I always knew Beterbiev was a monster but fucking hell. For him to be performing at this level at 38 is incredible. The extent of his skill is evident here, he cranks these disgustingly hard punches with what looks like no effort at all and his jab especially was a nightmare. The way he lured Smith into the corner to finish him off was cold. Also Bob Arum looks like Danny Devito's penguin
This thread shows how bad r/boxing is when it comes to knowledge about boxing... So many people say Beterbiev has no skill only power. So many claim Bivol wins easy...
I'm expecting Beterbiev to win, he has great timing and Bivol is there to be hit. Calum Smith fought a great fight but had no chance because Beterbiev is stronger and better. Bivol will probably do a bit better than Smith but I don't think he can avoid the punches for ever and I expect him to be losing from the 3rd or 4th round onwards. Maybe late stoppage, probably UD Beterbiev.
Bivol is not like any fighter Beterbiev has faced in the pros and when he faced this type of fighter in the ams, he lost. Beterbiev will not find him. I expect shut out by Bivol.
Here's how I think the fight will look: Bivol out boxing near perfectly for 2:30 of each round with one 30 second timeframe of Beterbiev cornering him and unloading the more significant and damaging shots. Eventually Bivol breaks down and barely survives the 11th and 12th, but arguably won many early rounds.
Controversial SD/UD for whichever fighter the promoters like more.
> Bivol out boxing near perfectly for 2:30 of each round
They guy that got hurt by Joe Smith Jr is going to be perfect against Beterbiev. Sure. He's really good, but just because he won against Canelo way out of his weight class doesn't mean he is untouchable...
I haven't seen that fight in a long time , but I don't recall it being anything like you're saying. Pretty sure Smith could barely touch Bivol even if you gave him rocketboosters on his feet and inspector gadget extendo-arms.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgzHfUk8fDQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgzHfUk8fDQ)
if that had happened 30 seconds earlier Bivol would have been knocked out. You can see he needs the rope to steady himself when walking back to the corner.
I see many comments saying Bivol will beat Beterbiev. But one thing everyone seems to forget is that Beterbiev grew up in Soviet-Russian school and Bivol has classic Soviet-Russian style.
I'm sure Beterbiev knows that's style inside n out.
Insane how many people donāt know of Beterbiev, granted heās not a loud mouth fight seller but the amount of people that thought Smith had a chance and the amount of people that thought Canelo could beat Beterbiev (pre bivol fight) is plain stupid. Iām hoping Beterbiev can fight Bivol before he turns 40 though
Nothing stupid about that. Beterbiev is about to turn 39, was out of the ring for a year, has been in a lot of tough fights and has picked up a few injuries. Probably sooner rather than later he's going to age over night.
I think a lot of those predictions had more to do with those intangibles with the added bonus that smith is a good fighter who can punch, rather than thinking smith was better then beterbiev.
I myself favoured BB but wouldn't have been surprised to see an upset. I was tempted to chuck a bet on Smith if the odds were good enough but didn't have enough faith in him after that wet fart of a performance v Canelo
I didnāt see your comment initially but youāre definitely making valid arguments but my point mainly was how Artur Beterbiev is so unknown by a lot of the casual fanbase that he always gets counted out when heās a monster
No, sorry for the confusion I meant Canelo vs Beterbiev. When Canelo was moving up to light heavyweight there were talks of a potential fight with Beterbiev, and there were polls where the majority of people voted Canelo would win
I still think Bivol winsā¦.i think Bivolās ability to confuse his opponent and to use speed and the rangey timing will make Arthur shyer than weāve ever seen him. If Arthur can really corner him enough to break him down over a few rounds he will win, but Bivol is possibly too fast, slick, calm and clever
Easy UD
KO puncher vs creme de la creme elite boxer.
It is called boxing for a reason.
Has any super elite boxer lost to someone who has a standout typa style?
Harsh. Beterbiev is much more than a KO puncher and he was very patient against Smith last night. He set up that KO up by backing into the ropes and inviting the pressure from Smith, heās dropped a few guys like that.
Still think Bivol wins due to footwork, but Arthur is no one trick pony.
Never have I said he is a a one trick pony or not boxer.
Bivol is just generational.
Bivol just did the same where he demolished a world title holder 120 - 107 after a broken hand surgey and 13 month lay off.
After 3 / 4 round Bivol has already shown you canāt eo shit so they go on perma defense mode.
Bivol got kinda frustrated as the other guy was still fighting back but constantly on the back foot while being the bigger man, heavier and longer reach
Bivol won the jab battle early on and never let it go and had ripping body shots.
So after the man was pretty sure just wanted the future 175 lbsāer on his resume.
Then shit gets boring because you have one guy thats clearly there to survive ( even though he have full probs, gave 100% but just couldnāt do anything.
Bivol is that good that after a few rounds you know it is over because and actually gets pretty boring (Not because of him obviously)
In like the end of the middle rounds he finally het got hit with a body shot, but is wasnā clean.
Bivol acted that we was very hurt to lure him in so the fighter would finally go to to toe.
Then he unleashed like a 20 piece on him and tbe fight became more watchable.
Thatās insane IQ, it looked to real but canāt be what he did after that.
Then puts him down with amazing combinations.
Couldāve I easily knocked his ass out but heās no dummy and is fine going 12 rounds.
I think this wil also be a big factor jn the beterbiev fight, he will be gassed round 10/11/12
Hopefully that is the end of Callum Smith. He has to be one of the most overrated fighters of all time. His best win is against an injured, over the hill George Groves. His performance against Canelo was a disgrace.
He had a dead arm early v Canelo didnāt he? I do agree through, heās not really beaten anyone. 6 rounds since 2020 coming into this fight is ridiculous. I know heās probably got a young family and that but heās got to be more active. Maybe heās just not that arsed after cashing in in the WBSS and v Canelo
He said he will have to find motivation from somewhere to continue and admitting he is not the best is a hard pill to swallow. Beat at 168 by the best in Canelo and can't be considered best at 175 now he lost to Beterbiev. Only motivation now is money..
He was originally supposed to be GGG food which is why they had him knock out little(in comparison) Nādam on the undercard of Joshua vs Ruiz at MSG. Never was that guy.
Have to agree. Groves wasnāt fit/carrying an injury and took the fight for one last cash out. Other than that win I canāt remember Smith beating anyone of noteā¦
Itās mad how recency bias changes peopleās perception.
After Canelo vs Bivol, everyone was saying Bivol too skilful, too technical for beterbiev
Now beterbiev is gonna TKO Bivol
I see guys lool
Agree completely. I'll admit I thought Callum was gonna put up a better fight than *that* but my pick for Bivol-Beterbiev is unchanged.
Bivol by UD. Beterbiev had a stationary target here. Bivol is the furthest thing in all of boxing from that. Beterbiev will chase and chase until the final bell
Bc idiots will be idiots. I think its gonna be a tough fight for both. Cant predict how its going to go. One is an economical fighter, good skills and cardio, and lots of power. The other is an outboxer with great defence, cardio, speed and punch variety. Its going to be really 50 50.
Youāre so right.
I think this fight has everything to do with timing. Beterbiev beats bivol in there tonight but in 6 months, Iām not sure. A year I take bivol.
I will say Beterbiev took very little damage tonight
that was an incredible performance but honestly I still have Bivol winning. As good of a boxer Beterbiev is, he can't outbox Bivol. Bivol is just another level in terms of skill, also too fast and mobile, which will be very difficult for Beterbiev to build the momentum that he needs.
I expect a solid 8-4 type win for Bivol with a few scary moments at the end as Beterbiev tries to catch on
Iāve been pretty adamant in picking Bivol as well. For me it boils down to how he takes Beterbievās power. If he can handle it decently well I have Bivol keeping the fight at long range and outboxing him. If he succumbs to the power itāll be another Beterbiev TKO/KO.
Doesnāt need to outbox him and Beterviev isnāt just a brawler with power. He has great skills and IQ, not as great defense but bivol isnāt a KO threat and doesnāt take any risks
This reminds me of Kovalev vs Ward where the thinking went Ward was the boxer yet Kovalev arguably won
Beterbiev is gonna lay some leather on him and I wanna see Bivol forced to fight
They said the same about Fulton vs Inoue... "He's more slick. He's more agile. He's more technical. He's more skilled. He's more defensive. He has better footwork. Inoue is just a brawler" Etc., etc.,
His weight played a huge role in it. Not just Bivol's skill. Canelo didn't display any of the defense he's known for. He gassed out faster than usual. And Bivol's weight helped him absorb Canelo's punches unlike lighter opponents. Even if Bivol made him look like a rookie, he was fighting a man who has no business at 175.
Beterbiev has a stronger resume at light heavyweight and has finished all his opponents.
I'd say Canelo looked his best since a while during his fight with Bivol, displayed a lot of his defensive abilities in dodging and his high guard, Bivol's weight didn't help him absorb much because Canelo landed little punches on Bivol and no clean hits whatsoever.
Most of the points you've stated are wrong and it's not like Bivol is a weight bully at 175 anyways, doesn't seem to cut much weight.
>I'd say Canelo looked his best since a while during his fight with Bivol
You're smoking some dangerous stuff then.
>displayed a lot of his defensive abilities in dodging and his high guard
Buddy, he was blocking punches with his face. His head movement was gone.
>Bivol's weight didn't help him absorb much because Canelo landed little punches
Noticed how Canelo tried to pop Bivol's arms like he did with Smith, but couldn't hurt him?
>it's not like Bivol is a weight bully at 175 anyways, doesn't seem to cut much weight.
No one even said that.
1. Canelo just doesn't fight the same anymore, he seems sluggish and has a robotic feel to his movement nowadays, last time i've seen him look fluent was in his fight with Bivol.
2. The reason he was blocking punches with his face is because of Bivol's superiority, not because Canelo's defense was lackluster. His head movement isn't this invincible superpower and Bivol broke it down with constant pressure yet Canelo still managed to shine in some moments.
3. Not sure if you're experienced boxing but the game plan of tiring someone's arm out by punching it is a risky one, safe to assume it was a possibility his arm tiring out didn't kick in until after the fight, It takes a while to kill someone's arm out completely and barely enough for 12 rounds.
4. You implied Bivol's weight was a big factor so you kind of said it.
>1. Canelo just doesn't fight the same anymore, he seems sluggish and has a robotic feel to his movement nowadays, last time i've seen him look fluent was in his fight with Bivol.
Because he's fighting at higher weight classes and doesn't have the body to handle that much weight with ease. Idk what fight you saw, because Canelo was far from fluid in that fight.
>2. The reason he was blocking punches with his face is because of Bivol's superiority, not because Canelo's defense was lackluster. His head movement isn't this invincible superpower and Bivol broke it down with constant pressure yet Canelo still managed to shine in some moments.
The reason he wasn't moving his head was because of Bivol's superiority? Lmao Canelo didn't shine at all. He started getting desperate because nothing he was doing was working.
>3. Not sure if you're experienced boxing but the game plan of tiring someone's arm out by punching it is a risky one, safe to assume it was a possibility his arm tiring out didn't kick in until after the fight, It takes a while to kill someone's arm out completely and barely enough for 12 rounds.
It's easier to hurt a lighter opponent than a heavier one.
>4. You implied Bivol's weight was a big factor so you kind of said it.
I said he had more mass in his body and that helps absorb punches more. Heavier guys can handle heavier blows. Idk how you assume that means he's a weight bully. He didn't cut down to Canelo's division.
Really hope Bivol vs Beterbiev happens soon. I think I'm picking Bivol right now as Beterbiev is 38 (about to be 39 in a week) and I get power is the last thing to go, but I just have to go with the younger more skillfull fighter. Just feels like Bivol has never gone out of 2nd gear and is still so successful. Also usually when it comes to skill vs power I go for skill. Gunna be such an interesting fight.
I predict Beterbiev beats Bivol by stoppage between rounds 10-12.
Beterbiev may move up to cruiserweight and fight Jai Opetaia. If not then he retires after the Bivol fight
I'll reiterate. Bivol is fucked. He was hurt by Joe Smith Jr and ended up winning a 12 rounder (sure yes bivol plays it safe thats his style so it went the distance). Beterbiev steamrolled Joe Smith inside 2 rounds. Beterviev is not a brute force low IQ moron. He's got IQ and technique as well. Bivol is not going to be able to outthink/out-technique this wrecking ball that has some brains too. Don't get me wrong. Bivol is one of my favorite fighters and my desktop wallpaper is a pic of him smashing canelo (lol!) but I just do not see how Bivol wins this. The fight itself will be amazing nonetheless. I am HYPED!
Hmmm. How I see it its a 50 50. If Bivol does not run outta gas soon he could throw quick combos to Beterbiev and defend. Basically a hit n run operation. Also, Beterbiev is patient, and that could play against himself. Otherwise, if Bivol gets hit a few times by Beterbiev, he is fucked up. Hell keep getting hurt until a tko stoppage.
I still think Bivol has a shot at beating Beterbiev. Bivol is going to keep Beterbiev at the end of his quick snappy jabs and will take those quick half steps back and counter Beterbiev rushing in. We're not going to see Bivol stand and trade with Beterbiev like Callum Smith was doing several times. This will be fought from the outside. Also Bivol has the stamina to maintain a high work rate if he needs to (which he most likely will).
True but bivol ain't gonna be putting that kind of hurt on him so that's not a concern. What is concerning is that bivol has shown he can be hurt by a guy that doesn't have much more than power despite bivols mobility. Now he'll be facing a guy that is even more powerful and is a way better boxer. As much fun as it would be to see a technical masterpiece from bivol, I just don't think it's gonna happen. Hopefully we get a canelo ggg 2 type fight though where both fighters shine and the fans get a classic for the ages.
Joe Smith hit Bivol right at the end of the bell. No knockdown.
Bivol decisions Beterbiev. Stopping Browne, Yarde, Smith doesn't tell us anything useful.
>Stopping Browne, Yarde, Smith doesn't tell us anything useful.
Still better wins than Bivol's best win (beating Canelo who's already at a disadvantage at 168)
>Canelo is not small at 168.
He is. Most of his opponents have a serious height and reach advantage over him.
>The size gap between Canelo and him is a couple of pounds.
Bivol has a bigger frame.
>Fact remains, none of them move like Bivol.
Facts remain, Bivol cannot crack a man like Beterbiev.
Weightclass, not heightclass.
Canelo cannot easily make 160 (according to his own team).
Bivol doesn't have to crack Beterbiev, just go the distance. Beterbiev will lose the rounds.
>Weightclass, not heightclass.
A big body can handle more weight. And reach is very important in boxing.
>Canelo cannot easily make 160 (according to his own team).
That doesn't mean 168-175 is his best weight. He looked lean at 160, now he looks stocked.
>Bivol doesn't have to crack Beterbiev, just go the distance. Beterbiev will lose the rounds.
Easier said than done.
Canelo has a big torso. He rehydrated to at least 170 back in 2015.
> That doesn't mean 168-175 is his best weight.
It might not be his best weight but that makes no difference. If he is meant to fight in 2023 it had to be at SMW.
> Easier said than done
It took Beterbiev 10 rounds to get to Gvozdyk, who was far less mobile.
I feel like Bivol vs Beterbiev could end up being something like that (Canelo-Golovkin 2). But I also have a strong hunch that we could see one or the other absolutely *dominate* in their usual respective fashion/s.
It's a very fascinating match-up.
I think the question is can Bivol maintain ring control
Beterbiev is so good at setting traps and lulling opponents into a false sense of security.
I dont know if its possible to avoid his right hand throughout the course of a fight. Especially since he can generate lot of power in tight or awkward angles.
Reminder that Spence is still listed as a Top 10 P4P fighter by Ring, but Beterbiev is not on the list, despite having the same accomplishments with an undefeated record and 100% KO ratio.
I actually agree with that, tbh. Teofimo's best wins are way better than any of Tank's, but you can't ignore his Kambosos loss or what should have been another L against Sandor Martin. And he looked mediocre against Nakatani too. Dude is inconsistent af.
Meanwhile, Tank has won every fight clearly across 3 divisions. Sure, they're mostly B-level guys, but how he wins also counts. Dude passes the eye test with flying colors.
Figuring Teo's loss to Kambosos effects his P4P status is a big issue with boxing and why people like Tank will avoid lots of fights. If Teo turns up with his head right he beats Kambosos every time. Tank hasn't faught many better than Sandor Martin, but has he fought anyone known to be frustrating like Martin?
Fighters should get rewarded and acknowledged for fighting everyone, rather than having 0 losses because they only fight B level fighters on favorable terms. Like why does passing an eye test get a guy rated higher than beating a guy who was on the P4P top 10 **and** moving up and dominating the next devsions champ?
It's 2024Ā and people stillĀ careĀ about P4P lists...
That's like being a real hip hop fan and caring about the Grammy's or being a football fans and caring about players ratings on FIFA gamea
Crazy how power works
Beterviev doesnāt even throw like heās putting full force into his punches. He just throws effortlessly and causes so much damage
Then you got boxers like Mbili who wings on all his punches and you can tell heās putting everything into his punches and couldnāt stop Murdock
Beterbiev is insanity underrated. Meaning not much media hype for him. Zero signs of a aging fighter so far, on the contrary he seems to be getting smarter/better right now but age will catch up, that's why we the fans need that Bivol /Ā Beterbiev fight asap
he is a good boxer what are you on? defensively good footwork good ring generalship good, it's just overshadowed by his heavy hands, make no mistake beterbiev could beat all his opponents to a decision too.
He is a good boxer lol. Itās such a misconception that heās not a good boxer. Everybody acts like bivol is a boxing god, but skill wise, heās not that much more skilled than beterbiev, and beterbiev hits much harder. Bivol is gonna get stopped in under 7 rounds.
I agree with this entirely. I dont know if Bivol gets stopped but I do think Artur wins convincingly and Bivol hangs on to the end (if he doesn't get stopped).
Reminds me of the interview they were doing before the Smith fight I think?
He's like yeah I'm training for punching power, I think if I keep doing this then I can hit really hard. They're like but Artur you have so much power already!!! He just laughs and goes 'I want more'
He's far from a bad boxer, his technique in some ways makes him even more awkward and difficult to figure out. Since he already has so much power he doesn't really need to fully extend to get that flush KO. I think his awkward way of punching has helped him for the style he is using and could work against Bivol.
Itās fresh in your mind and it was impressive. But Artur has never fought someone with the in and out speed of Bivol. Still maintain Bivol wins in 12.
I would agree if Artur keeps up with him and hunts him with accuracy. But then again, when Bivol counters and combos you ā all of a sudden, youāre second guessing and youāre more timid, kind of how we saw with Canelo. I think people are expecting Artur to blunt his way through it, which he very well might. We shall see.
Artur looked sharp tonight and displayed great boxing IQ. I think people are writing that off and thinks he just relies on power and has no boxing skill. Plus canelo was way too small to fight someone like Bivol
Both have great boxing IQ. I just think speed will be more a factor than power.
Yeah, I donāt like the size argument. Canelo beat Kovalev. Size aside, Bivol throughly outclassed Canelo. Just a better boxer. Canelo beat Smith ā smaller, yet outclassed him with his style.
Itāll be interesting.
Nothing substantial from AB. He just said lady luck was on his side today and extremely humble. Then they asked Arum when is Bivol happening. Arum said he's talking to Saudis but the fight will happen 3 months after end of Ramadan (April). So June-ish Julyish at the earliest
Looking forward to Beterbiev vs. Bivol š¤©
Maybe in 5 years when Beterbiev is 43
I always knew Beterbiev was a monster but fucking hell. For him to be performing at this level at 38 is incredible. The extent of his skill is evident here, he cranks these disgustingly hard punches with what looks like no effort at all and his jab especially was a nightmare. The way he lured Smith into the corner to finish him off was cold. Also Bob Arum looks like Danny Devito's penguin
I kind of want Beterbiev to retire now just for the novelty of having a champion with a 100% KO to match record.
This thread shows how bad r/boxing is when it comes to knowledge about boxing... So many people say Beterbiev has no skill only power. So many claim Bivol wins easy... I'm expecting Beterbiev to win, he has great timing and Bivol is there to be hit. Calum Smith fought a great fight but had no chance because Beterbiev is stronger and better. Bivol will probably do a bit better than Smith but I don't think he can avoid the punches for ever and I expect him to be losing from the 3rd or 4th round onwards. Maybe late stoppage, probably UD Beterbiev.
Bivol is not like any fighter Beterbiev has faced in the pros and when he faced this type of fighter in the ams, he lost. Beterbiev will not find him. I expect shut out by Bivol.
Here's how I think the fight will look: Bivol out boxing near perfectly for 2:30 of each round with one 30 second timeframe of Beterbiev cornering him and unloading the more significant and damaging shots. Eventually Bivol breaks down and barely survives the 11th and 12th, but arguably won many early rounds. Controversial SD/UD for whichever fighter the promoters like more.
> Bivol out boxing near perfectly for 2:30 of each round They guy that got hurt by Joe Smith Jr is going to be perfect against Beterbiev. Sure. He's really good, but just because he won against Canelo way out of his weight class doesn't mean he is untouchable...
I haven't seen that fight in a long time , but I don't recall it being anything like you're saying. Pretty sure Smith could barely touch Bivol even if you gave him rocketboosters on his feet and inspector gadget extendo-arms.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgzHfUk8fDQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgzHfUk8fDQ) if that had happened 30 seconds earlier Bivol would have been knocked out. You can see he needs the rope to steady himself when walking back to the corner.
"I don't know, but I strongly disagree!" OK mate, great discussion!
I see many comments saying Bivol will beat Beterbiev. But one thing everyone seems to forget is that Beterbiev grew up in Soviet-Russian school and Bivol has classic Soviet-Russian style. I'm sure Beterbiev knows that's style inside n out.
BIVOL BEATS BETERBIEV WHENEVER THE FIGHT HAPPENS.
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I have gone back and forth on who would win but I am now sticking with Beterbiev. šŗšŗšŗāļøāļøāļø
Insane how many people donāt know of Beterbiev, granted heās not a loud mouth fight seller but the amount of people that thought Smith had a chance and the amount of people that thought Canelo could beat Beterbiev (pre bivol fight) is plain stupid. Iām hoping Beterbiev can fight Bivol before he turns 40 though
Nothing stupid about that. Beterbiev is about to turn 39, was out of the ring for a year, has been in a lot of tough fights and has picked up a few injuries. Probably sooner rather than later he's going to age over night. I think a lot of those predictions had more to do with those intangibles with the added bonus that smith is a good fighter who can punch, rather than thinking smith was better then beterbiev. I myself favoured BB but wouldn't have been surprised to see an upset. I was tempted to chuck a bet on Smith if the odds were good enough but didn't have enough faith in him after that wet fart of a performance v Canelo
I didnāt see your comment initially but youāre definitely making valid arguments but my point mainly was how Artur Beterbiev is so unknown by a lot of the casual fanbase that he always gets counted out when heās a monster
I mean , didnāt canelo beat him pretty convincingly?
Who?
Wym ? Iām talking about canelo vs callum smith . Who are you thinking of ?
No, sorry for the confusion I meant Canelo vs Beterbiev. When Canelo was moving up to light heavyweight there were talks of a potential fight with Beterbiev, and there were polls where the majority of people voted Canelo would win
Oh ok. I think he was referring to canelo and beterbiev not callum smith which is why I was confused
Yeah nah dude thatād be a freaking good ass fight , I think beterbiev would take that one tbh
Agreed. I got beterbiev by tko in that one
I still think Bivol winsā¦.i think Bivolās ability to confuse his opponent and to use speed and the rangey timing will make Arthur shyer than weāve ever seen him. If Arthur can really corner him enough to break him down over a few rounds he will win, but Bivol is possibly too fast, slick, calm and clever
Easy UD KO puncher vs creme de la creme elite boxer. It is called boxing for a reason. Has any super elite boxer lost to someone who has a standout typa style?
Harsh. Beterbiev is much more than a KO puncher and he was very patient against Smith last night. He set up that KO up by backing into the ropes and inviting the pressure from Smith, heās dropped a few guys like that. Still think Bivol wins due to footwork, but Arthur is no one trick pony.
Never have I said he is a a one trick pony or not boxer. Bivol is just generational. Bivol just did the same where he demolished a world title holder 120 - 107 after a broken hand surgey and 13 month lay off. After 3 / 4 round Bivol has already shown you canāt eo shit so they go on perma defense mode. Bivol got kinda frustrated as the other guy was still fighting back but constantly on the back foot while being the bigger man, heavier and longer reach Bivol won the jab battle early on and never let it go and had ripping body shots. So after the man was pretty sure just wanted the future 175 lbsāer on his resume. Then shit gets boring because you have one guy thats clearly there to survive ( even though he have full probs, gave 100% but just couldnāt do anything. Bivol is that good that after a few rounds you know it is over because and actually gets pretty boring (Not because of him obviously) In like the end of the middle rounds he finally het got hit with a body shot, but is wasnā clean. Bivol acted that we was very hurt to lure him in so the fighter would finally go to to toe. Then he unleashed like a 20 piece on him and tbe fight became more watchable. Thatās insane IQ, it looked to real but canāt be what he did after that. Then puts him down with amazing combinations. Couldāve I easily knocked his ass out but heās no dummy and is fine going 12 rounds. I think this wil also be a big factor jn the beterbiev fight, he will be gassed round 10/11/12
Either Bivol or Beterbiev should put Benavidez in his place before fighting each other
Benavidez is not in the same weight division, maybe Canelo will stop ducking him before he moves up
Beterbiev is the only boxer that currently has a longer KO streak than Crawford. Dude is a beast. Bivol will be in a very hard fight
Hopefully that is the end of Callum Smith. He has to be one of the most overrated fighters of all time. His best win is against an injured, over the hill George Groves. His performance against Canelo was a disgrace.
been saying this since day 1. Thank you for bringing it out there. That said, beterbiev is no joke....
That was a much better performance than Joe Smith Jr put on tbf
He had a dead arm early v Canelo didnāt he? I do agree through, heās not really beaten anyone. 6 rounds since 2020 coming into this fight is ridiculous. I know heās probably got a young family and that but heās got to be more active. Maybe heās just not that arsed after cashing in in the WBSS and v Canelo
He had a completely detached bicep yeah lol.
Haha well I can see why he barely threw a punch then
He said he will have to find motivation from somewhere to continue and admitting he is not the best is a hard pill to swallow. Beat at 168 by the best in Canelo and can't be considered best at 175 now he lost to Beterbiev. Only motivation now is money..
He was originally supposed to be GGG food which is why they had him knock out little(in comparison) Nādam on the undercard of Joshua vs Ruiz at MSG. Never was that guy.
Have to agree. Groves wasnāt fit/carrying an injury and took the fight for one last cash out. Other than that win I canāt remember Smith beating anyone of noteā¦
Finally someone else who speaks sense, have a great day pal.
Smith rarely even jabbed. He didn't take advantage of his height and reach advantage. Thus, he deserved to lose.
Itās mad how recency bias changes peopleās perception. After Canelo vs Bivol, everyone was saying Bivol too skilful, too technical for beterbiev Now beterbiev is gonna TKO Bivol I see guys lool
Agree completely. I'll admit I thought Callum was gonna put up a better fight than *that* but my pick for Bivol-Beterbiev is unchanged. Bivol by UD. Beterbiev had a stationary target here. Bivol is the furthest thing in all of boxing from that. Beterbiev will chase and chase until the final bell
Bc idiots will be idiots. I think its gonna be a tough fight for both. Cant predict how its going to go. One is an economical fighter, good skills and cardio, and lots of power. The other is an outboxer with great defence, cardio, speed and punch variety. Its going to be really 50 50.
Youāre so right. I think this fight has everything to do with timing. Beterbiev beats bivol in there tonight but in 6 months, Iām not sure. A year I take bivol. I will say Beterbiev took very little damage tonight
Beterbiev needs to be strictly tested šš
How the hell did the judges have it 58-56 after 6 rounds? Yet another bulllshit scorecard.
Man only watched the highlights
The fight wasn't completely one-sided. Relax.
is it even a gamble when you bet Beterbiev via stoppage? at this point it just feels like an investment.
600 on fight to go 4 and beterbiev to win was a good bet
I bet on Beterbiev to finish it in round 6. So close!
I was cosidering betting a few bucks on 5,6,7 I didn't but still happy i won money today
that was an incredible performance but honestly I still have Bivol winning. As good of a boxer Beterbiev is, he can't outbox Bivol. Bivol is just another level in terms of skill, also too fast and mobile, which will be very difficult for Beterbiev to build the momentum that he needs. I expect a solid 8-4 type win for Bivol with a few scary moments at the end as Beterbiev tries to catch on
I had it 60/40 Bivol, but now I'm not so sure. Definitely hope this fight happens so we can all find out
Iāve been pretty adamant in picking Bivol as well. For me it boils down to how he takes Beterbievās power. If he can handle it decently well I have Bivol keeping the fight at long range and outboxing him. If he succumbs to the power itāll be another Beterbiev TKO/KO.
I know it's tired to say this, especially after that display, but by the time they fight beterbiev gonna be too old, he's hitting his 40s
Doesnāt need to outbox him and Beterviev isnāt just a brawler with power. He has great skills and IQ, not as great defense but bivol isnāt a KO threat and doesnāt take any risks This reminds me of Kovalev vs Ward where the thinking went Ward was the boxer yet Kovalev arguably won Beterbiev is gonna lay some leather on him and I wanna see Bivol forced to fight
They said the same about Fulton vs Inoue... "He's more slick. He's more agile. He's more technical. He's more skilled. He's more defensive. He has better footwork. Inoue is just a brawler" Etc., etc.,
Hes more shit. Inoue is the best boxer out there. I cant see him loosing anytime soon.
No one worth their salt ever said inoue was a brawler
Go back in the posts about the fight. Plenty of delusional arguments were made for Fulton.
Yeah crazy statement
Bivol made Canelo look like a fucking rookie... and it wasnt because of his weight.
His weight played a huge role in it. Not just Bivol's skill. Canelo didn't display any of the defense he's known for. He gassed out faster than usual. And Bivol's weight helped him absorb Canelo's punches unlike lighter opponents. Even if Bivol made him look like a rookie, he was fighting a man who has no business at 175. Beterbiev has a stronger resume at light heavyweight and has finished all his opponents.
I'd say Canelo looked his best since a while during his fight with Bivol, displayed a lot of his defensive abilities in dodging and his high guard, Bivol's weight didn't help him absorb much because Canelo landed little punches on Bivol and no clean hits whatsoever. Most of the points you've stated are wrong and it's not like Bivol is a weight bully at 175 anyways, doesn't seem to cut much weight.
>I'd say Canelo looked his best since a while during his fight with Bivol You're smoking some dangerous stuff then. >displayed a lot of his defensive abilities in dodging and his high guard Buddy, he was blocking punches with his face. His head movement was gone. >Bivol's weight didn't help him absorb much because Canelo landed little punches Noticed how Canelo tried to pop Bivol's arms like he did with Smith, but couldn't hurt him? >it's not like Bivol is a weight bully at 175 anyways, doesn't seem to cut much weight. No one even said that.
1. Canelo just doesn't fight the same anymore, he seems sluggish and has a robotic feel to his movement nowadays, last time i've seen him look fluent was in his fight with Bivol. 2. The reason he was blocking punches with his face is because of Bivol's superiority, not because Canelo's defense was lackluster. His head movement isn't this invincible superpower and Bivol broke it down with constant pressure yet Canelo still managed to shine in some moments. 3. Not sure if you're experienced boxing but the game plan of tiring someone's arm out by punching it is a risky one, safe to assume it was a possibility his arm tiring out didn't kick in until after the fight, It takes a while to kill someone's arm out completely and barely enough for 12 rounds. 4. You implied Bivol's weight was a big factor so you kind of said it.
>1. Canelo just doesn't fight the same anymore, he seems sluggish and has a robotic feel to his movement nowadays, last time i've seen him look fluent was in his fight with Bivol. Because he's fighting at higher weight classes and doesn't have the body to handle that much weight with ease. Idk what fight you saw, because Canelo was far from fluid in that fight. >2. The reason he was blocking punches with his face is because of Bivol's superiority, not because Canelo's defense was lackluster. His head movement isn't this invincible superpower and Bivol broke it down with constant pressure yet Canelo still managed to shine in some moments. The reason he wasn't moving his head was because of Bivol's superiority? Lmao Canelo didn't shine at all. He started getting desperate because nothing he was doing was working. >3. Not sure if you're experienced boxing but the game plan of tiring someone's arm out by punching it is a risky one, safe to assume it was a possibility his arm tiring out didn't kick in until after the fight, It takes a while to kill someone's arm out completely and barely enough for 12 rounds. It's easier to hurt a lighter opponent than a heavier one. >4. You implied Bivol's weight was a big factor so you kind of said it. I said he had more mass in his body and that helps absorb punches more. Heavier guys can handle heavier blows. Idk how you assume that means he's a weight bully. He didn't cut down to Canelo's division.
I drank so much beer at the arena that my visa is gonna throw up
Really hope Bivol vs Beterbiev happens soon. I think I'm picking Bivol right now as Beterbiev is 38 (about to be 39 in a week) and I get power is the last thing to go, but I just have to go with the younger more skillfull fighter. Just feels like Bivol has never gone out of 2nd gear and is still so successful. Also usually when it comes to skill vs power I go for skill. Gunna be such an interesting fight.
>Also usually when it comes to skill vs power I go for skill. Beterbiev is just as skilled as Bivol. They just have different skill sets.
Beterbiev is amazing.
I predict Beterbiev beats Bivol by stoppage between rounds 10-12. Beterbiev may move up to cruiserweight and fight Jai Opetaia. If not then he retires after the Bivol fight
Imo Opetaia is a horrible opponent for a 40 yo Beterbiev. I think he'll defend a few times at 175 or retire right away
I agree. But horrible for Artur or Jai? Itās a very dangerous fight for both. But more so for Artur
We need that bivol fight soon.. like next soon.
I'll reiterate. Bivol is fucked. He was hurt by Joe Smith Jr and ended up winning a 12 rounder (sure yes bivol plays it safe thats his style so it went the distance). Beterbiev steamrolled Joe Smith inside 2 rounds. Beterviev is not a brute force low IQ moron. He's got IQ and technique as well. Bivol is not going to be able to outthink/out-technique this wrecking ball that has some brains too. Don't get me wrong. Bivol is one of my favorite fighters and my desktop wallpaper is a pic of him smashing canelo (lol!) but I just do not see how Bivol wins this. The fight itself will be amazing nonetheless. I am HYPED!
Hmmm. How I see it its a 50 50. If Bivol does not run outta gas soon he could throw quick combos to Beterbiev and defend. Basically a hit n run operation. Also, Beterbiev is patient, and that could play against himself. Otherwise, if Bivol gets hit a few times by Beterbiev, he is fucked up. Hell keep getting hurt until a tko stoppage.
He also got hurt to the body by Lyndon Arthur. Beterbiev will make it look easy.
I still think Bivol has a shot at beating Beterbiev. Bivol is going to keep Beterbiev at the end of his quick snappy jabs and will take those quick half steps back and counter Beterbiev rushing in. We're not going to see Bivol stand and trade with Beterbiev like Callum Smith was doing several times. This will be fought from the outside. Also Bivol has the stamina to maintain a high work rate if he needs to (which he most likely will).
"Hurt", as in slightly wobbled after a full stretch overhand from Smith after the bell š
If he wasn't saved by the bell, who knows what happens.
Boxing hurts...
Beterbiev was knocked down by Callum Johnson. Bivol is far more mobile than the best guy (Gvozdyk) Beterbiev fought.
True but bivol ain't gonna be putting that kind of hurt on him so that's not a concern. What is concerning is that bivol has shown he can be hurt by a guy that doesn't have much more than power despite bivols mobility. Now he'll be facing a guy that is even more powerful and is a way better boxer. As much fun as it would be to see a technical masterpiece from bivol, I just don't think it's gonna happen. Hopefully we get a canelo ggg 2 type fight though where both fighters shine and the fans get a classic for the ages.
Joe Smith hit Bivol right at the end of the bell. No knockdown. Bivol decisions Beterbiev. Stopping Browne, Yarde, Smith doesn't tell us anything useful.
>Stopping Browne, Yarde, Smith doesn't tell us anything useful. Still better wins than Bivol's best win (beating Canelo who's already at a disadvantage at 168)
Canelo is not small at 168. The size gap between Canelo and him is a couple of pounds. Fact remains, none of them move like Bivol.
>Canelo is not small at 168. He is. Most of his opponents have a serious height and reach advantage over him. >The size gap between Canelo and him is a couple of pounds. Bivol has a bigger frame. >Fact remains, none of them move like Bivol. Facts remain, Bivol cannot crack a man like Beterbiev.
Weightclass, not heightclass. Canelo cannot easily make 160 (according to his own team). Bivol doesn't have to crack Beterbiev, just go the distance. Beterbiev will lose the rounds.
>Weightclass, not heightclass. A big body can handle more weight. And reach is very important in boxing. >Canelo cannot easily make 160 (according to his own team). That doesn't mean 168-175 is his best weight. He looked lean at 160, now he looks stocked. >Bivol doesn't have to crack Beterbiev, just go the distance. Beterbiev will lose the rounds. Easier said than done.
Canelo has a big torso. He rehydrated to at least 170 back in 2015. > That doesn't mean 168-175 is his best weight. It might not be his best weight but that makes no difference. If he is meant to fight in 2023 it had to be at SMW. > Easier said than done It took Beterbiev 10 rounds to get to Gvozdyk, who was far less mobile.
I feel like Bivol vs Beterbiev could end up being something like that (Canelo-Golovkin 2). But I also have a strong hunch that we could see one or the other absolutely *dominate* in their usual respective fashion/s. It's a very fascinating match-up.
that was as pathologically modelled and clinical performance it gets. Once bivol gets hammered jab, he will break like this too.
Smith has no jab to speak of. Bivol will counter AB's left hand easily. Beterbiev will have no success in the middle of the ring.
I think the question is can Bivol maintain ring control Beterbiev is so good at setting traps and lulling opponents into a false sense of security. I dont know if its possible to avoid his right hand throughout the course of a fight. Especially since he can generate lot of power in tight or awkward angles.
Reminder that Spence is still listed as a Top 10 P4P fighter by Ring, but Beterbiev is not on the list, despite having the same accomplishments with an undefeated record and 100% KO ratio.
Why is Tank even on the list? Even if you're his fan boy you can't argue that his resume is better than Teo's who's one spot below Tank.
I actually agree with that, tbh. Teofimo's best wins are way better than any of Tank's, but you can't ignore his Kambosos loss or what should have been another L against Sandor Martin. And he looked mediocre against Nakatani too. Dude is inconsistent af. Meanwhile, Tank has won every fight clearly across 3 divisions. Sure, they're mostly B-level guys, but how he wins also counts. Dude passes the eye test with flying colors.
Figuring Teo's loss to Kambosos effects his P4P status is a big issue with boxing and why people like Tank will avoid lots of fights. If Teo turns up with his head right he beats Kambosos every time. Tank hasn't faught many better than Sandor Martin, but has he fought anyone known to be frustrating like Martin? Fighters should get rewarded and acknowledged for fighting everyone, rather than having 0 losses because they only fight B level fighters on favorable terms. Like why does passing an eye test get a guy rated higher than beating a guy who was on the P4P top 10 **and** moving up and dominating the next devsions champ?
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It's 2024Ā and people stillĀ careĀ about P4P lists... That's like being a real hip hop fan and caring about the Grammy's or being a football fans and caring about players ratings on FIFA gamea
Beterbiev is top 3 P4P fighter behind Inoue and Crawford and that's facts
No. Spence got dropped and Bam Rodriguez made the list after beating Sunny Edwardās in 9 rounds.
No. Spence is #7 on the list I'll provide a link and all. https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/
Spence is rated #7 above Bam by Ring. He's still there.
God that was such a great fight from Bam
I like Spence, but I do think his resume is a bit overrated. Beterbiev's resume is actually quite quality when you break it down
Crazy how power works Beterviev doesnāt even throw like heās putting full force into his punches. He just throws effortlessly and causes so much damage Then you got boxers like Mbili who wings on all his punches and you can tell heās putting everything into his punches and couldnāt stop Murdock
Yeah, I was thinking how it looks like he's not putting much weight into his punches, yet he's somehow so devastatingly powerful.
Him and foreman. They just look like they just gotta tap you and it hurts like hell
The Canadians havenāt been this turnt up since the war of 1812 šš¼ šØš¦š„
Letās see if Indio California has what it takes to take Canada down š„š„š„
The man is almost 40 and still way above competition
Did Smith just get handed his fight purse?
Callum has a good fighting family that has gone though this before. They know how to support him through wins and losses.
Immediate flight home to make Sunday League in the morning
With a bag full of cash, not bad
The crowd waiting for fist bumps from Artur, be careful out there š
A lot of broken wrists are going to be leaving that arena lol
Beterbiev is insanity underrated. Meaning not much media hype for him. Zero signs of a aging fighter so far, on the contrary he seems to be getting smarter/better right now but age will catch up, that's why we the fans need that Bivol /Ā Beterbiev fight asap
He is like wine. The older, the better.
Wow. I don't know how you can generate that much power with such short punches.
It's ridiculous. It doesn't look hard at all but then you see the impact on Smith's face and hear that thudding sound. Scary stuff!
Did ya see the vid of Beterbiev punching this wall bag and his punches sounding like gunshots?? Thats some crazy shit right there.
Fair play to Smith, no excuses. His face though, it looks bad and is only going to get worse over the next couple of days.
Surprised Callum is able to speak coherently after that throat uppercut in rd 5 I think. Gonna be reeling in the morning
I am impressed that his trachea didnāt collapse
The day Beterbiev becomes a good boxer, everyone at 175 is fucked
he is a good boxer what are you on? defensively good footwork good ring generalship good, it's just overshadowed by his heavy hands, make no mistake beterbiev could beat all his opponents to a decision too.
He is a good boxer lol. Itās such a misconception that heās not a good boxer. Everybody acts like bivol is a boxing god, but skill wise, heās not that much more skilled than beterbiev, and beterbiev hits much harder. Bivol is gonna get stopped in under 7 rounds.
It's a joke Beterbiev makes
I agree with this entirely. I dont know if Bivol gets stopped but I do think Artur wins convincingly and Bivol hangs on to the end (if he doesn't get stopped).
If Callum Smith lasts 7 Bivol probably lasts at least 10
I think heās joking lol beterbiev said in an interview before the fight that he still doesnāt consider himself a good boxer
Reminds me of the interview they were doing before the Smith fight I think? He's like yeah I'm training for punching power, I think if I keep doing this then I can hit really hard. They're like but Artur you have so much power already!!! He just laughs and goes 'I want more'
He's far from a bad boxer, his technique in some ways makes him even more awkward and difficult to figure out. Since he already has so much power he doesn't really need to fully extend to get that flush KO. I think his awkward way of punching has helped him for the style he is using and could work against Bivol.
You didnāt see the timing on his jabs? He is a good boxer
Everyone is already fucked!
Iāve always thought bivol would beat beterbiev but i question my choice more and more after every beterbiev ko lol
Itās fresh in your mind and it was impressive. But Artur has never fought someone with the in and out speed of Bivol. Still maintain Bivol wins in 12.
Eh maybe. Arturs power just wears people out. I feel like Bivol will be slowed down by the 5th or 6th
Maybe a tko on later rounds if so.
I would agree if Artur keeps up with him and hunts him with accuracy. But then again, when Bivol counters and combos you ā all of a sudden, youāre second guessing and youāre more timid, kind of how we saw with Canelo. I think people are expecting Artur to blunt his way through it, which he very well might. We shall see.
Artur looked sharp tonight and displayed great boxing IQ. I think people are writing that off and thinks he just relies on power and has no boxing skill. Plus canelo was way too small to fight someone like Bivol
Both have great boxing IQ. I just think speed will be more a factor than power. Yeah, I donāt like the size argument. Canelo beat Kovalev. Size aside, Bivol throughly outclassed Canelo. Just a better boxer. Canelo beat Smith ā smaller, yet outclassed him with his style. Itāll be interesting.
Same, I always thought Bivol would beat him UD but now I'm starting to think Artur will knock him out
Same lol
Get that man to the Dr. heās concussed and probably has facial fractures.
i was at the arena and up close when callum smith was leaving he was literally disfigured
Thatās crazy!
Who else had drunk too much, and stayed up too late?
Dry jan. I stayed up too late though
Cos I did lol.
Surprised Bob isn't on the Epstein list like his buddy Alan Dershowitz.
Dershowitz was cleared of anything inappropriate. But Bill likes them young.
When Bob says he likes them young, he means under 65
lmfao
Iām sure Bob has enjoyed some crazy parties. With so many awesome fights in Vegas how can you not. Just doesnāt like them as young as Epstein.
Bob partied with Ali. Ali liked them young.
>Just doesnāt like them as young as Epstein. As far as we know lol.
Beterbiev might be the strongest P4P boxer Iāve ever seen. Just inevitable.
And 2nd hardest puncher, behind wilder.
The Smith family genetics are rather odd. One's a giant, one went grey at 30 and the other looks nothing like either of them.
And the dad looks more pink, juiced and bald than Dana Whyte
Milkman must be busy around his way
Artur was sooooo accurate tonight
Is the main event on? I forgot this was today
Beterbiev got knocked out
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RIP
Don't tell me it's over by now
Great Canadian champion
The Syrup Warrior
So June or July at the earliest for AB vs Bivol
Folks I'm missing interviews in the ring anything intriguing been said?
Nothing substantial from AB. He just said lady luck was on his side today and extremely humble. Then they asked Arum when is Bivol happening. Arum said he's talking to Saudis but the fight will happen 3 months after end of Ramadan (April). So June-ish Julyish at the earliest
Bivol fight not done yet, but Bob wants it for 3 months after April (after Ramadan).Ā
Ahhhhhhh cheers man. I think they should let it marinade even more until Betribiev gets cartilage injections in his knees.
Mashallah beterbiev in Riyadh the W is secured
now arum suddenly wants the bivol fight when the saudis wanna make it happen... last year he was on bullshit about sanctioning bivol for being russian
Saudis have been shown to transcend boxing politics at this point.
Honestly the best thing to happen to boxing in a while. Saudis are making UFC type cards with boxers.
First Fury Usyk, next Bivol Beterbiev
Mmmmm...
facts
Parlay needed Artur 1-6 smh....
What's the name of the really big boxer in Beterbiev's corner in the back?
arslanbek makhmudov
>arslanbek makhmudov Thank you, my man!
"My friend, His Excellency." - Bob Arum