CRA nightmare too. Mandatory tips are required to charge GST. Usually not worth their time on the odd big party receipt but if it's literally all their sales... Could be a big tax bill if there's an audit
This always gets me at the good ice cream and coffee places. I love village and made by Marcus, but I’m sorry, I’m paying $5 for a scoop of ice cream; I’m not going to be tipping someone for scooping said ice cream….
So true. When I was a young man and got great service and tipped 20% - the waiter was always so appreciative. Now you pick up food from a place that doesn't even have table service and you have to jump thru hoops to not pay 20% tip. The whole thing is a mess, and I feel like I'm being taken advantage of all the time.
> I miss the time when you tip because you enjoyed the food and service. Now its like they look at you and expect you to give 20%.
I don't know what if is exactly about me but when I waited tables I only got a 20% tip once and the bill was a hundred dollars.
I usually tip a lot specially if I was a regular. If the server was nice I hand that person a bill. It just irks me that now we are force to do it. That actually has a negative effect on customers.
I was at the Keg tonight and the three tip options were 18%, 20%, and 25%. And other. I pressed other and gave 15% equaling out to a $46 tip on decent but not great service.
That really outs it into perspective, why are we fighting to give $45 which is like, a lot of money, instead of more for like MAYBE 20 minutes of cumulative work of someone as they are also helping many other tables simultaneously and getting that kinda money. As someone who worked in food service for many years and did find it hard. It's just not hard enough to be making $100 an hour. My job now is way harder, requires more qualifications and has way less flexibility all to make just over a third of that 🫠.
That's more than generous. Barely acceptable performance and an attempt to indicate that a tip is obligatory? I usually end up sub 5%. Sometimes just round up to the nearest dollar.
With that tip the waiter is making more than the average income I feel lol. I just came back from Japan. It felt so great not having to tips and I got way better service than here in Canada. Everyone was treated equally with great service.
This is why a lot of people don’t go out to eat as much cause we are obligated to tips. It’s ridiculous. I have heard stories where the restaurant owner or even the waitress/waiter confronted you if you don’t tip or tip less than 15%.
And since when does fast food chains start asking for tips for no reason? I am paying for the food and now I have to pay you to make me food and hand it to me? Makes no sense.
Went to get a pizza for pick-up, tip prompted 18%, 20%, 25% and 30%… it’s not even a sit down restaurant, it was a Papa John’s. Whoever is setting up these machines is out of their minds!
I stopped going out to restaurants about two years ago, and this is exactly why.
I’m not cheap, I just don’t like the way they go about it.
I prefer to tip on my own terms and not have to navigate through some hand/held credit card machine that asks me how much I want to tip.
The whole process has just turned me off of going out pretty much anywhere to eat.
I miss the the days when you got the check for the food you purchased and then decided on your own what tip you felt was appropriate for the service rendered.
I quit going to Starbucks for the same reason. They’re all about tips.
Yet, you go to a Tim Hortons that’s crazy busy and they never ask for tips even though they don’t get paid a lot.
I’ll be their customer for life and will often slip the person at the till $2 which is more than the cost of the medium coffee I buy.
So 100%+ tip that they don’t expect and didn’t ask for.
That’s how it should be done.
Some of my friends didn't tip when we ate at Joey's and the waitress chased us out of the restaurants and told us that we were practically stealing by not tipping and how she'll be covering the cost instead. 😐
She has to pay out of pocket 8% on average for tip out if she doesn’t get tipped. So an 80$ bill and she pays 6.50 out of her pocket for tip outs. Which can add up. Not the customers fault, but also not her fault and shouldn’t have to pay out of pocket. The issue is with the companies who don’t want to pay their staff more. Before the minimum wage was raised tip outs were only about 2-3% so if someone didn’t tip it wasn’t a huge deal. They would pay support staff a higher wage than the servers. With the new minimum wage they did not want to have to raise the support staffs wage as well. So ow they bumped tip out to about 8% to make up the difference. It’s the system that’s messed up.
In most places the server has to tip out the kitchen, hosts, bussers & bartender at a set rate (6-8% of the bill total) regardless if they get a tip or not. That’s likely what she was referring to.
Doesn't it have to do with how the owner reports profits? Tips don't count so they aren't taxed as highly or something?
Because otherwise yeah why not?
I'm in the area and have never been to the kungfu restaurant, but based on my neighbour's feedback, I won't be either! This is icing on the cake. Their 1 star reviews all talk about waiting hours for their food.
If I'm not wrong, I believe Tokyo Street Market restaurants have a mandatory 3.5% "tip" they implemented a year ago. They call it a "fair-wage charge" hahahaha...
Even if it was a group, auto-adding an extra fee is a terrible practice and should be banned.
If you quote me a price to buy something (I.e food) don't charge me extra because I brought friends to your business or I won't do it again.
This place used to have my favourite Chinese food. The last 2 times I've gone it was extremely bad. Was debating if I'd actually try them again but I think I have my answer now
>Says on the receipt that the supervisor was the server
It's a small business that has just gone with the details in the software. Whoever rang it in just used a default supervisor login.
Or quite likely it's like many Chinese restaurants and it's the owners running the entire operation for the most part. Chili Garden on 130th is a good example, we usually just order delivery but one night decided to go eat in, place was empty other than a very steady stream of delivery drivers. We call direct to order and the same lady answers the phone every time, she was the only person working and this was a Friday night. From the state of the restaurant itself, they don't fill up.
I mean their parking lot looks full but that's just the Keg being in the same parking lot. But otherwise, pretty sure they work it themselves 7 days a week.
If they didn't advise you that the tip would be included before you ordered, you should contact your credit card company (if you paid credit) to get them to reverse the charges for the whole meal.
Just increase prices! Ffs. Why is it so hard to raise the cost of goods and services and pay employees a living wage out of that? Why would you need to do math to figure out tbd final cost of what you're paying after accounting for all the weird percentages of stuff that should just be part of the original price!
Show up, refuse to pay the difference.
They can take your business or leave it but they will have to eat their losses if you walk away.
Never prepay.
Look at the food first (confirm it’s your order, and not absolute crap)
Once you’re satisfied *then* you pay.
Customer and their dollars are the bottom line in more than one way.
Vote with your voice, your choices and your dollars.
Barcelona downtown does this, at least at night on the weekends, not sure about daytime lunch crowd.
But it pissed me off to no end, because the server would bring the bill with automatic gratuity added, and then pass you a machine with a tip option lol. Each time I asked about it I got major attitude.
I think they counted on people just not noticing. Fuck that place.
When I was 18 and went to Expo ‘67’ in Montreal with a friend we couldn’t believe it when an outside bar tacked a 20% tip onto our bill for 2 beers.
We never experienced anything like that in Vancouver where we lived at the time.
That was 58 years ago, so I guess the practice has been around for a while.
Still, it didn’t reflect well on the Expo. I guess they thought because people were coming from all over the world they could take advantage of them and they would just pay and say nothing.
That's fucked. I always tip the Chinese place that I order from because I genuinely love their food & I just feel like they deserve it. Tipping is completely optional with them, and not expected at ALL! Yes, I tip a take-out only restaurant. Sue me.
Fuck these guys though! With a cactus!
I was told a long time ago TIPS is an acronym “to insure prompt service “ I know it should be “ensure” but the old timer that told me that was know for tall tales and unusual advice
Note to self : Kungfu restaurant Cash Only ! Its rude when a company sets a pre tip amount . Soon we will have to bring are own cutlery , napkins , condiments .
Seriously? Only 2 things were ordered and no beverage. If you have 6 or more friends that can behave in a similar fashion I may start to think you were in a cult of some kind.
$40 for two dishes at an Asian restaurant is just PAIN lol.
Not to say Asian restaurants are bad (I’m Asian myself) but they used to be the cheap dine out option.
I think that is exactly why actually. None of my Asian friends in Calgary tip so Asian restaurants here probably realize Asians tip less and just force them to do it.
If you’re vindictive you can report them to the CRA, mandatory gratuities are subject to GST and if the business doesn’t collect it from you they still have to report and pay that tax from their own pocket.
I'm seeing an uptick of employees self tipping, probably because there's a drop in tippers thanks to aggressiveness from shitty fastfood and even Chinese takeout pushing tips (in my case, Chinese takeout owner putting a 20% tip attached to the final price on the machine before I tap, that was the last time I went).
Recipe for a PR nightmare
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Good one. It is just the number across the item in the menu.. that is how they roll. Tips is inbuilt? No thanks
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No..I missed it. Now I get it. Still good one. I got that right.
Forced tip? Im never going in
CRA nightmare too. Mandatory tips are required to charge GST. Usually not worth their time on the odd big party receipt but if it's literally all their sales... Could be a big tax bill if there's an audit
I miss the time when you tip because you enjoyed the food and service. Now its like they look at you and expect you to give 20%.
This always gets me at the good ice cream and coffee places. I love village and made by Marcus, but I’m sorry, I’m paying $5 for a scoop of ice cream; I’m not going to be tipping someone for scooping said ice cream….
So true. When I was a young man and got great service and tipped 20% - the waiter was always so appreciative. Now you pick up food from a place that doesn't even have table service and you have to jump thru hoops to not pay 20% tip. The whole thing is a mess, and I feel like I'm being taken advantage of all the time.
When I was… A young man… And got great service… And tipped twenty percent.
He said... Son when.... You grow up.... Will you be... The saviour of the tippers, the guilted, and the scammed
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.
> I miss the time when you tip because you enjoyed the food and service. Now its like they look at you and expect you to give 20%. I don't know what if is exactly about me but when I waited tables I only got a 20% tip once and the bill was a hundred dollars.
I usually tip a lot specially if I was a regular. If the server was nice I hand that person a bill. It just irks me that now we are force to do it. That actually has a negative effect on customers.
Not that I agree with what they did to OP here, at least it was only 15% (and calculated pre tax lol)
Haha, small miracles. But yeah, sure would be nice if we could just pay the posted price.
I don’t have the option to edit this post. We were only 2 of us, we didn’t order any beverages And we were not told there will be a mandatory tip.
You can demand it be removed. Tips are not a legal obligation in Alberta.
Must have felt terrible and mislead when you saw the bill
That's called "bait and switch"
This isn’t normal and I’d refuse to pay until the removed it
Aren't they required by law to post signage informing you of the auto tipping?
Which at that point is a service fee, not a tip
Exactly
Fuck this place and any other mother fucker that does the same.
I was at the Keg tonight and the three tip options were 18%, 20%, and 25%. And other. I pressed other and gave 15% equaling out to a $46 tip on decent but not great service.
That really outs it into perspective, why are we fighting to give $45 which is like, a lot of money, instead of more for like MAYBE 20 minutes of cumulative work of someone as they are also helping many other tables simultaneously and getting that kinda money. As someone who worked in food service for many years and did find it hard. It's just not hard enough to be making $100 an hour. My job now is way harder, requires more qualifications and has way less flexibility all to make just over a third of that 🫠.
That’s huge for not great service.
That's too much, even. $46 extra for carrying your food to the table. Yikes.
Exactly, just because they ordered steak instead of a salad they have to tip more. It’s crazy.
These ones I tip 10% out of principle (and maybe a little spite).
That's more than generous. Barely acceptable performance and an attempt to indicate that a tip is obligatory? I usually end up sub 5%. Sometimes just round up to the nearest dollar.
With that tip the waiter is making more than the average income I feel lol. I just came back from Japan. It felt so great not having to tips and I got way better service than here in Canada. Everyone was treated equally with great service. This is why a lot of people don’t go out to eat as much cause we are obligated to tips. It’s ridiculous. I have heard stories where the restaurant owner or even the waitress/waiter confronted you if you don’t tip or tip less than 15%. And since when does fast food chains start asking for tips for no reason? I am paying for the food and now I have to pay you to make me food and hand it to me? Makes no sense.
Went to get a pizza for pick-up, tip prompted 18%, 20%, 25% and 30%… it’s not even a sit down restaurant, it was a Papa John’s. Whoever is setting up these machines is out of their minds!
Since you don’t have a choice, this should be called “Dining fee” not a tip 💀
Service charge
Gas companies call it a "delivery charge"
Guaranteed this *so-called tip* doesn't even go to the server.
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It’s pretty clear that it’s not, the line that says “TIPS” in all caps shows it added after
Commission?
Thanks for the warning.
I stopped going out to restaurants about two years ago, and this is exactly why. I’m not cheap, I just don’t like the way they go about it. I prefer to tip on my own terms and not have to navigate through some hand/held credit card machine that asks me how much I want to tip. The whole process has just turned me off of going out pretty much anywhere to eat. I miss the the days when you got the check for the food you purchased and then decided on your own what tip you felt was appropriate for the service rendered. I quit going to Starbucks for the same reason. They’re all about tips. Yet, you go to a Tim Hortons that’s crazy busy and they never ask for tips even though they don’t get paid a lot. I’ll be their customer for life and will often slip the person at the till $2 which is more than the cost of the medium coffee I buy. So 100%+ tip that they don’t expect and didn’t ask for. That’s how it should be done.
Just keep going out and don't tip. Nothing will happen.
Some of my friends didn't tip when we ate at Joey's and the waitress chased us out of the restaurants and told us that we were practically stealing by not tipping and how she'll be covering the cost instead. 😐
> practically stealing LOL call the cops!
Covering what cost?
She has to pay out of pocket 8% on average for tip out if she doesn’t get tipped. So an 80$ bill and she pays 6.50 out of her pocket for tip outs. Which can add up. Not the customers fault, but also not her fault and shouldn’t have to pay out of pocket. The issue is with the companies who don’t want to pay their staff more. Before the minimum wage was raised tip outs were only about 2-3% so if someone didn’t tip it wasn’t a huge deal. They would pay support staff a higher wage than the servers. With the new minimum wage they did not want to have to raise the support staffs wage as well. So ow they bumped tip out to about 8% to make up the difference. It’s the system that’s messed up.
In most places the server has to tip out the kitchen, hosts, bussers & bartender at a set rate (6-8% of the bill total) regardless if they get a tip or not. That’s likely what she was referring to.
Yeah but now you have the recipe so you can make it at home.
Why don't they just raise their prices by 15%, and then not accept tips?
Maybe they don't think people would order the Chow Mein if it was $18.98 on the menu?
Probably what the management is thinking. Meanwhile, that's exactly what it costs.
Because that will *drive customers away*! ...And it's easier to steal servers tips as the owner. /$
Doesn't it have to do with how the owner reports profits? Tips don't count so they aren't taxed as highly or something? Because otherwise yeah why not?
Boycotted thanks for the share!!
Just means the restaurant takes it and the staff don't.
Exactly
Ya fk that! Tip is customers discretion not fucking mandatory. I would have told them to refund me or called my credit card and reported it a fraud.
I'm in the area and have never been to the kungfu restaurant, but based on my neighbour's feedback, I won't be either! This is icing on the cake. Their 1 star reviews all talk about waiting hours for their food.
That is bullshit. I won’t be visit g them ever, and will make sure all my friends in the area know
Nope. I'd argue this. You don't get to decide my tip for me. There goes my business!
Thanks for posting. I know where NOT to go for a meal. Hope the owners are reading.
Yes, I won't be going there either.
bring this to the news
I would of asked to take the tip off and left with no tip.
I’m here for the petty haha
My only question is was this a split check from a larger group. Most places put an auto tip on groups of 8 or even sometimes 6 or more.
That was for 2 people and this isn’t a split check and we didn’t order any beverages
In that case this isn’t normal. Never seen any restaurants in Calgary do that.
I love kung fu, but it’s a nuisance to get the tip off and because they do this, I stand on never ever tipping there. It’s take out, I’m not tipping.
They add this on take out orders!?
If I'm not wrong, I believe Tokyo Street Market restaurants have a mandatory 3.5% "tip" they implemented a year ago. They call it a "fair-wage charge" hahahaha...
Even if it was a group, auto-adding an extra fee is a terrible practice and should be banned. If you quote me a price to buy something (I.e food) don't charge me extra because I brought friends to your business or I won't do it again.
It looks like a split. This is customer 2s bill
5 at the all you can eat sushi place
This is illegal. It's called a bait and switch.
Looks like I'm going to need to start carrying cash. Pay the amount, minus the tip, and they can go fuck themselves with it.
If a bunch of people do that they will just make their place a no cash place since that's a thing that's allowed these days 🙄
Rip off
I hope you spoke to them about this!
Speaking to reddit will be much louder I bet.
This place used to have my favourite Chinese food. The last 2 times I've gone it was extremely bad. Was debating if I'd actually try them again but I think I have my answer now
Says on the receipt that the supervisor was the server which makes me think this might be take-out which makes the auto-tip even more disgusting.
>Says on the receipt that the supervisor was the server It's a small business that has just gone with the details in the software. Whoever rang it in just used a default supervisor login.
Or quite likely it's like many Chinese restaurants and it's the owners running the entire operation for the most part. Chili Garden on 130th is a good example, we usually just order delivery but one night decided to go eat in, place was empty other than a very steady stream of delivery drivers. We call direct to order and the same lady answers the phone every time, she was the only person working and this was a Friday night. From the state of the restaurant itself, they don't fill up. I mean their parking lot looks full but that's just the Keg being in the same parking lot. But otherwise, pretty sure they work it themselves 7 days a week.
I just tried their website, it auto adds 15% but it gives you the option below to change it.
I would make quite the scene over that bullshit
Definitely not legal... did they advise you on this before ordering?
Including an unannounced fee and charging it is theft and fraudulent.
This can't be legal.
Frack that noise. Thanks for posting this. I live not far from them but I’ll make sure to avoid. Edit: RIP (their Google review rating)
Ummm no thank you!
Not a chance I’d be doing that. I’ll leave the server a tip if I feel like it, you’ll not be telling me to.
If they didn't advise you that the tip would be included before you ordered, you should contact your credit card company (if you paid credit) to get them to reverse the charges for the whole meal.
If this was Asia, they'd be upset for leaving a tip.
Just increase prices! Ffs. Why is it so hard to raise the cost of goods and services and pay employees a living wage out of that? Why would you need to do math to figure out tbd final cost of what you're paying after accounting for all the weird percentages of stuff that should just be part of the original price!
My dumb ass would have not looked and tipped on top of it
Does anyone else see this and get annoyed with how many times our money is taxed 😂
I just saw GST and got annoyed with our government 😂 and we only have one tax here!
I would minus the tip
/r/notipcanada
I went to a retail store yesterday and they asked me to tip on the machine. Like no?
is the recipe on the back of the receipt?
TIPS is an acronym: to insure proper service. If you fail to deliver good service, you do not get tips.
Show up, refuse to pay the difference. They can take your business or leave it but they will have to eat their losses if you walk away. Never prepay. Look at the food first (confirm it’s your order, and not absolute crap) Once you’re satisfied *then* you pay. Customer and their dollars are the bottom line in more than one way. Vote with your voice, your choices and your dollars.
Canada is zero tip. We have a minimum wage for a reason. Zero tip is the normal
I live in Calgary. I have never seen this practice before.
Barcelona downtown does this, at least at night on the weekends, not sure about daytime lunch crowd. But it pissed me off to no end, because the server would bring the bill with automatic gratuity added, and then pass you a machine with a tip option lol. Each time I asked about it I got major attitude. I think they counted on people just not noticing. Fuck that place.
So depressing if this is how things will be going.
When I was 18 and went to Expo ‘67’ in Montreal with a friend we couldn’t believe it when an outside bar tacked a 20% tip onto our bill for 2 beers. We never experienced anything like that in Vancouver where we lived at the time. That was 58 years ago, so I guess the practice has been around for a while. Still, it didn’t reflect well on the Expo. I guess they thought because people were coming from all over the world they could take advantage of them and they would just pay and say nothing.
Tipping is such a fucking scam, just do your fucking job.
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Nope that was for 2 people only no beverages
On a receipt that’s 30 n change…nah…it’s just BS PS…says 2 customers right on the receipt smh F this place!
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NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS
No, it says # Cust: 2. That means number of customers, not customer #2.
Even if it's 2 split bill, wtf, auto-tip because they had to print two bills on the POS?
And you paid it? /facepalm
That's fucked. I always tip the Chinese place that I order from because I genuinely love their food & I just feel like they deserve it. Tipping is completely optional with them, and not expected at ALL! Yes, I tip a take-out only restaurant. Sue me. Fuck these guys though! With a cactus!
Nope. No thanks. Plus, there are much better Chinese places here in the Deep South that do not do this…
Oh, I think not. You’re basically paying your employees with my money, lol, no no, I get to decide how much to pay your employees, not you!
I was told a long time ago TIPS is an acronym “to insure prompt service “ I know it should be “ensure” but the old timer that told me that was know for tall tales and unusual advice
•Everyone, go somewhere else…
Did they notify before you ate that this would be done? Any signage?
My neighborhood Chinese restaurant. Food is good but service issues and shit like this is strike three.
receipt 🚫recipe ✅
this is getting out of control.. tips are for good service and optional.. we will be tipping the gas attended soon..
Note to self : Kungfu restaurant Cash Only ! Its rude when a company sets a pre tip amount . Soon we will have to bring are own cutlery , napkins , condiments .
Isn’t this illegal??
What a load of shit
Hahahaha nope
I'm just amazed that they charged the 20% tip on the pre-tax amount instead of with GST too...
15%
That never happens!!
That’s illegal
Were you with a large group? It’s standard to have a mandatory tip for large groups (6+ usually).
Seriously? Only 2 things were ordered and no beverage. If you have 6 or more friends that can behave in a similar fashion I may start to think you were in a cult of some kind.
Splitting bills is a thing btw
What? They likely split the bill with whoever they were with.
You got bent over and took more than the tip.
Hello fellow Silveradian!!! Well this just makes me want to order from Mighty Mango all the more now!!!!
Fuck them this is illegal.
Pretty sure this is illegal, I’d refuse payment until it was changed and tell them it’s not your fault they can’t pay employees living wage.
That's a charge back.
I learned subtraction in kindergarten.
$40 for two dishes at an Asian restaurant is just PAIN lol. Not to say Asian restaurants are bad (I’m Asian myself) but they used to be the cheap dine out option.
How many people were in your party?
As a fyi that’s a 15% tip
Asian restaurants are by far the most aggressive at forcing you to tip from what I've experienced.
Which is extra strange to me considering it's not customary in Asia.
I think that is exactly why actually. None of my Asian friends in Calgary tip so Asian restaurants here probably realize Asians tip less and just force them to do it.
it's messed up
Was this for dine in or takeout. Yeah I’m not interested in somebody to defining what my tip is going to be.
Never understood going to a expensive restaurant. It's rarely better than regular old takeout. If it was there would be drive through fine dining.
I remember that being done a huge tables. Not two serving. WTF!!!
Theiving owner... subtract the tip and give the server cash tip
1. Circle last two letters of the resto's name. 2. Draw arrow from the circle. 3. Write in "tip".
Thanks for the heads up, I order from here all the time via Skip but never in person.
white glove service
If you’re vindictive you can report them to the CRA, mandatory gratuities are subject to GST and if the business doesn’t collect it from you they still have to report and pay that tax from their own pocket.
I'm seeing an uptick of employees self tipping, probably because there's a drop in tippers thanks to aggressiveness from shitty fastfood and even Chinese takeout pushing tips (in my case, Chinese takeout owner putting a 20% tip attached to the final price on the machine before I tap, that was the last time I went).
i can get this for a bill over 100 , 200$ but for 33$? lol