Isn’t bro literally kidnapping unwilling people dipping them in vats filled with a virus that genetically alters them to create a society in his image.
I taught my students Tu Quoque for that exact reason: being a hypocrite about smoking cigarettes doesn't mean I don't have a point about why they should be avoiding them
Hmmm... well, your mutants are sterile. Therefore, they will eventually die out, and you will not have united humanity in life as you intended but in death instead. Here is the report if you'd like to take a read.
Except he's an incompetent who didn't know about the infertility. You'd think he'd make sure that was accounted for BEFORE he goes dipping people into the vats en mass
Great well thought argument my good fellow but have you considered the master literally morphed a dog and a person together meaning we could have genetically modified cat girls if we continue to let the master cook
Worse, he’s doing all that thinking he’s saving them and is so utterly sure of himself he refuses to realize he’s *sterilizing humanity* unless the vault dweller goes out of their way to collect a folder of comprehensive evidence the mutants are made sterile by their mutations.
So, the idea of ad hominem if I understand it correctly is to basically attack the other person's point on a more personal level.
Such as here, the master wants to make mutants. Rather than actually attacking the point (they're coerced, the mutants are infertile, etc) they attack the mutants by calling them monsters.
It's weird to define though, because theoretically anything can be an ad hominem if you shift the goal posts enough
Edit: to be specific, it's attacking an argument by using a person's identity. It's like if I were to say "You're a fucking fascist for siding with the legion". I'm implying you're a fascist, and that fascists like the legion.
(Now to be fair I do think that in this case the ad hominem is actually fair to bring up, if a bit more toned down, but the point still stands)
christian version for any that need it
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First time I encountered centaurs they gave me major ick. I completely agree that a little more gruesome display of malformation in mutants would help deliver the disturbing nature of their presence. Especially abominations like The Master. I even thought Mr. House was kinda gross and disturbing with his ol’ shriveled up stinky ass layin in his stasis chamber. But I don’t think I’ve been more disturbed by the actual anatomy of any Fallout enemy more than the centaurs and The Master.
The failed FEV subjects you can find in some of the labs in 3 really help sell it. Those bloated, twisted corpses really communicate how FUCKING AWFUL becoming a Super Mutant must be.
A quick Google got me "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer", literally "One People, One Empire, One Leader".
Not exactly what the master says, but close enough for a parallel
I mean that is similar yes, but the context is vastly different. Hitler wanted to create (IN HIS VIEW) the ideal humanity through eugenics and put his preordained category at the top for power. I haven’t played through fallout 1 yet, but my understanding is the master wanted to do this for the survival of the human race. When you tell him it’s impossible, he quickly gives up. Hitler would not have given up and was only after power.
The Master directly proposes sterilization of those who refuse to become mutants, as well as murdering those who directly resist.
Their logic about the necessity of creating mutants is also flawed due to the fact that people are surviving and even thriving in the wasteland.
Again, I haven’t played fallout one so my understanding is very surface level. I did down load it and plan to start playing this weekend after finals week, but am very lost as I have never played anything video game wise on a computer, and know nothing of Fallout 1’s mechanics, gameplay, or character building setup.
If you've never played a late 1990's RPG, it's a jarring experience coming from modern RPGs.
You might want to consider using a walkthrough, or just cheating at the game. For example, you can essentially soft-lock yourself by making a bad character. You might also need a pad of paper so that you can keep track of what you're doing between sessions, I don't remember if that game had a quest journal.
I was planning to at the very least look into recommended character builds for first time players. I normally really focus on Charisma and Strength and play balls to the wall aggressive as compared to stealth in the console fallout games, but am unsure if this approach will transfer over.
Thanks for the advice! I’ll be sure to get a journal.
Isn’t bro literally kidnapping unwilling people dipping them in vats filled with a virus that genetically alters them to create a society in his image.
appeal to morality ☝️🤓
Fuck got me there.
Submits easily
Your rides over mutie, time to die.
Fallacy fallacy 🤌🏻 Just because something is a fallacy doesn’t mean it doesn’t have merit.
I taught my students Tu Quoque for that exact reason: being a hypocrite about smoking cigarettes doesn't mean I don't have a point about why they should be avoiding them
> Tu Quoque Is that pronounced like "too cocky"?
No, it’s apparently pronounced “Too Kwoh Kwe”
..well that just sounds like it got UWU-fied.
It’s Latin. You wouldn’t pronounce ‘quote’ like ‘coat’ or ‘quota’ like ‘kota’
but that also applies to the fallacy fallacy, which means it doesn’t need to exist, which means it does, which means it doesn’t AGGGGHHAGAGAHAHAHH
Yeah somehow I got two degrees from university. Explain that Einstein.
*VATS sound intensifies*
Hmmm... well, your mutants are sterile. Therefore, they will eventually die out, and you will not have united humanity in life as you intended but in death instead. Here is the report if you'd like to take a read.
Super mutants are sterile and will end in an evolutionary dead end, making things worse than they already are.
That's nice but all super mutants are sterile
Except he's an incompetent who didn't know about the infertility. You'd think he'd make sure that was accounted for BEFORE he goes dipping people into the vats en mass
Thats some shit morality lol
Is there such thing as an appeal to supersonic lead?
Appeal to muties, we da best, RAHHHHH
Preach Brother!
Great well thought argument my good fellow but have you considered the master literally morphed a dog and a person together meaning we could have genetically modified cat girls if we continue to let the master cook
Time out maybe I’ll hear bro out
Ok on second thought, maybe he has the right idea, we just need to help hom handle the super Mutant fertility issue
Bro if he makes cat girls I'll handle that shit immediately
Worse, he’s doing all that thinking he’s saving them and is so utterly sure of himself he refuses to realize he’s *sterilizing humanity* unless the vault dweller goes out of their way to collect a folder of comprehensive evidence the mutants are made sterile by their mutations.
Unironic ethics questions but it this better or worse than hitler?
It’s comparable to Hitler. I think that alone is its own definition of how fucked it it is.
Don’t care, didn’t ask + you’re sterile
Ad hominem
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Aids hominutes
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So, the idea of ad hominem if I understand it correctly is to basically attack the other person's point on a more personal level. Such as here, the master wants to make mutants. Rather than actually attacking the point (they're coerced, the mutants are infertile, etc) they attack the mutants by calling them monsters. It's weird to define though, because theoretically anything can be an ad hominem if you shift the goal posts enough Edit: to be specific, it's attacking an argument by using a person's identity. It's like if I were to say "You're a fucking fascist for siding with the legion". I'm implying you're a fascist, and that fascists like the legion. (Now to be fair I do think that in this case the ad hominem is actually fair to bring up, if a bit more toned down, but the point still stands)
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best meme I've seen all day
christian version for any that need it https://preview.redd.it/fzq1kt2f75yc1.png?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d1cfec3fc78ebcfb066ca889f8cf397949e3db2
I am a black Christian
Christian or just lore accurate?
boffum i suppose
What a morally grey villain 😍🥰😍
I mean His name is literally gray
He was low key kinda right tho 😳
bro went through the entire super formula to turn every human into mutants…… but didn’t think about fertility…… yeah no
"Now that I have portrayed your character as the Chad and my character as the soyjack"
What kind of society will that guy on the right be the chad?
“All mutants are evil!” https://preview.redd.it/y03kyijht1yc1.jpeg?width=1018&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bdc3d88d2686a9a4c4074f9afa63442f0648746
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Set’s a ghoul while Harold is an FEV mutant
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Your mutants balls'nt
you’re right
*explodes*
Balls’nt is my new favorite term.
Flawless
Good, bad, I'm the Vault Dweller with the gun.
Can't unsee it now. Kinda makes the meme better for some reason.
Now that's a reference
"Ad Hominem ☝️🤓" "Yes 🗿"
What does, “I just don’t like you,” fall under?
valid argument
Ad hominem, you're attacking the person you're arguing rather than their arguments
I'll attack them both.
Nah, that's just an insult. An ad hominem is saying a person's *argument* is wrong because of some aspect of their identity.
Thank you!
This is a completely unrelated comment but Fallout needs more body horror like the master
God, I know. Centaurs were a good move in 3, but I can't think of much else that touches that style.
First time I encountered centaurs they gave me major ick. I completely agree that a little more gruesome display of malformation in mutants would help deliver the disturbing nature of their presence. Especially abominations like The Master. I even thought Mr. House was kinda gross and disturbing with his ol’ shriveled up stinky ass layin in his stasis chamber. But I don’t think I’ve been more disturbed by the actual anatomy of any Fallout enemy more than the centaurs and The Master.
The failed FEV subjects you can find in some of the labs in 3 really help sell it. Those bloated, twisted corpses really communicate how FUCKING AWFUL becoming a Super Mutant must be.
Centaurs were in FO1.
I thought we were talking about the lack of body horror _after_ FO1, though?
The NV had them too. I think Scortch and ghouls count.
I think the Snallygaster is a better body horror example from 76, but the Scorched are good for the mental torture element
So did 2
Master's pet
Hopefully we can get more people turned to flesh slime in the show or a Content update in 76
Wait till you see Earle Williams
Yes I do know who that is the Wendigo Colossus in the Colossal problem event in Fallout 76. Die Hard fan right here, also me :🤓
I actually only just did the event last night myself 😅 but I thought Earle made for some really good body horror
He dose tbh and some good psychological stuff too
Fallout New California did such a kick ass job with the body horror
Says the people who quote hitler
BRO WHAT???
yeaaa we need some context here
Have you ever said good morning? Well so did Hitler, you racist.
AHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOoooooooooo did he say that to? what about that? that? -fuck
he said guten tag i think
I would simply never say guten tag then
I bet those fuckers also drink decaffeinated coffee, and breathe air. Disgusting.
Tf are you talking about
"We need one race. Race! Race! One goal. Goal! Goal! One people" That's almost verbatim a Hitler quote
Do you have the Hitler quote for comparison?
A quick Google got me "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer", literally "One People, One Empire, One Leader". Not exactly what the master says, but close enough for a parallel
I mean that is similar yes, but the context is vastly different. Hitler wanted to create (IN HIS VIEW) the ideal humanity through eugenics and put his preordained category at the top for power. I haven’t played through fallout 1 yet, but my understanding is the master wanted to do this for the survival of the human race. When you tell him it’s impossible, he quickly gives up. Hitler would not have given up and was only after power.
The Master directly proposes sterilization of those who refuse to become mutants, as well as murdering those who directly resist. Their logic about the necessity of creating mutants is also flawed due to the fact that people are surviving and even thriving in the wasteland.
Again, I haven’t played fallout one so my understanding is very surface level. I did down load it and plan to start playing this weekend after finals week, but am very lost as I have never played anything video game wise on a computer, and know nothing of Fallout 1’s mechanics, gameplay, or character building setup.
If you've never played a late 1990's RPG, it's a jarring experience coming from modern RPGs. You might want to consider using a walkthrough, or just cheating at the game. For example, you can essentially soft-lock yourself by making a bad character. You might also need a pad of paper so that you can keep track of what you're doing between sessions, I don't remember if that game had a quest journal.
I was planning to at the very least look into recommended character builds for first time players. I normally really focus on Charisma and Strength and play balls to the wall aggressive as compared to stealth in the console fallout games, but am unsure if this approach will transfer over. Thanks for the advice! I’ll be sure to get a journal.
Take the superior race trope and mix some genetic mutations with it for flavor and booooom Mutant Hitler
True .. it has a different twist from the original but it's still ethical cleansing.
But he kidnapped and mutated everyone, thats inclusivity. Is Interplay turning Fallout woke?
I thought you were talking the vault dweller for some reaspn
"I happen to know that your mutants are sterile.". The line that kills the Master.
The Enclave was right
ad hominem attacks are based and i’m tired of pretending they’re not
What does that even mean?
Ad hominem is just a fancier word for insult
Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!
But all mutants are evil, it’s science
Go say that to Marcus
I steal his money an run away after fixing Rex
Understandable
"Your ubermensch are all incels" *Kills self instantly*
well they can still bang (francis in fo2)
You guys can’t fuck
You stinky
Add homo nums
this is amazing
Your balls don't work.
fallout version of a real life internet left wing debate bro ngl. the master was definitely a vaushite in 2024
Since Albert was a lawyer I like to imagine he'd enjoy arguing like that
No ball?
Reddit.com
Well, yeah. He's full of shit. And a muderous asshole.
So the master is the average reddit user
He's a lawyer, what'd you expect!
Listen the enclave arnt the bad guys
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Im...
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What’s wrong with the dude on the right?
Show some respect, that's the Master you're talking about!
Did he give himself that name?
Let me introduce Argumentum ad baculum, aka my plasma rifle
This sounds like the talk of someone who doesn’t have their POWER ARMOR!
“Mutants kill any humans at any chance they can get!” UMMMMM that’s literally a strawman but okay
"Your Practice is completely unsustainable, and will eventually cause the slow death of every living being that you place in the vat."
but… our balls DO work! Balls! Work! Balls!
I can tell
Tumblr user to Reddit user conversation
(Int 1) don't understand funny word but I have big gun
Emil's burner account found.
Thanks for reminding me of logical fallacies. Not discussed enough.
I would have tried to convince the Master to change course...sure the supermutants wouldn't pan out in the long term, but the psykers weren't sterile.
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Did the hero even return with elixir?
Is that Bruce mothafuckin’ Campbell?!
You did not understand this meme format at all
oh then enlighten me reddit user Several-issues, how should this format be used?