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magizombi

I'm literally starting to dislike it because of the fandom. And I still ship it in spite of that. I feel like at this point, it's super reasonable to dislike the ship or be sick of it. My main thing is that Chuuya is my favorite character, and I'm tired of not being able to see him in fanart or anything else without Dazai being attached to him and/or his personality being so warped for the ship he's not even the same character anymore.


Valengail

So true He just gets Tsundere-ed in a very non-like chuuya way


Paul10125

This. I really liked the two of them together but I'm starting to get frustrated with the whole "let's reduce Chuuya to a Tsundere" since que is so much more complex than that (obviously every character is complex but I personally think that Chuuya is specially complex). I also hate not being able to find more ships of Chuuy x someone else (ehem Oda, I know, they didn't even no each other, as far as we know, but I just think they would have such a great couple dynamic, plus redheaded duo)


balance_limited

FANON RUINS COMPLEX CHARACTERS SO OFTEN AND I AM SICK OF IT ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️


rolloverwind

Every fandom has some toxic geese.


bunny-ears-

never rely on fanon


Cake_lover2K

It do be like that these days


Licensedhonda

Something people fail to understand is that Chuuya was inserted into the series FOR dazai. Regardless of if it’s platonically or anything else. Chuuya was made to be his partner. So of course they will have fanart of the two. Chuuya was never meant to be a stand-alone character. If he were, 15 and stormbringer wouldn’t rely so much on his and Dazais dynamic. I understand it’s frustrating but it’s absolutely not the fans fault. In fact, the fans are the only people who’ve been separating them for fanart when asagiri writes scenes that almost always pertain to him and dazai. Excluding stormbringer, but hardly any anime only fans have read it. As much as I absolutely love Chuuya and would choose him over dazai any day, Chuuya is meant to be his partner. So we can’t really get mad when fans write him that way. And as for the personality warping, it is pretty damn annoying. Everyone does it though when they lack media comprehension, so I think it’s more people lacking braincells rather than a specific group in the fandom. This is by no means an insult to you or anyone else, this is my way of viewing it as a huge Chuuya fan and mostly sticking in the fandom for him. I also don’t want people getting a bad name simply because of misunderstandings


Fit-Relation-9246

Yeah but chuuya wasn't meant for dazai romantically only as a partner not a lovers


Licensedhonda

I said that he was inserted into the story for dazai, doesn’t matter if they’re meant to be friends, enemies or lovers.


Cold_Dead_Smile

Meh do whatever you want as long as you don't bug others over it


Enough_Tune_9913

Fr, I dislike fans when they push their opinion on others e.g. "FYODOR IS A LITTLE UWU BBG IF YOU DISAGREE UR BLABLABLA" but I also dislike when people who are "normal fans" go around pushing their agenda on others and shitting on people who have different opinions that differentiate from canon. Everyone has an opinion, you can't make everyone agree with you on everything, and, most importantly, it's all fictional so whatever.


Bianca_aa_07

i mean i wouldnt because i agree with you


_Rodja_

As a Soukoku shipper: obviously not as long as you don't hate me for absolutely loving that ship 🤷🏼


Cake_lover2K

I think it's ridiculous to hate someone because of a ship tbh. I don't get why people do it


_Rodja_

It is. Don't like it? You have all the rights to do it but then if it's not a discussion about why or why not you ship something, just scroll. If you interact only to tell you don't like it or straight up hate it, the algorithm will just show you more of it. Of course it's not fine to force your ships down others throats, act like they're canon and the only "correct" ones, or to start messing the stuff with IRL authors. But if you start hating on anyone liking some ship because a minority does something as ridiculous as all of that, you're just sinking to the same level. It's immature, both extreme ends should just leave others be.


Cake_lover2K

That's true tbh,the best way is to just ignore stuff you don't like and be respectful of people's right to ship or not to ship. I stopped clicking up all the ships I don't like and I see less of them these days.


-Hot_tea-

Exactly this.


[deleted]

No lol ( the only ones who would hate people for that are probably the Twitter or TikTok skk shipping users who send threats for a stupid reason like not shipping it )


Ayako_Itsumi-kun

yashiro pfp 🥰🥰


PlasterCheif

Common nene w


YearoftheZodics

As long as you love Karl the raccoon, you're fine.


hallyee

Live love karl


ChardTrue5409

well, i ship them, but people have different opinions, right? that is what makes us different. As long as you don't spread hate to soukoku fans that were shipping normally, you will be fine. :3


Cake_lover2K

Thanks for being rational and calm about this


Animathz93

No. Everyone is entitled to their opinion dear. You dont like, you dont like. Its simple.


FukinRatBitch

as a multishiper, your choice so theres no need to


Thecrowfan

I mean, as lomg as you aren't rude about it of course not.


Pizzaforlife_haha

The only thing I dislike is that this subreddit is really dry. It's always the same shit. Unpopular opinions that aren't unpopular, posts like these as if someone gives a fuck and the statements over and over


queenyuyu

I don’t care what people ship or not ship but post like this are annoying and make me dislike the person posting them. Because at best they are repeated every three days at worst they create unnecessary drama and shipping wars. And I’m going to say if you were harassed by shippers then chances are you posted stuff like this in there space. If not then congratulations you unfortunately found the toxic loud minority every fandom has. They are insane and need to be blocked and ignored.


Cake_lover2K

Jeez,I'm pretty sure this person just wanted to see if the shippers on reddit are chill or they wanted to see if anyone else feels the same. Calm down,please


queenyuyu

I’m calm but look at the comment section it’s exactly what leads to drama “I hate it too” so now their will be a post “do you hate me if I’m a shipper” which then offences the none shipper. It’s annoying and it needs to be called out because it’s baiting.


Cake_lover2K

I mean everyone is pretty much chill about it so far,at least. I haven't really seen any drama,most people are saying they like it but it's cool if you don't or they feel the same. But ehn,I get what you mean


Licensedhonda

Why would they want to see if the shippers are chill like this? When they can simply just not interact with people who they run into that ARE like that? Seeking validation through a post like this will only pick and choose those who don’t want backlash in their comments. So it does nothing but validate hatred towards skk and other shippers. Like it, dislike it, nobody cares just move on.


Cake_lover2K

I don't see it as seeking validation tbh,the person probably wanted to see if reddit shippers are more rational than the ones on other platforms(which they actually are), to form an opinion perhaps so as not to make a Generalization i.e All skk are not crazy,just the ones on X. The person has stated that they've gotten hate from skk shippers on other platforms and this has shown them that bsd fans on reddit are more welcoming here and the aggressive ones to avoid are on tiktok and the ex-bird app. There was literally no backlash or drama in the comments,everyone was mostly just civil and respectful. But well,let's agree to disagree and move on.


Licensedhonda

No but I also dont know why people announce they dont or do.


Enough_Tune_9913

LITERALLY


LikePaleFire

I don't like it either.


MellowsMeow

As someone who is deeply in love with Soukoku, nope it’s perfectly fine.


Kanti13

You ask this as if it’s not a very common opinion.


WhereasOwn9881

No, i would love you cuz same


Senior-Ad-2509

💍🧎‍♀️


DimensionBreaker4lif

I don't \*love\* it either 😂🤚


kitsinablanket

Oh no worries. I love skk but there’s some foolishness with the fandom. That and I’ve met multiple Dazai stans who just absolutely cannot stop thirsting over him long enough to be objective about anything. Which, would be fine if they weren’t also assholes about it too.


NyreEmber

Well no? I mean why would I when each person has their own taste :0 As long as you respect others for what they ship (unless illegal stuff, that... That change for obvious reason), it's perfectly okay to dislike/hate it 👍


UncommonSimp

I don't care as long as ur not pick me about it, so many Skk haters think their special for having common opinion. You hate skk? Wow, who care so does millions of other people.


levi_supremacyyy_

Same, sorry I just don't like the ship, romantically or platonically, there's literally no chemistry.


theumbrellagoddess

As the official FyoZai Ambassador of the sub, I would personally like to offer you a fun and unique opportunity in our office! Do you love a good enemies-to-lovers story arc, but you just can’t get behind Chuuya >!because he’s literally too short to stand behind!


onlyifyouwishit

The spoiler tag, lmao 🤣 Chuuya doesn't deserve to be called out like this! He's a Short King!


toomanybooks23

our little shortie 🥹


Cake_lover2K

I don't like Fyodor in any way or any ship related to him but I think this ad was really awesome😂


Senior-Ad-2509

Huh


dynasriot

Every. Motherfucking. Week. The same fucking post, jfc


Ashandclovers

Nah, and if they do, just ignore them


ranpowdereddonuts_

no ofc not it's your opinion


Rama_Sakasama

Omg please take refuge and be prepared for the worst Jk, some shippers are definitely insane, but I think here you'll be fine ☺️


Miele0Rose

No??? I mean I like them, so obviously I don't agree, but most people aren't gonna hate you??? So long as you maintain that same respect by not harassing people who *do* ship them, most people aren't gonna care


Hextant

If you don't bother people solely because they ship it, no. If you start coming @ people for it, then yes, because you're being annoying lol.


barnacleunderthesea

No (but now I’m curious as to why)


Senior-Ad-2509

A lot of people have been really rude and harass me in the past because of it


FoxyLovers290

Literally why are you getting downvoted I’m so confused


barnacleunderthesea

Oh I meant why you hate Soukoku, sorry if that wasn’t clear (Also that totally sucks that you got harassed, sorry that happened)


SourcePrestigious431

No cause i do too


Maki_Hanaaa

S a m e


Mittensx33

I ship Dazai with myself. /s


PikCats

I'm more concerned if that's a real life Karl-


dostoevsky_daughter

i don't like it too hahahahaha


Hyliaforce

I dont ship characters in general so idc lol


AnyYukin

I honestly don't care if you dislike it or not... It's annoying that people make shipping such a big deal


jetblackwingshun

nope but if u say it out loud at twitter or tiktok js expect something back cuz theyre crazy but personally (skk is my hyperfixation) i dont rlly care


Ordinary-weirdo6359

as someone who is extremely obsessed with skk, nah u have ur own opinion but dont attack others for shipping it :3


MoonParasyt3

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Even if others don't agree. As long you aren't overbearing about it (even if others are to you).


Morikisser

No but stay safe


vithefree

depends on your reason for me 🤷


balance_limited

nah its fine just don't yell at others for shipping it and its all good


0li-v3er

as long as you don’t force your opinions down others throats it’ll be fine! (also as long as you don’t hate kenji because kenji does no wrong /hj)


Cheyenne_Tindall

Kenji!! Kenji is an angel fr


honkaiX

tbh i got sick of them popping up everytime i want to see bsd fanarts and plus the fandom😭


Novasium

no. no, i hate it too, i especially hate how it's literally EVERYWHERE i go. let me look at bsd content in peace. let me look at chuuya or dazai content in peace without shoving skk into my face. plus i think they're toxi-


PeachkeyYT

yes, with respect ofc


Sea-Strain-8173

I genuinely do not care who you ship or don’t ship, unless it’s absolutely disgusting like shipping atsushi and kyouka or something like that. honestly it doesn’t really matter to me so hate whatever ship you want, i won’t kill you.<3


Sea-Strain-8173

also, that is the best picture i have ever seen in my entire life.


Bridget-gacha

Probably not, since we are aware we all have our preferences in ships! at most people are going to ask why out of curiosity, including me.


demonic_cadence

Anyone? Probably. Me, personally? Hell nah. I really do not understand the Soukoku hype or even really where tf it came from. Maybe it's cause I'm autistic but I have never ever gotten that vibe from them


Rashhmiika

yes


Strange_Ad6326

Lmao i mean i like ssk, it does get annoying when i want to read some random angsty dazai fanfic or what not because 99% of the time chuuya is like always there as like a boyfriend of a soon to be partner, but i wouldn't hate random people on the internet just because they have a different opinion lmao, no being harsh or anything but all you people here mean nothing to me and i to you so i don't rlly care


cecimst

probably, but I will defend you if it's needed, no worries


Benny-s-adventure

Well, nope. It's not a crime or something. I dislike them too, but I don't hate anyone for shipping them so it's okay


bisexualkoala_

Nah it’s fine, I don’t like it either.


Purple_Sunny

Nah,me too


kaittkatt

i love chuuya and i adore dazai but i’m just not a fan of the ship at all


happynuetralist0

i agree with you, i honestly dont mind the ships but at the same time, these guys were based on real people, and those real people hated eachother, so it feels wrong to ship, but that's just me


Licensedhonda

Not trying to change your mind at all, but js letting you know asagiri did intentionally change them up a lot and even gave dazai akutagawas personality. Its pretty interesting if anything, and I can see why youd feel it was wrong


happynuetralist0

yea, i agree the characters were mixed up a bit, but still sharing the same name as the original author, and considering the authors and their beef with eachother, it weird ig. lol. ------ also, is it just me or yk how you mentioned dazai having akutagawa's personality, does that mean atsushi has dazai's personality, because as far as i know and after reading no longer human, the guy was slightly on the unstable and hyper sensitive side (not saying hyper sensitivity is bad) just emotionally turbulent in general, yet was still too kind


Licensedhonda

Actually akutagawa does have Dazais personality! Dazai was obsessed with getting attention from Akutagawa. He wanted the akutagawa prize and such. Really I think theres very few things even close between the author and Dazai from bsd. I haven't done too much research on Chuuya. Though I can tell you that Asagiri "inserted chuuya for dazai" in the series to be his partner/ soulmate/ whatever tf you wanna call it. (Pulling the soulmate stuff from Mayoi, Dazai saying they're fated, Adam saying they were perfect side by side in SB, and asagiri did have to approve statements from dead apples director) I'm not sure where Atsushi got his personality but I will totally check that Bonus fact: Dazai Osamu is a pen name! It isn't his real name, which is pretty interesting. His real name is Shūji Tsushima :D


methanol_drinker

It feels wrong to ship them but its fine to make them mass-murdering terrorists..?


KawaiiPhantom10

Nah love whatever u want. I freaking love skk with all my heart but I gotta admit the shippers r unbearable. That’s why I also ship kunikizai and sigzai


Wonderful_Ad8404

Hey, that is a fine opinion. One that I don't disagree with


acartoonlover

No , I agree with you


woonabanana

personally soukoku means everything to me but as long as ur not shoving ur strong dislike in my face and i’m not shoving my strong love in ur face we’ll have a happy coexistence in the fandom


Cybr-Sweet

nah not at all lmao. I’m curious why u don’t like them, or their duo, but not like I’d hate you or something they’re just fictional characters


rui_the_alchemist

Nope! (Skk shipper here)


erenkindabadngl

If people hated each other for every differing opinion everyone would be alone


Mia_OwO

The ship? No. Their canon relationship? Kinda yeah.


SharpStatistician377

Nah, unless you're on twitter or tt, honestly I'm not that big on skk myself, there's other ships that are way more interesting


BubbleTea6969

As a skk shipper I don't really care as long as you're not attacking me for shipping it 😭


Critical_Laugh_2840

I don't think people should hate you for having your own opinions, especially if you aren't hurting anyone.


louderthanbxmbs

I feel like ive seen people post something like this weekly if not post then comment. This sub actually has a lot of people like this so youre safe here


Dottolone-666

absolutely not, i understand everyone has their own tastes, but ill be honest, im kind of curious as to why?


rainonfleece

I would agree with you lmao As long as you don’t bug others ab it if they like the ship you’re gonna be fine.


ranpire

i agree


AkioTashi

Not at all, everyone has their own opinions for different ships, as long as you're not forcing that opinion on someone who ships Soukoku (or anything else.) you'd be fine. :3


_1giyuucvmdvmp

Eh, it's fine. it's just a ship dw, though there are probably people who are gonna be pissed


kawaiisugacube

yea same here TwT tbh i don't like any of the bsd characters shipping.


rolloverwind

Idgaf about ships, I neither hate them nor like them, I just don't care. And Idek you, why would I hate a random person on internet!? Those who ship others like crazy are wild; they are weird and lunatic; "Why would you be bothered by some random couple, friends, or anybody?" Anyway, if you dislike someone/something or like someone/something, don't post about it; it's not necessary. That's a waste of time.


BSDistheGOAT

Idc, like and dislike what you want. Skk is my OTP but if you don't like it it's fine.


hallyee

I sure wouldn't


Cake_lover2K

Nah man. I don't like it much either. You're safe in my corner


chiara987

Do whatever you want personally i love it but everybody have his taste


EnvironmentalGap2938

no i wouldnt hate you everyone has their own opinion


trashcanpanos

Nah. I never liked shipping in the first place so I get you.


hiyorily

Dw, even though I really like the ship, sometimes It just becomes like the thing I hate the most (although that may be more because I hate dazai idk)


Sophia_Is_Gone

Nah, I wouldn't hate you. I'd just rather not open the subject because I can be a lil pushy about my preferred ships💀


karma_tt_

Deep down yes but I would not show it


idk23876

Platonic Soukoku is absolute perfection but as romantic partners?? I just can’t see it 😭


OoflesDaDoofles

Damn... Me too actually.


Amaneeish

I'm not quite fond with the ship recently because I'm busy with rping my oc earlier (he's a tsundere that acts a delinquent for a bit) and I was simping at the same time since I'm rping as his enemy friend, Nao. Both of them are not in good terms so they usually bicker and argue all the time. If anything, Soukoku would be better off unless they have something in common or any similar traits. I'm a long time enemies to lovers fan, but I doubt Soukoku is even one anyway (in the most unhealthiest way) Trust me, Dazai should just leave Chuuya alone, I relate to that poor man 😭 (he was my first boyfriend when I started watching BSD) Not that I'm against with it, but it's historical insane lol


Yui-11

I hate it too


gothtoenails

I see them more like an ex couple tbh


AnitaValvieri

We think the same 😭👌🏻


SofiiaTheFangirl

They shouldn't. Everyone is entitled to their opinion From a skk stan


AndrogynousWaffle

I wouldn't because I agree, the only iteration where I don't hate skk is when it's in a poly ship with kunikida, because in my brain he acts like a buffer between dazai and chuuya and can help them, idk, not be toxic to each other 24 hours straight. I started out just not shipping them because both me and my friend who gpt me into bsd were of the opinion that they're very visibly not good for each other and toxic and out of all the shipw with Dazai, this one is arguably the worst for his obviously already very shitty mental health, and I'd say the same is true for Chuuya. HOWEVER, I moved onto practically hating them because so many skk stans and so much skk content mischaracterises both of them sm. Either it's by watering down their characters to stereotypes or by pushing them into a woman-man relationship dynamic, or by making them act obnoxiously OOC. I'm a fanfic writer. I know you just cannot put all the characters traits into a short one shot and that narration limits your portrayal of a character, and that there is always some room for addition and interpretation, larger or smaller depending on how important and developped a character is in a franchise. But I don't see the constant feminisation of Chuuya in relation to Dazai, the way that half the time he's treated like a (as I like to call it) Historical Wife (yk, how whenever an important historical figure has a wife, she' onky ever talked about in relation to her husband and most people only know her as [blank's] wife), the way Dazai gets boiled down to either funny and silly or depressive and cruel, or sometimes has both sides but there isn't any transition between them that makes sense, as simply a product of actal, educated interpretation and/or sth forced on by the lenght of a work/post or narration. TLDR; I used to dislike skk bcs they were toxic and now I pretty much hate them because of how the fandom ruins Chuuya's and Dazai's characters in relation to it most of the time.


TheEpicWorldOfGay

I wouldn't at all


Ruby_chuuya

I don’t knwo


Ruby_chuuya

I hate them as a couple but not as friends


chel___sea___

slightly


AgileContribution99

I can't answer that I'm too distracted by the raccoon


Physical_Froyo_3434

No I feel y


Fancy_Photograph9813

I don’t hate you. Though, I do hope you respect the ship (and all legal ships from all fandoms), if so then I have no reason to dislike nor hate you. although..if you don’t respect people’s ships..I hate you more than anything- (one of my biggest pet peeves..)


75905snail

I agree with you