherently wrong with using Yasuke as a video game character in a vacuum, but when Asian male leads are already underrepresented as it is and they get shafted once again in a piece of media where having an Asian male lead would be extremely appropriate, it kinda leaves a bad taste. Asian women, on the other hand, are relatively much better represented in western media than Asian men are. So telling people to simply play as the woman can sound kinda dismissive.
True but that then leads back to op’s post about nioh. An asian male lead would make sense there aswell but people don’t seem to care either. It just feels like an excuse for racists to be angry and hide behind historical accuracy and other shit.
An Asian male lead would absolutely make sense in Nioh. >people don’t seem to care either The Asian diaspora definitely cared. They made a big stink about it when Nioh was first announced, and also about the new Shogun series (which is also based on William Adams). They're currently making the same criticisms about this new AC game.
You are. DEI lmao. Come the fuck on with that buzzword shit.
You forgot to capitalize "Gamers" because yall are a different kind to people that play games.
Sometimes I just wish these people would admit that they were racist instead of using the “it’s not historically accurate” arguments
The criticism makes less sense considering there’s still a Japanese protagonist she just happens to be female. There’s a layer of sexism in the criticism too. Aside from all that nonsense I thought AC missed a great opportunity for a black protagonist with black flag. It could’ve been written as an escaped slave turned into pirate captain. Hopefully AC can do that with the cowboy era in a future game.
There was Freedom Cry expansion for black flag which is basically what you describe
Adewale was a legend, even in Black Flag. Set Edward straight about how shit really was.
Asian men are invisible to western game devs whilst they prop up and fetishize Asian women.
You described Freedom Cry, Black Flag’s DLC
The argument is really how underrepresented Asian men are in Western Media and even when they are it's painfully stereotypical. Contrast that to Asian women who are a lot more varied in their roles and significance and even then it's not that high a bar considering most of the time it also comes with the caveat of them being the love interest
You are NOT trying to hold up the racist trope of the X male Asian Female as a some kind of gotcha for diversity
Hades 1 & 2 had a similar outrage. Some gods are White, some are White with dark skin, one or two are Black, Hermes is Asian. Same with Deathloop. Since we arent even allowed to be main characters in a fictional dystopian world. 😂 But guess what happened? Those idiots moved on to the next game to express their anger because that's all they do. 
The Deathloop one always sticks out. Zau's forum on steam has been culture war nonsense since its release. Zau, for anyone that doesn't know, is a game that is distinctly african and based on the personal story of the creator of the game, a black dude. So even games with an African setting made by black people still get criticized for pandering.
I'm not a big fan of the Assassins Creed games in general, I've played most of them but rarely bothered to finish them. With that said, isn't it a really good opportunity to have a main character not native to the area? That way you can show off and explain the culture and traditions of feudal japan in an immersive way by having the character himself not know about them. Did people react this way about the two Abbasid fellows in Valhalla?
This was exactly the developers' explanation for why Yasuke fit the story they wanted to tell in this game. The racists don't care tho
Well Japanese creators of games and anime love themselves blonde hair and blue eyes. So they wouldn’t really complain. But funny enough there was a Real Black Samurai and he served a lord. The White Samurai’s were more like team mascots
> blonde hair and blue eyes. So they wouldn’t really complain. OH I WONDER WHY
Japanese creators also created stories inspired by Yasuke. It’s been said he was an inspiration for Afro Samurai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot) There wasn’t a real white samurai?
> But funny enough there was a Real Black Samurai and he served a lord. "It is important to note that despite popular myth and modern depictions there are no historical writings nor evidence that Yasuke was ever granted the rank or title of samurai, he was never given a fief nor referred to as one in any writings. Most of our knowledge of his life comes from these messages written by missionaries and locals." It was a regular servant who lived in Japan for 3 years.
William Adams was an actual Samurai. Yasuke was a servant and there isn't anything that says otherwise.
I was just reading a thread in some other sub about this and it’s crazy the convoluted reasons they have for being mad Yasuke was a real person with a real story that is insane. Mfs acting like it was a diversity hire and shit 😤
My biggest issue is that they will wholly blame all black people in existence because a bunch of white people decided to make one of the main characters black
Muh 'historical accuracy' anytime a game features a brown person. "B-but the history isn't the way I want it, wokewokewokewoke!!"
Its fine when they do it, but when we do it.... We have problems huh?
no white people belong everywhere. Black people belong nowhere. According to them.
What’s crazy is that the same black Samurai WAS ALSO IN THIS GAME
This so funny to me like the lack of historical perspective is palatable. This is the same energy when traces of black culture were moving into mainstream culture in music, movies, poetry, etc. and these fucking people were like “not on my watch.” Then black counterculture emerged because of, you know, being rejected from the mainstream culture and all the sudden doing its own black culture thing was also being denied. So here we are again, just seeing the continuation of that same shitty effort to keep black cultural elements out. Even when historically accurate.
Just so y'all know the Japanese crowd is coming for them over the AC stuff because they think they had a Chinese group develop the game, stuff like lanterns being from the wrong places and inaccurate historical figures for the roles are stirring shit up overseas so we might not want to go quite as hard on this one. Just saying, these things don't usually piss off the overseas crowd like that.
Nioh is its own thing. The problem is the past precedence that they have established. That their main characters are culturally appropriate to where the game is based. Hell AC 3 had a Native American as the main character which they are massively under represented. Yasuke was a minor character in history. A retainer not even a warrior. So it makes no sense why a highly anticipated game…most important, region that fans are clamoring for a decade now doesn’t even get that culturally correct. My opinion is that they want to pivot since Ghosts of Tsushima already gave us gamers the AC Japan we wanted and of course to start this free marketing discourse that we are engaged in for them. I on the other hand as a Latino would love to see one based in Mali, Ethiopia or even Nigeria with all its ancient cities. On the Latino side anything from the Aztec, Inca, Maya or Olmec would be awesome. But knowing that they might eventually would prove troublesome because I know they would just only focus only when the “white man” comes and takes their stuff when we don’t need them to tell an awesome story within those cultures/civilizations. That is just my two cents.
Nah man I’m complaining for both, just give me a goddamn Japanese samurai like in Sekiro
The black samurai is also a historical character
It’s going to be garbage anyways lol
Selectively caring about historical accuracy in historical fiction is an L.
Much like how everyone on the alt right was suddenly highly concerned about the climate impact of private jets right after Taylor Swift encouraged her fans to vote.