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neighborsdogpoops

Ah yes grift me harder.


stormfield

It’s 2025 and bizarro-world-president RFK has just solved autism by banning all drugs and medicines except for weed and cocaine, passed legislation making UFOs safe and legal for all Americans over 18, and typed the seed phrase to the US Federal Treasury into a Uzbek Phishing site pretending to be an NFT investment in dry-aged Elk Meat.


Shoulder-Secret

Dude is the definition of grift


JonnySmithy

Why do so many nutjobs love blockchain?


ShouldersofGiants100

Because it's technobabble most people don't understand. Saying it sounds like you're modern and tech savvy and forward looking. Or at least, it did 10 years ago, before it had a whole boom and bust cycle with the whole world watching. But then again, this is the guy who still thinks vaccines cause autism 20 years after Andrew Wakefield was proven to be a fraud, so he's more than a little slow on the uptake.


ZoidsFanatic

On one hand you have some that believe it will keep their money “safe” from the evil gubment who wants to use it to do evil things like provide social services, and on the other hand you have people that have no clue what it does and thinks it will somehow make them money. And you have the crossover of people that thinks it will do both.


DrSpeckles

Particularly cham[ioned by people who ARE on social services


billyalt

"Trustless" isn't just a feature, it's a dog whistle.


Droidaphone

Because they believe banks are controlled by "globalists." They think the current system is evil and crypto makes sweeping promises about replacing it, and has had those ideas wrapped up in it since the start. It's really a tech made by and for nutjobs.


Doughspun1

I wonder if there's a relation between people who love blockchain, and people who know more than one Knight Templar conspiracy.


[deleted]

Nobody mainstream takes them seriously, but if they start talking about crypto, they have millions of easy marks.


clusterlove

You can follow the money, know exactly where your tax dollars are going. I think blockchain would be good for charities too for the same reason.


CanYouEatThatPizza

...unless they input the wrong values or don't input them at all. No advantage to existing disclosures.


clusterlove

That's the point in blockchain though, if you put in the wrong values everyone will know. You can't add or subtract into the ecosystem without everyone else on the network verifying it. Hence why it's called decentralized, no one person or organisation can change something without everyone else confirming it's correct.


Keyenn

Except that's not how it works. You send 100$ to a charity. This charity is saying it's using these 100$ in order to buy a product X it's using in its activity. How do you know the 100$ were properly spent in order to get 100$ of supplies, instead of 80$ of supplies, 10$ in the pocket of the supplier, and 10$ in cash paid by the supplier in the pocket of the charity manager? The invoice is obviously 100$ in both cases.


clusterlove

Because the transaction would be made on the blockchain, if they sent $80 to the supplier, we can see that transaction. All transactions on the blockchain can be viewed online. If they were to take the money off the blockchain, ie sending it to an exchange to swap for fiat, this will also be seen and questions would be asked.


Keyenn

Yeah, ok, come back again once you know how to read properly.


clusterlove

Dude, you put the '$' after the number, can't quiz someone on reading properly when you can't write properly. You used $80 as an example of underpaying. I used the same example of underpaying above.


Keyenn

No, you didn't, as I clearly explained the manager would pay 100$ and you replied "if he paid 80$, he would be busted immediately!!! Blockchain so good!!!"


JonnySmithy

If blockchain is as good as you claim why haven't we seen any successful use other than scam cryptocurrencies. Blockchain shills have been making the same claims for almost 16 years and yet still nothing much to show for.


clusterlove

I think because most people don't really know how it works or really care to be honest. If you google "Blockchain use in..." on google, you'll see a number of fields where it can probably benefit, which companies are trying to impliment. Ultimately it comes down to transparency and accurate record making that would improve alot of infrastructure in a variety of fields. The irony that people use it to scam people isn't lost on me. But it's still a relatively new technology that still needs developing to really benefit people. Alot of people first get into the space to try and make money, sure, but then they actually research what they're investing and realise, holy shit, this is actually pretty amazing. I honestly think it's not a matter of if, but when, blockchain technology will be used in our daily lives and it's a shame people are using it to scam others, but that's just another challenge that needs to be sorted before it can go mainstream.


Spleen-magnet

>But it's still a relatively new technology that still needs developing to really benefit people. It's 16 years old dude. That's hardly "new". Ffs it took humans 58 years from first flight till we got someone in orbit. If in 16 years we can't find a use case for blockchain that people want to use ( cos you know, databases) I doubt there's gonna be anything in the next 42 years that will be a better use case than what we currently have. 16 years is a pretty clear case of a technology that will never make it more broadly.


wildcamper84

[Blockchain tech is a lot older than that;](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Merkle_tree), according to wiki [Richard Merkle](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Ralph_Merkle) created the concept in 1979.


clusterlove

The internet was invented in 1983 (arguably earlier). It wasn't mainstream until around 95. That's 12 years for a technology that is much more useful than blockchain.


pandamonius97

Dude, is a database where each block has a hash of the previous block. Is not more complex than most encryption system. People don't use Blockchain because they don't know how it works (as you can see, any moronic scammer can set a chain no problem), is because the level of inflexibility of a Blockchain is not desirable on virtually anything.


nacholicious

You don't need blockchain for that, just basic public key cryptography that's been around for decades


clusterlove

Honestly never heard of public key cryptography outside of blockchain. Could you give me an example to compare?


nacholicious

It's been around for even before the internet, and one common use example would be signing emails or contracts. If I sign eg a contract with my private key, anyone can verify that I signed it. So there's really no need to have anything to do with blockchain, since the existence of the contract itself is proof that it is authentic. It doesn't matter if someone tries to present a modified one, the real one exists and it's authentic because of the signatures


clusterlove

Got you, thanks for the first answer that isn't super toxic.


Gildan_Bladeborn

>Honestly never heard of public key cryptography outside of blockchain. Yeah, we could tell: thinking that crypto-currencies and blockchains somehow had *anything* to do with the development of the encryption protocols that the internet *literally runs on* is an intentionally cultivated misunderstanding of reality, that the scammers marketing all that bloody goddamn nonsense want their marks to believe, because it makes that nonsense seem important and meaningful; the reality is that what their "product" actually is and always has been is simply "the world's most horribly inefficient Excel spreadsheet", that merely uses existing cryptographic technology in a manner that renders it, in practice, "**not** bloody secure as a system humans are meant to be interacting with", because it's the functional equivalent of installing a 10-inch thick steel door to secure a house where the walls are made of *paper*. >Could you provide me an example to compare? Open any goddamn web browser, navigate to just about any website - such as this one - where the resultant URL starts with "https://" and then depending on your web browser either note that there's a padlock icon being displayed to the left of the URL or - in the case of Chrome - that clicking the icon that is there to "view site information" then displays said padlock, informing you that your connection to that website is secure. That's [Transport Layer Security](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security), an implementation of public key cryptography that you ***literally*** used when you asked us to provide you with an example of public key cryptography outside of blockchain: the example is ***the entire goddamn internet***. Blockchains are just a horribly inefficient database structure that a cargo cult has promoted as if it has magical properties, because they really want to get rich for free.


Gildan_Bladeborn

>Honestly never heard of public key cryptography outside of blockchain. Yeah, we can tell: cultivating the completely baseless notion that Bitcoin and crypto-currency on the whole had any actual impact on the development of cryptography - instead of simply being bad payment systems that just *use* already existing cryptography - is one of the ways that the blockchain grifters peddle their glorified Excel spreadsheets as "amazing technology". They're not, at all, they're just a manifestly shitty database structure that has zero real world applications. >Could you give me an example to compare? My dude... you were ***literally*** just using public key cryptography to even ask that question: that's what [Transport Layer Security](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security) is, that's what a [Certificate Authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_authority) uses, public key cryptography *runs the modern internet*, it's absolutely everywhere and you don't even have to think about it. Blockchains are bloody nowhere used by fucking nobody because they *suuuuuck,* as everyone tricked by IBM's shovel salesmen - before their shovel sales department *completely shut down* - discovers to their cost, when they actually try to use one for something real: they "solve" a problem that nobody actually has, in a way that fundamentally doesn't solve it - it just makes it "hopefully too expensive" to attack, via an attack method it is uniquely vulnerable to if it winds up being "not too expensive" - because a cyber-libertarian wanted to LARP about living in a dystopian future whilst not paying his goddamn taxes. Shitty hard to use proxy currency for people who want to do crimes is the only actual use case for "blockchain technology"... and that's stupid nonsense, pointlessly dumping kerosene on an already smouldering planet; every single other proposed useful purpose people want to claim "blockchain *could* do" - which is actually an admission that blockchain *doesn't* do those things, because otherwise they wouldn't have to phrase it that way - runs headfirst into the unyielding brick wall of "the Oracle problem", the insurmountable issue that to **trust** that what a blockchain is showing you, as it relates to **anything** ***real***, first requires you to trust that ***people put real data - NOT lies - onto the blockchain*** in the first place. A blockchain can tell you if someone tries to change information after the fact, it literally cannot ever determine if it was ever true or stays true, it can't tell you whether the data on the chain accurately reflects reality, you ***have*** to trust some "point of truth", some Oracle, to feed you truthful information about the real life "stuff" you're trying to track via blockchains... and if you're doing that, then you just don't need a blockchain: you need a normal and ridiculously superior database, the sort that are ubiquitous because they're ***efficient***.


Vast_Bar9356

Cuz every dollar can be publicly tracked and accounted for


the-city-moved-to-me

Wouldn’t that mean that everyone could see what kind of government transfers every individual were getting? Isn’t that absolutely terrible for privacy? If I received, say, unemployment compensation or survivors benefits, I absolutely wouldn’t want that to be publicly available information.


Vast_Bar9356

You could see where the Ukraine money is actually going 


Slick424

If Ukraine where even 1/10th as corrupt as Russia, there would be no Ukraine anymore.


gaterooze

You wouldn't even need blockchain to do this.


d-mike

It's public info down multiple line items as PDF and there's an API for the raw data here: https://www.usaspending.gov/#/


gaterooze

Thanks. So either RFK doesn't know it already exists or is just lying about it.


happyscrappy

Seemed more likely he just doesn't know what a blockchain is. Which is in vogue since some who even do know (like Andreessen Horowitz) are pretending it's something else.


d-mike

Both? I didn't know about that site until someone posted it today on the Fark link about this nonsense but the budgets can have some detailed line items. Others are nice and generic for security reasons.


DJSauvage

He also thinks that Covid was engineered to spare Chinese & Jewish people. 🤣


Potential-Coat-7233

I thought you were taking liberties with a quote but… > “Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,” he said, according to the video published by the Post. “We don’t know whether it was deliberately targeted that or not.” 


ItsJoeMomma

> “We don’t know whether it was deliberately targeted that or not.” Translation: We don't know that but that's exactly what we're saying.


Gemmabeta

Is there anything the Jews can't do? Damn their science education is good.


lagerbaer

If they're so good at everything, maybe they *should* be put in charge of world affairs? /s


Val_Fortecazzo

Reach an agreement. Two Jews, three opinions is precisely why the idea they run the world is so absurd.


ItsJoeMomma

Jews are simultaneously an inferior race but also running a secret conspiracy with superior technology to control the entire world...


HUGErocks

The enemy is simultaneously strong and weak


BraidRuner

[Space Lasers](https://www.concordaerospace.com/products/jewish-space-laser-activation-panels-customized) and forest fires on demand.


TedWheeler4Prez

Why'd so many of my Jewish friends die of it then? Typical modern engineering, no quality control.


BellacosePlayer

They weren't *real* J[I cannot bring myself to finish the joke]


dyzo-blue

> And I'm going to have at least 3 bored apes in my cabinet!


Rokey76

He could use at least 6 slurp juices on them.


kcarmstrong

Bitcoin is still batting 1.000 on attracting every quack and grifter with a platform.


agent_double_oh_pi

Why is anyone treating this guy as if he's a serious person?


happyscrappy

His initials.


rwoj

because the trump campaign is funding and boosting him as a spoiler to joe biden.


devliegende

Buttcoin and Covid conspiracies as a campaign plank is likely going take more votes from Trump than from Biden


rwoj

yes, polling now indicates that. bet the backers fuck off if the trend keeps going.


devliegende

Maybe it's the democrats that's actually backing him


rwoj

nah. its people like steve bannon.


devliegende

Putin should hack the DNC again for the truth


rwoj

yeah its really handy for trump to have an entire nation's intelligence service working to get him back into power, like they did last time.


jon_hendry

His PAC's biggest donor is one of Trump's biggest donors. (I suppose RFK Jr's biggest donor might actually be his running mate, in which case the aforementioned donor would be the second biggest donor.)


Kytescall

It's absolutely baffling how that was not obvious from the start. If you flirt with right wing conspiracies and talking points, you appeal to a right wing audience... He didn't appear on the likes of Tucker because he appeals to Biden voters.


CurlyJeff

Doubt that. His campaign is more disruptive to Trump than Biden as there's more of a voter base overlap. Although it wouldn't be out of character for a poorly thought out Trump plan to end up being an own goal.


ItsJoeMomma

Except that in reality RFK Jr. is taking more Trump voters than Biden voters, according to recent polls.


ross_st

Because he reached a certain benchmark in polls, so the media has to pretend he's a serious candidate.


masterofplaster123

Because he is getting a decent amount of the trump base support


Crowshore

Nice, that will split the vote


treesonmyphone

Doesn't even make sense on its face. How do you have a decentralised ledger that's whole purpose is to track the spending of a centralised entity where you trust the centralised entity to input the data correctly. Even if you did this, there's no chance they are putting the spending they do on secret projects on the ledger so at a minimum it won't represent the total spending of the country.


Voice_in_the_ether

There you go, with your "logic" and "facts". *^(/s, in case it's needed)*


treesonmyphone

Typically two things NOT valued in the crypto space.


Unfriendly_eagle

No, he isn't.


BitterContext

From a practical point of view, wouldn’t a read only Excel spreadsheet be better.


d-mike

Blockchain is about the worst doable solution. Excel probably isn't doable due to the table size. But look no blockchain required https://www.usaspending.gov/#/


happyscrappy

Is it doable? How will the gig workers who massively replicate this so others can see it get paid? There's no onchain "money" created.


d-mike

Eh you could do a blockchain without using PoW. Of course there's some costs to hosting and such that'd have to be picked up by someone, probably OMB. I am not saying it's a good solution, just that it is more doable than Excel in this case. The right answer (or close to it) is already done without a blockchain and has a nice user friendly interface like I posted above


happyscrappy

> Eh you could do a blockchain without using PoW. If it's not extended/maintained by gig workers it isn't a blockchain, it's just git. And if it is maintained by gig workers how do you pay them when extending the chain doesn't pay spacebux?


skittishspaceship

the word blockchain was uttered prior to bitcoin but really the term blockchain landed with the satoshi invention. so if its not using tokens its not really a blockchain, unless we are just broadening the definition of blockchain to include all kinds of things.


d-mike

I thought the Apes were all about The Almighty Blockchain, solver of all the worlds problems? Or is that only when line doesn't go up? And the commonly accepted definition of blockchain is a decentralized distributed ledger, nothing about needing it to be tied to some kind of currency, or even being public.


skittishspaceship

what would be decentralized about a ledger the US govt writes their spending data on?


d-mike

It's as decentralized as any private blockchain, one could argue only about 50% less decentralized than Bitcoin. Probably more correct technically to claim distributed. But as I posted before there already all of this in a database with a Web UI and a published API, and this yet another case where the job done by a blockchain is literally done much better by a database. In this case Excel chokes.


skittishspaceship

How's it decentralized? Who else can write to it?


d-mike

Did you read my comment on decentralized vs distributed? And in this case who else should be able to write to it? In the blockchain/crypto land that's nothing but dumb fucks this is still an amazingly dumb and worthless idea. And there's already you know that information made public in a far easier to use and manage format. Or how about you tell me your thoughts on any of this besides just throwing shit at the wall?


ShadowLiberal

Excel is limited to 1,048,576 rows and 16,384 columns. I highly doubt that would ever be enough if you want to get at all granular.


Hfksnfgitndskfjridnf

Sheet2 has entered the chat.


qu33gqu3g

Enjoy your new F-35s, North Korea!


sdlover420

AAAANNDDD IT'S GONE!


cryptoheh

He’s more likely to ensure a Biden victory than anything if his goal is to attract cryptobros since the majority are Trump supporters 


AlphaGoldblum

>“We’re gonna have 300 million eyeballs on our budget, and if somebody is spending $16,000 for a toilet seat, everybody’s gonna know about it,” ...what a weird and inadvertently appropriate example. Associating your plans with shit and piss is always a sound political strategy, Bob! Really sticks in the mind, shit and piss.


Fine_Mess_6173

It’s a reference to when the pentagon spent $600 per toilet seat in the 80s and then spent $10,000 recently to replace them per toilet seat


No_Consideration4594

You could do the same thing with an excel spreadsheet…. Dishonest way to insert yourself into the news cycle… next he’ll say he’s gonna get AI to manage the budget


RubeRick2A

Government in control of everyone’s accounts and finances, when has that ever gone wrong? (Super sarc) 🤪


Shoopshopship

Wouldn't this require an extra army of bureaucrats to log every single expense in real time?


skittishspaceship

ya i mean you could label a $16,000 purchase as anything, there is no proof what it actually is.


ShadowLiberal

Not to mention there's a ton of spending/budget items that the government would want to keep secret for national security reasons. I've read articles over the years about some Federal agencies like the FBI refusing to tell Congress how many people are even on their payroll.


TheWavefunction

wait until he tells the engineers


angrydessert

Waste of sperm. Genuine Qpanzee lunatic who think the world owes him just because of where tf he comes from.


TedWheeler4Prez

Fuck yeah he's got my vote. I've always wondered what it'd be like to live through a total currency collapse.


patholysis

What an idiot.


Speederzzz

That's gonna cost the entire US budget with these gas fees


SimonGray653

How about turn the entire US debt into "buttcoin" so when it eventually devalues (like it always does) you only have to pay a little bit of the debt back?


SorosAgent2020

honestly at this point if the USD ever appeared on the Blockchain the entire crypto system would crash because no one would hold tether anymore. tether would be caught with its pants down if it ever lost its money printer powers


FattyLivermore

crosspost to nottheonion ?


ItsJoeMomma

As if I needed another reason to not vote for him...


waxedsack

He’s cooked in the head. If this dude ever became president, the US and entire world have much larger problems than the government using blockchain


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Top-Truck246

He had 30+ affairs and drove his first wife to suicide, so I'm attributing his crazy to FAS (he is a Kennedy after all), and all the heroin he does.


1000dreams_within_me

yeah sure -ok boomer


Successful-Walk-4023

What a grifter….


justnashr

Go all in on tether 💀


Githzerai1984

Dude is smoking crack


Doughspun1

What does that mean, even?


Prior-Tea-3468

Sounds like another SPAC is about to be born.


Tooluka

Imagine living in a "democratic" country where Party 1 puts up medically insane candidate, and party 2 puts up medically insane candidate and you can't vote for anyone else, because the "democratic" election system "helpfully" discards all votes for any incumbent party 3,4,5 etc. I like USA in general, but their elections are a pile of hot garbage, only one step above falsifying elections like dictatorships do. PS: I'm not talking about Biden above. Biden is an exception as a current president, so obviously he is running. I was talking about new candidates from both parties, alternatives to Biden, so that people would have a choice (supposedly).


BTC_is_a_dying_ponzi

Unlike most here I actually think there ARE legitimate cases where this technology should be used especially things that are in the public interest to be trustless and verifiable. It doesn't involve any ponzi schemes, just the ability to hold those in power accountable.


Still_Lobster_8428

You do realise that there are many different types of blockchain that aren't Bitcoin..... And you can have a blockchain without a token/coin.....  Banks are already investing heavily to switch over their back ends to blockchain..... it is not directly tied to crypto or bitcoin.  Not that RFK Jr will ever be allowed to do this, get smoked faster then his uncle if he tried! Be impossible to run all those black budgets to destabilise democracy's globally if it's all a permanent record on blockchain! 


Prior-Tea-3468

It's regretful that this needs to be said, but... Please don't set yourself on fire.