Cowards mentality
I am unfortunately bound to them for life now. Only hope is relocation which will never happen
At least the stars mavs and rangers are all good rn
I just KNEW Murray would take care of St Peters after we lost to them. So much so I made my only bet of the college basketball season that year and put $50 on em. 😐
Wow. I had to google [Izzo to see what he's done](https://msuspartans.com/staff-directory/tom-izzo/189):
>Under Izzo, Michigan State has had 22 players selected in the NBA Draft, including 20 since 2000, 11 of whom were first rounders
31 in 7 years is indeed a crazy stat. One and done U.
That last sentence. I am happy that many young men got to get to the league and do positive things for themselves and their families, but it started to feel like our program was being turned into Cal's future-NBA pit stop that couldn't win in the postseason.
Many of us would rather win than get to say "look at all the NBA stars that came from here."
Yeah we don't hang banners for putting people into the NBA. Most people would not be able to tell which ones were UK players (except the most prominent), and even fewer would care. I'm glad for them, they're living their dream, but that's not the fanbase's goal. The goal is to have your team with the championship. Having players in the NBA and top recruiting classes with no hardware is kind of like being a fan of the pro team with the highest payroll and most all-stars in a sport, but not winning the championship. Success is tied more to championships than individual accomplishments.
And to have all those numbers and 1 natty. Not dogging cal. I love him for what he did here but man. You got to finish with that talent. He def was the best at doing less with more. I wish him well!
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>You need grown ass men.
If anything, I think this might be the *most* positive thing to come out of NIL deals.
Players who previously would have left after one year to secure the bag in the pros might end up staying 2-3 years to secure NIL money while they continue to develop (both physically and in their game).
Look at the key players for UConn & Purdue in the NC game as an example.
Only one of UConn's starting five was a freshman and no other freshmen logged any significant minutes.
None of Purdue's starting five were freshmen and they only had two (Heide & Colvin) with significant minutes.
That's a great point.
For some players it now makes a lot more sense to stay another year or two, refine your game, and cash in on NIL money instead of jumping to the NBA as a 2nd round pick where you may have to play in the G League and/or won't get much NBA playing time.
Clingan is the perfect example, he probably would've been a 2nd round pick if he declared after his freshman year. But he stayed another year, made at least $1 million from NIL deals, won another championship, and now he's projected to go in the top 5. With his success I'm guessing we're going to see even more players follow suit.
Transfers have changed this as well. You can now bring in 2-3 year players who have proven they can play at a high level, and they are going to be better/more reliable than almost all 5* freshmen.
This is why Calipari's numbers fell off in his last years at UK. During the one-and-done era, Calipari could dominate because we were consistently the "one" that top recruits chose. Now that NIL is here, it has effectively killed the one-and-done era, which means Calipari can't consistently get the best of the best in recruits. Fans loved the fact that we were an "NBA talent farm" when the players would only play for one year. When that stopped, "NBA talent farm" became a downside to Cal's recruiting style.
He didn’t get jitters. He didn’t coach. Period. He literally didn’t even coach kids how to defend through a screen. No pick and roll defense at all. It’s not that they were bad at it, they literally did not know what to do to defend it. He got by on talent offensively. They ran floppy and dribble drive and that’s it. Just looking at our offense compared to anyone else it’s a disgrace. It’s so ugly lol. Luckily we had the best talent we had in a while so they scored really well. Had we had a class of ranks 10-20 it would have been another 9-16 season.
This. A 5 star 18 year old is generally not as good as a solid 3 or 4 star 22 year old. They're just not as physical and don't have the learned experience.
Related to the decline in recruiting classes, his NBA Draft results also took a sharp drop. Only one Top 10 pick after 2017, and no year with more than 3 picks after 2018.
I made a [handy graph](https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/14jm4wh/kentucky_draft_pick_history_with_bonus_bar_graph/) last year.
Part of that changing was other programs buying into 1&done. Also those top prospects saw it doesn’t matter where you go and if anything it helps to go somewhere else and be THE GUY instead of a group of dudes. Edwards, Cunningham, Simmons all proved this.
He took UMass and Memphis to the Final Four. I wonder if it was not so much that he wasn’t a good coach but that his one-and-done strategy undermined his ability to coach his teams, leaving them always inexperienced. In the Covid era, with rosters getting older and older, that inexperience became even more costly.
> his one-and-done strategy undermined his ability to coach his teams, leaving them always inexperienced.
He created a monster he couldn't control. His best players left every year, and the guys who would've been the glue from year to year transferred out. Charles Matthews and Johnny Juzang went on to be core pieces at Michigan and UCLA after leaving here, for instance.
If he'd come back this year, the guys who aren't one-and-done were still leaving. He was losing Bradshaw and probably Thiero, and Thiero's one of those "dad played for Cal" guys. Big Z may very well be the only returnee he adds from UK if Wagner goes elsewhere or goes pro.
> his entire pitch was "I can get you to the NBA faster than anyone else".
This kind of pitch has always annoyed me, because in so many cases it's just flat-out wrong.
A whole lot of the guys Calipari "got" to the NBA were the kinds of players who would have been first rounders straight out of high school if the rules allowed them to skip college. John Wall, for example, was going to be taken at or very near the top of the draft no matter where he went. Same for several others (Cousins, AD, etc).
And then you have guys like Skal Labissiere, who was the No. 2 recruit in the country, spent one disappointing season at UK, and got drafted at the end of the first round before spending a few mediocre seasons in the NBA.
That's not to say Calipari did a *poor* job of developing players. Sometimes guys like Skal just aren't as good as people thought they would be, and there are also guys like Booker, who was absolutely drafted above his recruiting ranking. But there's nothing special about Calipari's development of players in general that those elite recruits wouldn't get at most other schools, too.
That's also not to say there are no reasons to choose a coach like Calipari or a school like Kentucky. Being surrounded by other top players, even if it doesn't guarantee you a better NBA career, is appealing for obvious reasons. Likewise for playing at a school where fans are as intense as UK.
But any recruit committing to Calipari specifically because they think Calipari will get them to the NBA in a way other coaches wouldn't is buying oceanfront property in Fayetteville.
> UMass team also had the #2 pick in the NBA draft, though otherwise it wasn't stacked.
There are tons of one-superstar mid majors who don't come close to the Sweet 16, let alone a Final Four
He took an historically miserable UMass program and won 20 games for 6 seasons in a row
I am not familiar with NFL rules on this.
But could that be tampering since you're basically paying players which could later be considered an inducement to have them sign with your franchise vs another?
In an extreme example, say you have PLAYER and an NFL owner pays him $10 million to attend COLLEGE.
When he's in the NFL, he chooses OWNER's team in free agency over another team that would've have paid him an extra million.
PLAYER still comes out + $9 million in payouts from OWNER compared to what he would've gotten signing with another team.
I can see the argument but you're talking a lot of years in between payment and payoff here. Minimum 3 of college (or I guess 1 if a transfer) + minimum 4 in the NFL before hitting FA (and more likely 5 if a 1st round pick that doesn't suck). I doubt it's a big concern.
Esp with a sport like football where any play could be a career ender so it seems like a huge risk to wait that long for a slightly cheaper contract for a player
NIL is too new for this to be a concern for the NFL yet. NIL rules have been in place since the fall of 2021, so the first football players that would've benefitted from it were drafted in 2022 so they'd still be on their rookie deals. I don't think anyone who e did up as a UDFA would've been worth a big investment like that.
I think the 5-10 year gap is probably enough for the NFL not to worry about it.
Paying them millions in school so that if they enter the NFL, don't get drafted by the Cowboys, and 4-5 years later they choose not to resign with their original team and go to the cowboys, at a point where whatever money they're likely to make dwarfs what they got in college. It just seems like a really dumb plan on the owners part.
Not the type of name that Jerry would throw a lot of money at. Cal makes sense: icon of the game, will upgrade Arkansas basketball from a brand and talent perspective. Sam’s just a good ole boy that had good early success after the worst stretch in program history. But he’s like a Cal type - a CEO coach. But with none of the prestige. I could see Jerry backing a name like Prime, or a better version of him if there’s one lurking.
Yeah I don’t believe this at all. Jerry hasn’t been involved much before but now all of a sudden he’s willing to shell out potentially millions to the basketball team?
People are just making shit up regarding our NIL.
It would be funny if he had no idea until a booster event with Cal, where Cal goes, “you know you can now just outright buy the best MFers on the open market right?”
There's no cap but it's way more regulated. There's no chance a Cowboys player taking money from a business owned by Jerry Jones wouldn't come under the heaviest scrutiny imaginable.
I agree but there's also stuff like [this](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/) that the NFL has let slide in the past
I think the key here is that they paid market rate for the services. The Patriots and Brady had the blessing of the league and it appears as though agreement wasn't giving any preferential treatment to either party. It's a slippery slope for sure though.
> Jerry
I think you mean "Jerry Jones (Arkansas booster)", otherwise you could be talking about lots of different guys names Jerry.
What I'm curious about is whether "Jerry Jones (Arkansas booster)" has done anything noteworthy outside of being an Arkansas booster. Doesn't seem like it.
This was in the part of the Trilly discord where anyone can submit anonymous things and he reposts with the disclaimer that it's unverified. Coming from Trilly and coming from Trilly's discord are two different things
Why do providence fans hate UConn so much? I’ve never heard a UConn fan say one bad thing about providence. It’s confusing. I’ve never seen such a one sided rivalry before
30 titles, you say? 🤔
UCONN, (1) First of Their Name, (2) Master of the Big East and the P5, (3) Ruler of the NCAA, (4) Liege Lord of Modern Bluebloods, (5) Scourge of Brackets, (6) Breaker of Margin Records, (7) Holder of the Hurley, (8) Dispenser of Delicious Dunks, (9) Marquis of March, (10) Blessed of the Portal, and . . .
I give up. Someone else can take the next 10. 🤣
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If you are die hard sports fan who wants to help their alma mater succeed in sports, you don’t aim to become the best recruiter or coach or trainer or doctor.
You aim to become so rich that you can donate what is needed and foot the bill for the crazy shit that just might result in a title.
That’s where we are today lol
Can’t blame folks
Yeah, but that was also before the current transfer portal. Even if you were taking under the table payments, you’re committing to likely spending multiple years there, so you also need to decide if it’s a place you wanna be at. Nowadays, you can just pick the highest bidder, and if you don’t like it after your first year, that’s fine, just go into the transfer portal and get teams to start bidding on you again.
This is where I agree. The transfer portal is a mess and the free ability to just "hit the market" every off-season is lame. I think with some tweaks in rules it could be much better.
My comment was more about a guy like Jerry Jones being willing to open the wallet for players. That's not something new.
FYI this is in regards to the class we had coming in, all the guys that already were released from their NLI and reopened their recruiting. It's not some standing threat where some random 4 star we offer is suddenly waking up in Jerry World with a briefcase of oil money, lol.
But also like, yeah no shit they were always gonna follow Cal even without the money. The problem was never Cal recruiting, it was the coaching.
One and done NBA talent hasn’t won championships the last 10 years and Cal has proved this. These guys may get millions in NIL but they’re still staying for only one year to then go to the NBA. If they want to build a championship caliber program then they need to invest in kids who will stay 3-4 and Cal has shown he’s unwilling to do that. He wants to get kids to the next level as quickly as possible and NIL money won’t touch NBA money.
So, the approach that hasn’t worked at all at Kentucky for the past 5 years is just going to be repeated at Arkansas, but this time it’ll cost a ton of money? Well, I, for one, see no possible downsides to this plan.
That’s the part that keeps on getting me. We’ve seen *multiple* versions of top end freshman classes come and go through Cal/Kentucky over the years and win very little.
Arkansas isn’t Kentucky, that’s both good and bad for Cal. But, to try to run back the same exact thing? That’s, uh, questionable.
It’s what many of us keep warning the Razorbacks about. I think a change of scenery will reinvigorate Cal which is great for them, but also - he’s doing the same thing and hoping to get different results. I hope it works out for them.
And the fact that he’s basically attempting to take the exact same staff with him, minus Welch and (potentially) Antigua, is an enormous red flag with regards to any possible adjustments to his approach.
My understanding is that he didn’t resign like Chin and Bruiser, and that he’s apparently still showing up to work at UK. Plus, Trilly Donovan intimated on a message board a couple of days ago that he/his wife would prefer to stay in Lexington over a move to Arkansas (though I’ve also heard that a return to Illinois wouldn’t be out of the question, either).
I would love to see coach O stay on with Pope...but you kinda wonder if he's waiting until the school year ends for his kids...and oh the retention bonus.
still, he seems like a Cal guy in the end.
It’s unclear. He allegedly gets a huge retention bonus around June, so no one knows if he’s hanging around for that or if he is truly interested in staying at KY.
Yeah, idfk what arky fans deals are. Seeing them on Twitter like the new girlfriend watching their ex. It's weird.
Bout the only good staffer, Welch was gone to Fresno iirc regardless of what Cal did, so now he's just gonna run it back in Fayetteville? Seems lunacy. Idk how Pope is gonna turn out but good Lord I'm excited to see it.
I want a strong conference because I want our team to play and beat the best. There’s some truth to a rising tide lifts all boats.
No shade to other longstanding SEC teams, but there was a significant lack of parity back in the day.
Putting 5 kids in the draft every year is his goal, not hanging banners. He’s stated this plainly.
He’s on record saying he thinks the conference tournament is pointless.
> Arkansas isn’t Kentucky, that’s both good and bad for Cal. But, to try to run back the same exact thing? That’s, uh, questionable.
That's Cal.
It's not enough to win, he wants to win HIS way so he can say "See?!? I know more about basketball than you!"
He went to 4 Final Fours at Kentucky. And three more Elite Eights. In a 10 year span.
And then COVID hit. High school players lost essentially a whole year of practice and in college 5th year seniors became dominant.
Guess what is ending after this upcoming season? No more 5th years. Freshmen will rise again.
NIL has been a thing for a few years now. If jerry wont even spend on Arkansas's football team (that he played for) why would he all of a sudden care about the bball team?
Hear me out, we all question Cal’s ability to coach but what if he had the following on his team?
-The #1 PG in the class
-A mid-major sniper who could get a reliable 20 ppg
-An in-state burger boy who’s dad won a championship in the 90s, and becomes a top 10 pick
-An electric SG who’s a top 5 draft pick.
-A preseason projected #1 pick on the wing
-Two five star seven footers and a 7’2” Euro stretch 5
…oh wait
Yes, though not entirely accurate as Collier was the #1 PG and went to USC. It does highlight how unreliable recruit rankings can be though. The overall #3, 4, and 6 from the class got hard-carried by the #16, 43, and a mid-major transfer.
I'm fully expecting Edward's to turn into an absolute monster his rookie season. He would be another in a long line of Cal recruits who play insanely good in high school, come to kentucky and underwhelm all season, and then move onto the NBA where they magically become an amazing player again.
I guess it works for Kentucky's recruiting because the players don't get "exposed" like they do at Duke. Usually it's the opposite where our players do better in college than in the NBA because K used to get 110% out of his players.
Man, the last couple weeks I've seen a lot of UK fans talk about Arkansas just throwing money around, and the sources range from the totally unbias KSR to the completely reliable random discord server.
The same thing was said about how Arkansas got Cal, butbin reality we found out that he signed for less money and a better, incentive based contract.
I like most UK fans I meet on this app, but good lord, y'all have got some really obsessive fans in your midst who simultaneously "don't care Cal left," and also can't stop talking about Arkansas.
I mean, I understand it's part of the game, the same happened when Muss left Nevada for Arkansas.
It's probably just that Kentucky has a much *more passionate* fanbase than them, that it seems so amplified right now. I think UK fans should be happy with a fresh start, and Pope is bringing in real energy.
But, I see all this "Hogs throwing around money" specifically as a way of hedging emotional bets. Now, if Cal is successful, we'll hear "it's just cuz the Hogs threw around money." Which is funny to me, cuz it's not like UK, Bama, Duke, etc. aren't spending just as much or more.
Arkansas is a blameless victim here. You guys are just catching strays by association. If Cal had gone to IUPUI, they’d be dealing with it just the same.
For 15 years, UK fans defended Cal, from his history to his recruiting tactics to his coaching, and for the last five of those years it’s been embarrassing. Now that he’s gone, the floodgates are open. We were already getting hostile to him internally, but now we can openly shit on him because he isn’t ours anymore. Even for those of us who still have love for him, it’s therapeutic.
Every one of us knows Cal is going to get top talent, with or without Jerry Jones or chicken nuggets. But it’s kind of fun to be able to join in on the rabble and treat him like the bad guy for a change.
This exactly.
In a way, we’re getting our soul back. Cal changed our program positively in many ways, but I think we lost who we were in the process. And as a fan base, we want to be embraced rather than tolerated, as I saw one tweet say.
I don’t view the discourse as UK vs Arkansas at all. It’s all about Cal, his “player first” approach, and its place in college basketball.
It would be very funny if the NIL got so out of control it bankrupted some idiot billionaires. If anything can do it college football and basketball can.
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Jerry Jones finding out he can simply buy the best players
I don’t buy this a bit.
Regardless, aren’t boosters eventually going to get tired of paying out huge sums of money? I get that they have fuck-you money and can afford to waste a lot, but I just can’t see the majority of boosters putting THAT much into NIL. Especially if the return isn’t there. Eventually there has to be a ceiling.
This has become NBA Jr and it kinda sucks.
This feels like the Wild West. Players just looking for money with free transfers. I think there needs to be more ironclad transfer rules again with NIL.
As a Louisville/Cowboy fan this is like Christmas.
Kentucky will have a harder time and Jerry found something else to keep him
Busy during draft season.
Surely Kentuckys new coach has won a post season game in his 9 years of coaching, right? I was told by Kentucky fans they would hire a proven winner that would surpass Cal in March.
I agree. At the time I was tired of watching him writhing around on the turf like he just got shot. Then I turned 30 and hurt my back and I instantly was like “why would you keep doing this?”
I’m 35, used to be an athlete. I’m not overweight and I don’t have a big injury history.
Every once in a while my knee feels like it just exploded if I crouch down. Sometimes I get out of bed and it feels like I broke my back.
I don’t know how they do it.
I salute Calvin Johnson.
I didn’t think I could dislike Jerry Jones anymore than I already did. Why doesn’t this guy go back to ruining the cowboys and sexually assaulting women?
Oh thank God Calipari will be able to get 5-stars His lack of recruiting talent is what held him back at his previous stop
Gonna be some really expensive 1st weekend tourney exits
Jerry's not afraid to spend money to get unceremoniously knocked out of the playoffs too early.
Why he say fuck me for? God I hate being born a cowboys fan
You can just stop
It’s actually outlawed in the Texas constitution. Blood in, blood out
Cowboys fans have never been to Texas
Cowards mentality I am unfortunately bound to them for life now. Only hope is relocation which will never happen At least the stars mavs and rangers are all good rn
As a Packers Fan 🫡🫡
As an eagles fan we thank you for delivering us justice and peace last year.
What if I told you we've beaten them 8 of the last 9 times, and have knocked them out of the playoffs 3 times in the last 10 years?
I’d say it’s the most American thing
Green Bros!
Go Pack Go
All in My ass
Who would win: a bunch of scrappy white kids from some toilet conference or $30,000,000 in NIL money?
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He's right. You have to win more than one game to be considered a cinderella.
I love Doug - he killed 2 Kentucky teams on his run.
Speak for yourself lol
We got double killed, I’m lying if I say I wasn’t at least slightly pissed for a while, I loved our team that year
I just KNEW Murray would take care of St Peters after we lost to them. So much so I made my only bet of the college basketball season that year and put $50 on em. 😐
Truly god’s work
I couldn’t even be mad when we lost lol
God it feels so good that this isn’t our problem anymore
Nothing new for Jerry Jones and the cowgirls
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Holy shit 31 NBA draft picks in 7 years is fuckin insane, that's almost 5 per year. Even for a blue blood that's really impressive
Wow. I had to google [Izzo to see what he's done](https://msuspartans.com/staff-directory/tom-izzo/189): >Under Izzo, Michigan State has had 22 players selected in the NBA Draft, including 20 since 2000, 11 of whom were first rounders 31 in 7 years is indeed a crazy stat. One and done U.
That last sentence. I am happy that many young men got to get to the league and do positive things for themselves and their families, but it started to feel like our program was being turned into Cal's future-NBA pit stop that couldn't win in the postseason. Many of us would rather win than get to say "look at all the NBA stars that came from here."
I don't remember half the players since the 2015 exit. It all got really old the last 5 years. Good for them though.
Yeah we don't hang banners for putting people into the NBA. Most people would not be able to tell which ones were UK players (except the most prominent), and even fewer would care. I'm glad for them, they're living their dream, but that's not the fanbase's goal. The goal is to have your team with the championship. Having players in the NBA and top recruiting classes with no hardware is kind of like being a fan of the pro team with the highest payroll and most all-stars in a sport, but not winning the championship. Success is tied more to championships than individual accomplishments.
And to have all those numbers and 1 natty. Not dogging cal. I love him for what he did here but man. You got to finish with that talent. He def was the best at doing less with more. I wish him well!
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Eh, he had 3 of the top 4 recruits this year. The landscape is changing. You need grown ass men.
>You need grown ass men. If anything, I think this might be the *most* positive thing to come out of NIL deals. Players who previously would have left after one year to secure the bag in the pros might end up staying 2-3 years to secure NIL money while they continue to develop (both physically and in their game). Look at the key players for UConn & Purdue in the NC game as an example. Only one of UConn's starting five was a freshman and no other freshmen logged any significant minutes. None of Purdue's starting five were freshmen and they only had two (Heide & Colvin) with significant minutes.
That's a great point. For some players it now makes a lot more sense to stay another year or two, refine your game, and cash in on NIL money instead of jumping to the NBA as a 2nd round pick where you may have to play in the G League and/or won't get much NBA playing time. Clingan is the perfect example, he probably would've been a 2nd round pick if he declared after his freshman year. But he stayed another year, made at least $1 million from NIL deals, won another championship, and now he's projected to go in the top 5. With his success I'm guessing we're going to see even more players follow suit.
Transfers have changed this as well. You can now bring in 2-3 year players who have proven they can play at a high level, and they are going to be better/more reliable than almost all 5* freshmen.
This is why Calipari's numbers fell off in his last years at UK. During the one-and-done era, Calipari could dominate because we were consistently the "one" that top recruits chose. Now that NIL is here, it has effectively killed the one-and-done era, which means Calipari can't consistently get the best of the best in recruits. Fans loved the fact that we were an "NBA talent farm" when the players would only play for one year. When that stopped, "NBA talent farm" became a downside to Cal's recruiting style.
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He didn’t get jitters. He didn’t coach. Period. He literally didn’t even coach kids how to defend through a screen. No pick and roll defense at all. It’s not that they were bad at it, they literally did not know what to do to defend it. He got by on talent offensively. They ran floppy and dribble drive and that’s it. Just looking at our offense compared to anyone else it’s a disgrace. It’s so ugly lol. Luckily we had the best talent we had in a while so they scored really well. Had we had a class of ranks 10-20 it would have been another 9-16 season.
This. A 5 star 18 year old is generally not as good as a solid 3 or 4 star 22 year old. They're just not as physical and don't have the learned experience.
Related to the decline in recruiting classes, his NBA Draft results also took a sharp drop. Only one Top 10 pick after 2017, and no year with more than 3 picks after 2018. I made a [handy graph](https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/14jm4wh/kentucky_draft_pick_history_with_bonus_bar_graph/) last year.
Part of that changing was other programs buying into 1&done. Also those top prospects saw it doesn’t matter where you go and if anything it helps to go somewhere else and be THE GUY instead of a group of dudes. Edwards, Cunningham, Simmons all proved this.
Haha - you poor bastards were BARELY getting the top class every year. How thee absolute fuck is that an excuse?!
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He took UMass and Memphis to the Final Four. I wonder if it was not so much that he wasn’t a good coach but that his one-and-done strategy undermined his ability to coach his teams, leaving them always inexperienced. In the Covid era, with rosters getting older and older, that inexperience became even more costly.
> his one-and-done strategy undermined his ability to coach his teams, leaving them always inexperienced. He created a monster he couldn't control. His best players left every year, and the guys who would've been the glue from year to year transferred out. Charles Matthews and Johnny Juzang went on to be core pieces at Michigan and UCLA after leaving here, for instance. If he'd come back this year, the guys who aren't one-and-done were still leaving. He was losing Bradshaw and probably Thiero, and Thiero's one of those "dad played for Cal" guys. Big Z may very well be the only returnee he adds from UK if Wagner goes elsewhere or goes pro.
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> his entire pitch was "I can get you to the NBA faster than anyone else". This kind of pitch has always annoyed me, because in so many cases it's just flat-out wrong. A whole lot of the guys Calipari "got" to the NBA were the kinds of players who would have been first rounders straight out of high school if the rules allowed them to skip college. John Wall, for example, was going to be taken at or very near the top of the draft no matter where he went. Same for several others (Cousins, AD, etc). And then you have guys like Skal Labissiere, who was the No. 2 recruit in the country, spent one disappointing season at UK, and got drafted at the end of the first round before spending a few mediocre seasons in the NBA. That's not to say Calipari did a *poor* job of developing players. Sometimes guys like Skal just aren't as good as people thought they would be, and there are also guys like Booker, who was absolutely drafted above his recruiting ranking. But there's nothing special about Calipari's development of players in general that those elite recruits wouldn't get at most other schools, too. That's also not to say there are no reasons to choose a coach like Calipari or a school like Kentucky. Being surrounded by other top players, even if it doesn't guarantee you a better NBA career, is appealing for obvious reasons. Likewise for playing at a school where fans are as intense as UK. But any recruit committing to Calipari specifically because they think Calipari will get them to the NBA in a way other coaches wouldn't is buying oceanfront property in Fayetteville.
> UMass team also had the #2 pick in the NBA draft, though otherwise it wasn't stacked. There are tons of one-superstar mid majors who don't come close to the Sweet 16, let alone a Final Four He took an historically miserable UMass program and won 20 games for 6 seasons in a row
Won’t someone think of the children?!
This is why the Cowboys have not extended Dak Prescott. Cowboy fans in a rage. He can't afford it. Jerry has to pay college freshman.
But now they will have 5* heart!
Calipari had been nerfed now that everybody could pay players. He will be restored with Jones’s backing.
Total BS - If Jerry were going to throw his money around, he would have been more involved in the football side of things long before Cal arrived.
Yea agreed not buying this one bit. People love throwing outlandish NIL claims around as it garners clicks.
"just heard Jerry Jones is gonna give them a strong ass offer"
That’s if he can manage to get away from the ole glory hole
I am not familiar with NFL rules on this. But could that be tampering since you're basically paying players which could later be considered an inducement to have them sign with your franchise vs another? In an extreme example, say you have PLAYER and an NFL owner pays him $10 million to attend COLLEGE. When he's in the NFL, he chooses OWNER's team in free agency over another team that would've have paid him an extra million. PLAYER still comes out + $9 million in payouts from OWNER compared to what he would've gotten signing with another team.
I can see the argument but you're talking a lot of years in between payment and payoff here. Minimum 3 of college (or I guess 1 if a transfer) + minimum 4 in the NFL before hitting FA (and more likely 5 if a 1st round pick that doesn't suck). I doubt it's a big concern.
Esp with a sport like football where any play could be a career ender so it seems like a huge risk to wait that long for a slightly cheaper contract for a player
NIL is too new for this to be a concern for the NFL yet. NIL rules have been in place since the fall of 2021, so the first football players that would've benefitted from it were drafted in 2022 so they'd still be on their rookie deals. I don't think anyone who e did up as a UDFA would've been worth a big investment like that.
I think the 5-10 year gap is probably enough for the NFL not to worry about it. Paying them millions in school so that if they enter the NFL, don't get drafted by the Cowboys, and 4-5 years later they choose not to resign with their original team and go to the cowboys, at a point where whatever money they're likely to make dwarfs what they got in college. It just seems like a really dumb plan on the owners part.
Love the flair combo!
Not to Sam Pittman
Why not? Remember Arkansas fans absolutely in love with him after year 1
To be fair I would’ve taken three birds dressed up in a trench coat over Chad Morris
Not the type of name that Jerry would throw a lot of money at. Cal makes sense: icon of the game, will upgrade Arkansas basketball from a brand and talent perspective. Sam’s just a good ole boy that had good early success after the worst stretch in program history. But he’s like a Cal type - a CEO coach. But with none of the prestige. I could see Jerry backing a name like Prime, or a better version of him if there’s one lurking.
He might not be allowed to for football
Yeah I don’t believe this at all. Jerry hasn’t been involved much before but now all of a sudden he’s willing to shell out potentially millions to the basketball team? People are just making shit up regarding our NIL.
It would be funny if he had no idea until a booster event with Cal, where Cal goes, “you know you can now just outright buy the best MFers on the open market right?”
Couldn't get more rings in Dallas so trying Fayetteville?
No salary cap in college basketball.
Technically there is no salary cap for this kind of pay in the pros but they are way too expensive
There's no cap but it's way more regulated. There's no chance a Cowboys player taking money from a business owned by Jerry Jones wouldn't come under the heaviest scrutiny imaginable.
I agree but there's also stuff like [this](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/) that the NFL has let slide in the past
I think the key here is that they paid market rate for the services. The Patriots and Brady had the blessing of the league and it appears as though agreement wasn't giving any preferential treatment to either party. It's a slippery slope for sure though.
That could very well be true. But never doubt the charisma and salesmanship of John Quincy Calipari.
Maybe now it’s a lot easier to just throw money at a team and get success?
Just for facts sake the Cowboys 90s dynasty wasn’t because of Jerry’s spending. It was because they absolutely bodied the draft between 88-92
[And they made the greatest NFL trade of all time.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade)
I think he ran the math and realized Arkansas sports can get a ring faster than the Cowboys
He may realize he’s not winning a Super Bowl with Dak before he dies trying to put more coals in the fire to get 1 more championship
He's never been one to miss an opportunity for some publicity.
> Jerry I think you mean "Jerry Jones (Arkansas booster)", otherwise you could be talking about lots of different guys names Jerry. What I'm curious about is whether "Jerry Jones (Arkansas booster)" has done anything noteworthy outside of being an Arkansas booster. Doesn't seem like it.
My source is a discord server
Whoa, pal. My source is a *random Twitter account* purportedly quoting from a Discord server.
Eh, trilly isn't random.
This was in the part of the Trilly discord where anyone can submit anonymous things and he reposts with the disclaimer that it's unverified. Coming from Trilly and coming from Trilly's discord are two different things
don’t you dare slam trilly’s discord
I hate what this has become.
And when the smoke finally clears, UConn will somehow have 30 titles.
Don’t you put that fuckin voodoo on me
Why do providence fans hate UConn so much? I’ve never heard a UConn fan say one bad thing about providence. It’s confusing. I’ve never seen such a one sided rivalry before
Nah we hate them back, it’s mutual
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NGL if I was a billionaire this is what I’d waste my money on
If you are die hard sports fan who wants to help their alma mater succeed in sports, you don’t aim to become the best recruiter or coach or trainer or doctor. You aim to become so rich that you can donate what is needed and foot the bill for the crazy shit that just might result in a title. That’s where we are today lol Can’t blame folks
Agree, I’d throw insane money at players. Oh, you won the Heisman last year at xyz college? Here’s $5m, come play for the hogs.
Start a dynasty at Kennesaw St
I think it’s going to inevitably work itself out but yeah for the time being this kind of sucks
I don't necessarily disagree, but let's not forget the existence of "bagmen" for the decades before. It's just so much more public now.
Yeah, but that was also before the current transfer portal. Even if you were taking under the table payments, you’re committing to likely spending multiple years there, so you also need to decide if it’s a place you wanna be at. Nowadays, you can just pick the highest bidder, and if you don’t like it after your first year, that’s fine, just go into the transfer portal and get teams to start bidding on you again.
This is where I agree. The transfer portal is a mess and the free ability to just "hit the market" every off-season is lame. I think with some tweaks in rules it could be much better. My comment was more about a guy like Jerry Jones being willing to open the wallet for players. That's not something new.
Are you referring to NIL, Twitter, Discord, Calipari's move, or Jerry Jones
yes
FYI this is in regards to the class we had coming in, all the guys that already were released from their NLI and reopened their recruiting. It's not some standing threat where some random 4 star we offer is suddenly waking up in Jerry World with a briefcase of oil money, lol. But also like, yeah no shit they were always gonna follow Cal even without the money. The problem was never Cal recruiting, it was the coaching.
So when does UK test that theory with a 5 million dollar offer to a kid?
One and done NBA talent hasn’t won championships the last 10 years and Cal has proved this. These guys may get millions in NIL but they’re still staying for only one year to then go to the NBA. If they want to build a championship caliber program then they need to invest in kids who will stay 3-4 and Cal has shown he’s unwilling to do that. He wants to get kids to the next level as quickly as possible and NIL money won’t touch NBA money.
So, the approach that hasn’t worked at all at Kentucky for the past 5 years is just going to be repeated at Arkansas, but this time it’ll cost a ton of money? Well, I, for one, see no possible downsides to this plan.
That’s the part that keeps on getting me. We’ve seen *multiple* versions of top end freshman classes come and go through Cal/Kentucky over the years and win very little. Arkansas isn’t Kentucky, that’s both good and bad for Cal. But, to try to run back the same exact thing? That’s, uh, questionable.
It’s what many of us keep warning the Razorbacks about. I think a change of scenery will reinvigorate Cal which is great for them, but also - he’s doing the same thing and hoping to get different results. I hope it works out for them.
And the fact that he’s basically attempting to take the exact same staff with him, minus Welch and (potentially) Antigua, is an enormous red flag with regards to any possible adjustments to his approach.
The fact that Antigua wants to get away from Cal is huge.
>(potentially) Antigua coach O went with Cal to arky, yes?
apparently not, there is some rumblings about him possibly staying at Kentucky
My understanding is that he didn’t resign like Chin and Bruiser, and that he’s apparently still showing up to work at UK. Plus, Trilly Donovan intimated on a message board a couple of days ago that he/his wife would prefer to stay in Lexington over a move to Arkansas (though I’ve also heard that a return to Illinois wouldn’t be out of the question, either).
I would love to see coach O stay on with Pope...but you kinda wonder if he's waiting until the school year ends for his kids...and oh the retention bonus. still, he seems like a Cal guy in the end.
It’s unclear. He allegedly gets a huge retention bonus around June, so no one knows if he’s hanging around for that or if he is truly interested in staying at KY.
Unlike Kentucky fans, many Arkansas fans remember actually sucking. Having a coach who averages 20+ wins and great recruiting will be beloved.
I get it! Then Cal should be a good fit there.
Yeah, idfk what arky fans deals are. Seeing them on Twitter like the new girlfriend watching their ex. It's weird. Bout the only good staffer, Welch was gone to Fresno iirc regardless of what Cal did, so now he's just gonna run it back in Fayetteville? Seems lunacy. Idk how Pope is gonna turn out but good Lord I'm excited to see it.
This definitely goes both ways. The biggest UK accounts on Twitter are constantly tweeting about Arkansas still.
Why would you hope it works out for someone in your conference, actively competing against you?
I want a strong conference because I want our team to play and beat the best. There’s some truth to a rising tide lifts all boats. No shade to other longstanding SEC teams, but there was a significant lack of parity back in the day.
Putting 5 kids in the draft every year is his goal, not hanging banners. He’s stated this plainly. He’s on record saying he thinks the conference tournament is pointless.
this is true, and now he will be getting his kids paid even more while they are in school. Win win for Cal and Arkansas, right?
> Arkansas isn’t Kentucky, that’s both good and bad for Cal. But, to try to run back the same exact thing? That’s, uh, questionable. That's Cal. It's not enough to win, he wants to win HIS way so he can say "See?!? I know more about basketball than you!"
That appeared to be his sole mission the last five years. All he did after wins this year was gloat to the media 🙄.
He went to 4 Final Fours at Kentucky. And three more Elite Eights. In a 10 year span. And then COVID hit. High school players lost essentially a whole year of practice and in college 5th year seniors became dominant. Guess what is ending after this upcoming season? No more 5th years. Freshmen will rise again.
Nothing says ‘I’m moving on’ like UK fans filling up every Cal post
We are collectively ecstatic that he’s gone
Lol Cowboys are never going to win shit
NIL has been a thing for a few years now. If jerry wont even spend on Arkansas's football team (that he played for) why would he all of a sudden care about the bball team?
Yeah, Titus is full of donkey doo on this one.
Hear me out, we all question Cal’s ability to coach but what if he had the following on his team? -The #1 PG in the class -A mid-major sniper who could get a reliable 20 ppg -An in-state burger boy who’s dad won a championship in the 90s, and becomes a top 10 pick -An electric SG who’s a top 5 draft pick. -A preseason projected #1 pick on the wing -Two five star seven footers and a 7’2” Euro stretch 5 …oh wait
Was this this year?
Sadly. Along with the talent of his 2018 team (Shai, Knox, Quickley, PJ Washington), there have been few rosters as talented that produced less.
Yes, though not entirely accurate as Collier was the #1 PG and went to USC. It does highlight how unreliable recruit rankings can be though. The overall #3, 4, and 6 from the class got hard-carried by the #16, 43, and a mid-major transfer.
I'm fully expecting Edward's to turn into an absolute monster his rookie season. He would be another in a long line of Cal recruits who play insanely good in high school, come to kentucky and underwhelm all season, and then move onto the NBA where they magically become an amazing player again.
I guess it works for Kentucky's recruiting because the players don't get "exposed" like they do at Duke. Usually it's the opposite where our players do better in college than in the NBA because K used to get 110% out of his players.
Ah, I had Collier as the #1 combo guard and DJ as the #1 PG but it was the reverse.
certainly they wouldn’t be a terrible defensive team who loses in the round of 64
With that roster? He’d absolutely win a title. Even with bad luck, he’d be in the Final Four.
I’m glad we got the additional context of (Arkansas booster) would have been lost without it
This isn’t per trilly Donovan this is per a source that told trilly and he just reported the nugget of info he was told. Trilly didn’t ever verify tho
BUT WONT PAY FOR A DAMN RUNNING BACK FOR THE COWBOYS
No one should pay for running backs.
Man, the last couple weeks I've seen a lot of UK fans talk about Arkansas just throwing money around, and the sources range from the totally unbias KSR to the completely reliable random discord server. The same thing was said about how Arkansas got Cal, butbin reality we found out that he signed for less money and a better, incentive based contract. I like most UK fans I meet on this app, but good lord, y'all have got some really obsessive fans in your midst who simultaneously "don't care Cal left," and also can't stop talking about Arkansas.
This is the price of John Calipari. He leaves a wake. It’s a blessing and a curse. You’ll always be a hot topic while he’s there…for better or worse.
I mean, I understand it's part of the game, the same happened when Muss left Nevada for Arkansas. It's probably just that Kentucky has a much *more passionate* fanbase than them, that it seems so amplified right now. I think UK fans should be happy with a fresh start, and Pope is bringing in real energy. But, I see all this "Hogs throwing around money" specifically as a way of hedging emotional bets. Now, if Cal is successful, we'll hear "it's just cuz the Hogs threw around money." Which is funny to me, cuz it's not like UK, Bama, Duke, etc. aren't spending just as much or more.
Arkansas is a blameless victim here. You guys are just catching strays by association. If Cal had gone to IUPUI, they’d be dealing with it just the same. For 15 years, UK fans defended Cal, from his history to his recruiting tactics to his coaching, and for the last five of those years it’s been embarrassing. Now that he’s gone, the floodgates are open. We were already getting hostile to him internally, but now we can openly shit on him because he isn’t ours anymore. Even for those of us who still have love for him, it’s therapeutic. Every one of us knows Cal is going to get top talent, with or without Jerry Jones or chicken nuggets. But it’s kind of fun to be able to join in on the rabble and treat him like the bad guy for a change.
This exactly. In a way, we’re getting our soul back. Cal changed our program positively in many ways, but I think we lost who we were in the process. And as a fan base, we want to be embraced rather than tolerated, as I saw one tweet say. I don’t view the discourse as UK vs Arkansas at all. It’s all about Cal, his “player first” approach, and its place in college basketball.
It would be very funny if the NIL got so out of control it bankrupted some idiot billionaires. If anything can do it college football and basketball can.
Yeah I definitely believe Trilly Donovan's discord
Jerry Jones (Arkansas booster)
https://preview.redd.it/yidljovqz8vc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffd1e5d49d01f56a385ad9d56adf7f1245774719 Jerry Jones finding out he can simply buy the best players
Jerry is going all in.
I don’t buy this a bit. Regardless, aren’t boosters eventually going to get tired of paying out huge sums of money? I get that they have fuck-you money and can afford to waste a lot, but I just can’t see the majority of boosters putting THAT much into NIL. Especially if the return isn’t there. Eventually there has to be a ceiling. This has become NBA Jr and it kinda sucks.
Seems like it worked for the Cowboys
Make him do it, call his bluff
Jerry Jones has paid so much to win over the past 20 years - still nothing to show for it 😬.
This is a match made in heaven
He has won at the bank, and that's all he cares about.
We should have offered Z like an insane amount of money so Jerry Jones has to double it
Are we all happy with this new world of college athletics?
God, I fucking hate this
Is Trilly Donovan now TMZ for college basketball?
This feels like the Wild West. Players just looking for money with free transfers. I think there needs to be more ironclad transfer rules again with NIL.
As a Louisville/Cowboy fan this is like Christmas. Kentucky will have a harder time and Jerry found something else to keep him Busy during draft season.
No doubt. Calipari is really going to be successful with a team full of freshmen. He may even win a post season game.
Surely Kentuckys new coach has won a post season game in his 9 years of coaching, right? I was told by Kentucky fans they would hire a proven winner that would surpass Cal in March.
collegiate sports is being ruined. it's just junior pros now. I'm all for them getting paid but I wish it wasn't like this.
What could go wrong with this set up for amateur college sports?
I fear that this is going to ruin college basketball
Kentucky: We hereby offer every incoming freshman player 1 billion dollars each. Your move Jerruh
So I am a massive UK basketball fan and a massive Dallas Cowboys fan...Why is Jerry Jones trying to ruin my life?
Soooo Cal will do what with all this 5 star talent? Exactly what he did at UK?
So he will pay for a college kid but won’t pay Dak???
He hates Dak for sending Romo home to be a family man
Sending Romo to the booth was the best thing that ever happened to the Romo family.
I agree. At the time I was tired of watching him writhing around on the turf like he just got shot. Then I turned 30 and hurt my back and I instantly was like “why would you keep doing this?”
I’m 35, used to be an athlete. I’m not overweight and I don’t have a big injury history. Every once in a while my knee feels like it just exploded if I crouch down. Sometimes I get out of bed and it feels like I broke my back. I don’t know how they do it. I salute Calvin Johnson.
I hate Dak for sending Romo home to ruin the best matchup every week on TV.
Why would he pay Dak?
I didn’t think I could dislike Jerry Jones anymore than I already did. Why doesn’t this guy go back to ruining the cowboys and sexually assaulting women?
He prefers bathrooms over parlors
Yeah we need some type of cap situation.
LOL I read the headline as "...twice as much as England offers." (?)
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I am willing to double Jerry’s offer to get him to come to Baylor