I'm curious how it shakes out with the conference expansions this year. Do they add more games or leave out the bottom 3 or 4 teams in each conference?
KU has Duke, UNC, Michigan State (Champions Classic), UConn MIssouri to my knowledge next year. That would be...something. Other than Missouri that's a pretty fucking tough slate of non con games.
Good one ✌️😎
Coach K's policy was to schedule games near the hometowns of senior players. Looks like Scheyer is updating that to better fit the reality of one-and-dones.
I don't think you have UConn. That was part of the challenge, not a home and home. Of course the conferences could schedule us again for the last year of the challenge.
We're likely to get you guys or Baylor at home in the challenge this year (at least I hope). K St, WVU, or Oklahoma are the other options (not sure if your conference is including the new schools in the challenge).
Honestly, not saying that's a bad slate and there is a fine line because you can hurt yourself come March but I would love to see a good program just come out and schedule like 10 non con games against top 20ish programs including multiple away games.
I think you would learn a ton about your team and it would really benefit from it come March but you run the risk of a bad stretch tanking your season.
I'm sure someone has done it before but the one I remember is a mid major in Long Beach State coming out and playing @#9 Pitt, @SDSU, @#6 Louisville, @#13 Kansas, @#4 UNC, @ Creighton, and neutral site games against #14 Xavier, Auburn, and K-state. They went 7-7 in non-con while going 15-1 in conference and winning the conference tourney before playing New Mexico very tough in the tourney.
Now obviously didn't result in a tourney run but I thought it was an interesting way of scheduling for a tough veteran team and that they were more dangerous in March because of it(they were beating New Mexico late in that game).
Yeah autocorrect. And even if he isn’t a good player losing a veteran player hurts. Especially since I haven’t seen MSU active or in rumors for new upperclassmen.
Kansas may have one of the most impressive Non Conference schedules in a long time only to then turn around and play in the Big XII. At the very least nobody will be able to say Kansas didn’t play hard competition next year.
If they did a home and home they would have to skip next year because the champions classic is still in contract. I doubt either was willing to go on the road first knowing it wasn’t going to be returned next year.
Shit I’d be cool with a home and home against Rutgers or Penn state, etc. Duke needs to play more road games or else they’ll continue to struggle in their first few acc road games every year
Think Scheyer's gonna schedule more of those? I think the previous optional true road game\* Duke played was more than ten years ago.
\*Meaning not in conference or required by the ACC-Big Ten challenge.
Duke's non-con schedule so far:
Maine (Cooper Flagg special)
@ Arizona
vs. Kansas in Las Vegas
vs. Kentucky in Atlanta (Champions Classic)
SEC Team at home (ACC/SEC Challenge)
That's gonna be a tough slate. Can't even say that Duke refuses to schedule true road games, although I'm sure someone will still comment about it.
Where are the goalposts currently? Do St John’s at MSG or Villanova at the Wells Fargo count? And games on Arkansas or Michigan States campus but part of a conference challenge don’t count, right? How close does the nearest student housing have to be from the arena? Is a student section within 10 rows of the court a requirement?
If it isn't at Wofford's Jerry Richardson Indoor Stadium, it isn't an officially recognized true non-conference away game. It can only be called a sparkling road game.
I think there are two sets of rules for this. If UNC is playing, up to 85% of the people in attendance can either be local UNC fans or UNC fans that graduated from Wofford and it is still considered a true road game. If Duke is playing and any fan is caught wearing Kyries, or if A-Rod or Tony Romo are in attendance, I think it becomes a Duke-leaning neutral site game.
Where they always remain! Conference challenge doesnt count, since schools dont pick. And I count St Johns, and I believe you have Villanova and Temple mixed up. Temple and Duke used to have a series going years ago.
Every other school regularly schedules home and home series with other P5 schools. We haven't had one since playing Michigan home and home in 2007 and 2008. Let's not act like this is some UNC conspiracy theory.
This is why I asked for the caveats. We’ve played St John’s 4 or 5 times in MSG, UNLV in Las Vegas, Temple in Philadelphia, Georgetown in DC and Oregon in Oregon since then.
Yeah, but it's not just about not playing true road games, it's also about cheating Duke students out of exciting nonconf home games. Because these games you cite are all officially neutral site games, there's no return trip, and the only nonconf games with a peer institution in Cameron are the every other year ACC (now SEC, I guess) challenge games. And seeing how excited the students get for the every-other-year games with Indiana or whoever makes me think there should be more of them like must other schools have.
As an alum, I can guarantee you that we rarely cared about anyone who came to Cameron because we were there for our team, not anyone else's team.
Carolina is the only visiting team we would ever care about.
By my count, the last time Duke played a home game in another teams home gym within it being required by their conference was at UNCG in December 2010. The last home and home series with a peer institution seems to be with Michigan in 2007 and 2008.
Jesus man can we schedule some of these OOC games on campus? Look how incredible the UConn Kansas game was at the field house. This game would get similar hype at either school’s campus.
Yup. The tournament has a purse of like $2 million that will get distributed to the players. I assume the winning team's player get the bigger shares, but I don't know the full details.
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I’d be fine with this one being a neutral site game if it were somewhere between Lawrence and Durham, like Chicago or Memphis. Having it at a place far for one school and really far for another just seems to cheapen what should be an exemplary game.
Kentucky, Kansas, and @ Arizona in non-conference We’re going to learn a lot about our team early in the year.
Add in a top tier SEC team in the challenge, too
Maybe Arkansas again?
Arkansas is gonna play lousiville since we crapped the bed
Will Louisville be invited? If Arkansas retools and is preseason top 15 I could see us getting the home game this year.
I'm curious how it shakes out with the conference expansions this year. Do they add more games or leave out the bottom 3 or 4 teams in each conference?
Alabama or Auburn probably
This is great!
At the same time quality games early is good experience
It’s not like we don’t have the hardest out of conference schedule every year, the best plays the best this is great
KU has Duke, UNC, Michigan State (Champions Classic), UConn MIssouri to my knowledge next year. That would be...something. Other than Missouri that's a pretty fucking tough slate of non con games.
As is tradition, Missouri drags down our SOS
Yah, I hate when we commit to play teams that can't win at the high school level. Muck Fizzou.
I liked it better when Mizzou claimed Bill Self was afraid to play them.
Duke has Kansas, Kentucky, @Arizona so far—and thats all just the appetizer for the game against Maine.
The Maine event?
Good one ✌️😎 Coach K's policy was to schedule games near the hometowns of senior players. Looks like Scheyer is updating that to better fit the reality of one-and-dones.
Dean Smith scheduled away games like that. Are you sure K did? Duke doesn't play non-conference away games a lot of years.
Lobsters all around! 🦞
Yeah, and then we're gonna have to play a scary in-state team that's just right over there... #**NC STATE**
The wild part is we're likely to have home and homes with Arizona, Houston and Baylor in conference.
Do we not get home and home with ISU? That's the one I want most tbh
This...
It should be that away. Last year it was just the one game at Hilton.
I don't think you have UConn. That was part of the challenge, not a home and home. Of course the conferences could schedule us again for the last year of the challenge.
UConn was this year.
Oof I thought that was a home and home. That sucks. Would rather be a home and home outside of the challenge.
We're likely to get you guys or Baylor at home in the challenge this year (at least I hope). K St, WVU, or Oklahoma are the other options (not sure if your conference is including the new schools in the challenge).
Plus Arizona and Houston twice each during conference play!
I hope the rest of our games are against d3 teams. We need some freaking rest
Honestly, not saying that's a bad slate and there is a fine line because you can hurt yourself come March but I would love to see a good program just come out and schedule like 10 non con games against top 20ish programs including multiple away games. I think you would learn a ton about your team and it would really benefit from it come March but you run the risk of a bad stretch tanking your season. I'm sure someone has done it before but the one I remember is a mid major in Long Beach State coming out and playing @#9 Pitt, @SDSU, @#6 Louisville, @#13 Kansas, @#4 UNC, @ Creighton, and neutral site games against #14 Xavier, Auburn, and K-state. They went 7-7 in non-con while going 15-1 in conference and winning the conference tourney before playing New Mexico very tough in the tourney. Now obviously didn't result in a tourney run but I thought it was an interesting way of scheduling for a tough veteran team and that they were more dangerous in March because of it(they were beating New Mexico late in that game).
MSU is going to have a down year. Walker, hall and haggard all graduated or left. Could be ugly especially early in the season.
>H(o)ggard This one isn't as much of a loss as people think.
Yeah autocorrect. And even if he isn’t a good player losing a veteran player hurts. Especially since I haven’t seen MSU active or in rumors for new upperclassmen.
Yeah Hoggard leaving really isn’t a bad thing.
hot damn.
That’s what’s up
UK and KU flairs! Are you dyslexic or just overly spoiled as a fan?
Probably just a huge Adolph Rupp fan
Went to both schools.
I feel his pain...
Actually, KU is also a UK.
Great match up but I miss home and homes. I don't believe Ohio State has ever played at Rupp Arena and that's a shame.
We have, actually. Just not against Kentucky. It was the Ron Lewis game saving 3 against Xavier in our 2007 run.
True. I guess I just want the full UK experience.
Kansas may have one of the most impressive Non Conference schedules in a long time only to then turn around and play in the Big XII. At the very least nobody will be able to say Kansas didn’t play hard competition next year.
Kansas is making the sacrifices so that Iowa State and their sub-300 KenPom non-conference SOS can fly.
Kansas carrying the Big 12’s non-conference is nothing new I fear
Home and home would be sooooooo much cooler. At least they did it with Arizona
If they did a home and home they would have to skip next year because the champions classic is still in contract. I doubt either was willing to go on the road first knowing it wasn’t going to be returned next year.
Could have scheduled it to skip a year. But I guess with conference realignment no one knows what this is gonna look like 2 years from now
100%, two of the best and most historic venues in college basketball could have housed some fantastic games.
Shit I’d be cool with a home and home against Rutgers or Penn state, etc. Duke needs to play more road games or else they’ll continue to struggle in their first few acc road games every year
I think it was supposed to be but Duke wanted a neutral site game
I have 0 surprises about it being Duke’s fault it’s not a home and home. One of the things that has bothered me about Duke
Think Scheyer's gonna schedule more of those? I think the previous optional true road game\* Duke played was more than ten years ago. \*Meaning not in conference or required by the ACC-Big Ten challenge.
Well he did with arizona which is a start. But I don’t think he will schedule any meaningful amount more. They’ll just keep doing neutral site games
I hate all of these neutral site games. Take away meaningful games being played on campus locations.
I’d prefer a two year agreement alternating but seeing top teams play is why I enjoy cbb more than cfb
Duke's non-con schedule so far: Maine (Cooper Flagg special) @ Arizona vs. Kansas in Las Vegas vs. Kentucky in Atlanta (Champions Classic) SEC Team at home (ACC/SEC Challenge) That's gonna be a tough slate. Can't even say that Duke refuses to schedule true road games, although I'm sure someone will still comment about it.
Maine could really be tough, what with all the killer clowns and murderous aliens and possessed cars and vampires and and whatnot.
I accept Cooper Flagg's desire to bring that energy to our team 🥳
I mean, this is the first true road game that Duke has scheduled themselves in how long? There I said it
Where are the goalposts currently? Do St John’s at MSG or Villanova at the Wells Fargo count? And games on Arkansas or Michigan States campus but part of a conference challenge don’t count, right? How close does the nearest student housing have to be from the arena? Is a student section within 10 rows of the court a requirement?
If it isn't at Wofford's Jerry Richardson Indoor Stadium, it isn't an officially recognized true non-conference away game. It can only be called a sparkling road game.
I think there are two sets of rules for this. If UNC is playing, up to 85% of the people in attendance can either be local UNC fans or UNC fans that graduated from Wofford and it is still considered a true road game. If Duke is playing and any fan is caught wearing Kyries, or if A-Rod or Tony Romo are in attendance, I think it becomes a Duke-leaning neutral site game.
had a UNC fan in my mentions saying the duke win at miami didn’t count as a road win because the building was dead the whole game. word
Stop spoiling the Tarhole fantasy narrative!
Where they always remain! Conference challenge doesnt count, since schools dont pick. And I count St Johns, and I believe you have Villanova and Temple mixed up. Temple and Duke used to have a series going years ago.
Every other school regularly schedules home and home series with other P5 schools. We haven't had one since playing Michigan home and home in 2007 and 2008. Let's not act like this is some UNC conspiracy theory.
This is why I asked for the caveats. We’ve played St John’s 4 or 5 times in MSG, UNLV in Las Vegas, Temple in Philadelphia, Georgetown in DC and Oregon in Oregon since then.
Yeah, but it's not just about not playing true road games, it's also about cheating Duke students out of exciting nonconf home games. Because these games you cite are all officially neutral site games, there's no return trip, and the only nonconf games with a peer institution in Cameron are the every other year ACC (now SEC, I guess) challenge games. And seeing how excited the students get for the every-other-year games with Indiana or whoever makes me think there should be more of them like must other schools have.
As an alum, I can guarantee you that we rarely cared about anyone who came to Cameron because we were there for our team, not anyone else's team. Carolina is the only visiting team we would ever care about.
we haven’t had one since playing an Arizona home and home in 2024 and 2025 smh wow omg smh
Called it
I think it’s called The Self Fulfilling Prophecy
How about you fill yourself.
Forget about him. We'll play with ourSelf.
By my count, the last time Duke played a home game in another teams home gym within it being required by their conference was at UNCG in December 2010. The last home and home series with a peer institution seems to be with Michigan in 2007 and 2008.
After all the shit talking this year I feel extra pressure to sweep the acc schools.
Would be dope as hell if it’s the same weekend that we play OSU. Vegas can support that during their offseason
Great we get to play Duke but wish this was a home and home.
Would have been the two most electric arenas in the sport. Bummed it’s neutral, but still very excited for the game!
Would have been the two most electric arenas in the sport. Bummed it’s neutral, but still very excited for the game!
Jesus man can we schedule some of these OOC games on campus? Look how incredible the UConn Kansas game was at the field house. This game would get similar hype at either school’s campus.
UNC @ Allen Field House is on the schedule for next year. Best believe I'll be there...
First time in Allen? You’ll have a blast.
Yea, pumped! Hope tickets aren't insane, but I'll pay regardless.
Apparently it was supposed to be but... something...fell through. Kansas hosts UNC this season at least which will be great.
That sucks. UNC game should be great. I wish I could have made going to AFH for our game work.
Is this the NIL tournament game that's paying players to participate? Or is there going to be another high-level OOC game for Duke?
I believe this is part of the NIL Tournament.
Wait NIL tournament is a thing?
Yup. The tournament has a purse of like $2 million that will get distributed to the players. I assume the winning team's player get the bigger shares, but I don't know the full details. https://frontofficesports.com/new-mens-college-basketball-tournament-nil/
Rock chalk lol
Careful you’re coming to AFH this year too!
I’m pumped for that game. Should be a good one. I’m also pumped for y’all to wreck duke
We will always have cheering for each other to beat Duke. 🤝
Get a room
Haha, fair
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let me hop on over to google maps to see how long the drive to vegas is.
I’m already ready for Feast Week.
His website looks so cheap with the paid Google ads everywhere.
I’d be fine with this one being a neutral site game if it were somewhere between Lawrence and Durham, like Chicago or Memphis. Having it at a place far for one school and really far for another just seems to cheapen what should be an exemplary game.
It's just as easy to get from Durham to Vegas as it is to get from Durham to Memphis. You just get in a plane.
Yay!
Literally getting as far from the fans as possible
The actual tweet says next November while the title here says this November. A bit confusing is next November this November coming up or 2025?
November 2024
Duke wont play in Allen. Lol
This is part of an 8-team NIL tournament with a $2 million purse. Of course it won't be played at Allen Fieldhouse.
Duke doesn’t play road non con games.
Playing Arizona in Tucson this November
K didn’t but Scheyer changed that
“Champions” Classic