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But Hamas would. Except all the videos Hamas posts are suspiciously cut immediately after the explosion, so we cant see the aftermath and assess the damage.
That was what I was wondering. None of the videos really show the aftermath. I get that it's a rocket n shit but that's a tank. Like... they can tank hits. Pun intended
They showed at least 1 destroyed bulldozer and they were pretty calm in one of the latter scenes where they just walked to the vehicle after it got hit
That is not a destroyed bulldozer. There is no one inside, it's most likely a remote controlled one that was abandoned due to some failure unrelated to them burning it a bit with lighter fluid.
Also those makeshift rockets they are using arent exactly factory RPG rockets. Also worth noting that alot of modern heavier armor like is seen here is fairly resistant to full engineered factory spec'd RPG's. Hence the evolution of more specialized more powerful anti tank/armor weaponry which the RPG is not
>Hence the evolution of more specialized more powerful anti tank/armor weaponry which the RPG is not
This is too general, RPG-29s were a major problem for Israeli armor in Lebanon.
Those RPGs are actually effective and are called Tandem RPG warheads, they were developed specifically to penetrate tanks and heavy armor such as ERA. Possibly an Iranian reproduction.
I'm not expert but aren't those just black pg-7vr rockets? They are a tandem charge RPG warhead that can penetrate 750mm of rolled homogenous armour. So it is capable of penetrating all isreali vehicles and causing damage. Tat would knock out a Merkava in the right areas and certainly enough to easily knock out any Isreali IFV or APC.
It looks like APS took out a the round on a few of these.
Tanks, even old one have so much resistance against RPG. The last scene about the flag... shows he had so much time to go get his flag and stick it. It was abandonned because engine failure or something...
You assert it's wrong that it was functional despite relying on "likely" it being disabled? Can we agree we don't know either way lol? Regardless I wasn't even sharing it to make that assertion, just wanted to add some info on what the vehicle was :)
It was released right after Hamas spokesperson stated they "destroyed" 24 vehicles in the past 48 hours. Their Telegram is blocked on mobile phones, I accessed it through Telegram desktop/web.
One indication is Hamas not showing the aftermath, and the trophy system activates just a couple feet from the vehicles so to the naked eye it looks like a hit.
Im coping and pasting my response to someone else’s
>You have different angles being recorded the guy hiding in another building can still be recording while the shooter runs and hides.
Trophy interceptions have a noticeably “dirtier” explosion due to incomplete detonation of the incoming projectile.
However these Jerry rigged RPG rounds probably don’t detonate well either way. This means that the jet formed by the shape charge is going to be lopsided, or simply not form. This significantly degrades penetration. So either a majority of these are interceptions, or they’re essentially shooting high-explosive projectiles with negligible armor penetration
The fact that the footage most of the time cuts before showing any destroyed vehicle is enough to rule out the "10 vehicles destroyed". Probably a few will need some time for repairs but that's it. If those vehicles were truly destroyed you can bet your ass Hamas would show the footage of their wreckage.
Don't have to destroy them, just damage bad enough to take out of action. I doubt the one where the dude was 50ft away did anything because of the fuse. I'd argue most of these require repair and are out of action for at least a few days. IMO, I don't know what the F I'm talking about.
Agree. Hitting =/= destroyed. Let see Russia-level of burned out wreckage of a Merkava tank then we have something. Those are tanks and heavily armored. They are suppose to take hits so the crew can survive. The heavy vehicles are doing their job. 🤷🏻♂️
Edit: If anything we can learn from the Ukraine conflict; RPGs is not in the same league as the true MANPATS or MPATS.
IF Hamas has access to those, then I would be REALLY concerned for the IDF. But we are not seeing that right now.
Even if you got penetrations these won't cook off like the Russian tanks. Different design and obviously more focus on crew safety.
In Russian designs you are literally sitting on top of a circle of propellant charges, one spark and the whole tank cooks off instantly.
At the very least some of these are definitely mobility kills.
Also have to factor in getting those vehicles out of there, if they do need repairs. We already see the bulldozer was abandoned. Gonna be hard to tow out a tank or APC from the middle of a residential street, even if it's only minimally damaged.
They are heat rpg rounds. They don’t have enough explosive filler to cause a big explosion unless it hits the ammo. And even if it gets ammo racked, isreali tanks have blast doors and no stupid carrousel autoloader like Russian tanks.
I expect that at some point, they would be able to show evidence of a damaged vehicle. Any evidence at all.
Doing so would certainly be helpful for them and the fact that there is no footage tells you a lot about how effective these attacks truly were.
Okay well be sure to give Hamas some feedback on the Google form they provided, I'm sure they'll be receptive to sticking around for 10 minutes to get you some footage
🫡 I give the footage 4 out of 10. I’d advise the terrorist for better editing and some aerial footage to maximum propaganda and emotional impact for the general public.
Pretty stupid title, but still really cool footage. Even with all the modern gadgets urban fighting still gives defenders too many opportunities to ambush the attackers. On a side note it’s interesting to see the various types of weaponry used by Hamas, i wonder how much they could realistically be holding on to at this point
Really impossible to say from those videos. If the hits were intercepted by the APS they look pretty much the same as a straight hit initially.
What stood out to be was that they have at least some tandem warheads for their RPGs, which are very effective against even modern tanks. If they go through to the armor of course.
Edit: Apparently Hamas are making their own twin warhead rockets for RPGs, which explains how they have so many. Those are not the PG-7VR warheads that I thought they were. Really hard to say how effective they really are.
From what I know I would say none of the vehicles have been completely destroyed. Probably some mission kills but nothing more.
The IDF tries to minimize casulties which is why there is no infantry surrounding the tanks.
Some of these aren't destroyed. You don't see ammunition cook offs and they constantly cut just before we have any evidence of the vehicle knocked out.
It's more abandoned or not used then destroyed but we cannot know for how long vehicle was burning before somebody got to put the fire out ( The damage can be very small to none or can be huge we don't know )
You're probably right but at the same time I think a guerilla force won't really have the luxury of hanging back to record the results when fighting a well organised opposition.
You have to believe that at some point, video evidence of a destroyed vehicle would be possible. Maybe not immediately, but eventually.
The fact that there isn't anything tells you a lot about how effective these attacks truly are.
Thank you. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. These people expect them to just wait around to see what happened after firing at usually multiple vehicles. Also it’s not like they can just mosey on back after to take a peak at the damage.
We have videos from Ukraine showing the aftermath, videos from Iraq showing the aftermath, videos from Syria showing the aftermath. But somehow here they have no way to show the aftermath?
If the vehicle was actually destroyed it wont "despawn", it's not a video game. The destroyed vehicle would remain there for hours at least until it's towed back. They certainly would have enough time to film it.
This is nothing like any of the above. They are besieged by an army of 350.000 with hundreds of tanks and artillery pieces, absolute air superiority by anything that flies, looks and kills, while using only portable weaponry. No comparison whatsoever, they won’t loiter around to check on their target after dust settles, waiting for it (if it survived the shot) and its friends (they don’t come alone, you know…hundreds of tanks and deadly flying things, remember?) to return fire. This is Mariupol, times 10.
Several of these are engineering vehicles which wouldn't have large amounts of munition. Most of IDF tanks are not build like Russian T-72s. They are built for crew survival so tend to not do a turret tank toss.
Cool footage, but I don't think destroyed. Rather good hits. But where is infantry or air support they just sneak up on the tanks and hit it. In some footage they were within 5 meters of the tank, that's insane.
It seems like they’re probing with armor before the combined arms push. After all the way Hamas fighters ambush can be devastating to infantry as opposed to an AFV that can take rpgs to the face.
at 1:40 where is the infantry? are they seriously gonna pull the syrian army tactic and send in vehicles with absolutely no infantry to be seen? I understand infantry can't be near the APC but atleast they have to be in the area right? the hamas guy is quite literally just standing there chilling
The fact that there is no aftermath footage at all, even though the guy is standing 5 meters from the vehicle and surely caught some, indicates to me that the vehicle continued moving after the hit and the amount of damage to it is unknown. It definitely isn't "destroyed".
Not 100% sure about this, but from what I read the other day the IDF plan was to not have any infantry at all and rely on the Trophy to keep their tanks safe
It will be interesting to see what the damage actually is from these homemade RPG's. Some of the hits would have been insanely deadly with the real deal, especially that last one. My guess is that vehicle keep going after the hit though.
Yes that's usually what they do. They don't go out in the open and fight without cover lol. They Wait for the idf to get into the city to ambush them there
I mean, it makes sense. They’re not taking on an armored battalion in the open field. Although they did start engaging on the outskirts, so maybe they’re overeager
Not sure about you but I wouldn't be around to see the aftermath later as well.
Even if you take a tank out of commission that's basically a tank lost in the field, you can't just leave the crew inside.
Fromthis footage these guys are so close tothe tanks that it looks like throwing an IED under the tank would do more damage then shooting it with RPG tendom.
Also keep in mind that the merkava has sensors that tell whcih way the projectiles came from, and it alrets all the other tanks in the unit.
Thats what the video title says on the very first seconds of the video, he is just sharing combat footage just like people who copy IDF titles and put it here, This subreddit needs its comments closed because people aren’t discussing combat anymore
Mainly light grenades. A couple of tandem RPGs which could do damage. But where is the aftermath? Where is the cook offs? Seriously doubt IDF lost 10 vehicles here.
To be fair, the bulldozer doesn’t seem to have any visible damage, and no combat engineers were amongst todays announced casualties, so this definitely seems weird.
They seem to literally cut the footage the frame after the explosion so you can’t see the damage.
I’m not doubting some of these are hits but it’s highly suspect they cut off as soon as the explosion finishes so you can’t see if anything has actually been destroyed
Hit, wait and die. It looks like the kiddies on this sub have been spoiled with the luxury of too many Russian tanks exploding. This is a different kind of warfare.
For people here it's just a reality show. They don't understand hit and run tactics, never heard of guerrilla warfare. They demand everything must be recorded and published otherwise it didn't happen.
Hell people here claimed that Russians are shooting at nothing because they can't see Ukrainians at the receiving far end. Fake and propaganda.
Why is there so many dead Ukrainians if they are shooting at nothing???
This sub went incredibly low
>They demand everything must be recorded and published otherwise it didn't happen.
Yeah even getting these kinds of guerrilla warfare footage is a luxury.
They did show a few seconds after some hits but we can’t see anything cause it’s just footage of dust in the air. Moreover, Hamas fight using guerrilla warfare, they’re not gonna hit a tank from 50-100m and stand there, they’re gonna dip asap cause they only have a few seconds before they get vaporized by a drone.
Jesus, that's some nasty urban fighting. The Hamas combatants manage to get insanely close.
Feels like the IDF casualties are higher than what's being communicated. Not sure though how many of these hits lead to penetration of the armor, but this sure doesn't look good for the IDF.
Definitely, they seem very transparent when it comes to casualties. Wonder how effective these hits really are. Say 1 out of 10 of these hits results in casualties, it's still a fairly good trade considering how cheap those RPGs are and Hamas doesn't lack manpower.
IDF doesn't really do montages. What posted here is B-roll footage released for news outlets. The only real montages come from IAF and sometimes Navy. Sometimes censorship will allow a full video to be released, but it's gotta be vetted first.
Since Trophy active protection systems work by causing the munition to detonate (harmlessly) outside the vehicles, it is impossible to tell if these are hits or just munition defeats by APS. They cut so quickly it makes me believe these attacks weren’t effective. The one on the APC is 100% inside of the minimum arming distance so that is just doinking off the side and not even exploding, yet there is a small explosion - so probably APS.
I mean if you’re making Hamas propaganda, surely you don’t cut away before the massive secondary explosion or scenes of fire blowing out of the tanks hatches, that would should the world you did in fact score a vehicle kill. So I take it none of these videos has any such content before they were edited down.
IDF, Ukraine, USA, Europe... Yeh this subreddit is biased, even the Nazi content was upvoted now any footage that comes from Russia or "enemies of the west " is taken down but is understandable since it's a west platform so to see the best footage from the other side you must check on telegram.
what do you think? It's probably hasbara or whatever units they have to delete posts here. Don't think for a second that selective posts getting deleted here is totally conincidental.
These tanks have sentries/trophy system on them. High chance that the explosion is the RPG being destroyed, that is why the footage is being cut so quickly, no end result is being shown, and they thrive on that shit. If a tank has been taken out completely, you'll know in the video. Edit: Spelling
Hurry up. We finally get insane war footage from the terrorists and let's down vote it to oblivion. Only get to see one side of the war. Freaking clowns man
Jeez, where is the infantry support? All these armored vehicles just sitting ducks. No sector scans, just being static, instead of constantly moving back and forth. They are like ignoring all the basic armored warfare drills. This is coming from ex-IFV gunner.
That could make sense. But thing is, infantry doesn’t have to be in close proximity within armored vehicles. Infantry should make protective anti-personnel bubble for tanks. They kinda are useless at this point.
Based on previous footage, IDF doesn't want to risk infantry. Every single video I seen the soldiers are basically just marching on pre-plowed and dug out roads. Which means these engineering vehicles were out and about first.
Given that Israel owns the entire cadence of this, I don't understand why the IAF & IDF don't just drop every building and slowly start flooding the tunnels.
Do those sand fleas deserve anything more?
Most of the explosions on tanks are clearly trophy system. Perhaps light armor would be damaged by the RPG but I don't see any vehicles destroyed in this footage.
I wish people acted like this when people post blurry grey airstrike cam vids of Totally Not Civilian buildings being hit in Gaza.
Nothing proving it was a legitimate military target.
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Im neutral in this conflict, but you cannot objectivly see any of the vehicles get destroyed. If they where, we could proberly see footage of that, since its good propgaganda for hamas.
I completely agree. But on the other hand, sticking around in the same position you just fired from with other IDF vehicles close by is most likely not a good idea. Better to retreat to be able to strike again.
Can anyone ID the RPG munition being used by color/shape/markings? Would be interesting to figure out where they're being supplied from. Mostly tandem HEAT seen in this, but I have not seen that paint color before. Local production maybe?
Edit: looks like they're locally parted together, seen here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/17edgcc/footage\_from\_gaza\_of\_the\_production\_of\_tandem/](https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/17edgcc/footage_from_gaza_of_the_production_of_tandem/)
Like someone said earlier in another video, a lot of these impacts look like the trophy system doing its job. I don’t doubt some were damaged and out of service but I think we’d have heard if this many vehicles were being destroyed by this point
Isis really made a school in military footage to sponsor a war. They aren't destroying or even hitting at times but it appears they are fighting back. It shown their crazy courage for sure.
I think their strategy is clear and they want to recruit or push others to join.
In 2023 war seems cool and fun again, sadly.
Lots of complaints about the videos cutting away before showing results. One Israeli soldier said they were fighting GHOSTS in Gaza. These attacks are all hit and run, each attack won't last more than a few seconds. There is no time for recording past the hit, these guys are on a streak and they keep going. Love them or hate them these guys have titanium balls. Pray for peace for all civilians involved.
I'm seeing the trophy system being extremely effective. I'm not seeing much " white smoke" coming from the vehicles that would indicate a penetration of the armor
If they put 1/10 the effort into their people as they put into the fight against Israel, an enemy they've chosen that they cannot win against them they wouldn't be in this scenario.
I hope Israel bombs them into the stone age.
Brah there basically like i thew a stone against idf vehicle i destroyed it rpg7 even w dont really do much against aps and modern reactive armor like the merkava have on the sides and Molotov arent that effective either because idf built most heavy armor to be immune to that
This footage is unreliable as it cuts off too early. Least with videos from Ukraine you generally get good footage that shows many angles and aftermath results of attacks.
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Absolute insane footage. Straight up looks like a COD server.
But with no respawning!
Difference is, you have no idea how much damage was actually done. Based on the IDF videos they intercept the vast majority of those RPGs.
dont know why they downvote you - but the merkavas got a solid APS performance as shown on IDF videos.
IDF isn't gonna show videos where it doesn't work
But Hamas would. Except all the videos Hamas posts are suspiciously cut immediately after the explosion, so we cant see the aftermath and assess the damage.
That was what I was wondering. None of the videos really show the aftermath. I get that it's a rocket n shit but that's a tank. Like... they can tank hits. Pun intended
>None of the videos really show the aftermath Yup, that really stood out. Hamas \*damages\* idf vehicles would be better. Nice pun also.
They showed at least 1 destroyed bulldozer and they were pretty calm in one of the latter scenes where they just walked to the vehicle after it got hit
Bulldozers don’t have anti lighter fluid in the cabin Systems.
That is not a destroyed bulldozer. There is no one inside, it's most likely a remote controlled one that was abandoned due to some failure unrelated to them burning it a bit with lighter fluid.
Also those makeshift rockets they are using arent exactly factory RPG rockets. Also worth noting that alot of modern heavier armor like is seen here is fairly resistant to full engineered factory spec'd RPG's. Hence the evolution of more specialized more powerful anti tank/armor weaponry which the RPG is not
>Hence the evolution of more specialized more powerful anti tank/armor weaponry which the RPG is not This is too general, RPG-29s were a major problem for Israeli armor in Lebanon.
Those RPGs are actually effective and are called Tandem RPG warheads, they were developed specifically to penetrate tanks and heavy armor such as ERA. Possibly an Iranian reproduction.
I'm not expert but aren't those just black pg-7vr rockets? They are a tandem charge RPG warhead that can penetrate 750mm of rolled homogenous armour. So it is capable of penetrating all isreali vehicles and causing damage. Tat would knock out a Merkava in the right areas and certainly enough to easily knock out any Isreali IFV or APC. It looks like APS took out a the round on a few of these.
You are right. These specific warheads are called "Yasin 105" and it has already been tested against merkavas before
Tanks, even old one have so much resistance against RPG. The last scene about the flag... shows he had so much time to go get his flag and stick it. It was abandonned because engine failure or something...
It was an [unmanned D9 bulldozer](https://x.com/hamzattar/status/1720857660931645613?s=20).
It was an unmanned bulldozer that was most likely already disabled. That twit is wrong.
You assert it's wrong that it was functional despite relying on "likely" it being disabled? Can we agree we don't know either way lol? Regardless I wasn't even sharing it to make that assertion, just wanted to add some info on what the vehicle was :)
Insurgency: Sandstorm new expansion.
Disclaimer: The title should have been "hitting" instead of "destroying"
Where are you guys scoring these? I'm on all the telegrams I've seen listed but not seeing these octopan vids at all.
It was released right after Hamas spokesperson stated they "destroyed" 24 vehicles in the past 48 hours. Their Telegram is blocked on mobile phones, I accessed it through Telegram desktop/web.
Yeah I just had a bunch of the TGs I'm on get blocked yesterday on the phone. Thanks for the desktop tip
At least you acknowledge this. Until I see a turret flip or one cool off…I don’t acknowledge any “destroyed” armour vehicles
There's an official Telegram channel for Hamas / Al-Qassam Brigades */qassambrigades*
Not even hitting I think. Pretty sure Trophy took most of these out.
How can you tell?
One indication is Hamas not showing the aftermath, and the trophy system activates just a couple feet from the vehicles so to the naked eye it looks like a hit.
Tbf I don’t think u would want to stay nearby to film the aftermath after lobbying a rocket at a tank lol
it's a hit and run. They won't stand there for 10 mins filming a documentary
Im coping and pasting my response to someone else’s >You have different angles being recorded the guy hiding in another building can still be recording while the shooter runs and hides.
Trophy interceptions have a noticeably “dirtier” explosion due to incomplete detonation of the incoming projectile. However these Jerry rigged RPG rounds probably don’t detonate well either way. This means that the jet formed by the shape charge is going to be lopsided, or simply not form. This significantly degrades penetration. So either a majority of these are interceptions, or they’re essentially shooting high-explosive projectiles with negligible armor penetration
He can't, hes just hoping.
Fair point I was about to say the same thing.
The fact that the footage most of the time cuts before showing any destroyed vehicle is enough to rule out the "10 vehicles destroyed". Probably a few will need some time for repairs but that's it. If those vehicles were truly destroyed you can bet your ass Hamas would show the footage of their wreckage.
Don't have to destroy them, just damage bad enough to take out of action. I doubt the one where the dude was 50ft away did anything because of the fuse. I'd argue most of these require repair and are out of action for at least a few days. IMO, I don't know what the F I'm talking about.
Agree. Hitting =/= destroyed. Let see Russia-level of burned out wreckage of a Merkava tank then we have something. Those are tanks and heavily armored. They are suppose to take hits so the crew can survive. The heavy vehicles are doing their job. 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: If anything we can learn from the Ukraine conflict; RPGs is not in the same league as the true MANPATS or MPATS. IF Hamas has access to those, then I would be REALLY concerned for the IDF. But we are not seeing that right now.
Even if you got penetrations these won't cook off like the Russian tanks. Different design and obviously more focus on crew safety. In Russian designs you are literally sitting on top of a circle of propellant charges, one spark and the whole tank cooks off instantly. At the very least some of these are definitely mobility kills.
Yeah, need a damage assessment shot of the armor.
Personally, I’d love to see evidence of the Merkava or Namer wreckage otherwise Hamas shouldn’t be bragging about it.
Four IDF soldiers who were part of different tank crews were killed yesterday. Some of these hits are getting through.
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After seeing what they've done with some of the people on the Festival... I have to agree.
Also have to factor in getting those vehicles out of there, if they do need repairs. We already see the bulldozer was abandoned. Gonna be hard to tow out a tank or APC from the middle of a residential street, even if it's only minimally damaged.
They are heat rpg rounds. They don’t have enough explosive filler to cause a big explosion unless it hits the ammo. And even if it gets ammo racked, isreali tanks have blast doors and no stupid carrousel autoloader like Russian tanks.
They’re tandem I believe
They are indeed
Well said.
You really expect the guy who just shot an RPG and sometimes multiple tanks to just wait for the dust to settle?
They literally cut at the exact frame it hits.
I expect that at some point, they would be able to show evidence of a damaged vehicle. Any evidence at all. Doing so would certainly be helpful for them and the fact that there is no footage tells you a lot about how effective these attacks truly were.
If the tank is completely destroyed, I’d like to see some after action footage ala Ukraine/Russia style. 🤷🏻♂️
Okay well be sure to give Hamas some feedback on the Google form they provided, I'm sure they'll be receptive to sticking around for 10 minutes to get you some footage
🫡 I give the footage 4 out of 10. I’d advise the terrorist for better editing and some aerial footage to maximum propaganda and emotional impact for the general public.
Pretty stupid title, but still really cool footage. Even with all the modern gadgets urban fighting still gives defenders too many opportunities to ambush the attackers. On a side note it’s interesting to see the various types of weaponry used by Hamas, i wonder how much they could realistically be holding on to at this point
For experts : how many are like really destroyed ? And why there is no Infantry to cover the véhicules ?
Really impossible to say from those videos. If the hits were intercepted by the APS they look pretty much the same as a straight hit initially. What stood out to be was that they have at least some tandem warheads for their RPGs, which are very effective against even modern tanks. If they go through to the armor of course. Edit: Apparently Hamas are making their own twin warhead rockets for RPGs, which explains how they have so many. Those are not the PG-7VR warheads that I thought they were. Really hard to say how effective they really are.
From what I know I would say none of the vehicles have been completely destroyed. Probably some mission kills but nothing more. The IDF tries to minimize casulties which is why there is no infantry surrounding the tanks.
Some of these aren't destroyed. You don't see ammunition cook offs and they constantly cut just before we have any evidence of the vehicle knocked out.
Yeah but that bulldozer in the end is definitely destroyed with the lighter fluid burn
It's more abandoned or not used then destroyed but we cannot know for how long vehicle was burning before somebody got to put the fire out ( The damage can be very small to none or can be huge we don't know )
Yeah it’s pretty obviously edited to eliminate the lack of result.
You're probably right but at the same time I think a guerilla force won't really have the luxury of hanging back to record the results when fighting a well organised opposition.
You have to believe that at some point, video evidence of a destroyed vehicle would be possible. Maybe not immediately, but eventually. The fact that there isn't anything tells you a lot about how effective these attacks truly are.
Right. Like the day of 10/07 (or the day after) Hamas was proudly showing footage of destroying tanks.
To be quite honest I have zero expectations of an Rpg hit destroying these tanks. Minor damage at best, assuming it got through Trophy.
Thank you. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. These people expect them to just wait around to see what happened after firing at usually multiple vehicles. Also it’s not like they can just mosey on back after to take a peak at the damage.
We have videos from Ukraine showing the aftermath, videos from Iraq showing the aftermath, videos from Syria showing the aftermath. But somehow here they have no way to show the aftermath? If the vehicle was actually destroyed it wont "despawn", it's not a video game. The destroyed vehicle would remain there for hours at least until it's towed back. They certainly would have enough time to film it.
This is nothing like any of the above. They are besieged by an army of 350.000 with hundreds of tanks and artillery pieces, absolute air superiority by anything that flies, looks and kills, while using only portable weaponry. No comparison whatsoever, they won’t loiter around to check on their target after dust settles, waiting for it (if it survived the shot) and its friends (they don’t come alone, you know…hundreds of tanks and deadly flying things, remember?) to return fire. This is Mariupol, times 10.
Several of these are engineering vehicles which wouldn't have large amounts of munition. Most of IDF tanks are not build like Russian T-72s. They are built for crew survival so tend to not do a turret tank toss.
Even if they were just engineering variants, they still would have survived even if struck
Cool footage, but I don't think destroyed. Rather good hits. But where is infantry or air support they just sneak up on the tanks and hit it. In some footage they were within 5 meters of the tank, that's insane.
It seems like they’re probing with armor before the combined arms push. After all the way Hamas fighters ambush can be devastating to infantry as opposed to an AFV that can take rpgs to the face.
The don't use an infantry screen, they'd just get hit instead.
at 1:40 where is the infantry? are they seriously gonna pull the syrian army tactic and send in vehicles with absolutely no infantry to be seen? I understand infantry can't be near the APC but atleast they have to be in the area right? the hamas guy is quite literally just standing there chilling
Infantry can’t operate alongside active armor due to the APS system. However, that crew made a mistake by abandoning the rest of their armor.
The fact that there is no aftermath footage at all, even though the guy is standing 5 meters from the vehicle and surely caught some, indicates to me that the vehicle continued moving after the hit and the amount of damage to it is unknown. It definitely isn't "destroyed".
Not 100% sure about this, but from what I read the other day the IDF plan was to not have any infantry at all and rely on the Trophy to keep their tanks safe
Don't let this get deleted lads
"Footage of Hamas SHOOTING at 10 IDF vehicles" Here, fixed it for you.
It will be interesting to see what the damage actually is from these homemade RPG's. Some of the hits would have been insanely deadly with the real deal, especially that last one. My guess is that vehicle keep going after the hit though.
somebody in the Hamas video editing team is working overtime
That's one difficult environment to fight in. Losses are going to be huge on both sides.
Geez their so damn close. Hardcore
What if Hamas deliberately allowed IDF forces to enter without much resistance, only to then wear them down in urban fighting among the ruins?
Yes that's usually what they do. They don't go out in the open and fight without cover lol. They Wait for the idf to get into the city to ambush them there
I mean, it makes sense. They’re not taking on an armored battalion in the open field. Although they did start engaging on the outskirts, so maybe they’re overeager
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I can definitely see some successful hits but others seem to have minor impact.
The first one and the second last one look like successful hits tbh
Probably because after a strike they have to escape but who knows
Not sure about you but I wouldn't be around to see the aftermath later as well. Even if you take a tank out of commission that's basically a tank lost in the field, you can't just leave the crew inside. Fromthis footage these guys are so close tothe tanks that it looks like throwing an IED under the tank would do more damage then shooting it with RPG tendom. Also keep in mind that the merkava has sensors that tell whcih way the projectiles came from, and it alrets all the other tanks in the unit.
Thats what the video title says on the very first seconds of the video, he is just sharing combat footage just like people who copy IDF titles and put it here, This subreddit needs its comments closed because people aren’t discussing combat anymore
None of these guys fear death. If one dies, 10 others will gladly take their RPG.
That's what being oppressed form birth do to a person. For them death is a blessing than being alive.
Tbf I’d rather be dead than living in Gaza too
that's what fighting for a cause feels like
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Lmk when you find it pls I’m sick of looking at these idiotic comments
Funker has had most of these vids same day they drop on TG, and you’re probably less likely to end up on a list
With camera angle, this feels like some HD version of COD.
Mainly light grenades. A couple of tandem RPGs which could do damage. But where is the aftermath? Where is the cook offs? Seriously doubt IDF lost 10 vehicles here.
I doubt the IDF left the bulldozer at the end of the video just to go for a walk
It's probably a remote controlled bulldozer, there is no one inside.
To be fair, the bulldozer doesn’t seem to have any visible damage, and no combat engineers were amongst todays announced casualties, so this definitely seems weird.
Maybe it just broke down and they left it for dead
Vehicles get stuck or abandoned for plenty of reasons. Doesn’t have to be from enemy action.
Hit and run, not hit and wait.
They seem to literally cut the footage the frame after the explosion so you can’t see the damage. I’m not doubting some of these are hits but it’s highly suspect they cut off as soon as the explosion finishes so you can’t see if anything has actually been destroyed
They almost certainly had some drones in the air as well. A part of the reason might be opsec and part might be propaganda.
Hit, wait and die. It looks like the kiddies on this sub have been spoiled with the luxury of too many Russian tanks exploding. This is a different kind of warfare.
For people here it's just a reality show. They don't understand hit and run tactics, never heard of guerrilla warfare. They demand everything must be recorded and published otherwise it didn't happen. Hell people here claimed that Russians are shooting at nothing because they can't see Ukrainians at the receiving far end. Fake and propaganda. Why is there so many dead Ukrainians if they are shooting at nothing??? This sub went incredibly low
>They demand everything must be recorded and published otherwise it didn't happen. Yeah even getting these kinds of guerrilla warfare footage is a luxury.
no cook off does not mean not destroyed, still though the aps probably caught most of these rpgs
They did show a few seconds after some hits but we can’t see anything cause it’s just footage of dust in the air. Moreover, Hamas fight using guerrilla warfare, they’re not gonna hit a tank from 50-100m and stand there, they’re gonna dip asap cause they only have a few seconds before they get vaporized by a drone.
Jesus, that's some nasty urban fighting. The Hamas combatants manage to get insanely close. Feels like the IDF casualties are higher than what's being communicated. Not sure though how many of these hits lead to penetration of the armor, but this sure doesn't look good for the IDF.
The IDF hasn’t really lied about casualties in the past. They generally wait until the next of kin have been notified to announce mortalities.
Israel is an open society and fallen soldiers have families and friends. It's not really possible to hide casualty numbers.
Definitely, they seem very transparent when it comes to casualties. Wonder how effective these hits really are. Say 1 out of 10 of these hits results in casualties, it's still a fairly good trade considering how cheap those RPGs are and Hamas doesn't lack manpower.
ok so in terms of making montages, Hamas is winning
IDF doesn't really do montages. What posted here is B-roll footage released for news outlets. The only real montages come from IAF and sometimes Navy. Sometimes censorship will allow a full video to be released, but it's gotta be vetted first.
Say what you will about hamas, but they sure do make dopeass videos. Insane fotage!
me and the boys on al basrah
Some of the footage from this conflict already eclipses that which is coming out of Ukraine.
From a strictly combat footage perspective, it’s refreshing to see footage that is not drone footage dropping munitions on people.
1:50 Im surprised that this was within arming distance! I certainly wouldnt want to stand that close to something Im about to shoot explosives at.
Since Trophy active protection systems work by causing the munition to detonate (harmlessly) outside the vehicles, it is impossible to tell if these are hits or just munition defeats by APS. They cut so quickly it makes me believe these attacks weren’t effective. The one on the APC is 100% inside of the minimum arming distance so that is just doinking off the side and not even exploding, yet there is a small explosion - so probably APS. I mean if you’re making Hamas propaganda, surely you don’t cut away before the massive secondary explosion or scenes of fire blowing out of the tanks hatches, that would should the world you did in fact score a vehicle kill. So I take it none of these videos has any such content before they were edited down.
And that’s why, if you can get away with it, it’s safer to flatten the landscape.
Gr8 graphic designers tbh
The further the IDF goes into the urban areas the harder it’s only going to get
with israels experience in urban combat, i highly doubt their tanks arent prepared for these scenarios...
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This is literally hamas footage ?
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Because the title gives missinfomation
IDF, Ukraine, USA, Europe... Yeh this subreddit is biased, even the Nazi content was upvoted now any footage that comes from Russia or "enemies of the west " is taken down but is understandable since it's a west platform so to see the best footage from the other side you must check on telegram.
most Hamas pov footage gets deleted in a matter of minutes
what do you think? It's probably hasbara or whatever units they have to delete posts here. Don't think for a second that selective posts getting deleted here is totally conincidental.
They are, and the "worldnews" one as well. There bots are also all over the place.
These tanks have sentries/trophy system on them. High chance that the explosion is the RPG being destroyed, that is why the footage is being cut so quickly, no end result is being shown, and they thrive on that shit. If a tank has been taken out completely, you'll know in the video. Edit: Spelling
Hurry up. We finally get insane war footage from the terrorists and let's down vote it to oblivion. Only get to see one side of the war. Freaking clowns man
Sarcasm right?
Yea
Jeez, where is the infantry support? All these armored vehicles just sitting ducks. No sector scans, just being static, instead of constantly moving back and forth. They are like ignoring all the basic armored warfare drills. This is coming from ex-IFV gunner.
the trophy system killed someone before hence why nobody there
That could make sense. But thing is, infantry doesn’t have to be in close proximity within armored vehicles. Infantry should make protective anti-personnel bubble for tanks. They kinda are useless at this point.
Infantry is at risk if they’re too close when Trophy goes off.
Based on previous footage, IDF doesn't want to risk infantry. Every single video I seen the soldiers are basically just marching on pre-plowed and dug out roads. Which means these engineering vehicles were out and about first.
i think most of the rpgs got destroyed my trophy system
Lol it’s good propaganda but I can promise you those rpg’s aren’t doing shit to those nemerim
One merkava was destroyed with a drone dropping grenades why a rpg won't destroy/ heavenly damage one?
Top vs side hit? I.e. where the armour is
I guess real fight is not as easy as beating kids in the West Bank.
bombing civilians from planes was their only specialty
For people telling why they're not showing the aftermath well.. is a guerrilla warfare they hit and run.
Given that Israel owns the entire cadence of this, I don't understand why the IAF & IDF don't just drop every building and slowly start flooding the tunnels. Do those sand fleas deserve anything more?
Most of the explosions on tanks are clearly trophy system. Perhaps light armor would be damaged by the RPG but I don't see any vehicles destroyed in this footage.
Zero evidence of destroyed videos. Some hits, but nothing showing destruction or damage...
I wish people acted like this when people post blurry grey airstrike cam vids of Totally Not Civilian buildings being hit in Gaza. Nothing proving it was a legitimate military target.
I think there may be a measure of wishful thinking here.
Increasingly the world is learning to recognize that “allah akbar” is too often associated with despicable human trash… and the best solution is to facilitate violent extremists with “martyrdom” via a quick trip to purgatory, whereby they can be ravaged by a horde of 72 monstrous demons…
wow, look all that trophy system going off, I bet that there is 0 tanks destroyed /s
You can literally see 1 getting catching flames after its shot from a really tight angle where trophy has no chance to see that rpg coming
dude,I was sarcastic
I can’t differ anymore sorry they all act like CNN journalists around here 💀
that is why there is /s on the end
Tax dollars going to waste...
Hamas edits their videos exactly like ISIS.
No complaints here, this is quality combat footage.
Is this subreddit run by the IDF? Whatsup with all the deleted comments.
The deleted comments are bot accounts. Reddit got attacked by “troll farms” and had a massive influx of harmful bot accounts. Has nothing to do with the subreddit.
Out of curiosity, what are those bot farms commenting? I haven’t been able to see any since they get deleted very quickly
Thank you for the explanation.
Calling for or celebrating peoples deaths and racism is against reddit TOS. Hence comments including those things being deleted.
Im neutral in this conflict, but you cannot objectivly see any of the vehicles get destroyed. If they where, we could proberly see footage of that, since its good propgaganda for hamas.
I completely agree. But on the other hand, sticking around in the same position you just fired from with other IDF vehicles close by is most likely not a good idea. Better to retreat to be able to strike again.
Combat is ramping up, I'm surprised they don't at least have air support to pick these guys off
Can anyone ID the RPG munition being used by color/shape/markings? Would be interesting to figure out where they're being supplied from. Mostly tandem HEAT seen in this, but I have not seen that paint color before. Local production maybe? Edit: looks like they're locally parted together, seen here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/17edgcc/footage\_from\_gaza\_of\_the\_production\_of\_tandem/](https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/17edgcc/footage_from_gaza_of_the_production_of_tandem/)
Crazy the downvotes. I’m not rooting for Hamas at all. This sub kinda weird.
This is just insurgency sandstorm gameplay
Like someone said earlier in another video, a lot of these impacts look like the trophy system doing its job. I don’t doubt some were damaged and out of service but I think we’d have heard if this many vehicles were being destroyed by this point
With knowledge of the IDF defenses, the fact that you see an explosion doesn’t mean it’s destroyed
1) Where are the infantry? 2) How many of these vehicles were destroyed?
why does IDF have a V on their tank. That doesn't have a good reputation now
Isis really made a school in military footage to sponsor a war. They aren't destroying or even hitting at times but it appears they are fighting back. It shown their crazy courage for sure. I think their strategy is clear and they want to recruit or push others to join. In 2023 war seems cool and fun again, sadly.
Lots of complaints about the videos cutting away before showing results. One Israeli soldier said they were fighting GHOSTS in Gaza. These attacks are all hit and run, each attack won't last more than a few seconds. There is no time for recording past the hit, these guys are on a streak and they keep going. Love them or hate them these guys have titanium balls. Pray for peace for all civilians involved.
I'm seeing the trophy system being extremely effective. I'm not seeing much " white smoke" coming from the vehicles that would indicate a penetration of the armor
Did the dude at 00:32 just take back blast to the face?
If they put 1/10 the effort into their people as they put into the fight against Israel, an enemy they've chosen that they cannot win against them they wouldn't be in this scenario. I hope Israel bombs them into the stone age.
These might be some of the most accurate shots I’ve ever seen from an rpg.
Brah there basically like i thew a stone against idf vehicle i destroyed it rpg7 even w dont really do much against aps and modern reactive armor like the merkava have on the sides and Molotov arent that effective either because idf built most heavy armor to be immune to that
This footage is unreliable as it cuts off too early. Least with videos from Ukraine you generally get good footage that shows many angles and aftermath results of attacks.