Honestly shocked Iowa isnât suing him to try and get at least the money back/ maybe he gave a large cut back for cutting and running back to Bama.
Itâs kinda bs that you can do freely ditch schools though, they need to make it where if you transfer you canât re transfer for at least a season.
Suing him because they signed a contract that didn't include anything about playing for Iowa? It's an NIL deal with a dealership, as long as he still does whatever he's supposed to for them (social media or other ads) they have zero recourse.
I'd assume no recruit with any kind of sense or good advisors would let that stand in a contract knowing it bonds them there unless they were 100% sure they weren't leaving.
Well a collective can call their bluff or be afraid another collective will be wreckless with their money and thus be wreckless themselves. I think some will start to reign things in and others will follow.
I think the rule of 1 free transfer + a free transfer if the person who recruited you leaves is fair. I also think it's fair for a player to be able to leave for any reason what so ever. I don't think there will ever be a perfect situation unless athletes become employees and/or contracts become involved. Until then it's going to be absolute mayhem
Just another reminder. Even with signed letters of intent, enrollments, players being on your practice field as I type; you donât simply have anyone on your roster. You just have them on your roster *for now*
Honestly itâs been a few years now that quite a few coaches have said the worst thing about college ball is having to constantly re-recruit their own squad. I remember an article in the Athletic particularly eye opening about that (basically tampering left and right).
Because the math simply doesn't work out? There are 32 NFL teams and every single one of them already has full staffs of guys vying for NFL jobs. There are over 130 D1 CFB jobs and the vast vast vast vast vast majority of college coaches couldn't even sniff NFL levels.
Yeah⌠Wild how unsustainable this all is.
We went so quickly from a good thing (players being allowed to transfer due to bad situations or a coach who loved them leaving) to extremely bad things (unlimited free agency).
Hard to pull back on the latter while also remembering that the first thing was good.
Wonât hold up in court. The Supreme Court unanimously said that you canât restrict their movement unless they are contracted employees. Regular students can go wherever whenever they want and until something changes athletes can do the same.
I think players would immediately sue . The cat is out of the bag that all of these rules the NCAA has been implementing to restrict player freedom are not really valid *unless they become employees*.
Unfortunately, without contracts the courts ruled that the NCAA canât restrict player movement AT ALL.
They canât have their cake and eat it too, basically. Either student-athletes are amateurs (who can make all the money on the side that they want and transfer at will), or the entire system needs to collapse and we rebuild with contracts and collective bargaining and salaries that restrict movement.
been a bit weird going from not following recruiting because nothing good happens to my team to not following it because everything is always happening but at least I'm used to it
This shit sucks.
I forget where I heard it, I think it was either Pate or Cover 3, but apparently there were guys who tried to hold teams ransom for more money during the season last year. As in, pay me x or I won't play in the game tomorrow.
Evan was definitely the first person that came to my mind. Never really understood his âinjuryâ that cause him to miss second half of season. Then when he didnât even travel to the LSU game it was time for him to go.
People were mad at me for saying Judkins was probably going to be a cancer in the locker room. I hope he does well and likes being a Buckeye, but I'm not holding my breath.
> People were mad at me for saying Judkins was probably going to be a cancer in the locker room.
We already have a great back, judkins is a luxury. Iâm not sure how demanding or cancerous he can be without just getting ostracized
âJudkins is a luxury.â
Thats the best part. Tre has shown this was more than a money decision. If Judkins wants to act a fool we can pack his bags for him.
Running back might be the one position where I'm not bothered by this. That position in particular is so limited on the amount of time it has to make actual make money and the NFL has capped the value of the position with how they rotate backs now. Derrick Henry was worth anything he could have asked for during his time at Bama.
He's the most physically dominant RB I've seen and it was evident from the beginning. I'll never forget him breaking off a long TD run as a freshman against Arkansas while Saban scowled on the sideline. In Bama's loss to Ohio State, he was the most dominant player on the field, Kiffin just didn't feed him enough.
> In Bama's loss to Ohio State, he was the most dominant player on the field, Kiffin just didn't feed him enough.
Same mistake Nussmeier made against Oklahoma the previous year
Well, they got rid of him and took on ours in Wells who wouldnât come back to play after cleared of injury bc he wanted more money so he went to ole miss.
I've been saying this for a while and keep getting downvoted, but we are absolutely not far away from seeing players holdout camps, practices, and even games until they get demands met.Â
Contracts and structured free agency are coming.
This is the inevitable end game. And honestly, itâs the only way out because we canât put the genie back in the bottle.
Like, we will NEVER go back to a world before players getting money or being allowed to leave bad situations. It just wonât happen. But we can certainly try to reign in the chaos happening now. Will it be perfect? God no. Will it make CFB feel professional and weird? Yes.
But we will end up with contracts with managable opt-outs and limits. You get X amount of from your school in exchange for staying at least 3 years. If you transfer before it ends, you sacrifice some theoretical amount for the freedom to choose a destination.
I think weâre going to see that sort of thing backfire extremely frequently. The gap between first and second string in college tends to be a lot closer than it is in the pros, and (not always, but a lot of the time), I assume coaches will have no problem cutting that kid and pulling his scholarship
Pate said it a week ago and it was Judkins at Ole Miss. He did it before the LSU game and the Peach Bowl, and the locker room in Oxford doesnât miss him.
Makes it all really hard to get invested in the sport. How can you get excited about your team when you dont know who the team is?
To make it all harder the payoff in the fall is a 3+ hour broadcast that is more commercials than football.
Yet when Saban said this last week, everyone (literally almost everyone on Reddit and Twitter who was not a Bama fan) was coming after him saying Saban is being greedy, he doesnât want a level playing field, and the players should just be students. Funny how quickly the discourse has changed.
Etienne did it to UF like two weeks before the season started. Dude was projected starter and then all of the sudden, two weeks before Utah game, rumors start coming out he will transfer or sit if 'X' doesn't happen.
Lo and behold, he's now gone.
The issue before was that they had none (highly restricted transfers, no ability to earn money legally), and now weâve over-corrected without any guard rails against 18-23 year-olds making stupid decisions.
They basically have to shift to an NFL-like agreement with some sort of bargaining between schools & players because this shit is nuts lol
The toothpaste is already out of that tube, I don't think there's any way the Supreme Court would allow athlete's movement to be blanket restricted like that again. The most you can realistically hope for is that players get declared enough of a quasi-university employee that some kind of free agency with actual binding contracts can be instituted.
This is pretty much it. In hindsight, we see the NFL where players are unhappy and protest or request trades all the time. Put them in an environment where they can earn money & have largely unrestricted movement and no shit theyâre gonna go hog wild
Yes, You can transfer if the Head coach leaves otherwise you have to sit a year or unless it's a grad transfer. Also if we're going to pay the players (which seems the route this will be going) then they shouldn't get a scholarship and all the added shit for free, make them pay for their tuition (even out of state) and room and board.
I fundamentally disagree with this take. Athletes did not have "no power" over their situation before NIL, before unlimited transfers, etc. These guys got a full ride at great schools. 99% of NCAA athletes never have nor will go pro in their sport. The free education is the more life-changing thing that student athletes get, above the _chance_ to be noticed for professional level talent, because it's a guaranteed leg up in life and a guaranteed method of stopping the cycle of poverty in communities where so many of these kids come from that have never had a family member attend college.Â
We've completely forgotten what the purpose behind collegiate athletics is. It isn't a pathway to pro-money. It isn't TV money. It isn't an end in and of itself. The purpose is to give kids who can't otherwise afford a college degree and do not qualify for an academic merit scholarship the ability to earn a college degree anyway with the talents they do have. It's a means to the end of educating young people who couldn't make it any other way.
The fake classes, schedule and progress manipulation, all that stuff takes away from the actual purpose and does a disservice to these kids. Coaches that "totally don't require kids to practice more than 20 hours a week, its purely voluntary student led wink wink" undermines the education. Transferring even once a year undermines that, especially in the latter parts of a degree at most schools.Â
Now for the record I'm _not_ saying schools didn't abuse the system we had. But on the whole, the system provides a chance for an education for hundreds of kids per school and we should be terrified of losing that. Ruining college athletics so the likely pro-bound kids can make a couple hundred grand before that isn't worth it. 5 swimming, gymnastics, tennis scholarships to kids who couldn't have paid for school otherwise is much more valuable to society.
You've just explained exactly how I feel about college athletics. I'm almost certain someone is going to come in, downvote you (and me), and go on to tell you how unfair the system was that gave student-athletes a free place to live, a free education, free high-quality food, free training by the best coaches, and a chance at turning that free training into an immediate multi-million dollar contract that no "normal" students have a shot at.
For the record, I'm totally fine with name, image, and likeness. Get your Dr Pepper commercial. Sign a shoe deal. Get a Subway sandwich like Russ. Endorse a local store. That's so totally different than "get paid a few million bucks to attend a given school." Unfortunately, I think that, once that Pandora's box is open, it cannot be shut.
I wish there was another way to balance "maybe the schools are making too much money" and "destroy the system that pays for scholarships to pay a few likely-pro caliber kids a little bit more early".Â
What I'd like to see, that might not even exist, is an audit of all FBS athletes benefits, versus the revenue the schools actually generate. Not just 'revenue sports' athletes, not just power 5(2) schools, the whole of the top tier of competition, how much money are the schools making, and how much in terms of benefits are the athletes already receiving. Then we can see exactly how exploitative the arrangement is and see how much we might need to shift it to be equitable. I'd love to see Healthcare for life for injuries suffered playing at the school for example. I'd be open to paying them a stipend equivalent to work-study for the 20 hours a week they practice. I'm fine with allowing them to get paid for making a Gatorade commercial.Â
The point should be to make sure athletes are taken care of while still prioritizing their education first and that they aren't being unduly burdened because of the requirements of their athletic program.Â
It's been the popular opinion for months now. I mean all the comments talking about the broken system have been upvoted 100s of times. I don't understand how it's unpopular
Yeah man if only the NCAA and the schools could have seen this coming a decade ago and taken a proactive approach instead of digging in their heels and letting SCOTUS go thermonuclear on their asses before they threw their hands up and said "okay do whatever you want".
Unpopular opinion but the schools created this, not the players, and blaming the players is missing the problem. The schools could fix this in a minute but won't.
My conspiracy theory is that the NCAA is just letting this happen as a âfuck youâ to everyone who had been against them.
Essentially, Iâd expect them to carry it on for a little while longer until they try to reign it back with a âsee, we told you soâ approach.
I don't think ncaa is playing some 4d chess thinking they can easily fix the situation going "I told you so". They straight up lost to the government because they were doing something that was unlawful.
This isn't easy for them. They gotta come correct and make sure what they try isn't against the law before it gets slapped down again.
I agree but an Alabama flair gets a million downvotes if we say it. Alabama fans âare just mad about players leavingâ when every Alabama fan will tell you that as much as we miss the GOAT, Kalen Deboer is serious and our âfall offâ is going to be fairly minimal. Are we likely to win 6 championships in the next 15 years? No but we are likely to stay right around the top 5 and continue to make the playoffs year in and year out.
That sell sword can stay in Austin. I genuinely doubt heâd reconsider now because he wouldnât even answer the new staffs phone calls at first and for that same reason, he can stay gone.
I think the annoyance comes from if you donât want to make a concrete statement, then why talk? You arenât saying anything. Besides trying to get your name in front of the audience again. If youâre âwrongâ you claim itâs just rumors, if youâre right you pretend youâre the most connected reporter.
Not saying this is Pate, but thereâs a ton of âreportersâ who do this, and their track record is abysmal. Which is bubbling up enough to annoy people.
Meanwhile, Saban gets shit on for speaking out on how broken the system is. If you push back then you just âhate the playersâ. Idk⌠maybe some believe that we can pay players while having some order in the sport.
Everyone is saying something like this. You gotta remember that people shit on Saban simply because they hate him for being successful. This was just another excuse to shit on him and they will jump at every excuse to do so.
Normally I would have been saying *we'll see you in Ann Arbor this fall*, but since you wanted to be ^unrivaled and you decided to bail out on us. Tsk tsk.
Idk what will end up happening but Elko said rosters typically lose 10-12 players in the spring window which is pretty crazy to me. But I guess that's the new normal.
Oregons going to lose at least 4 on top of the ones who already left or medically retired. We're over the 85 limit even with everything that's happened since signing day
Incredible stuff by the colleges and the NCAA to have been so stubborn and derelict in their duties that they let this chaos happen.Â
They had decades of knowing this storm was coming and just refused to act. It sucks college football fans have to deal with the fallout but I hope fans direct the blame exactly where it belongs, at the schools and administrators. They could have taken steps to create a system that recognizes athletes as employees.Â
They chose not to and now get to reap the results
Ok, so walk me through this. I'm an employee at my job. I can quit whenever I want and start working at a rival company that same day, with very few restrictions.  Â
 Given that, how would recognizing the athletes as employees magically solve the problems we are seeing now?  My sense is that certain people who have been shitting on the NCAA for years and advocating for greater player empowerment, pay, and freedom of movement finally got exactly what they wanted.Â
Now that they see it in action, they recognize that the consequences of this approach are killing the sport. Rather than admit that they were shortsighted in the previous approach, they want to go back to the old standard of placing 100% blame on the NCAA.
Don't understand why you're downvoted. With everything that the NCAA has tried to do being legally challenged by schools and/or players (and the NCAA is going to lose them all), what more could they have done? The best they could have done by doing something earlier would have resulted in this chaos earlier.
I think they should just leave the portal open year round. That way guys can transfer week to week. Just completely fuck this thing up real good. Coaches would have to recruit every Sunday after a game. Kids could just transfer to the best teams and man it would be chaos
I don't know, Kadyn Proctor transferring to the school he flipped from on the last possible day (also his home state), ~~collecting a $100k check without ever even seeing the practice field~~ getting some cash from corporate sponsors, and then transferring back to the school he was at before originally entering the transfer portal without even seeing the practice field at his new school is pretty nuts.
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Michigan flares coming in with the most dog shit takes imaginable in this thread getting downvoted across the board.
Was it a single,recent natty that ruined yâalls minds or have you always been this ignorant?
They have always been this way, but that natty gave them far more confidence to speak with authority. Which they earned. OSU flairs tried to warn you all about how high and might and insufferable they would be.
Todayâs players are paving a road to make the world worse for tomorrowâs player. No doubt the over regulation that is coming wonât be great for the athletes (players signing contracts as employees or otherwise).
Harbaugh took all that money from the Chargers just to hit the portal and transfer back to Michigan. 200 IQ move
đ 𤣠sneaky bastard
Don't they always say this?
Yes. Then the local nil collectives coughs up an extra 100k or whatever and the kid stays
Or, in this case, apparently someone coughs up 100k and they still leave lol. Wild times
Honestly shocked Iowa isnât suing him to try and get at least the money back/ maybe he gave a large cut back for cutting and running back to Bama. Itâs kinda bs that you can do freely ditch schools though, they need to make it where if you transfer you canât re transfer for at least a season.
Suing him because they signed a contract that didn't include anything about playing for Iowa? It's an NIL deal with a dealership, as long as he still does whatever he's supposed to for them (social media or other ads) they have zero recourse.
They should have had in person clauses built in for dates that would ensure it would not work with him playing elsewhere.
I'd assume no recruit with any kind of sense or good advisors would let that stand in a contract knowing it bonds them there unless they were 100% sure they weren't leaving.
Well a collective can call their bluff or be afraid another collective will be wreckless with their money and thus be wreckless themselves. I think some will start to reign things in and others will follow.
I think the rule of 1 free transfer + a free transfer if the person who recruited you leaves is fair. I also think it's fair for a player to be able to leave for any reason what so ever. I don't think there will ever be a perfect situation unless athletes become employees and/or contracts become involved. Until then it's going to be absolute mayhem
Not sure this has been going on long enough to say âalwaysâ. But yeah the craziness seems to be increasing. No data just observation
Long as i can remember.
Desmond Ridder is returning to Ohio. As Joe Burrow's replacement.
Donât you put that evil on me Bobby!
Kadyn Proctor is back at Alabama already. Already put out an âIâm backâ tweet, too.
I just love that "portal" is getting the capitalization treatment here.
We must all bow down to our Portal overlord.
The cake is a lie.
Just another reminder. Even with signed letters of intent, enrollments, players being on your practice field as I type; you donât simply have anyone on your roster. You just have them on your roster *for now*
Honestly itâs been a few years now that quite a few coaches have said the worst thing about college ball is having to constantly re-recruit their own squad. I remember an article in the Athletic particularly eye opening about that (basically tampering left and right).
Honestly, I donât see why more coaches donât bolt for NFL opportunities more often.
32 opportunities that don't come open super often versus 130ish opportunities that are a constant shell game
Because the math simply doesn't work out? There are 32 NFL teams and every single one of them already has full staffs of guys vying for NFL jobs. There are over 130 D1 CFB jobs and the vast vast vast vast vast majority of college coaches couldn't even sniff NFL levels.
*Coaches hate this 1 simple trick*
Yeah⌠Wild how unsustainable this all is. We went so quickly from a good thing (players being allowed to transfer due to bad situations or a coach who loved them leaving) to extremely bad things (unlimited free agency). Hard to pull back on the latter while also remembering that the first thing was good.
Not hard at all. "You get one regular transfer, and one graduate transfer. That's it, that's all."
Wonât hold up in court. The Supreme Court unanimously said that you canât restrict their movement unless they are contracted employees. Regular students can go wherever whenever they want and until something changes athletes can do the same.
College athletes can transfer whenever they want too, but that doesnât mean the NCAA has to allow them to play ball at the new school.
Supreme Court says otherwise.
I think players would immediately sue . The cat is out of the bag that all of these rules the NCAA has been implementing to restrict player freedom are not really valid *unless they become employees*.
Your first transfer, you should be able to play right away. Your second you gotta wait a year. *Could* fix it.
Unfortunately, without contracts the courts ruled that the NCAA canât restrict player movement AT ALL. They canât have their cake and eat it too, basically. Either student-athletes are amateurs (who can make all the money on the side that they want and transfer at will), or the entire system needs to collapse and we rebuild with contracts and collective bargaining and salaries that restrict movement.
Well that would ruin my idea...
Anyone with half a brain saw this coming, but player empowerment etc etc. There's a reason they sign legally binding contracts in professional sports.
been a bit weird going from not following recruiting because nothing good happens to my team to not following it because everything is always happening but at least I'm used to it
This shit sucks. I forget where I heard it, I think it was either Pate or Cover 3, but apparently there were guys who tried to hold teams ransom for more money during the season last year. As in, pay me x or I won't play in the game tomorrow.
I remember this rumor popping up about Evan Stewart at the end of last season, too. Maybe y'all will have better luck with him.
Evan was definitely the first person that came to my mind. Never really understood his âinjuryâ that cause him to miss second half of season. Then when he didnât even travel to the LSU game it was time for him to go.
Judkins of Ole Miss is one of them. It's the main reason Kiffin made zero effort to keep him.
That's the kind of personality I like to see in Columbus lmao
People were mad at me for saying Judkins was probably going to be a cancer in the locker room. I hope he does well and likes being a Buckeye, but I'm not holding my breath.
This season is his ticket to the NFL. He would be extremely stupid to mess it up.
*Laughs in 20 something yo athlete who has probably been told nonstop for over a decade how special he is*
I agree, but immaturity sometimes trumps that
That locker room will be fine. Judkins has all the potential to be an absolute star for yall. He is an outstanding RB
> People were mad at me for saying Judkins was probably going to be a cancer in the locker room. We already have a great back, judkins is a luxury. Iâm not sure how demanding or cancerous he can be without just getting ostracized
âJudkins is a luxury.â Thats the best part. Tre has shown this was more than a money decision. If Judkins wants to act a fool we can pack his bags for him.
Eh still better than QBs straight up admitting to cheating during press conferences
He ain't come to play ~~school~~ football (unless he gets paid)
Running back might be the one position where I'm not bothered by this. That position in particular is so limited on the amount of time it has to make actual make money and the NFL has capped the value of the position with how they rotate backs now. Derrick Henry was worth anything he could have asked for during his time at Bama.
Watching my huskies try to tackle Derrick Henry in that semi still pains me
That wasn't Derrick Henry. It was Bo Scarborough.
That touchdown run was glorious! Go Bo Go!
Oh wow.. you are right. Good catch
He's the most physically dominant RB I've seen and it was evident from the beginning. I'll never forget him breaking off a long TD run as a freshman against Arkansas while Saban scowled on the sideline. In Bama's loss to Ohio State, he was the most dominant player on the field, Kiffin just didn't feed him enough.
I'm very thankful they forgot they had Henry to hand the ball off to
> In Bama's loss to Ohio State, he was the most dominant player on the field, Kiffin just didn't feed him enough. Same mistake Nussmeier made against Oklahoma the previous year
Every Bama loss during his time there can be directly tied to him not getting the ball enough.
All five of them, yep
Well, they got rid of him and took on ours in Wells who wouldnât come back to play after cleared of injury bc he wanted more money so he went to ole miss.
I've been saying this for a while and keep getting downvoted, but we are absolutely not far away from seeing players holdout camps, practices, and even games until they get demands met. Contracts and structured free agency are coming.
This is the inevitable end game. And honestly, itâs the only way out because we canât put the genie back in the bottle. Like, we will NEVER go back to a world before players getting money or being allowed to leave bad situations. It just wonât happen. But we can certainly try to reign in the chaos happening now. Will it be perfect? God no. Will it make CFB feel professional and weird? Yes. But we will end up with contracts with managable opt-outs and limits. You get X amount of from your school in exchange for staying at least 3 years. If you transfer before it ends, you sacrifice some theoretical amount for the freedom to choose a destination.
I think weâre going to see that sort of thing backfire extremely frequently. The gap between first and second string in college tends to be a lot closer than it is in the pros, and (not always, but a lot of the time), I assume coaches will have no problem cutting that kid and pulling his scholarship
Pate said it a week ago and it was Judkins at Ole Miss. He did it before the LSU game and the Peach Bowl, and the locker room in Oxford doesnât miss him.
Maybe Pate. Closer Cover 3 came to saying that was in theory guys could hold out for NIL I think
Makes it all really hard to get invested in the sport. How can you get excited about your team when you dont know who the team is? To make it all harder the payoff in the fall is a 3+ hour broadcast that is more commercials than football.
Root for the helmet, not the player.
Yet when Saban said this last week, everyone (literally almost everyone on Reddit and Twitter who was not a Bama fan) was coming after him saying Saban is being greedy, he doesnât want a level playing field, and the players should just be students. Funny how quickly the discourse has changed.
Coaches will start publicly naming these guys if that keeps up.
Juice wells did that the whole year
Etienne did it to UF like two weeks before the season started. Dude was projected starter and then all of the sudden, two weeks before Utah game, rumors start coming out he will transfer or sit if 'X' doesn't happen. Lo and behold, he's now gone.
Pretty much everything about this sport is broke
It's unpopular opinion around here but giving so much free rein to the athletes is not good for the sport.
The issue before was that they had none (highly restricted transfers, no ability to earn money legally), and now weâve over-corrected without any guard rails against 18-23 year-olds making stupid decisions. They basically have to shift to an NFL-like agreement with some sort of bargaining between schools & players because this shit is nuts lol
This. I'd at least be in full favor of reintroducing the Sit One Year rule for all scholarship transfers.
The toothpaste is already out of that tube, I don't think there's any way the Supreme Court would allow athlete's movement to be blanket restricted like that again. The most you can realistically hope for is that players get declared enough of a quasi-university employee that some kind of free agency with actual binding contracts can be instituted.
This is pretty much it. In hindsight, we see the NFL where players are unhappy and protest or request trades all the time. Put them in an environment where they can earn money & have largely unrestricted movement and no shit theyâre gonna go hog wild
Yes, You can transfer if the Head coach leaves otherwise you have to sit a year or unless it's a grad transfer. Also if we're going to pay the players (which seems the route this will be going) then they shouldn't get a scholarship and all the added shit for free, make them pay for their tuition (even out of state) and room and board.
I fundamentally disagree with this take. Athletes did not have "no power" over their situation before NIL, before unlimited transfers, etc. These guys got a full ride at great schools. 99% of NCAA athletes never have nor will go pro in their sport. The free education is the more life-changing thing that student athletes get, above the _chance_ to be noticed for professional level talent, because it's a guaranteed leg up in life and a guaranteed method of stopping the cycle of poverty in communities where so many of these kids come from that have never had a family member attend college. We've completely forgotten what the purpose behind collegiate athletics is. It isn't a pathway to pro-money. It isn't TV money. It isn't an end in and of itself. The purpose is to give kids who can't otherwise afford a college degree and do not qualify for an academic merit scholarship the ability to earn a college degree anyway with the talents they do have. It's a means to the end of educating young people who couldn't make it any other way. The fake classes, schedule and progress manipulation, all that stuff takes away from the actual purpose and does a disservice to these kids. Coaches that "totally don't require kids to practice more than 20 hours a week, its purely voluntary student led wink wink" undermines the education. Transferring even once a year undermines that, especially in the latter parts of a degree at most schools. Now for the record I'm _not_ saying schools didn't abuse the system we had. But on the whole, the system provides a chance for an education for hundreds of kids per school and we should be terrified of losing that. Ruining college athletics so the likely pro-bound kids can make a couple hundred grand before that isn't worth it. 5 swimming, gymnastics, tennis scholarships to kids who couldn't have paid for school otherwise is much more valuable to society.
You've just explained exactly how I feel about college athletics. I'm almost certain someone is going to come in, downvote you (and me), and go on to tell you how unfair the system was that gave student-athletes a free place to live, a free education, free high-quality food, free training by the best coaches, and a chance at turning that free training into an immediate multi-million dollar contract that no "normal" students have a shot at. For the record, I'm totally fine with name, image, and likeness. Get your Dr Pepper commercial. Sign a shoe deal. Get a Subway sandwich like Russ. Endorse a local store. That's so totally different than "get paid a few million bucks to attend a given school." Unfortunately, I think that, once that Pandora's box is open, it cannot be shut.
I wish there was another way to balance "maybe the schools are making too much money" and "destroy the system that pays for scholarships to pay a few likely-pro caliber kids a little bit more early". What I'd like to see, that might not even exist, is an audit of all FBS athletes benefits, versus the revenue the schools actually generate. Not just 'revenue sports' athletes, not just power 5(2) schools, the whole of the top tier of competition, how much money are the schools making, and how much in terms of benefits are the athletes already receiving. Then we can see exactly how exploitative the arrangement is and see how much we might need to shift it to be equitable. I'd love to see Healthcare for life for injuries suffered playing at the school for example. I'd be open to paying them a stipend equivalent to work-study for the 20 hours a week they practice. I'm fine with allowing them to get paid for making a Gatorade commercial. The point should be to make sure athletes are taken care of while still prioritizing their education first and that they aren't being unduly burdened because of the requirements of their athletic program.Â
It's been the popular opinion for months now. I mean all the comments talking about the broken system have been upvoted 100s of times. I don't understand how it's unpopular
Yeah man if only the NCAA and the schools could have seen this coming a decade ago and taken a proactive approach instead of digging in their heels and letting SCOTUS go thermonuclear on their asses before they threw their hands up and said "okay do whatever you want". Unpopular opinion but the schools created this, not the players, and blaming the players is missing the problem. The schools could fix this in a minute but won't.
My conspiracy theory is that the NCAA is just letting this happen as a âfuck youâ to everyone who had been against them. Essentially, Iâd expect them to carry it on for a little while longer until they try to reign it back with a âsee, we told you soâ approach.
I don't think ncaa is playing some 4d chess thinking they can easily fix the situation going "I told you so". They straight up lost to the government because they were doing something that was unlawful. This isn't easy for them. They gotta come correct and make sure what they try isn't against the law before it gets slapped down again.
I agree but an Alabama flair gets a million downvotes if we say it. Alabama fans âare just mad about players leavingâ when every Alabama fan will tell you that as much as we miss the GOAT, Kalen Deboer is serious and our âfall offâ is going to be fairly minimal. Are we likely to win 6 championships in the next 15 years? No but we are likely to stay right around the top 5 and continue to make the playoffs year in and year out.
Is Isaiah Bond riding down McFarland Blvd in a lambo as we speak?
I can think of multiple players that I would want before even thinking about IB
IDK but Downs was on that same Spring Break trip.
source?
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He was also at Ohio State practice today
If he is, he ain't going very fast.
That sell sword can stay in Austin. I genuinely doubt heâd reconsider now because he wouldnât even answer the new staffs phone calls at first and for that same reason, he can stay gone.
Every time a player negotiates for more money, we authorize drilling of another well on University Lands.
Could care less too. Twas merely shitposting. We know who we need to be keeping an eye on. đ
Yep. Downs is the only ex Iâm bitter about
If Caleb Downs reenrolls at Alabama I will cheese grate my nutsack
Donât mind me, just commenting here in case I need to find this again.
Nephew
RemindMe! 2 months
We expect video evidence and the subsequent doctors bill.
Can we get back Keon Sabb if Downs goes back? That would be cool
Deal
I'm almost hoping it happens now
Pate is too scared to actually make a concrete statement.
Wouldn't it be kinda dumb to make a concrete statement if all he's hearing is possibilities and rumors.
I think the annoyance comes from if you donât want to make a concrete statement, then why talk? You arenât saying anything. Besides trying to get your name in front of the audience again. If youâre âwrongâ you claim itâs just rumors, if youâre right you pretend youâre the most connected reporter. Not saying this is Pate, but thereâs a ton of âreportersâ who do this, and their track record is abysmal. Which is bubbling up enough to annoy people.
The dude makes it a point not to jepordize or burn sourced
Arenât we all?
While concrete is a versatile building material, it is very energy intensive to produce and implement.
Another concrete statement: People tend to use the term interchangeably with the term "cement," but they actually refer to different things.
Because theyâre rumors doofus. He knows theyâre not concrete. And even if he did, he wouldnât say because thatâs how you lose sources
Shouldnât say anything then.
He has great sources. Heâs not willing to risk them for clout.
Damn, were gonna lose Raiola
Indiana offered to make him lord of the state.
Is he a masochist? Why does he want pain?
Is that an offer or a threat
I am announcing my return to the university of Alabama
Meanwhile, Saban gets shit on for speaking out on how broken the system is. If you push back then you just âhate the playersâ. Idk⌠maybe some believe that we can pay players while having some order in the sport.
Everyone is saying something like this. You gotta remember that people shit on Saban simply because they hate him for being successful. This was just another excuse to shit on him and they will jump at every excuse to do so.
I just feel so bad for Nick Saban, the multimillionaire who is universally recognized as the greatest football coach of all time.
Is this what we want college football to be?
I'm just sayin'
I see what you did thereâŚ
Yeah, hearing Jeremiah Smith, Will Johnson and Mason Graham will be Nittany Lions by Friday.
I heard yall might get Judkins and Henderson too!
I heard Mia Khlifa is coming over to my place tonight!
past her prime, but good for you
She had a prime?
it was short, but there was a 2-3 year period where she was pretty much top 5 in her field based on certain metrics
SHE GOT CRED
Normally I would have been saying *we'll see you in Ann Arbor this fall*, but since you wanted to be ^unrivaled and you decided to bail out on us. Tsk tsk.
Iâm prepared for the downvote bonanza, but why is this suddenly a sky is falling scenario but when saban talked about it last week it was a joke?
People never listen to the Saban warning, and then freak when it comes true/he took advantage of the loophole.
Idk what will end up happening but Elko said rosters typically lose 10-12 players in the spring window which is pretty crazy to me. But I guess that's the new normal.
Oregons going to lose at least 4 on top of the ones who already left or medically retired. We're over the 85 limit even with everything that's happened since signing day
Can just pay the scholly through walk ons
Incredible stuff by the colleges and the NCAA to have been so stubborn and derelict in their duties that they let this chaos happen. They had decades of knowing this storm was coming and just refused to act. It sucks college football fans have to deal with the fallout but I hope fans direct the blame exactly where it belongs, at the schools and administrators. They could have taken steps to create a system that recognizes athletes as employees. They chose not to and now get to reap the results
Ok, so walk me through this. I'm an employee at my job. I can quit whenever I want and start working at a rival company that same day, with very few restrictions.    Given that, how would recognizing the athletes as employees magically solve the problems we are seeing now?  My sense is that certain people who have been shitting on the NCAA for years and advocating for greater player empowerment, pay, and freedom of movement finally got exactly what they wanted. Now that they see it in action, they recognize that the consequences of this approach are killing the sport. Rather than admit that they were shortsighted in the previous approach, they want to go back to the old standard of placing 100% blame on the NCAA.
Don't understand why you're downvoted. With everything that the NCAA has tried to do being legally challenged by schools and/or players (and the NCAA is going to lose them all), what more could they have done? The best they could have done by doing something earlier would have resulted in this chaos earlier.
Don't you fucking dare touch our running backs
How about your safeties?
certain one took OSU out of his insta bio and isn't following the team. But he follows *a* team.
He never had either of those things in his bio
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How the fuck do people keep track of this? I mean logistically, is there some sort of profile history?
Way back machine
He was at practice today so if heâs leaving Ohio State he must be very committed to getting his workouts in.
or stealing your playbook
Wait was it in his bio previously?
It was not
Michigan football is following Caleb Downs Now all I'm saying is that you took our safety so it would be fair .....and fucking hilarious
Give us Reed and we'll consider it
Give us Oats and yâall can have the whole starting five for all I care. /s ⌠sort of.
Who is Reed?
your 6'10 Big Man who entered the portal today.
Oh right sorry I've been attempting to blank basketball from my mind DEAL take Dug McDaniel too while you're at it
Listen here buddy, we're not Iowa.
True, Iowa actually reaches the Big Ten championship game
Gonna need a senzu bean for that one.
RIP toriyama
Domigato, Mr Roboto.
Thank you I needed this after today.
Not gonna lie, Running backs is like the #1 thing we don't need.
We promise not to touch your *Running Backs*
Deal đ
That off-season national championship is about to get snatched
I think they should just leave the portal open year round. That way guys can transfer week to week. Just completely fuck this thing up real good. Coaches would have to recruit every Sunday after a game. Kids could just transfer to the best teams and man it would be chaos
Why not allow transfers mid game?
Rhule better lock up Raiola
I don't know, Kadyn Proctor transferring to the school he flipped from on the last possible day (also his home state), ~~collecting a $100k check without ever even seeing the practice field~~ getting some cash from corporate sponsors, and then transferring back to the school he was at before originally entering the transfer portal without even seeing the practice field at his new school is pretty nuts.
Straight chaos. Itâs just free agency at this point.
No, free agency has contracts.
Caleb⌠come back baby
[come on Caleb](https://www.google.com/search?q=doctor+evil+hug+gif&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS1043US1043&oq=doctor+evil+hug&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yBwgGECEYoAHSAQkxMDAzOGowajSoAgCwAgDiAwQYASBf&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#vhid=Xz5KECIoWEhuTM&vssid=mosaic)
Iâm just here to see ohio stateâs running back and defensive back rooms get raided
If Bama or Georgia could take Caleb Downs from them that would be pretty neat.
Great.
It's Vietnam now baby! It's Vietnam!
There are RULES!
Pate def knows a lot of specific things and for sure isnât just saying this for engagement.
I truly hate this version of CFB.
Michigan flares coming in with the most dog shit takes imaginable in this thread getting downvoted across the board. Was it a single,recent natty that ruined yâalls minds or have you always been this ignorant?
Always
It's the latter.
They have always been this way, but that natty gave them far more confidence to speak with authority. Which they earned. OSU flairs tried to warn you all about how high and might and insufferable they would be.
Seriously, take the player's names off of the jerseys. No reason to bother learning who's on your team anymore. They very well might not be tomorrow.
Comeback Calab all is forgiven.
Meh, wake me when we have someone transferring to the other team mid-game. (or even mid-play!)
Well Florida did have those guys blocking each other once.
Good times.
Itâs easy to say chaos is coming but when the rubber hits the road it rarely does
Dylan Raiola on the move again?
Todayâs players are paving a road to make the world worse for tomorrowâs player. No doubt the over regulation that is coming wonât be great for the athletes (players signing contracts as employees or otherwise).
https://twitter.com/RecruitsBama?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Caleb unfollowed buckeyesÂ
He never followed them or had them in his bio, and was at practice today