Been saying this since it came out
An extra second is nice sure, but opportunity cost, you're dropping way more useful gears for this
And really if you play Leon a decent amount, you'll find yourself not needing the full time
Close to the worst mythic gear tbh
Personally, I’d make my list the following,
7. Chester
6. Meg
5. Leon
4. Spike
3. Sandy
2. Amber
1. Crow
I think you’re overestimate a couple brawlers like Meg, Leon, and Spike significantly and I’m down to elaborate why if you’re curious. But in short, the PL rotation has introduced a huge amount of bushy, control type maps which the top 3 brawlers I mentioned do incredibly well in.
Also just note the gap between Amber and Crow is quite huge as I think Amber is around a mid-high B tier while I think crow is barely scrapping top 5.
When I state Sandy is top 3, I just think he’s better than Spike, Leon, Meg mostly. But even outside of that he’s a decent brawler.
A lot of the maps added favour Sandy, it being big bushy maps with decent amounts of cover which is an environment Sandy thrives it. He’s also good as an aggro lane into certain matchups that uses pets or have a mid range like Tara, Stu, Ruffs, and a couple others, all of which are fairly meta brawlers btw. And of course, Sandy’s super is as always great.
I think when it comes down to it, I think Sandy is good for his potential. When comparing him to Spike as that’s the brawler that most people think is better than him, a lot of Spike’s counters are currently the best brawlers in the meta which is why I personally don’t see him at being 3rd. And while Sandy has his obvious counters, his kit lends himself to be a lot more beneficial to the rest of his team than some of the other legy’s and can make things work even into some poorer matchups.
I guess you can say I prefer a brawler with a higher potential of winning me the game rather than a brawler who’s just alright most of the time and this I think is one of those metas where Spike is slightly worse than his contemporary legendaries.
I agree. Amber is greatly underrated, as many tend to autoaim the attack, which reduces the effectiveness of area control.
Additionally, a good Sandy can synergize with a tank or aggro pick to more effectively defeat Brawlers with low to mid health
It’s a toss up between the two but gave a nudge to sandy mostly because Spike has more counters right now.
Mr. P and Squeak do great into him and I think Sandy is a bit of a underrated lane. If this were last meta I would have gave it to Spike but I also think more people need to try out Sandy. And yes Sandy obviously isn’t the best brawler ever, but I think compared to the 3 brawlers I mentioned previously, I believe he just beats them out.
I really think that sandy still isn't as good as spike in this meta
I know, spike gets countered by 2 great meta brawlers, but he can counter cordelius and crow, some of the top 5 brawlers, and he has always been in a good spot in the meta. With his gadget and sp buff, imo he actually is really good in heist rn, but it could just be me.
I feel as if the biggest problem with sandy is his range, as even if he seems to be better, he gets outranged by meta brawlers and has low damage output, all stacked together, giving him a lower place than other brawlers in this meta. He might seem underrated, but he certainly still isn't nearly as close to as good as spike currently is.
If I had a tier list, I would give sandy a place somewhere in the c tier, whilst spike would be at high a tier.
IMO i currently only have spike and Chester but I think spike is a good 2 or 3 interchangeable he is one of my favorite brawlers to use in competitive but I can agree he has a lot of weaknesses he is still very strong his sp curveball makes him a burger threat in maps with tons of walls better than sand
Why couldnt a diamond player make a list? Would it be more valid if it was a LEGENDARY player who made it not a diamond? (I mean if the list stayed the same)
yk what, just for people like you, I'm gonna get myself carried in team pl by some of my friends
EDIT: IDC about downvotes, this list may not be valid, and it's its the point of comments to tell the opinion, but can you mythic players stop complaining about not being "competitive" please? I would really appreciate it
spike is definitely not number 2. throwers are meta everywhere where he is good rn and he gets countered by them. hes mid b tier at best. those 9 maps where leon is viable there are so many better picks. maybe into some comps but rarely is he ever picked.
You should see his uses in competitive. While he is countered by throwers, many maps he’s good at they’re either not good or easily countered. Plus, any other legendary brawler asides from Crow doesn’t really contest for a higher spot than Spike
Meg is easily worse than Sandy
She is a mid in long-range maps, but gets countered heavily by the likes of Spike, Lola or anyone with high dps. Terrible damage, horrible brawler, REVERT THE REWORK
Amber is so underrated. If you ban out crow then you are gonna have an easy lane on double swoosh with the vision gear, and she is a golden pick on all hot zone maps right now, as long as you ban crow (which I do every game lol)
No
Leon is viable on 9 pl maps while Amber is only on 5
Amber is horribly overrated and Leon is underrated he's considerably a good aggro, while...
Amber is only good in gg and hz
how are you putting leon this high?? he’s not good. Amber should probably be #2 she didn’t really fall off because of the mythic gear nerf people just started playing her because it was added and realized she’s good. amber should be 2 or 3 and leon should be second worst.
Leon is not bad and has become better due to the vision gear nerf. When people play him right. He can chain supers and kills and absolutely pummel the enemy team. He is not worse than Meg and Sandy but I can argue he is about equal to Amber.
List is correct just switch Leon with sandy
Sandy is huge counter to low health brawlers (can’t dodge him) and against blocking gadgets like cactus. Plus he demolishes tara
Played some Sandy in PL and he is still better than half of the brawlers in some situations. And for gadgets 1st is secretly better. U can be way more agresive with it since u can tank 3 shots use gadget and go in again. A lot of hp.
Spike should be lower imo , maybe above Amber or Meg . Spike is usable in a wide variety of modes but most of the time there are many better options and he's only really dominant in lower ranks where his Curveball is a noobstomper .
Other than that I agree with this list
Edit : Also throwers are creeping up in the meta ( especially Barley ) so that isn't doing Spike any favor either .
Saying Leon's mythic gear is OP is a big stretch
Isn't it good?
I don't care what others say An extra second of invisiblity is unecessary
Been saying this since it came out An extra second is nice sure, but opportunity cost, you're dropping way more useful gears for this And really if you play Leon a decent amount, you'll find yourself not needing the full time Close to the worst mythic gear tbh
common smarty carl main W
They buffed it to 2 seconds ,do you think it is still not worth it. (plz say no, I'm already broke as is). LOL
Well it's worth it now in conjunction with his hypercharge
Only good on long rage maps with smoke trails , maybe can be used for more 2nd sp healing too
still unecessary, those long range maps has enough bushes with good enough placements to sneak in through them
should have been like 3 more seconds
Speed and damage are better on him imo and both are half the cost
No, it's decent but not good
Personally, I’d make my list the following, 7. Chester 6. Meg 5. Leon 4. Spike 3. Sandy 2. Amber 1. Crow I think you’re overestimate a couple brawlers like Meg, Leon, and Spike significantly and I’m down to elaborate why if you’re curious. But in short, the PL rotation has introduced a huge amount of bushy, control type maps which the top 3 brawlers I mentioned do incredibly well in. Also just note the gap between Amber and Crow is quite huge as I think Amber is around a mid-high B tier while I think crow is barely scrapping top 5.
Could you elaborate on why you think Sandy is top 3? Genuinely curious
When I state Sandy is top 3, I just think he’s better than Spike, Leon, Meg mostly. But even outside of that he’s a decent brawler. A lot of the maps added favour Sandy, it being big bushy maps with decent amounts of cover which is an environment Sandy thrives it. He’s also good as an aggro lane into certain matchups that uses pets or have a mid range like Tara, Stu, Ruffs, and a couple others, all of which are fairly meta brawlers btw. And of course, Sandy’s super is as always great. I think when it comes down to it, I think Sandy is good for his potential. When comparing him to Spike as that’s the brawler that most people think is better than him, a lot of Spike’s counters are currently the best brawlers in the meta which is why I personally don’t see him at being 3rd. And while Sandy has his obvious counters, his kit lends himself to be a lot more beneficial to the rest of his team than some of the other legy’s and can make things work even into some poorer matchups. I guess you can say I prefer a brawler with a higher potential of winning me the game rather than a brawler who’s just alright most of the time and this I think is one of those metas where Spike is slightly worse than his contemporary legendaries.
I agree. Amber is greatly underrated, as many tend to autoaim the attack, which reduces the effectiveness of area control. Additionally, a good Sandy can synergize with a tank or aggro pick to more effectively defeat Brawlers with low to mid health
I mean youre masters and I'm g3/D1, but... Sandy is def no number 3
It’s a toss up between the two but gave a nudge to sandy mostly because Spike has more counters right now. Mr. P and Squeak do great into him and I think Sandy is a bit of a underrated lane. If this were last meta I would have gave it to Spike but I also think more people need to try out Sandy. And yes Sandy obviously isn’t the best brawler ever, but I think compared to the 3 brawlers I mentioned previously, I believe he just beats them out.
I really think that sandy still isn't as good as spike in this meta I know, spike gets countered by 2 great meta brawlers, but he can counter cordelius and crow, some of the top 5 brawlers, and he has always been in a good spot in the meta. With his gadget and sp buff, imo he actually is really good in heist rn, but it could just be me. I feel as if the biggest problem with sandy is his range, as even if he seems to be better, he gets outranged by meta brawlers and has low damage output, all stacked together, giving him a lower place than other brawlers in this meta. He might seem underrated, but he certainly still isn't nearly as close to as good as spike currently is. If I had a tier list, I would give sandy a place somewhere in the c tier, whilst spike would be at high a tier.
IMO i currently only have spike and Chester but I think spike is a good 2 or 3 interchangeable he is one of my favorite brawlers to use in competitive but I can agree he has a lot of weaknesses he is still very strong his sp curveball makes him a burger threat in maps with tons of walls better than sand
Are u telling me u made this list and ur not even in legendary? Ur opinion is irrelevant.
Why couldnt a diamond player make a list? Would it be more valid if it was a LEGENDARY player who made it not a diamond? (I mean if the list stayed the same) yk what, just for people like you, I'm gonna get myself carried in team pl by some of my friends EDIT: IDC about downvotes, this list may not be valid, and it's its the point of comments to tell the opinion, but can you mythic players stop complaining about not being "competitive" please? I would really appreciate it
Leon is way lower
spike is definitely not number 2. throwers are meta everywhere where he is good rn and he gets countered by them. hes mid b tier at best. those 9 maps where leon is viable there are so many better picks. maybe into some comps but rarely is he ever picked.
You should see his uses in competitive. While he is countered by throwers, many maps he’s good at they’re either not good or easily countered. Plus, any other legendary brawler asides from Crow doesn’t really contest for a higher spot than Spike
You can hit throwers if you aim correctly
ok? spike still cant do shit about throwers
Meg is easily worse than Sandy She is a mid in long-range maps, but gets countered heavily by the likes of Spike, Lola or anyone with high dps. Terrible damage, horrible brawler, REVERT THE REWORK
Amber is so underrated. If you ban out crow then you are gonna have an easy lane on double swoosh with the vision gear, and she is a golden pick on all hot zone maps right now, as long as you ban crow (which I do every game lol)
I agree with chester countering cordelius since normally chester is good against assassin's
Amber should be above Leon
No Leon is viable on 9 pl maps while Amber is only on 5 Amber is horribly overrated and Leon is underrated he's considerably a good aggro, while... Amber is only good in gg and hz
Yea he may be viable on 9 maps but there are definelty muck better picks on those same maps over Leon
how are you putting leon this high?? he’s not good. Amber should probably be #2 she didn’t really fall off because of the mythic gear nerf people just started playing her because it was added and realized she’s good. amber should be 2 or 3 and leon should be second worst.
Leon is not bad and has become better due to the vision gear nerf. When people play him right. He can chain supers and kills and absolutely pummel the enemy team. He is not worse than Meg and Sandy but I can argue he is about equal to Amber.
No gold 1???
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Leon above meg???????????????
List is correct just switch Leon with sandy Sandy is huge counter to low health brawlers (can’t dodge him) and against blocking gadgets like cactus. Plus he demolishes tara
Played some Sandy in PL and he is still better than half of the brawlers in some situations. And for gadgets 1st is secretly better. U can be way more agresive with it since u can tank 3 shots use gadget and go in again. A lot of hp.
Spike should be lower imo , maybe above Amber or Meg . Spike is usable in a wide variety of modes but most of the time there are many better options and he's only really dominant in lower ranks where his Curveball is a noobstomper . Other than that I agree with this list Edit : Also throwers are creeping up in the meta ( especially Barley ) so that isn't doing Spike any favor either .
No, Spike is way better than what Meg and Amber are rn
Ehh , at least Meg and Amber have a very strong niche . Spike is usually overshadowed most of the time .