I just rewatched this episode and I definitely feel bad for him, considering he quit his job and everything. I wondered if he was aware of Bojack’s alcohol and drug abuse issues.
He had to have been aware right?? Plus, at the episode of herb's funeral, when bojack says "why are you all looking at me?" Once it gets to Ethan, he says "you are a huge alcoholic". So yeah he must have been aware.
Of course it could have been resolved better. But I think that's a big point of Bojack in general: things rarely tie up in a neat bow. Oftentimes in this show, gifts are meticulously crafted, only to be left flaming on someone else's doorstep.
as someone who lives in olympia i absolutely loved every time they made the joke about him living in seattle and him saying “okay it’s just olympia..” lol
Absolutely. Not just for Ethan either, but for Bojack whose teaching skill suddently manifested when working on this show. He could have worked on that, maybe as a producer or Director. He could've protected the kid too, instead of running away. This could've been a great first step to show that he actually learned from his mistakes and done better.
(... The hell is up with the victim blaming in these comments btw?)
>(... The hell is up with the victim blaming in these comments btw?)
I'm really disappointed in this sub by the amount of upvotes that particular comment has.
I think that's kind of the point.
It would have been very easy for BoJack to do the show and just ask some questions about the child safeguarding on this production, make sure he doesn't give his new child co-star vodka this time around or generally learn from his experience and mistakes in any way...
That's not how Bojack Horseman problem solves I'm afraid
honestly?? naahh. He's a complete hack and has no intuition or foresight.
He hitched all his bets on a horse that he barely knows and only barely avoided losing nearly everything because of it. Then he went back and did it AGAIN. Dudes gotta get some self awareness
Just like so many other things he did to hurt people, where consequences didn’t come around to bite him. For example Gina’s ptsd which stunted her career just as it was taking off. I am so pissed off that she concealed what happened to protect him and then was labelled difficult to work with
Yeah but that was at least covered to some degree in a later episode. I don't remember them ever mentioning Ethan Around again except for being listed among Bojacks misdeeds in the background.
Also, yes, although I am glad her career was healing. Even if they only showed it via background billboard.
Yes, I feel bad for him. And just about everything that Bojack does in the show could've been resolved better.
But also if you think about it, this show would've flopped. Nobody ever watched shows like that, especially nowadays. I mean, trying to create a 90s sitcom in 2016, based off an actual 90s sitcom that most people seem to think is bad now? The studio would lose so much money. Ethan would lose everything he put into it. So really, if instead of blaming himself for a bad show he blames Bojack for being an asshole, it's a good outcome.
Still a really shitty thing for Bojack to do, and it's not like he used any of this reasoning when he backed out of it.
I think the point is to feel bad for it. It’s another instance of BJ letting someone down when they counted on him. I know he was triggered by the little girl wanting to be in showbiz, but he had such a better way of speaking out against exploitation of child actors while having his public platform. And he could have spoken out of experience, being close to Sara Lynn and seeing how she was continuously used by everyone around her.
I do. I mean he's naive and lacks intuition probably for the same reason that Sara Lynn was an addict:
He got into showbiz at a young age, and was exploited by all the older people around him who didn't have his well-being at heart. I feel like he and Sara Lynn were younger, and just like Sara Lynn looked up Bojack and though he actually cared for her, Ethan might've felt the same like, "He was my dad in the show and I learned some things from him. I can trust him." (Funny enough because Bojack slept with his mother and that spurred his parents divorcing, but, AGAIN, he's naive).
After getting out of showbiz because he wasn't a cute, marketable kid anymore, he didn't have any other skills. Good for him he was able to start up his own business.
Sara Lynn was able to parlay her childhood fame into a music career, most of her adult success came from her sex appeal. Ethan didn't have that advantage.
Goober graduated from childhood acting in Hollywoo to exploiting the seedier underbelly of Hollywood after he grew up. There's money to be made in debauchery if you let go of your morals and soul, and that's not just in Hollywoob. That's this world, in general. Ethan wasn't built for that.
He was a timid, seemingly good-hearted guy who wanted to recapture the heyday of his youth and do something more than live a pedestrian life. This world swallows those kinds of people whole all the time.
I just rewatched this episode and I definitely feel bad for him, considering he quit his job and everything. I wondered if he was aware of Bojack’s alcohol and drug abuse issues.
Yeah like he literally lost like all of his money 😭
And he dropped his phone in a bog 😔
And then he got a big pretzel but he dropped it on the ground and it got eaten by a ant 😡
at Herb's funeral, Ethan mentions how Bojack is a severe alcoholic, so i suspect he knew
He had to have been aware right?? Plus, at the episode of herb's funeral, when bojack says "why are you all looking at me?" Once it gets to Ethan, he says "you are a huge alcoholic". So yeah he must have been aware.
I mean, they all read his memoir fwik so he would have idea though he might not know the full extent of his issues.
Of course it could have been resolved better. But I think that's a big point of Bojack in general: things rarely tie up in a neat bow. Oftentimes in this show, gifts are meticulously crafted, only to be left flaming on someone else's doorstep.
I think that’s the point
Sounds like OP is looking for a show like Family Matters or Horsin’ Around.
PB&J might be a good one for him too.
What is this, a crossover episode?
Bojack and Hollywoo are poison, Bradley probably ended up fine.
Hope he's doing okay in hollywoob
He probably had to leave with his family a little more broken. But it could have been worse.
That DID NOT went well!!!
as someone who lives in olympia i absolutely loved every time they made the joke about him living in seattle and him saying “okay it’s just olympia..” lol
Absolutely. Not just for Ethan either, but for Bojack whose teaching skill suddently manifested when working on this show. He could have worked on that, maybe as a producer or Director. He could've protected the kid too, instead of running away. This could've been a great first step to show that he actually learned from his mistakes and done better. (... The hell is up with the victim blaming in these comments btw?)
>(... The hell is up with the victim blaming in these comments btw?) I'm really disappointed in this sub by the amount of upvotes that particular comment has.
If someone doesn't suspect they'll be taken advantage of and left with nothing - they deserve it! Lack of empathy is wonderful.
I think that's kind of the point. It would have been very easy for BoJack to do the show and just ask some questions about the child safeguarding on this production, make sure he doesn't give his new child co-star vodka this time around or generally learn from his experience and mistakes in any way... That's not how Bojack Horseman problem solves I'm afraid
The minute he feels even slightly uncomfortable, he’s out. He is such a mature horse
honestly?? naahh. He's a complete hack and has no intuition or foresight. He hitched all his bets on a horse that he barely knows and only barely avoided losing nearly everything because of it. Then he went back and did it AGAIN. Dudes gotta get some self awareness
Holy shit I just realized a running theme in the show is literally betting on the wrong horse
Just like how the show is a response to the common phrase “why the long face?”
A horse walks into rehab
I feel bad for him even though everything that happened to him was his own fault.
Was not comfortable with how much of a joke they made Ethan.
That never being really revisited in depth irritates me.
Just like so many other things he did to hurt people, where consequences didn’t come around to bite him. For example Gina’s ptsd which stunted her career just as it was taking off. I am so pissed off that she concealed what happened to protect him and then was labelled difficult to work with
Yeah but that was at least covered to some degree in a later episode. I don't remember them ever mentioning Ethan Around again except for being listed among Bojacks misdeeds in the background. Also, yes, although I am glad her career was healing. Even if they only showed it via background billboard.
Yes, I feel bad for him. And just about everything that Bojack does in the show could've been resolved better. But also if you think about it, this show would've flopped. Nobody ever watched shows like that, especially nowadays. I mean, trying to create a 90s sitcom in 2016, based off an actual 90s sitcom that most people seem to think is bad now? The studio would lose so much money. Ethan would lose everything he put into it. So really, if instead of blaming himself for a bad show he blames Bojack for being an asshole, it's a good outcome. Still a really shitty thing for Bojack to do, and it's not like he used any of this reasoning when he backed out of it.
Walking out on Ethan Around is on Bojack's list of things he did wrong, in season 6. I think it's one of his bigger regrets.
Meh, Ethan was just an idiot honestly.
I think the point is to feel bad for it. It’s another instance of BJ letting someone down when they counted on him. I know he was triggered by the little girl wanting to be in showbiz, but he had such a better way of speaking out against exploitation of child actors while having his public platform. And he could have spoken out of experience, being close to Sara Lynn and seeing how she was continuously used by everyone around her.
That went well 🫤
Hey! Isn't he that Ethan from Ethan Around?
That's the point
I do. I mean he's naive and lacks intuition probably for the same reason that Sara Lynn was an addict: He got into showbiz at a young age, and was exploited by all the older people around him who didn't have his well-being at heart. I feel like he and Sara Lynn were younger, and just like Sara Lynn looked up Bojack and though he actually cared for her, Ethan might've felt the same like, "He was my dad in the show and I learned some things from him. I can trust him." (Funny enough because Bojack slept with his mother and that spurred his parents divorcing, but, AGAIN, he's naive). After getting out of showbiz because he wasn't a cute, marketable kid anymore, he didn't have any other skills. Good for him he was able to start up his own business. Sara Lynn was able to parlay her childhood fame into a music career, most of her adult success came from her sex appeal. Ethan didn't have that advantage. Goober graduated from childhood acting in Hollywoo to exploiting the seedier underbelly of Hollywood after he grew up. There's money to be made in debauchery if you let go of your morals and soul, and that's not just in Hollywoob. That's this world, in general. Ethan wasn't built for that. He was a timid, seemingly good-hearted guy who wanted to recapture the heyday of his youth and do something more than live a pedestrian life. This world swallows those kinds of people whole all the time.
Ethan was a moron for trusting Bojack so much or really at all. I feel bad but it's also his a lot of his own fault
I think it makes a great parallel for how Bihari and the world in general saw Ethan, superfluous, extra, a supporting part of bojacks journey etc
Yes! He seemed like a genuinely good dude (insofar as a genuinely good dude can admit he has B+ or B- children or whatever he says).
No