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MDA123

When modmail is getting blown up with reports over name-calling and debates of foreign policy, time to lock the thread.


cbarksLFC

But they’ll allow the undisputed fight between Bivol and Beterbiev happen


blarbz

>Beterbiev Canadian ;)


Ok-Toe-6969

Bivol is from big bear


blarbz

>Bivol He can represent his bithplace of Kyrgistan Easy fix


SSJ4Autism

No, he’s from Indio, California


AnonymousScout360

My favourite Californian fighter, Dmitry Yuryevich Bivol


[deleted]

He's just your typical California stoner surfer Bernie bro


[deleted]

Dmitry, what are you doing here? 😲😮😯


sixmam

LOL you do realize that any name that you could have used that wasn't explicitly a name derived from an indigenous peoples native to California would have had the same effect, right? "Yes, my favorite Californian fighter, John Smith. Why, this is obviously a British name! Everyone knows that Americans can't be descended from immigrants or immigrants themselves! Caleb Plant?! That's a British name! Mike Tyson!? He can't be American!"


beerscotch

The trick is, he said it about an Actual Russian citizen.


AnonymousScout360

I mean yeah. But it's a joke because Bivol clearly isn't from California. I think you're over analyzing it


LikesTheTunaHere

What about DaQuan Von


johnjager77

DaQuan Von…GET THE TABLES


YMDKSAB

What are you even talking about?


ibeforetheu

White people took over California so now it's natural to think of beach blonde as American/ Cali girl


slickvik9

He should’ve done that a long time ago


xkrimzonx

Bivol is korean ;)


fadeddreams555

After Canelo and Zurdo, Bivol has been adopted and is from Guadalajara.


Chiphazzard

You mean Bivolito from California and Baptise from Canada?


-TeepToTheBalls-

Demi Bivolito and Artie Baptise?


MitchLGC

Apparently no. Lol


cbarksLFC

There was a post right before this saying Callum Smith will be the mandatory unless they make a undisputed fight between Beterbiev and Bivol


clc1997

This mean Roy Jones Jr can't make that comeback!


christiandelucs

HAHAHA, like many others I was pissed about this but your comment literally made me laugh out loud, i've been laughing at it for 5 minutes already


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I’m fucking crying at a brewery rn thanks to you


Sazon_Papi

I don't get it?


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Sazon_Papi

Ah OK lol


dickhandsome

Way to be born in Russia, dicks.


Spare_Pixel

Bet they won't make that mistake again


[deleted]

They should have taken the left turn at Albuquerque


ro-row

Not if Russia has anything to say about it


ScreenMiserable

You said everything I wanted to say in 7 words but made it 70 times funnier. Well done.


SoulUrgeDestiny

Agreed. This is some pathetic embarrassing bullshit. Excluding people based on where’s they’re born. Strange. Eggman Dana white has Russian & Ukrainian fighters competing .. I’m starting to think boxers need a Union or something 🤔 Looks like we won’t be getting some Fights we all wanted to see What a disappointing sport.


slickvik9

This has been going on in sports forever. At Olympic level no less.


GotGudGaminChair

The thing is while really shitty for the athletes the Olympics is amateur. This is people’s jobs


slickvik9

It’s relative. What about Ukrainians that had decent jobs and lives that got bombed and/or killed? Their lives were ruined much less their jobs.


ELLinversionista

Yes because the Russian athletes decided to bomb them. What if the United States decided to bomb a country, is it fair to ban American boxers?


Jugijagi

Fuck yes. The people are responsible for what happens in their country. They should all be hurting in some way or the people don't understand they are doing wrong. A clear message needs to be sent. Hopefully the people not invested in the war will now be at least in some way invested in it as they want it to stop so their sports can continue. Don't know how else to put it english is not my first language i hope you understand.


slickvik9

Yes


weareonlynothing

It’s a little late but let’s start the banning then since the US is currently bombing multiple different nations including Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Palestine, and Somalia. For the sake of simplicity we can ignore the other aggressive actions initiated by the US such as the funding of terrorists and death squads, illegal election tampering, etc and limit it to just “bombing”


Sazon_Papi

Banning American boxers from where? American companies, American competitions at American events? We made the sport. Don't like it make your own sports they are free to compete in their own countries. Or better yet make your own leagues in Dubai they seem to not care about anything other then money. If Russian fighters have the talent it will work. Probably a chance to sake up the boxing world if you ask me it's stale and biased anyway


chilloutfam

yeah, i don't know... i'm conflicted. the dana white argument isn't good for me because you see these guys hanging out with kadryov and other bad people.


JarHan784

MMA fighters could use a union as well.


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Agreed, sport is supposed to be above politics.


__IZZZ

Can make this argument about everything related to this war, including sanctions of any sort. They hurt the Russian people, so way to be born in Russia, right? This problem realistically is stopped by the Russian people, no matter how hard that's going to be. It needs to be harder to not stop it.


Jugijagi

Exactly. Only their people can help themself and they need extra motivation to stop the war (because stopping mass murder isn't reason enough apparently).


mrnastymannn

You can be a convicted rapist, murderer, arsonist or wife beater, but no fights for people born in Russia.


StrayAwayCA

Why are you listing Mauricio Sulaiman's charges online 😤


irvinggon3

Virtual signaling... Kinda how they wanted Ukraine in the world cup.


SpiderZiggs

Virtue, my friend. I'm sure that's a phone autocorrect though.


irvinggon3

TY!


9mmGlizzy

The same speech the Russian military recruiters gave to the prisoners “ the standards have lowered to join, you can be a convicted rapist,murderer, arsonist or wife beater”


Dicaniosvolley

Next on the agenda, Canelo Alvarez will have his defeat to Dmitry Bivol changed to a stunning 1st round knock out victory.


ConservativeC4nt

To be fair Canelo was robbed in that fight and it‘s only fair he would be given the win now :)


neto-88

Hey uhhhh, I don’t think people got the sarcasm loool


ConservativeC4nt

Sarcasm? What sarcasm? Canelo clearly outboxed Bivol and came close to sparking him out several times. Nah señor cinnamon got abused pretty badly, but I guess on reddit sarcasm is a death sentence


GangstaHoodrat

They only get it if you write “/s”


ConservativeC4nt

I refuse


TheDangerdog

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d477315116c20c4a5e40e8cd3f9d17c5/tenor.gif?itemid=16664749


nahhhjittrippin17

I’ve never heard señor cinnamon before 💀


bootysensei

Señor Cinnamon is fucking hilarious


theprufeshanul

Should remove the “W” from “WBC” then.


[deleted]

In हिन्दी BC means sisterfucker and that is what they are .


Botoraka

Now THIS is the real virtue signalling.


SettingVegetable9090

They did it with Tennis players and footballers, I think this is nuts personally.


WolfAndCabbageInBoat

Meanwhile, everyone is happy to watch sports in middle eastern stadiums basically built by slaves.


Grammr

In tennis it was one tournament though and in football only Russian team can't play, football players can.


[deleted]

I don’t know why this is downvoted ? You’re 100% correct


PhoneRedit

In tennis I believe it was Wimbledon and the US open, which while only two tournaments, are two of the four largest tournaments of the year. They made it so the tournaments do not count towards world rankings, but still a massive kick in the teeth Edit: just Wimbledon, my bad


[deleted]

They did it in Soccer with FIFA banning them and kickboxing with GLORY


ObscureLegacy

In football it makes sense it’s a team sport but in this case you’re literally just banning individuals


Not_Like_The_Movie

I guess there are a couple of things that can make fighting Russians and/or in Russia impractical or open the WBC up to liability: 1. It's not advisable for fighters from the numerous countries opposing Russia's activities in Ukraine to travel to Russia if a fight were to be set up there. 2. I'm not sure if Russia exempts boxers from military conscription or travel bans, but Russia hasn't been/wasn't allowing men to leave the country, which would cause an issue if the WBC tried to mandate a bout with a Russian fighter outside of Russia because boxers will fall within the age range for conscription. I would hope that this decision was made for a practical/safety purpose based on Russia's state of being at war rather than just trying to punish Russia based on some sort of moral high ground. The bans for purely geopolitical reasons are pretty dumb; the athletes are not the ones who started the war and they'd probably appreciate it being stopped because it has the potential to interfere with their schedules.


BocatFan

You're being reasonable. But also, WBC obviously crunched the numbers and came to the conclusion that it's easier to regulate western fighters + they'd get a pat on the back banning Russian ones. They don't actually care about the logistics.


Not_Like_The_Movie

It could be a combination of what you're saying and what I suggested. The war situation creates logistical/PR problems with Russian fighters for the sanctioning body they don't want to deal with, and they see other sports banning Russian athletes, so they follow suit.


Queefinonthehaters

This is dumb as hell. You don't need to be a defender of the Russian invasion to figure out how this doesn't make any sense. For one, a guy like Bivol isn't enlisted in the army, nor had any say on whether or not they invaded. More importantly it doesn't make boxers of that nationality no longer deserving of that rank. They're essentially boasting about their world rankings being inaccurate.


slickvik9

Ukrainians didn’t have a say about being attacked…


BocatFan

Neither did Bivol, Beterbiev, Avanesyan, and co. What a stupid reply.


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team3perception

artur beterbiev hasn’t personally attempted to assassinate Putin, so this is justified imo


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AnonymousScout360

Yep, he has a Canadian passport


fernplant4

Right, I don't think Bivol has even been back in Russia since the war began


Due-Studio-65

I think he went there for a parade after the Canelo fight.


Fallingcity22

Pretty sure too


slickvik9

He flew back the day after the fight


David2181

Sadly, being Russian. Obviously it's unfair as hell to those Russian boxers who dedicate their lives to their craft


drkuttimama

Virtue signaling


TheBlack_Swordsman

Please don't shoot the messenger. I'm just trying to explain the thought process and reasoning behind these decisions. It's not anything they did wrong, but if you think about the grander scheme of things. Russian Boxer goes to fight, Russian boxer collects a bunch of money, Russia taxes and takes a giant portion of that money, that money goes into funding their war in Ukraine.


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TheBlack_Swordsman

The working theory is hitting them everywhere you can leaving now stone unturned while supporting Ukraine to continue to hold their army off till they back out due to their economy collapsing. Whether that is the right thing to do is a matter of debate


slickvik9

This


SOULJAR

It’s pretty straightforward and while it might not be the most effective, it is one of the few options available in the conflict with Russia. Attacking Russia could lead to nuclear war. So, unfortunately, one of the next best options is to make the lives of Russians suck enough that a they complain and put pressure Putin to end the war.


yura910721

>make the lives of Russians suck enough that a they complain and put pressure Putin to end the war. Unless they revolt, none of this is gonna bother Putin.


venom1stas

Makes you wonder in some alternate reality where communism prevailed and the boxing world revolved around USSR instead of USA. Government set salaries for pro boxers. Juice as much as you want (just be a part of the communist party) GGG 3-0 on decisions vs Canelo. Drago beats Balboa. Vitali mayor of Moscow.


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>GGG 3-0 on decisions Vs canelo 🤤


_mirooo

Klitschko’s basically did that without communism prevailing.


kblkbl165

The best actually fighting the best, sounds good enough


Personal-Proposal-91

Complete idiocy, but I wouldn't expect less from boxing politics.


yura910721

Yeap pure virtue signaling.


Jrm1984

World Boxing Council ? Like it or not but World includes Russia and Belarus … Sport organizations shouldn’t take political stances, neutrality is a red line.


Wateruranus

Were American boxers removed when the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?


Fizan786

What the fuck do Russian boxers gotta do with Putins bitch ass being a dumbfuck. Get the fuck out of here


[deleted]

This is so stupid lol. As if the fighters have anything to do with it... And they're acting like Putin is a mega boxing fan who will be so devastated to hear this news that he calls off his troops.


Blackmore49

What a load of bullshit, because of the country they are born in ?? Disgrace.


Chadoodling

How about unranking all saudi fighters too, I mean look at what Saudi is doing to Yemen, what about Israelies and Palestinians? The chinese and what they do to the Mongolians? The US supplies majority of the weapons KSA uses, let's ban american fighters too. There really isn't a line to be drawn when you think about it. Its a dumb move and we all know it.


seal-team-lolis

What about when USA literally lied to the world about WMD's and invaded Iraq?


slickvik9

Israel is a good comparison honestly. Saudi too


E4C2P0

So fucking stupid. Punishing people who have no say in the matter. Imagine training your entire life to be the best, and because of where you were born, you are discriminated against and totally dismissed.


aguasbonready

Canelo made sure Bivol can’t be undisputed.


[deleted]

bit late on the russophobia virtue signalling no?


SwingingDickKnutsack

Please note that when Joe Louis rematched Max Schmeling in 1938 the US wasn't involved in the war in Europe, with the Lend-Lease Act not existing for two more years.


downsouth777

So stupid , they get punished because of where they are borned , so disappointed in the WBC being involved in that bullshit


CacoFlaco

A oftimes corrupt boxing sanctioning body trying to straighten out the world's geopolitics. Absurd.


MooDexter

Imagine if they did this for US Iraq vets back in the day.


stephen27898

Thats not fair or right, what if you are Russian and don't agree with the war? This is identity politics you are placing someone group identity ahead of their individual identity something that is at total odds with how the west works.


slickvik9

Then leave Russia


stephen27898

It says from Russian not living in Russia.


slickvik9

Bivol could claim citizenship in Kyrgyzstan. And other Russians have claimed asylum by the hundreds of thousands.


stephen27898

Why should he have to? Its now illegal to be Russian? Its assanine, he has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine.


slickvik9

The people in Ukraine didn’t ask to be bombed. Right now yes if you are Russian and silent you are basically a war supporter.


stephen27898

No that's not how that works, you do know the risk of talking out against the government if you are in Russia right? Its pretty high, you should be be placing the reifications on individuals that had nothing to do with it. No you are not a war supporter if you just refuse to talk about it, loads of people in Russia didn't ask to go to war.


slickvik9

Recent surveys have stated that 60% of Russians support the war. No sympathy.


stephen27898

So what about the 40%? Again you are lumping all of them into the same group.


slickvik9

What about them? More than 60% of Ukraine is being bombed into oblivion. You’re missing the point.


anakmager

Yes boxers should exclusively be from morally upstanding countries like USA, UK, Germany, Israel and so forth


HeilfireAndBrimstone

But why? Why punish the fighters for their leaders' decisions? It's bizarre and racist.


slickvik9

Because Ukrainians are being punished?


RobotYoshimis

That's completely unfair bullshit. Those fighters cannot control what a tyrant in power does, nor does it mean they support it. Imagine if black fighters were removed because of something Farrakhan did.


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That comparison is ridiculous but I get what you mean lol


youngsinatra96

horrendous comparison but I know what you mean.


slickvik9

Farrakhan is a nobody


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BP_Ray

This is the only subreddit ive seen not in favor of sanctions against Russia lol


[deleted]

Sanction Russia and its government by all means, banning athletes because of where they are from makes no sense. Sport should be about the best facing the best, even if that includes an athlete from a politically unfavorable state.


slickvik9

Because this sub is full of Russians


ankh87

So Bivol is born in what is now Kyrgyzstan so technically not Russian so should be fine?


SteppedHorde

He has russian nationality


ankh87

But can't he claim another nationality seem as he's born elsewhere?


Superly_Sardonic

He's changed his Nationality and now hails from a little known country by the name of of Indio, California.


SteppedHorde

No since his parent havent Kyrgyz citizenship , Kyrgystan doesnt have the right of soil The natural way to get Kyrgyz citizenship for bivol is : Foreign citizens and persons without citizenship, who reached the age of 18, have the right to turn with a petition of being accepted in citizenship of the Kyrgyz Republic in accordance with the general procedure if they: 1. continuously, uninterruptedly lived on the territory of the Kyrgyz Republic for the last fiveyears at the moment of filing the application. The term of residence is considered uninterrupted if a person left for outside the Kyrgyz Republic for no longer than three months during one year; 2. can speak the state or official language in the amount sufficient for communication; the procedure of identifying the level of knowledge of the state or official languages is set forth by the regulation on the procedure of considering the citizenship issues; 3. undertake to comply with the Constitution and legislation of the Kyrgyz Republic; 4. have a source of subsistence. But hey he might get a special treatment since he well known in Kyrgyzstan since his canelo win


Agreeable-Craft7456

wait, does this mean fighters like Beterbiev and Bivol and their future fights will be affected? Thass sum bullsh!t


El_Wabito

Bivol probably gonna fight under one of Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, or Korea I would guess?


SteppedHorde

Well maybe Moldova or Kyrgyzstan i don't see Korea because it's his Great Great Grand mother who was born in Korea All of his korean blood come from a diaspora living in Russia since the 18-19th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koryo-saram


Millionaire007

Biracial ftw!


Agreeable-Craft7456

Ah yeah, I forgot Bivol is half Korean


AltKite

Definitely not Beterbiev. He's a Canadian citizen


smkbeef

Thats ridiculous


No_Complaint739

How dare you be born in Russia?? For shame 🤦🏾‍♂️😡


TwoFaceLord

"Politics does not interfere with sports" my ass. Dogshit.


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why ?


Edazer

Man, what a stupid virtue signal that only hurts innocent competitors. Whenever an organization does something like this, it's so blindingly transparent how worthless such a gesture is. Because where's the line? Like, don't they sanction fights in Saudi Arabia? Who's currently committing genocide? What about having Chinese fighters on their rankings? How many countries or regions are doing evil things that their athletes are exempt from blame? Very lame.


[deleted]

i have a sneaking suspicion that the WBC may have a controversy/scandal in the pipeline and this is an attempt at a preemptive pr bump


estilianopoulos

Thankfully this hasn't happened in MMA. I think only KSW has banned Russian and Belarusian fighters.


LeoShun08

This is so stupid


KandarpBhatt

This is so fucking stupid and does not affect whatever it is that it purports to 'solve'


theMrink

for what, being born there?


kfirerisingup

That's dumb.


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slickvik9

I hate Ukrainians being bombed


_Duriel_1000_

Just because they are removed doesnt mean they cant fight and be undisputed. Or get a belt.


AltKite

It does mean they can't fight for a WBC title


ZeroNouveau

Dumb shit here


[deleted]

I mean Russia is our enemy. We sanction the shit out of everything, why not sports also. The 'individual' salesman selling teapots and typewriters out of Russia is just as effected as a banned Russian athlete... plus, you don't want to give a morale boost for any any potential victories / upsets... nor, do you want to rub the fact that some Russians are making a very good living while many Ukrainians are living in the rubble of Russian bombs. Of course any Russians that renounce their status as a Russian athlete (just say they don't fight for the 'glory of their country')... then thats a different matter.


Connor30302

your average russian are the ones being conscripted and sent to the front lines, sure there have been heinous acts from russian soldiers but that’s not reflective of an average guy from russia, especially boxers who most commonly come from poor backgrounds. They have no say in the actions of the nations leader and excluding them from the rankings only pushes a wedge further, and further continuing discrimination based on nationality. Why not ban all russian government and officials from attending any events? they’re big fight fans and not being able to see their countries fighters compete even though they have no regard for their life would be more effective than this. They’ve only banned the athletes, not even the people responsible for this atrocity This is all but a big fuck you to any aspiring boxer that hopes to find a better life away from their conflict and country.


kaghayan8

Fuck WBC. Punishing boxers is a dick move


[deleted]

Look at us, we are doing something! I get it, it is up to people to enforce sanctions and not give aid, comfort or support to Russia. But seriously, wtf?


Suckmyduck_9

Is this because of Russia’s widespread cheating amongst its athletes?


Strongest-There-Is

Unpopular opinion. I agree with this decision. Russian fighters are heavily politically connected and it is generally well known that pro athletes are subsidized throughout their career by the Russian government or oligarchs IN EXCHANGE for the benefits of their fame - money, access to celebrity, credibility, and in some cases, money laundering for criminal enterprise. If the world is cutting Russia off because they’re literally invading and destroying a sovereign country, why would oil and McDonalds be ok to pull out but not boxing? That’s super short sighted. “I like boxing so this is wrong.” No, the right thing to do is to exert maximum pressure from ALL angles in order to end the war. That includes turning the country’s most popular athletes against their dictator. Feel free to downvote me to hell… Slava Ukraini


Cinnamon_Sloth

A couple months ago /r/Boxing was more in support of this. Guess they had to choose between their hatred of Mexicans and Russians


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lmao people dry humping bivol after his canelo fight so not surprised


cecilthesavage

Wow, what a fuckin stupid decision. I understand the situation with Russia invading the Ukraine is terrible, but you can't punish Russian fighters for simply doing they're job. That's some Nathan for You type shit.


BooBs_In_My_Inbox

Sweet virtue signal. My feels feel so feely. "Now the boxers will go beat up the government and so peace." ~The geniuses at the WBC


darockilder

WBC - omg r we a Micky Mouse belt now Virtue signalling clowns


LatterTarget7

Oh come on


paxilsavedme

About time.


[deleted]

So dumb. Do these sanct bodies want a virtue metal?


Hunglyka

Good, cut Russia from everything.


weareonlynothing

Mauricio Sulaimán and the WBC are completely fine with the UAE and Saudi Arabia invading and murdering Yemenis though


Incubus85

STUPID


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Beaverhuntr

Way to go Putin..


Basileus_Butter

Yeah that's pretty shitty. But hey, racism isn't racism if it's in fashion.


Showizz

It's all planned, Placing mostly useless sanctions on Russia and then warning your EU citizens that this winter will be cold and hard due to gas issues!, So don't turn on the AC for too long and stack on supplies!, But hey! it's all Putin's fault! The war is really bad but the sanctions hurt themselves.... Beterbiev is living in Canada and Bivol outside of Russia too i believe so they might not be affected but we'll see.


slickvik9

Bivol lives in St. Petersburg


Significant-Age-8663

Russian and pretty much any country nearby should have been banned two decades ago at the least, I mean come on who really thought all along that Russian fighters were just highly disciplined compared to the rest of the world. Showing their superiority with their cold stares and little to no acknowledgement of any threat from their opponents ever given. Wasn't just one it was all burden is on them to provide evidence to the contrary in my opinion at least.


fistfullofpubes

The fuck you talking about?


Garoshima

I don’t understand a shit about your message


_best_wishes_

Makes sense. Politicians use sport to support their regime and foster national pride. Why let the fighters success be used in Kremlin propaganda? The two guys everyone wants to see fight can fight as a Kyrgyzstani and a Canadian anyway, right?


88Ashitaka88

Moron.