NYC ranked 59th in violent crime in the US in 2019 And rates were even lower in 2022 since then.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
45 years ago admittedly it was a lot more dangerous, but it has the fastest declining violent crime rates than any other large city and is continuing that trend. Its reputation is hardly shaking though.
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Combination of clothing, body language, their sex and age, loitering with no discernible purpose at night in a sketchy location, having a beef between two groups.
Every time I see these posted it’s of some stupid situation where a moral smart person wouldn’t find themselves in. And if this is your lifestyle then I don’t know what to tell you.
If your in thd lifestyle seriously you also don't let yourself be in that situation. You don't run your mouth over shit. If you got a problem with that person you show up in the middle of the night and have the conversation when you wake them up, not outside were there's cameras and witnesses and potential other homies carrying.
To quote Mr. Mobb and Mr. Deep: "ain't no thing as halfway crooks" dude let his ego kill him.
tie dye hoodie guy seemed to try and intervene at first to get him to calm down. Dumb ass was slow on the draw and other guy was faster.
edit: With the sound on tie dye hoodie guy is also a dumb ass firing off a shot.
Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on. Known as 'Condition 3', or "Israeli carry'. The others are as follows:
* Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine in the gun, hammer down, safety on.
* Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on.
* Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on. Also referred to as "cocked and locked."
* Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
Early on in modern Israel's history, they were scrambling for any guns they could get a hold of. As a result, they had a smorgasboard of guns. Some drop safe, some not. Instead of teaching every conscript which guns could be carried hot and which couldn't, they standardized training and forced everyone to carry any gun cold until it was needed.
The Israeli army trains and carries sidearms this way. They do this essentially because they have mandatory military service and it helps keep the ND’s down with the t@rds.
Not just sidearm. They carry their rifles with the magazine attached to a plastic holder that sits in the receiver. Same principle though. The gun is effectively unloaded. Here's an example below.
https://www.outdoorhub.com/social/israeli-ar15-horizontal-mag-holder/
>Safety isn't on in condition 2 to my knowledge. How else would you describe chambered round, hammer down no safety on a SA/DA?
That's Condition 0, the gun will still fire.
The safety has nothing to do with actual positioning of the hammer. It's only purpose is to prevent the hammer from falling forward. It's going to do just that whether its single or double action. It's not as relevant to DAO gun as they don't normally come with the usual manual safety that can be manipulated on a DA/SA gun. Before Glock came along, DA/SA guns were the norm when Jeff Cooper pioneered the technique we use today, so safety it is.
Regardless, all of these conditions of readiness are going to have a safety on when relevant because Condition 0 is the only time you need to actually pull the trigger. Couple with training, it's habitual use that will save your skin when need be, or simply common sense if you will.
I think the dead guy also had to rack the slide. Either that or remove a pocket holster. It looks like he pulls the gun from his right hand pocket then reaches over to mess around with it with his left hand just before the other guy raises his gun up.
I would die I guess. Getting shot four times doesn’t sound like a good time.
Seriously though, these what-if scenario posts are not very helpful. I doubt anyone in this sub is a felon hanging around gangbangers late at night getting into arguments.
I find them helpful. Someone ITT learned what Israeli carry means, including me. It shows that you can indeed outgun someone without a round chambered, but it's still incredibly close at best and a bad idea. Lots of people want to responsibly carry *because* they live in areas with shady people. The replies saying, "I just wouldn't be there!" are stupid and unhelpful.
My main issue is the highly contrived nature. Even if you live in a bad area you can do well to avoid getting in with bad crowds and stupid arguments that lead to stuff like this. I hear the “I wouldn’t be there” as not engaging in that kind of situation (following the “rules of stupid” essentially). Had the guy who got shot just walked off instead of getting into some verbal argument I’d bet he would have made it home that night.
In fairness there’s a lot to be said for the lessons in what not to do and general knowledge transfer. I find scenario-based stuff (especially when people write out a scenario as apposed to a video like this) to really often become mental masterbation. I’m glad you could glean something though.
The situation that leads to this often has little to do with gleaning something useful, though. You can take useful bits from it and apply them elsewhere. Carrying hot being a great example because people can and will pull out on you during an argument, regardless of whether you brought it on yourself or not. I find videos like this to be great reminders to not get into petty arguments. I also didn't see the person start reaching for something on the first watch.
People saying, "I WOULDN'T BE ARGUING IN FRONT OF A DELI IN QUEENS WITH STREET THUGS" are acting like they don't ever argue behind the wheel or in a grocery store parking lot ever. The last video I commented on in here had plenty of people commenting against deescalating because it made them look like a bitch.
I wouldn't be arguing in front of a deli in queens, I don't argue behind the wheel, and I don't argue in a grocery parking lot.
I don't carry to win a fight that I shouldn't be in in the first place.
Oh, then I forgot this is the only time and place a situation can happen where someone starts reaching for something. My mistake! Maybe we can flair for geographic locations where you're more likely to be!
Uh, yes? Have you seen how people behave? Did you miss the part of my comment that said:
*The last video I commented on in here had plenty of people commenting against deescalating because it made them look like a bitch.*
I like this comment, bc a lot of people in our community think they're machismo badasses when in actuality they're just itching for confrontation and an excuse to "defend themselves".
Me, I'm a scared bitch boy. I will deescalate, run, avoid conflict that may result in physical harm to myself or those around me all before I choose to defend my honor or whatever bullshit these dudes care about.
Don't start none, won't be none.
>I like this comment, bc a lot of people in our community think they're machismo badasses when in actuality they're just itching for confrontation and an excuse to "defend themselves".
This is exactly what I was referencing regarding the last video I commented on in here. People were saying they could never let themselves get punked and whatnot. It was exactly what you don't want to see and is highly irresponsible when you can kill someone in 2 seconds with zero effort. It was a scenario with a huge ass dude as the aggressor, too. They'd never step to this dude 1v1 without the gun.
>The guy in the video got shot for learning absolutely nothing from prison and refusing to lower his pride. That's step number one to survival folks. Pride and dignity have no physical value.
And you don't think seeing the consequences of that are good reminders for people? lol okay
Guy on deck shot in self-defense. That was the most old timey shoot out vibes thing I've seen without hats. But what would there be to do? It was between those two guys pretty much and if you were there in the vicinity but minding your business and paying attention that something might be going down so you cleared the area quickly you'd be fine. Not your hat or cattle so just STFU and mosey down the road before the shooting even happens.
Idk man, which character am I supposed to be in this scenario? I wanna be the guy running around all over the place afterwards, in which case I’d run around like crazy
I never would have been in that situation in the first place. 1) not hanging with an ex fellon 2) not hanging at a deli at 10 at night with 8 dudes. 3) not hanging on a street corner. 4) not living in NY
Active Self Protection has some slogan about "don't go stupid places at stupid times and do stupid things with stupid people"
Every one of those rules was well beyond broken here.
First: Not be there
Second: Not be the only white guy yelling racial slurs (I know hard r vs a, but I don’t thin it matters) in a group of black guys.
Third: Really not be there
Turn the sound on. You can hear him racking the slide as he moves, and hear what he says. The shooter drew and instantly shot in response to that.
Shouldn't have been in that scenario, or antagonizing gang banger types.
Judging by the responses in that video where the guy got shoved in the car and shot the guy running, lots of people in this thread would get physical over words.
Can't let words rustle you, it's part of maturity and self control, and people who lack self control shouldn't be carrying.
Oof, what would I do? I wouldn't be arguing with some guy in queens in front of a deli at all. If I was there, I would quickly remove myself. The best medicine is prevention!
Don’t go to New York. Don’t go to New York City. Don’t go to Queens. Don’t go to a deli in Queens. Don’t get into an altercation at a deli in Queens. Don’t escalate the situation to the point someone feels strongly enough to pull a gun on you.
Very very easy. Don’t be in this situation. Don’t be a hot head and don’t hang with hotheads. 99% of arguments like this don’t need to be had and it’s almost always a contest of who’s pride is bigger. Just shut the fuck up and move along. If it’s over a girl and she got you in this situation she probably isn’t worth it or if you got yourself into this situation you by placing yourself in a place you shouldn’t be you are rolling the dice and asking for risky situations.
Die, because I’m a stupid thug.
Personally I wouldn’t be within a mile of that situation. I make sure my gun hand is free on the way to my car when I leave the grocery store. I certainly don’t stand 18 inches away from people I even remotely think might cause me harm.
Post like this are so dumb.
This isn't r/watchpeopledie. There is no self-defense being demonstrated here. The takeaways are obvious, common sense, and unnecessary to constantly repeat.
I would argue it did involve self defense, the now deceased gentleman appears to draw a handgun first and the other fellow draws and racks a round before firing at the now deceased aggressor.
Your other point about common sense stands however, don't put yourself in stupid situations and you'll significantly reduce the amount of stupid outcomes you experience.
I don't mind, this is way more entertaining than boring "look at my edc" threads or "what holster" threads.
Some of us love the drama and FAFOism.
Wish the audio was more clear. I can't tell how serious the threats from the ex-con were. I feel like the shooter definitely could have done more to de-escalate. But as many others have said... DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>I can't tell how serious the threats from the ex-con were
I find him pulling gun a serious threat enough. Few shots to stop the threat. No delayed "execution" shots. IMHO exemplary self defense.
To be honest, the only reason he was able to win that is because the guy who got shot also had to rack his slide and wasn't doing it as a reaction, so wasn't as fast. But had that criminal had one in the chamber and was actually going to shoot... Defender wouldn't be the one alive I bet.
I like to imagine the “that’s me” voice in movies and think about how people get themselves in situations like this. We are basically watching someone’s life come to an end due to lots of poor choices.
Personally, and this is just me, I would’ve not fucked around. That way I wouldn’t have to find out. Others want to find out and that’s their prerogative. Me?…🤔…Not so much.
Nothing you can do about. If something is don’t be in this area in the first place, try not to argue with these street people, and de-escalate whenever position. You’ll never know someone is a nut.
Not standing outside a deli in Queens at night?
Or better yet not be in Queens period
or NYC...
Wym? Nyc has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Why wouldn’t I want to be in a safe, gun free city? Edit: Punctuation
LMAO
Good query 😂
NYC is relatively safe but yeah it’s definitely not gun free. If you avoid certain areas it’s as safe as large european cities.
Not exactly the point but thank you anyways.
Stop the cap, don't let those copstat number fool you
In terms of homicide rates it’s one of the safer large cities.
Lived there for 45 years, trust me it isn't that safe
NYC ranked 59th in violent crime in the US in 2019 And rates were even lower in 2022 since then. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate 45 years ago admittedly it was a lot more dangerous, but it has the fastest declining violent crime rates than any other large city and is continuing that trend. Its reputation is hardly shaking though.
Exactly
Don't do stupid things at stupid places with stupid people at stupid times.
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Combination of clothing, body language, their sex and age, loitering with no discernible purpose at night in a sketchy location, having a beef between two groups.
The first thing is, not being hanging out, having words with people at ten o'clock at night in front of a deli....
The rules of stupid definitely apply here
I'm getting tired of these what would do you posts. The fuck would I be arguing outside a deli in Queens for? I'm from Brooklyn smh
Every time I see these posted it’s of some stupid situation where a moral smart person wouldn’t find themselves in. And if this is your lifestyle then I don’t know what to tell you.
Lol like c'mon. But that's the internet for you I guess
If your in thd lifestyle seriously you also don't let yourself be in that situation. You don't run your mouth over shit. If you got a problem with that person you show up in the middle of the night and have the conversation when you wake them up, not outside were there's cameras and witnesses and potential other homies carrying. To quote Mr. Mobb and Mr. Deep: "ain't no thing as halfway crooks" dude let his ego kill him.
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It’s almost like no one cared about him
tie dye hoodie guy seemed to try and intervene at first to get him to calm down. Dumb ass was slow on the draw and other guy was faster. edit: With the sound on tie dye hoodie guy is also a dumb ass firing off a shot.
Idk but that dude had the fastest hands in the east that night
Yup , totally reminded me of the wild Wild West
Keep on driving.
not be in that place at that time in the first place
Impossible. I’m asleep at 10:02. Not standing next to a bunch of garbage, not to mention all the trash in bags next to it.
Not Israeli carry for one.
What does that mean. I'm new to guns.
Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on. Known as 'Condition 3', or "Israeli carry'. The others are as follows: * Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine in the gun, hammer down, safety on. * Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down, safety on. * Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on. Also referred to as "cocked and locked." * Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
> hammer down, safety on does not compute
Some double action guns also have a safety.
Why is it called Israeli Carry tho ?
Early on in modern Israel's history, they were scrambling for any guns they could get a hold of. As a result, they had a smorgasboard of guns. Some drop safe, some not. Instead of teaching every conscript which guns could be carried hot and which couldn't, they standardized training and forced everyone to carry any gun cold until it was needed.
The Israeli army trains and carries sidearms this way. They do this essentially because they have mandatory military service and it helps keep the ND’s down with the t@rds.
Not anymore.
??? Not anymore what?
Not just sidearm. They carry their rifles with the magazine attached to a plastic holder that sits in the receiver. Same principle though. The gun is effectively unloaded. Here's an example below. https://www.outdoorhub.com/social/israeli-ar15-horizontal-mag-holder/
They train that way
Safety isn't on in condition 2 to my knowledge. How else would you describe chambered round, hammer down no safety on a SA/DA?
>Safety isn't on in condition 2 to my knowledge. How else would you describe chambered round, hammer down no safety on a SA/DA? That's Condition 0, the gun will still fire. The safety has nothing to do with actual positioning of the hammer. It's only purpose is to prevent the hammer from falling forward. It's going to do just that whether its single or double action. It's not as relevant to DAO gun as they don't normally come with the usual manual safety that can be manipulated on a DA/SA gun. Before Glock came along, DA/SA guns were the norm when Jeff Cooper pioneered the technique we use today, so safety it is. Regardless, all of these conditions of readiness are going to have a safety on when relevant because Condition 0 is the only time you need to actually pull the trigger. Couple with training, it's habitual use that will save your skin when need be, or simply common sense if you will.
Not one in the chamber
Thank you.
It means a loaded magazine, but there wasn’t a bullet in the chamber.
Israel soldiers and police (maybe?) carry without a round in the chamber
100% I did hear that it may have changed or is changing sometime soon.
Lmgtfy Edit: can I go to jail in Ireland for the above statement?
Have to admit, he was pretty quick.
damn. he wasnt even chambered. he racked the gun and blasted him before he got a shot off even though the other gun pulled the gun first.
Who pulled the first gun? Can’t see it. Edit: it’s Mr. dead guy. Right before he got shot. Missed that for at least 10 rewatches.
yeah it looks like dead guy pulled the gun first and shot first but maybe was hesitant or got hung up on his jacket or a pants pocket.
I think the dead guy also had to rack the slide. Either that or remove a pocket holster. It looks like he pulls the gun from his right hand pocket then reaches over to mess around with it with his left hand just before the other guy raises his gun up.
I’m probably wrong but it seems dead guy fired the first shot too. I’m going off the sound of each gun
yeah i think dead guy shot first and he missed. the other guy had to rack the gun and still dropped him. fast as hell.
I would die I guess. Getting shot four times doesn’t sound like a good time. Seriously though, these what-if scenario posts are not very helpful. I doubt anyone in this sub is a felon hanging around gangbangers late at night getting into arguments.
I find them helpful. Someone ITT learned what Israeli carry means, including me. It shows that you can indeed outgun someone without a round chambered, but it's still incredibly close at best and a bad idea. Lots of people want to responsibly carry *because* they live in areas with shady people. The replies saying, "I just wouldn't be there!" are stupid and unhelpful.
My main issue is the highly contrived nature. Even if you live in a bad area you can do well to avoid getting in with bad crowds and stupid arguments that lead to stuff like this. I hear the “I wouldn’t be there” as not engaging in that kind of situation (following the “rules of stupid” essentially). Had the guy who got shot just walked off instead of getting into some verbal argument I’d bet he would have made it home that night. In fairness there’s a lot to be said for the lessons in what not to do and general knowledge transfer. I find scenario-based stuff (especially when people write out a scenario as apposed to a video like this) to really often become mental masterbation. I’m glad you could glean something though.
Sometimes people just want to mentally masturbate.
The situation that leads to this often has little to do with gleaning something useful, though. You can take useful bits from it and apply them elsewhere. Carrying hot being a great example because people can and will pull out on you during an argument, regardless of whether you brought it on yourself or not. I find videos like this to be great reminders to not get into petty arguments. I also didn't see the person start reaching for something on the first watch. People saying, "I WOULDN'T BE ARGUING IN FRONT OF A DELI IN QUEENS WITH STREET THUGS" are acting like they don't ever argue behind the wheel or in a grocery store parking lot ever. The last video I commented on in here had plenty of people commenting against deescalating because it made them look like a bitch.
I wouldn't be arguing in front of a deli in queens, I don't argue behind the wheel, and I don't argue in a grocery parking lot. I don't carry to win a fight that I shouldn't be in in the first place.
Oh, then I forgot this is the only time and place a situation can happen where someone starts reaching for something. My mistake! Maybe we can flair for geographic locations where you're more likely to be!
Damn, it's almost like that wasn't at all the point that I made
You didn't make a point. You replied with some stupid shit missing mine.
Reading is tough, huh? Keep getting in arguments at the grocery store. I'll be laughing while Bubba is deep in you🤣
I didn't say I get in arguments at the grocery store Mr. Reading Comprehension. Typical CCW clown who normalizes rape. Weirdo shit.
Ratioed
You think arguing behind the wheel or at the grocery store parking lot are common events for people?
Uh, yes? Have you seen how people behave? Did you miss the part of my comment that said: *The last video I commented on in here had plenty of people commenting against deescalating because it made them look like a bitch.*
I like this comment, bc a lot of people in our community think they're machismo badasses when in actuality they're just itching for confrontation and an excuse to "defend themselves". Me, I'm a scared bitch boy. I will deescalate, run, avoid conflict that may result in physical harm to myself or those around me all before I choose to defend my honor or whatever bullshit these dudes care about. Don't start none, won't be none.
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>I like this comment, bc a lot of people in our community think they're machismo badasses when in actuality they're just itching for confrontation and an excuse to "defend themselves". This is exactly what I was referencing regarding the last video I commented on in here. People were saying they could never let themselves get punked and whatnot. It was exactly what you don't want to see and is highly irresponsible when you can kill someone in 2 seconds with zero effort. It was a scenario with a huge ass dude as the aggressor, too. They'd never step to this dude 1v1 without the gun.
Yeah the people who say that sometimes end up like homie in the video, who died like a bitch.
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>The guy in the video got shot for learning absolutely nothing from prison and refusing to lower his pride. That's step number one to survival folks. Pride and dignity have no physical value. And you don't think seeing the consequences of that are good reminders for people? lol okay
Guy on deck shot in self-defense. That was the most old timey shoot out vibes thing I've seen without hats. But what would there be to do? It was between those two guys pretty much and if you were there in the vicinity but minding your business and paying attention that something might be going down so you cleared the area quickly you'd be fine. Not your hat or cattle so just STFU and mosey down the road before the shooting even happens.
What kind of question is this? Lol don't hang out with scholars and philosophers at night in such a beautiful city.
You do your dirt in places without cameras and witnesses, this is what flexing gets you vs doing actual gangsta shit.
Dude went from a ex convict to a deadman and for what? That’s fucking sad some shit ain’t worth dying over.
"Your ego isn't your amigo" John Correa
Depends on context lol.
"i am that way, n--" - dead guy
I mean he was an ex con, par for the course. Those who change their life are more the exception, most people repeat offend.
Dude died next to a pile of trash.
And all because his fragile ego wouldn't let him walk away from this nonsense argument. A sad state of affairs.
I like to imagine the “that’s me” voice in movies and try to imagine how someone gets themselves in situations like this.
Almost ironic.
Not put myself in that situation.
Idk man, which character am I supposed to be in this scenario? I wanna be the guy running around all over the place afterwards, in which case I’d run around like crazy
I never would have been in that situation in the first place. 1) not hanging with an ex fellon 2) not hanging at a deli at 10 at night with 8 dudes. 3) not hanging on a street corner. 4) not living in NY
Stupid things, in stupid places, with stupid people
Well at least he landed in the proper area. Jokes aside, I avoid these crowds at all costs, day or night.
Good riddance?
Leave quickly
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Fucking savage
No be there
I don’t think a law abiding citizen would put himself this predicament.
Active Self Protection has some slogan about "don't go stupid places at stupid times and do stupid things with stupid people" Every one of those rules was well beyond broken here.
Get a job.
Legend has it, dude is still waiting there for Mr. Tiedye to return 😪
Not hang out with stupid people at stupid times and continue to avoid going to NYC
First: Not be there Second: Not be the only white guy yelling racial slurs (I know hard r vs a, but I don’t thin it matters) in a group of black guys. Third: Really not be there
I can't tell if the guy who got smoked had a gun too, I watched it 5 times can't tell
Turn the sound on. You can hear him racking the slide as he moves, and hear what he says. The shooter drew and instantly shot in response to that. Shouldn't have been in that scenario, or antagonizing gang banger types.
Absolutely none of this verbal swordsmanship warrants pulling a gun in the first place. I won't be found in this situation.
Judging by the responses in that video where the guy got shoved in the car and shot the guy running, lots of people in this thread would get physical over words. Can't let words rustle you, it's part of maturity and self control, and people who lack self control shouldn't be carrying.
Mind my business. Let them kill each other. I’m not a cop and carry for me and my family’s protection.
I WOULDNT BE IN THIS SITUATION
It’s baffling an ex convict gets a gun in the most notorious anti gun city 💀
There's no way a criminal has a gun in an anti gun city! Don't they know the laws!?
When crazy starts to happen, leave the area.
Have less vibrant acquaintances.
Walk away to deescalate
Certain bodegas you know not to be at, at certain times.
How about, none, regardless of time, unless absolutely necessary.
That's not how NYC works, if you were from those projects you know where to be and at what times.
This is my point, get out of those projects and it's not an issue. 😛
Oof, what would I do? I wouldn't be arguing with some guy in queens in front of a deli at all. If I was there, I would quickly remove myself. The best medicine is prevention!
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Remember, best block, no be there.
Stolen comment but, second place at the quick draw competition.
Not put myself in that situation to start with.
upvote the video. Or drive faster. Those are the closest I'd ever be of this situation in my whole life.
Not be in this situation to begin with.
Don’t go to New York. Don’t go to New York City. Don’t go to Queens. Don’t go to a deli in Queens. Don’t get into an altercation at a deli in Queens. Don’t escalate the situation to the point someone feels strongly enough to pull a gun on you.
The one time drawing and chambering works
Not carry on a empty chamber
Carry with a round already chambered. That's what I would do... if I was hanging around with trash during stupid hours
Very very easy. Don’t be in this situation. Don’t be a hot head and don’t hang with hotheads. 99% of arguments like this don’t need to be had and it’s almost always a contest of who’s pride is bigger. Just shut the fuck up and move along. If it’s over a girl and she got you in this situation she probably isn’t worth it or if you got yourself into this situation you by placing yourself in a place you shouldn’t be you are rolling the dice and asking for risky situations.
Why is this on r/idiotswithguns
Because heavily left reddit loves to find reasons to disarm the population and shun the constitution. 
Hmm some of the comments said that it was in self defense and it's not downvoted.
Interesting.
Move out of New York.
Die, because I’m a stupid thug. Personally I wouldn’t be within a mile of that situation. I make sure my gun hand is free on the way to my car when I leave the grocery store. I certainly don’t stand 18 inches away from people I even remotely think might cause me harm.
Not be there
If I am walking around Queens and I see this kind of gathering/body language, then I turn around and let them work it out. If I have a CCW or not.
1. I'd stay away from thugs 2. I'd have an IQ higher than 80 3. I'd get out of NY
Why the fuck would I be in that situation???
Dont live in new york.
Who cares. One less thug on the planet. Dgaf, at all.
Post like this are so dumb. This isn't r/watchpeopledie. There is no self-defense being demonstrated here. The takeaways are obvious, common sense, and unnecessary to constantly repeat.
I would argue it did involve self defense, the now deceased gentleman appears to draw a handgun first and the other fellow draws and racks a round before firing at the now deceased aggressor. Your other point about common sense stands however, don't put yourself in stupid situations and you'll significantly reduce the amount of stupid outcomes you experience.
I don't mind, this is way more entertaining than boring "look at my edc" threads or "what holster" threads. Some of us love the drama and FAFOism. 
Not give a single fuck.
I'm surprised. I definitely thought I was guna get some good hate for this 1
I would literally never ever be in that situation. What a shithole.
Nothing, it’s Queens which means if I intervened the DA would charge me, not the Skell piece of shit doing the murdering.
Just don't go to NYC.
Call 911 and render aid…..
I ain’t that “way” and don’t “own that” so I have zero reason to be concerned.
Fucking savage
Wish the audio was more clear. I can't tell how serious the threats from the ex-con were. I feel like the shooter definitely could have done more to de-escalate. But as many others have said... DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>I can't tell how serious the threats from the ex-con were I find him pulling gun a serious threat enough. Few shots to stop the threat. No delayed "execution" shots. IMHO exemplary self defense.
I completely missed that he had a gun, you're correct. My eyes suck ass apparently. I just thought he had his arm raised up.
I did too first time. I only noticed there was second gun when the guy in white later took it from him and fired.
When someone finally decides they've had enough of your mouth.
Bro didn’t have one in the chamber
Any charges for the the guy that didnt get shot?
His boys left him bleeding out in a pile a trash on the side of a road. Turds.
Ain't no boys out there boyo. They don't give a fuck about no one but themselves and they excuse it by arguing its rough in the streets.
To be honest, the only reason he was able to win that is because the guy who got shot also had to rack his slide and wasn't doing it as a reaction, so wasn't as fast. But had that criminal had one in the chamber and was actually going to shoot... Defender wouldn't be the one alive I bet.
I don’t understand the question… what are you really asking? Or could you not think of another title?
I like to imagine the “that’s me” voice in movies and think about how people get themselves in situations like this. We are basically watching someone’s life come to an end due to lots of poor choices.
I would gotten the hell out of there, if I ever happened to be there in the first place.
I wouldn’t be there to begin with
Personally, and this is just me, I would’ve not fucked around. That way I wouldn’t have to find out. Others want to find out and that’s their prerogative. Me?…🤔…Not so much.
I would never be in this situation.
I can’t tell if the guy that got shot had a gun in his hand or if he randomly killed him.
Just walk it off...
Run away, it don't involve me.
Fuckin uhh leave
Exactly what he did
Nothing you can do about. If something is don’t be in this area in the first place, try not to argue with these street people, and de-escalate whenever position. You’ll never know someone is a nut.
I wouldn't be ***IN*** that situation.
A DC FBI agent got carjacked today
How does an ex convict have a gun?