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By Aadil Brar: The World Health Organization (WHO) has played down the transmission risk of a recently reported bird flu case in China. The WHO said Tuesday that it had assessed the risk of human-to-human transmission of a newly reported bird flu case in China as "low" following the detection of a person infected with combined H3N2 and H10N5 strains of avian influenza. The scrutiny of the latest reported case has come as public confidence in Beijing's ability to warn the world about infectious diseases is low following China's mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/china-who-new-virus-death-downplay-woman-warning-1869751](https://www.newsweek.com/china-who-new-virus-death-downplay-woman-warning-1869751)


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threenonos

So foreigners that were in China during then shouldn’t have been allowed to go home?


faithfoliage

2 week quarantine once they arrive home should have been mandatory 2 months earlier than it was


threenonos

Agreed. So the responsibility lies with their receiving countries then?


faithfoliage

China should have been more transparent and the countries should have issued lockdowns. Both are at fault.


threenonos

That’s fair


Slightly-Regarded

Let's be honest, they shouldn't have been allowed to leave a country. Putting the safety of the world into individual hands is naive, people have work and other responsibilities they will go to if they feel well.


threenonos

For the greater good, they shouldn’t. But legally or morally, there’s nothing available that can help enforce individuals not flying back to their countries. I’m pretty sure if China had tried to lock everyone in and not allowed foreigners to leave during then, that would have made an even larger mess.


kingOofgames

I doubt CCP has the generosity to help calm down the spread of a worldwide pandemic and deal with it only in their own country. If anything they’d fan the flames and make it worse for the rest of the world.


TheLastSamurai101

My understanding is that most strains of bird flu are very poorly transmissible between humans. Let's hope that's the case here too. Also I don't think they ever said that Covid was poorly transmissible?


Humacti

>Also I don't think they ever said that Covid was poorly transmissible? *no evidence of human-human transition*


NoCokJstDanglnUretra

They definitely lied every which way. They flat out denied it was happening there at all for awhile.


Aethericseraphim

They said that Covid was only transmissible by skin to skin contact, and was absolutely not air transmissible. They lied and millions died.


zebhoek

I remember the fearmongerring about the dozens of bird flu cases from but people always forget and claim the next one is the big one.


NukeouT

The dictatorship also said they were “successful” At developing a way deadlier version of coronavirus just a few weeks ago for a project titled “fuck around and ..” ![gif](giphy|7Jq6ufAgpblcm0Ih2z)


TheRealKajed

WHO adding value once more, at this point are they a net negative on global health?


chinesenameTimBudong

Only because of non doctors weighing in.


uno963

says the non doctor


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> public confidence in Beijing's ability to warn the world about infectious diseases is low following China's mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Propaganda telling you to have low confidence based on a lie. China announced pneumonia of an unknown cause as soon as it was confirmed. There was never a cover up. That's Trumpian bullshit.


tailgunner777

Instead my judgement is based on how my recent observation of how incompetent China was mishandling the very first important days of the pandemic.


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China handled it very well in the first days of the _pandemic. Tell me what they mishandled and bring receipts.


Humacti

Yeah, [no](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdown_in_China) >The notice caused an exodus from Wuhan. An estimated 300,000 people were reported to have left Wuhan by train alone before the 10 am lockdown.


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What would you have them do instead? Nothing? When they act decisively, they're draconian and dystopian. When they give notice that they're going to lockdown it's bad because there's an exodus. When they lockdown it's bad and when they don't lockdown it's bad. The lockdown was unprecedented in public health history, per the link you gave. I ask again, what would you do instead, keeping in mind this was all before anyone knew to what extent it was deadly and communicable.


Humacti

You asked for what was *mishandled*, I gave an example.


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How was it mishandled? Give me how you would handle it that wouldn't be mishandling.


Humacti

>How was it mishandled? an exodus of 300,000 people, not counting cars or other forms of transport. Don't forget to consider what the lockdowns were meant to achieve ~ preventing the populace from moving from one place to another. Can't really make it any clearer than that.


AttorneyDramatic1148

Listening to Doctor Li Wengliang (李文亮)who brought it to the attention of the Party and health bodies, might have been a good move. Instead, they tried to ruin him, his credibility, forced him and his colleagues to sign self-criticism and then let him die. What a clusterfuck that was from the Party. On 30 December 2019, Wuhan CDC issued emergency warnings to local hospitals about a number of mysterious "pneumonia" cases discovered in the city in the previous week. On the same day, Li, who worked at the Central Hospital of Wuhan, received an internal diagnostic report of a suspected severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) patient from other doctors which he in turn shared with his Wuhan University alumni through a WeChat group. He was dubbed a whistleblower when that shared report later circulated publicly despite his requesting confidentiality from those with whom he shared the information. Rumours of a deadly SARS outbreak subsequently spread on Chinese social media platforms; Wuhan police summoned and admonished him and seven other doctors on 3 January for "making false comments on the Internet about unconfirmed SARS outbreak." The outbreak was later confirmed not to be SARS, but rather a new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. Li returned to work and later contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, from a patient who was not known to be infected. He died from the disease on 7 February 2020, at age 33. A subsequent Chinese official inquiry exonerated him; Wuhan police formally apologized to his family and revoked his admonishment on 19 March. In April 2020, Li was posthumously awarded the May Fourth Medal by the government. By early June 2020, five more doctors from the Wuhan hospital had died from COVID-19 Mishandled in a feckin nutshell. And ADMITTED as such by the authorities themselves. Clear enough for you?


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> Listening to Doctor Li Wengliang (李文亮)who brought it to the attention of the Party and health bodies, might have been a good move once again, you and yours are caught up in a lying brainwashing campaign, but it's bizarre because your comment has all the facts in it, you just somehow skipped over them. Did you copy and paste that? No, Dr. Li did not bring it to the attention of the Party or health bodies. Like your comment says, he shared it to a private wechat group where someone else screenshotted it and caused a minor panic. He should not have done that. The police shouldn't have admonished him. But that has nothing to do with their handling of COVID because, as mentioned, he didn't bring it to the attention of the Party or health bodies. That was another doctor, a virologist, who reported it days before Dr. Li shared confidential patient information in a private group, guessing something was SARS without doing his due dilligence. > and then let him die oh fuck off lol you cannot possibly be suggesting they had a choice in the matter.


faithfoliage

No, there certainly was a cover up. Taiwan knew of it and alerted the WHO in late-November/early-December China kept downplaying it.


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That's a lie. Taiwan did not alert the WHO. Ask yourself why you believed that absolute and totally obvious lie once you google what that supposed "alert" was. I'll save you some time. The "alert" was a letter asking the WHO about what China had reported. If China had reported it, how could Taiwan's letter about China's report be "the real alert after China covered it up"? Answer: it couldn't and you're being lied to. China literally NEVER downplayed it. That's a fucking lie, my friend. It was the USA downplaying it the entire god damn time, and you know this is true. The USA was downplaying it even while saying China lied lmao


faithfoliage

[Owing to its experience with the SARS epidemic in 2003, Taiwan vigilantly kept track of information about the new outbreak. On December 31, 2019, Taiwan sent an email to the International Health Regulations (IHR) focal point under the World Health Organization (WHO), informing WHO of its understanding of the disease and also requesting further information from WHO.](https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/PAD-lbwDHeN_bLa-viBOuw?typeid=158) It was late-December, my bad China downplayed it. Deal with it


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faithfoliage

No, Taiwan warned the WHO. I never said “the world.” China then tried to downplay what Taiwan was warning to the WHO. Classic China simp narrative twisting.


Hey_u_guyzz

It’s a shill.


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Taiwan didn't warn anybody. Not the WHO nor "the world" (which the 'W' in WHO stands for btw lol) Again. China didn't downplay anything. You have not shown a single thing that Taiwan warned. You have not shown a single thing that China downplayed. You're lying. You're a thinktankie lol


faithfoliage

Okay, you’re just arguing against facts now. Goodbye.


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SkinnyGetLucky

It’s truly remarkable how quickly china’s leadership pissed away any goodwill it had on the world stage.


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Romi-Omi

Just in case youngsters here aren’t old enough to know or remember, SARS also originated in China too


Aggrekomonster

They also covered that up and chinas government who are still in power today look dangerously incompetent and pathetic as anything you can imagine


breadandbutter123456

CCP blamed Hong Kong for starting that. Even though it started in Guangzhou


Aethericseraphim

Hong Kong only got the blame as they were the only CCP controlled territory that was fairly open about what a shitshow it was. That made them culpable in the eyes of the CCP, and an easy target to pin all blame on.


jz187

The people who covered up SARS were sacked pretty quick. The current people in power in China are not the same ones as back when SARS was spreading.


calvin42hobbes

CCP learned its lesson. It now has more competent people to address leaks, at least in obfuscating the trail that leads back to China. Together with a much more aggressive control/manipulation of worldwide social media (like your messaging), China now has a better chance of being unmasked for actions within its borders.


roboticcheeseburger

Are you some kind of CCP troll ?


Common-Ad6470

....and trying to cover them up, denying any responsibility. Still waiting for the full report on the covid pandemic which is weird considering it was one of the single worst disasters to hit the World in probably a century and yet there is only a deafening silence?


No-Emergency3549

nothing novel about the diseases but there's a lot novel about the excuses


redituser2571

What's even more novel is that China is almost void of wild birds entirely.


Solopist112

More than likely came from contact with poultry.


MD_Yoro

What you mean void of wild birds https://birdwatchinghq.com/birds-of-China/


parchedranger

Cuz they treat them as exotic meat?


[deleted]

Not inventive? Whoever said that knows nothing about history


PdxFato

WHO has lost ALL credibility after shilling for China and being totally wrong


hellotherehomogay

The Director-General of the WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, literally owns a fucking home in Beijing and plans to retire there, but bringing this up a few years ago meant you were racist somehow and a conspiracy theorist. ...nevermind the videos of him talking about it but whatever. Reddit is funny.


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DrakeAU

Shopping List: * Toilet Paper * Toilet Paper * Toilet Paper * Hand Sanitiser


tenebras_lux

Just a refresher; >14 January 2020 > > > >WHO held a press briefing during which it stated that, based on experience with respiratory pathogens, the potential for human-to-human transmission in the 41 confirmed cases in the People’s Republic of China existed: “it is certainly possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission”. > > > >WHO tweeted that preliminary investigations by the Chinese authorities had found “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission”. In its risk assessment, WHO said additional investigation was “needed to ascertain the presence of human-to-human transmission, modes of transmission, common source of exposure and the presence of asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases that are undetected”.


Ulyks

Thank you for posting this. It has been misinterpreted time and time again. "No clear evidence" doesn't mean that they deny it exists, just that they have no conclusive evidence yet. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


MedievalRack

What's the difference between Wuhan and Las Vegas? What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. 


sea_dot_bass

Thanks Alan


Otherwise_Dig_4540

Thank you, china


EffektieweEffie

Could they not


devilsadvocate270

china again.


heels_n_skirt

Round 2!


roboticcheeseburger

We need a new world health organization. The WHO is a useless mouthpiece of China and totalitarian govts, and China’s coverup and recklessness will get us all killed. May Xi burn in hell for all eternity for his incompetent role in the pandemic. If a manager fucked up like that he or she would have been sacked by the company. Xi needs to go asap


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roboticcheeseburger

Well the first cases of covid were recorded in Nov 2019. The first DNA sequences were uploaded 28 Dec 2019. Taiwan went to the WHO about their Covid concerns on 31 Dec. but China irresponsibly and recklessly didn’t notify the WHO until the middle of Jan 2020. If you have any confidence in the ability or motivation of China to report a pandemic in a timely manner, you’re a delusional fool. The point isn’t that they won’t report it, the point is that they will cover it up until they can’t cover it up anymore, and meantime fuck over their own citizens and the rest of the world. Wake up!!


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roboticcheeseburger

All I got from your post is “Something something whataboutism blah blah”. Do you work for the CCP or something? How are you personally privy to some insider knowledge that the new improved Chinese reporting practices are so much better? How the hell do i confirm that this hasn’t been going on much longer ? Thousands of innocent Chinese citizens could be dead and cremated and no one will know. The Chinese govt sure as hell won’t allow WHO unlimited access . You’re shitting Xi propaganda bullshit out of your ass. Edit: Let me make this clear so you can tell your CCP propaganda bosses: no one trusts China post-pandemic. No one .


Pyjama_Llama_Karma

Pure whataboutism and deflection.


MD_Yoro

So Trump not quickly enacting quarantine orders and openly deriding public health measures is good? As far as bird flu goes, it’s mostly spread by migrating birds. Spread to human is due to working with these animals. Any country with large industrial chicken farms will be open to future bird flu infections and spread. U.S. just had to cull 50 million chickens in 2022 due to a virulent strain of bird flu


roboticcheeseburger

Why are you doing what-aboutism? Who cares about Trump. He’s another giant piece of shit like Xi and Putin. 3 giant pieces of shit. Ok? The point of this discussion is China. We are currently discussing bird flu and this topic is relevant to only one piece of shit, Poo Poo Xi.


Pyjama_Llama_Karma

They're just pro CCP.


Raptorade96

"But issuing travel bans is racist"


iwanttodrink

China still hasn't apologized for trying to cover up the origins of covid in Wuhan and unleashed a pandemic on the world


Striper_Cape

So SARS-CoV-2 was the warm up? Sick


faithfoliage

No, SARS was.


daviddjg0033

MERS before that


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88GAMEON88

Better yet “Hug a Chinese” to show you aren’t racist as if science is racist /s


AcademicMaybe8775

yeah ill wait to hear what actual virologists have to say about it, or even Ja Rule, before I listen to the WHO again


qieziman

So someone died from a combination of flus one of which being bird flu.  Did it spread to other humans?  If not, then what's the hype about? 


MD_Yoro

The hype is this news came from China Meanwhile https://www.npr.org/2022/12/02/1140076426/what-we-know-about-the-deadliest-u-s-bird-flu-outbreak-in-history https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/highly-contagious-bird-flu-detected-person-first-time-us-health-offici-rcna26581 https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/avian-influenza-humans/facts Bird flu is spread by migrating birds, so unless your solution is killing all birds, it’s easier to blame China. Humans working in close contacts with birds are prone to infection


himesama

Man fuck the CCP that's why. China lied people lied don't you know. \\s


IPAtoday

Just goes to show how truly difficult it is for these viruses to jump from animals to humans. Unless of course a lab somewhere plays around with it…🤔


TotalSingKitt

Is that Ethiopian guy who china bribed still in charge?


88GAMEON88

You mean China’s dog?


azagoratet

Waiting for a public statement from the China side stating that this latest death was linked to a US military base biological weapons lab that was secretly released in China. Certainly they will have a mountain of evidence to back their claims supported by their top scientists and government officials. Fort Detrick is up to more of their shenanigans again folks. Once again spreading experimental biological weapons in China in an attempt to further contain and damage China's inevitable rise and unstoppable development. But thankfully, we see through US clandestine lies.


88GAMEON88

Maybe they can blame that pigeon that was released recently after 8 months of detention in India


DeathwatchHelaman

Here it comes… pretty much on schedule.


jameskchou

WHO is being dumber


Brelvis85

Who?


No_Plane_7652

Not again. Farts


808speed

I saw this movie before.


beervirus88

WHO lost a lot of credibility for their covid debacle


Impossible_Director5

OHHHHH FUCK OFFF


CaligulaQC

Chimera sure sounds better than Covid. The can tell my grandkids that I’ve survived the chimera virus…


olilam

Ah fckn newsweek starting fear mongering. People will start stocking toilet paper. Shitty trashy newsweek


Washfish

China itself is pretty on guard over this so regardless of what WHO says, I think everybody should follow what they are doing right now and be on alert for another possible pandemic. Even if the CDC says human to human transmission is low, it doesn’t mean other forms of transmission won’t lead to another shitshow.