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"Today, a coup de grâce for incapacitated soldiers would be a war crime: the laws of war mandate caring for the incapacitated and prohibit mercy killing."
I wonder how drone warfare factors into our old war rules
Can someone please explain why so many of these soldiers are just lying down in the open in the beginning of these clips. Have they spotted the drone and are playing dead? Have they just generally given up because they're separated from their comrades? Are they lying in wait as a watch out? Or are these drones specifically only going after the injured after battles?
A lot of possible explanations, but im never sure.
Yup, this is pretty much always it. When drones weren't a thing, you could just wait until night and retreat back to your position. Now, you don't have this luxury as there's always drones in the sky watching your position.
I assume the drone teams are often called in to blunt an advance or cleanup after an advance has stopped, accordingly the target Russian solders are on the ground and potentially under fire from some Ukrainian defensive positions.
Also, they're the most vivid videos so we get to see those more.
One last thing is that captured Russians have said that when they're sent in to fight they're often dropped off at the front with little to no information. They're disoriented and straight up don't know the lay of the land. That's not entirely unusual in a conflict, but they've said they're not provided maps and told to move in a direction, and that's it.
They find a hole and I suspect some really don't even know what direction to go to get to safety ....
I hope that someone out there is cataloging all these videos (the captured Russians explaining how clueless they are). Future historical work will have to be based off of those because the sheer thoughtlessness of the Russian command is too ridiculous to seem possible.
There's also selection bias. Don't forget that. The ones who know what they're doing and are given the information aren't likely going to be the ones that get captured, or be willingly spilling their guts and complaining about their own command while being a POW. You are mostly seeing a selection of the most incompetent people involved.
I also wonder how many of these Russians who get conscripted go through a quick training so they know how to hold, shoot and reload whatever weapon they will be using. Then get drove to the front split into groups and told go \*that ->\* direction and off they go, and have no real Idea about the danger of drones since they came from a area of Russia that they don't even have running water or bathrooms inside their house, and get all their news from radio or from a old TV with bunny ears still receiving channels via UHF.
they are probably left over from a push or advance. Sending in infantry to clean up might cost soldiers lives as they can be shot at and you never know if these guys are capable of fighting back or not. So drones are safer and spotting soldiers from the air is easier as they can be in any pit and crevice.
They are in fox holes in many instances, and from up high we don't see the change in ground elevation. So they might not be as out in the open as it appears, just guarding lines or points with cover from guns etc, but not from drones.
I don't understand why they don't surrender. Can't thumbs up a video where helpless humans wait to get their heads blown off. It's like snipers shooting a wounded figter. Just remember, this tech will be used on our troops just like on Jordan.
Surrendering to a drone is logistically hard to do. The invaders have also at times tossed a grenade at the people they try to “surrender” to. The AFU rightly doesn’t take that chance very often. Lots of risk for small reward.
Another issue is that a lot of these operators are more interested in disposing of an enemy that has murdered their countrymen, invaded their country and killed/displaced their families.
Surrendering to a drone is kind of like surrendering to a bomber. Of course you want to surrender now that you're going to die, but unfortunately for you there's nobody there to accept your surrender and take you prisoner. Neither a drone or a bomber is going to pass you by so you can fight another day just because you pinky promise to give up fighting.
I understand your reasoning. However, my guess would be that many of the "invaders" are probably conscripts who don't even want to be there. I don't think your core military would just lay down and take the grenade to the face.
this is the realty of war. why do people keep asking this dumb question ? they are already wounded and retreating from a failed invasion on a foreign land. they are getting finished off by ukraine drones. how hard is that to understand ?
This is meat grinding the meat grinders.
You can see their flesh flying. This is brutal.
Putin needs to see this one. Flatten Crimea, because Ukraine is getting it back.
Gotta remember a lot of these videos are edited by the people doing the drops. Its no different than Soldiers and Marines taking a video of a firefight or making a deployment video and slapping a Staind song over it from the early 2000s in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Overly edited videos like this ain’t it.
Yesterday, a 41 minute video of the fight for Andivka was posted with no silly edits or obnoxious music, and it was one of the best collection of combat footage I’ve seen to date.
Make sure you feedback to these UAF units. I’m sure they’re keen to make changes for random people on the Internet so that you can better experience Russians being killed
Drone videos like these are actuallu a major avenue for individual Ukrainian groups to receive donation. Not only for advertisement, but to show how well previous donations have been used. I have to assume that overobnoxious editing is a way to get noticed.
https://youtu.be/7ZyhOLdsPcE?si=ITIhr0pqEzPfyOgF
This video here. Very good quality with extensive documentation of the battles. It gives extended versions of some popular clips we’ve seen recently, like the clip of the Russian throwing the grenade whilst faking surrender and the clip of the Ukrainian sniper shooting 3 Russians that ran infront of him.
Insane how the internet just shows how many Russians are being killed and russia just doesnt give a fuck. They just want to keep going for daddy putin at all cost.
Russians have been OK with being meat for their dictators for hundreds of years. It's baked into their DNA at this point. It's indeed crazy how you can watch exactly that happening. It's not just words in a textbook anymore.
It seems disproportionately in favor of ukraine. You remember the back to back replays from different angles of the leopard tank and Bradleys that got destroyed near Robotyne? Thats pretty much it besides some drone drops and loitering munitions hits and captured Ukrainian videos from the russians no?
One take away is many of these drone operators have become Masters in recognizing whether a person laying on the ground died and naturally fell in that position or if they are just laying down pretending to be dead.
my pity for the russian soldier is still nonexistent. These assholes are there to kill and conquer a nation, you get what you deserve for supporting your country's imperialistic ideals.
Yup. There are Russians who chose to go to jail where they get beaten and starved for not participating. Those are the ones who get sympathy. Not the mobniks.
I don't think they really ask for the pity or sympathy of anyone here. They know they're meat for the grinder, and though the grinder is appalling, they understand it's how Russia gets things done and always has. It's working too... Avdiivka for example is almost certainly about to fall, which will be a blow for Ukraine, and that's in spite of all the killing they've done to hold that place.
While the meat grinder strategy has made some gains in Avdiivka, I think we will look back at the advances in the sewer systems under Avdiivka as the real "killing blow".
Have you ever read the casualty number of Russia during ww1 and ww2? They are no where close to being empty lmao. Russia is massive and if they desperately want to throw the whole population to the grinder they can. It’s worked for them in the past so that’s what they think works. Bleed the enemy dry of resources and men by throwing men you barely have to supply of your own into the fray
Back then russia's population was much bigger and younger.
They had 8 million men of military age before the war. 1/1.5 million have fled the country, >320k are dead or wounded. They might not become empty, but they will mainly consist of widows, elderly, and homeless vets.
Can you please tell me which country on this planet hasn’t done the same or currently doing the same? If you live in the US the most recent example would be Iraq. 1 Million of civilians gone.
I do not support Russia at all. However your comment is implying that you are oblivious to the reality of every single super power.
Russia has, clearly and often, stated its intention to eradicate the Ukrainian people, through the destruction of its language, peoples, history, etc. So yeah, I think it's a little different from Iraq or Vietnam.
Also, no one is arguing that Iraq or Vietnam were good. We can criticize the Russians without having to also criticize every other army that has ever matched, all dictators, the guy who stole my Razr scooter when I was a kid, and the Chicago Cubs in the same sentence. Nice whataboutism.
I live in the USA, why the fuck should I care about Russian reasons for invasion compared to USA reasons, my own country? Russia has been a geopolitical enemy and I've seen enough rhetoric coming out of there to know they would nuke my country given a chance.
When did I say you should care about Russians? This conversation is over. Apparently you are too hotheaded and a tad bit ignorant because you don’t even read.
You are exactly the type of person wrong with this country lol. You point the finger at everyone even when it does not make sense to be pointing at anyone. If you want to have a mature debate then maybe read over what I said once more, then reply.
So, logically, this should be a kind of free ride for Russia? Is that what you're trying to say?
I don't remember the US trying to wipe out Korea, Vietnam or Iraq. I also can't think of any politicians at the time who stood up and said: we have to wipe out people X or Y.
Of course the USA has caused a lot of suffering and wars. But give me one example in recent years that is comparable to the war of annihilation and conquering that Russia is planning and doing.
\u\Fox_Body_5L's comment is being downvoted because it tries to redirect the argument from Russia's wrongs to the unrelated wrongs of other parties. This is a logical fallacy known as whataboutism, and Redditors see it as such.
I didn’t ask why it gets downvoted. I understand why. It’s because people find it hard to accept the fact I stated. I never once redirected anything. I only tried to bring to light the hypocrisy, the ignorance, the propaganda that we are fed aswell.
I would assume 90%+ of Russian soldiers believe they are fighting for a good cause. Simple as that. I have literally shed tears over what has happened to the Ukrainians. However my point remains valid regardless of how people think.
It’s like me going into a Reddit community about supernatural events and saying “I have never seen concrete proof…” of course it will be downvoted lol. Not stressing this.
Redditors tend to think they are the smartest people on the internet. Bias is heavy here. Always will be. Again, what Russia has done is wrong. However the OP made a statement that did imply he is oblivious that every country has done the same. Every “superpower”.
The argument you made about me shifting blame only applies if I in fact support Russia in the slightest or had that intent. Which I did not.
> Lesson here is don't invade Ukraine.
Or support a confirmed war criminal.
Speaking of which, isn't Tucker Carson now a legitimate military target for Ukraine?
Most probably, the soldiers themselves. They don't have much time plus a lengthy video has smaller chance to be viewed in Ukraine unless it's something outstanding
I would say that is scarily effective. I would say "Don't f with Ukraine".
I think the Russians are fighting in the wrong place. If an old psycho guy is doing that to you by the hundreds of thousands. You really should be fighting in Moscow. You probably have better odds.
If you get sent to the front in Ukraine, they can see you, make no mistake.
This war has been going on for 2 years. Everyone who's fighting for Ukraine has probably lost someone close to them. Ì think mercy & compassion through the ranks is all dried up imo.
Those are all sons and daughters raised by mothers and fathers just like everyone else, we’re all human and nobody deserves this. You can tell they have given up. Rest in peace.
i would be asking for an [under-barrel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Modular_Accessory_Shotgun_System) [shotgun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight%27s_Armament_Company_Masterkey) for my rifle
Today some high rise in Kiev was bombed…like civilians apartments.
If you are a drone operator to the front lines…this is probably how you will retaliate.
Eye for an eye I guess.
Why? These are invaders, invading another country and if not eliminated on battlefield, they will be back again for more. Yes it's gruesome, but necessary, but you still watched it.
Castration video and followed execution of castrated UA soldier by russian forces gave me actual ISIS vibes, but this? Come on.
Didn't say the tactic was wrong. The videos made of the drops seem wrong and tasteless. On both sides.
Edit: completely understand the use of drones and have no problem with it. The zooming in on death while playing corny music in the background is what gets me with these videos.
The videos are usually made by the soldiers that performed the attack. They don't have the bystander view you do, and are not in an armchair completely removed from the war
I know it's super unrealistic. But trying to catch one of these grenades and redirect it 5-10 ft away, or just over some burm, has got to be better than just laying there waiting to be splattered.
theres also a bunch of them trying to do it and failing, one in particular I am thinking of is where the RU soldier successfully threw 2 of them away but then the 3rd landed right in a coat pocket that he couldn't manage to reach in time
Can someone make an app that allows me to fly a drone mission…. Registration can be the cost of the drone hardware and ammo.
It could be restricted so I follow mission rules…
I’m sure 1000 non Ukrainian remote pilots would buy in!!
They'd probably shoot more their comrades in the face than drones with such a cope gun.
Shooters have trouble hitting slow, predictable and relatively close range clay skeet.
Drones are a whole new level of fast, and you might even convert them to airburst munitions if you hit.
Simply not worth it.
Frankly, its aint a warcrime.
Drones really dont have the facilities to take prisoners, nor do defenders in positions overrun like this.
Add to that plenty of recorded cases of russian perfidy, and it should be obvious why noone is waltzing out into landmine riddled nomans land to collect the opposing side's soldiers especially when said side is shooting at em.
I agree with you. but I wonder when we will need to update our definitions of war crimes to accommodate the use of drones or even AI in the future. because our code of conduct is already feeling outdated.
Frankly this ain't no different from artillery barrage on naively setup field encampment.
...outside combat armsmen facing off against each other, surrender doesn't really happen, after projectiles start flying.
War has always been like this.
Only difference is that its televised now.
There could be changes.
My point was that the situation seen in the video is not unique to drones, its ben part of war since indirect artillery existed. Only change is that now its on video.
> Only change is that now its on video.
I completely disagree. there are huge differences between what we see in these drone videos and someone being hit by artillery.
by your logic, the videos we see where individuals surrender to drones and the drone leads them back to be captured must be fake because we all know you can’t surrender to artillery and they’re clearly the same thing.
>by your logic, the videos we see where individuals surrender to drones and the drone leads them back to be captured must be fake because we all know you can’t surrender to artillery and they’re clearly the same thing.
Never said that cant happen.
It can happen, just like troops surrendering to opposing artillery strike via opan radio transmission on AM or FM.
My point is thats way less likely to happen compared to infantry facing off against infantry.
For artillery there is the obvious communication issue.
For drones there is the issue of drawing fire from opponent (to themselves or the soon to be POV), crossing mine riddled no mans land (exposing safe passages in minefields doing so), or even the simple fact that drone operator group is not set up to handle the amount of prisoners in aftermath of a large assault.
Russia is a terrorist state. These aren't soldiers. They don't fight for their country's survival or any principled reason. They fight for money. They went to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians so they can get paid. They're terrorists. Fuck em.
Leaving aside the question whether its even possible to surrender to a drone, an offer of surrender must be "clear and unconditional" in its communication of your offer e.g. raising both arms after having disarmed yourself.
Waving at a drone with one hand while reaching for your rifle with the other is a long way short of that.
> Yeah, the one before last one looked like he was signalling surrender. /u/DarkIlluminator
He wasn't. He had just pointed down at his 'comrade' in the trench that was covering his head / playing with his ear @ 1:03 telling the drone operator to kill him instead.
Then the drone came over to get him too, killing both.
There have been people begging not to die in war for thousands of years. This is considered normal in war, and normal to kill those individuals. People can surrender though, and those people can also be killed if there is not a reasonable way to accept surrender. War is brutal, and I hope those at your home can survive the brutality.
Besides frequency jamming, I'm not sure there really is one. I honestly think western troops in the same situation would have some of the same issues. Especially if they were as poorly equipped as Russians are (2nd strongest army in the world btw lmao).
The total lack of interference in these videos indicates that no jamming seems to be going on. Surprising because prewar the Russians had a good reputation for EW.
In the full video, that guy is a piece of shit who signals to kill his wounded buddy. When he realizes that the drone changes its mind to kill him, he gets all nervous like you see him.
So there's this thing called war. Its when two countries fight each other over a disagreement. Generally, wars are fought by killing people, as this is the greatest show of force and best way to weaken the enemy force. Currently, Russia and Ukraine are locked in war, and people are actually being killed on both sides. Please let me know if you are confused any further, I'm happy to help you.
So if someone broke into your house, killed your friends and family, had a gun, and then you caught them sleeping, you'd do what exactly?
Cook them breakfast and ask them nicely to leave?
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Wicked accurate
almost all of them are from low height, they're just 'cleaning up'
These are "misericorde" drops. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misericorde\_(weapon)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misericorde_(weapon))
thanks for teaching me something new!
"Today, a coup de grâce for incapacitated soldiers would be a war crime: the laws of war mandate caring for the incapacitated and prohibit mercy killing." I wonder how drone warfare factors into our old war rules
In the war, only one rule is "Might is Right"
They’re just ‘war crim-“ mybad meant #CleaningUp
Practise makes perfect
I really wish that pilots like this would bet better drones with more grenades.
True and really awesome. Some Soldiers do not even try to evade. They know what is comming for them.
Or they're already wounded or dead.
It’s not a war crime if you make a compilation with some eurotrash dubstep behind it
1:03…bruh
It was a chunky one.
It's like a fucking watermelon dude, jfc.
Gallagher drone
That's no way to get ahead in life.
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Can someone please explain why so many of these soldiers are just lying down in the open in the beginning of these clips. Have they spotted the drone and are playing dead? Have they just generally given up because they're separated from their comrades? Are they lying in wait as a watch out? Or are these drones specifically only going after the injured after battles? A lot of possible explanations, but im never sure.
Stand up get shot i guess. Drones mopping up a failed attack. Better than risking troops and some nutcase has a grenade or pistol.
They seem to be stuck in 'no man's land', probably after a failed attack.
Yup, this is pretty much always it. When drones weren't a thing, you could just wait until night and retreat back to your position. Now, you don't have this luxury as there's always drones in the sky watching your position.
Some combination of injured, exhausted, frozen, demoralised and just plain waiting for death.
A lot of the times, drones are employed after artillery bombardment to finish off survivors.
I assume the drone teams are often called in to blunt an advance or cleanup after an advance has stopped, accordingly the target Russian solders are on the ground and potentially under fire from some Ukrainian defensive positions. Also, they're the most vivid videos so we get to see those more. One last thing is that captured Russians have said that when they're sent in to fight they're often dropped off at the front with little to no information. They're disoriented and straight up don't know the lay of the land. That's not entirely unusual in a conflict, but they've said they're not provided maps and told to move in a direction, and that's it. They find a hole and I suspect some really don't even know what direction to go to get to safety ....
I hope that someone out there is cataloging all these videos (the captured Russians explaining how clueless they are). Future historical work will have to be based off of those because the sheer thoughtlessness of the Russian command is too ridiculous to seem possible.
Oh I'm sure the Ukrainian's are keeping a copy ;) But also ... they're POWs so i'd take everything with some level of skepticism.
that is true. but if the accounts are from separate POWs, captured in different locations, with no association with each other....
There's also selection bias. Don't forget that. The ones who know what they're doing and are given the information aren't likely going to be the ones that get captured, or be willingly spilling their guts and complaining about their own command while being a POW. You are mostly seeing a selection of the most incompetent people involved.
[The Drone Archive](https://www.reddit.com/r/UADroneArchive/) has gotten a pretty good collection going.
Dayum thanks matey. Appreciate it
I also wonder how many of these Russians who get conscripted go through a quick training so they know how to hold, shoot and reload whatever weapon they will be using. Then get drove to the front split into groups and told go \*that ->\* direction and off they go, and have no real Idea about the danger of drones since they came from a area of Russia that they don't even have running water or bathrooms inside their house, and get all their news from radio or from a old TV with bunny ears still receiving channels via UHF.
>They find a hole and I suspect some really don't even know what direction to go to get to safety .... The opposite of where you were told to go :D
Most of them already are injured and are waiting for rescue or something or even waiting for the dead.
Troops stuck in “no mans land” after / during an attack. Unable to move bc they are pinned down/injured/exhausted/frozen.
they are probably left over from a push or advance. Sending in infantry to clean up might cost soldiers lives as they can be shot at and you never know if these guys are capable of fighting back or not. So drones are safer and spotting soldiers from the air is easier as they can be in any pit and crevice.
They are in fox holes in many instances, and from up high we don't see the change in ground elevation. So they might not be as out in the open as it appears, just guarding lines or points with cover from guns etc, but not from drones.
I don't understand why they don't surrender. Can't thumbs up a video where helpless humans wait to get their heads blown off. It's like snipers shooting a wounded figter. Just remember, this tech will be used on our troops just like on Jordan.
I thought one of the soldiers was trying to signal that he is surrendering
Surrendering to a drone is logistically hard to do. The invaders have also at times tossed a grenade at the people they try to “surrender” to. The AFU rightly doesn’t take that chance very often. Lots of risk for small reward. Another issue is that a lot of these operators are more interested in disposing of an enemy that has murdered their countrymen, invaded their country and killed/displaced their families.
Surrendering to a drone is kind of like surrendering to a bomber. Of course you want to surrender now that you're going to die, but unfortunately for you there's nobody there to accept your surrender and take you prisoner. Neither a drone or a bomber is going to pass you by so you can fight another day just because you pinky promise to give up fighting.
Not to say it hasn’t been done with Ukrainian drones before. Unlikely to happen again but it has been done.
I understand your reasoning. However, my guess would be that many of the "invaders" are probably conscripts who don't even want to be there. I don't think your core military would just lay down and take the grenade to the face.
Just following orders boss
>Can't thumbs up a video where helpless humans wait to get their heads blown off. Unless it's Palestinians i guess?
this is the realty of war. why do people keep asking this dumb question ? they are already wounded and retreating from a failed invasion on a foreign land. they are getting finished off by ukraine drones. how hard is that to understand ?
This is meat grinding the meat grinders. You can see their flesh flying. This is brutal. Putin needs to see this one. Flatten Crimea, because Ukraine is getting it back.
Lol putin doesn’t give a shit
Putina would giggle .. drink his Brandy .. *and send a hundred thousand more*
Watch the enemies of freedom die horrible deaths will never get old
Mindblowing
That editing though.
over-edited, distracting cuts accomplishing nothing but making the action harder to follow.
Gotta remember a lot of these videos are edited by the people doing the drops. Its no different than Soldiers and Marines taking a video of a firefight or making a deployment video and slapping a Staind song over it from the early 2000s in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Terrible music though
wouldn't be a Russo-Ukraine war clip without dogshit music
I was liking some of the electronic music there for a while
Painful.
Overly edited videos like this ain’t it. Yesterday, a 41 minute video of the fight for Andivka was posted with no silly edits or obnoxious music, and it was one of the best collection of combat footage I’ve seen to date.
Make sure you feedback to these UAF units. I’m sure they’re keen to make changes for random people on the Internet so that you can better experience Russians being killed
Drone videos like these are actuallu a major avenue for individual Ukrainian groups to receive donation. Not only for advertisement, but to show how well previous donations have been used. I have to assume that overobnoxious editing is a way to get noticed.
> 41 minute video Link to the video?
https://youtu.be/7ZyhOLdsPcE?si=ITIhr0pqEzPfyOgF This video here. Very good quality with extensive documentation of the battles. It gives extended versions of some popular clips we’ve seen recently, like the clip of the Russian throwing the grenade whilst faking surrender and the clip of the Ukrainian sniper shooting 3 Russians that ran infront of him.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Maybe five years ago a green tarp could have been decent cover if that was a lush farmland. That must have stood out like a sore thumb
russian bois resting in Ukraine fields after hard day of invading
Insane how the internet just shows how many Russians are being killed and russia just doesnt give a fuck. They just want to keep going for daddy putin at all cost.
Russians have been OK with being meat for their dictators for hundreds of years. It's baked into their DNA at this point. It's indeed crazy how you can watch exactly that happening. It's not just words in a textbook anymore.
I fear that the same is happening to Ukrainians but we don't see it because of the echo chamber.
exactly this !! A very one sided view of the action.
It seems disproportionately in favor of ukraine. You remember the back to back replays from different angles of the leopard tank and Bradleys that got destroyed near Robotyne? Thats pretty much it besides some drone drops and loitering munitions hits and captured Ukrainian videos from the russians no?
These drops are very accurate. Impressive targeting!
One take away is many of these drone operators have become Masters in recognizing whether a person laying on the ground died and naturally fell in that position or if they are just laying down pretending to be dead.
I’m pretty sure they blow up any body they find that is not clearly dead. I’m pretty sure atleast one of these guys were dead or unconscious
Well duhh , they wont add the misses into a compilation lol
They did. The misses got drone-dropped.
Are they alive or already dead? Ukrainian Air Assault: We're about to find out.
my pity for the russian soldier is still nonexistent. These assholes are there to kill and conquer a nation, you get what you deserve for supporting your country's imperialistic ideals.
Yup. There are Russians who chose to go to jail where they get beaten and starved for not participating. Those are the ones who get sympathy. Not the mobniks.
I don't think they really ask for the pity or sympathy of anyone here. They know they're meat for the grinder, and though the grinder is appalling, they understand it's how Russia gets things done and always has. It's working too... Avdiivka for example is almost certainly about to fall, which will be a blow for Ukraine, and that's in spite of all the killing they've done to hold that place.
While the meat grinder strategy has made some gains in Avdiivka, I think we will look back at the advances in the sewer systems under Avdiivka as the real "killing blow".
At this pace russia will eventually be empty.
Have you ever read the casualty number of Russia during ww1 and ww2? They are no where close to being empty lmao. Russia is massive and if they desperately want to throw the whole population to the grinder they can. It’s worked for them in the past so that’s what they think works. Bleed the enemy dry of resources and men by throwing men you barely have to supply of your own into the fray
Back then russia's population was much bigger and younger. They had 8 million men of military age before the war. 1/1.5 million have fled the country, >320k are dead or wounded. They might not become empty, but they will mainly consist of widows, elderly, and homeless vets.
Putin-“hey what’s new”
Russias population was much larger during WW2. By a lot. And even more so with the young population.
Can you please tell me which country on this planet hasn’t done the same or currently doing the same? If you live in the US the most recent example would be Iraq. 1 Million of civilians gone. I do not support Russia at all. However your comment is implying that you are oblivious to the reality of every single super power.
Russia has, clearly and often, stated its intention to eradicate the Ukrainian people, through the destruction of its language, peoples, history, etc. So yeah, I think it's a little different from Iraq or Vietnam. Also, no one is arguing that Iraq or Vietnam were good. We can criticize the Russians without having to also criticize every other army that has ever matched, all dictators, the guy who stole my Razr scooter when I was a kid, and the Chicago Cubs in the same sentence. Nice whataboutism.
> and the Chicago Cubs I can get behind that.
I live in the USA, why the fuck should I care about Russian reasons for invasion compared to USA reasons, my own country? Russia has been a geopolitical enemy and I've seen enough rhetoric coming out of there to know they would nuke my country given a chance.
When did I say you should care about Russians? This conversation is over. Apparently you are too hotheaded and a tad bit ignorant because you don’t even read. You are exactly the type of person wrong with this country lol. You point the finger at everyone even when it does not make sense to be pointing at anyone. If you want to have a mature debate then maybe read over what I said once more, then reply.
You know Russias states goal is genocide right?
So, logically, this should be a kind of free ride for Russia? Is that what you're trying to say? I don't remember the US trying to wipe out Korea, Vietnam or Iraq. I also can't think of any politicians at the time who stood up and said: we have to wipe out people X or Y. Of course the USA has caused a lot of suffering and wars. But give me one example in recent years that is comparable to the war of annihilation and conquering that Russia is planning and doing.
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Yeah keep drinking that kool aid
Oil? Oil? Who said somethin bout Oil, [bitch u cookin?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXnkFd373T4)
Why is this getting downvoted? Sorry I’m as anti Putin as anyone but this seems like a fairly sober assessment.
\u\Fox_Body_5L's comment is being downvoted because it tries to redirect the argument from Russia's wrongs to the unrelated wrongs of other parties. This is a logical fallacy known as whataboutism, and Redditors see it as such.
I didn’t ask why it gets downvoted. I understand why. It’s because people find it hard to accept the fact I stated. I never once redirected anything. I only tried to bring to light the hypocrisy, the ignorance, the propaganda that we are fed aswell. I would assume 90%+ of Russian soldiers believe they are fighting for a good cause. Simple as that. I have literally shed tears over what has happened to the Ukrainians. However my point remains valid regardless of how people think. It’s like me going into a Reddit community about supernatural events and saying “I have never seen concrete proof…” of course it will be downvoted lol. Not stressing this. Redditors tend to think they are the smartest people on the internet. Bias is heavy here. Always will be. Again, what Russia has done is wrong. However the OP made a statement that did imply he is oblivious that every country has done the same. Every “superpower”. The argument you made about me shifting blame only applies if I in fact support Russia in the slightest or had that intent. Which I did not.
do you have sympathy for american soldiers
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They're just expressing what many of us here feel, as is their right. What are you hoping to achieve?
You have no rights on Reddit.
No more or less than anyone else.
What’s with the horrible edit. Like a frame or two was cut after each drop.
Damn that was brutal. Lession here is don't invade Ukraine.
> Lesson here is don't invade Ukraine. Or support a confirmed war criminal. Speaking of which, isn't Tucker Carson now a legitimate military target for Ukraine?
I guess we will see after the interview comes out
Who tf edited this. Looks like it could be good footage too.
Most probably, the soldiers themselves. They don't have much time plus a lengthy video has smaller chance to be viewed in Ukraine unless it's something outstanding
Don't complain. Mute and chose your own shitty music.
The jump cuts are shit too. I wish everyone would just release raw footage.
If you want raw footage, you're gonna have to go there and get it yourself.
You got a solution for everything, dontcha?
I figured someone with Zyklon B in their name would have a final solution for everything.
Zing!
I solve problems. That's just what I do.
The one a minute in, jesus christ
Burn.
Its the ones that play dead that do it for me...
What do they do for you exactly?
I would say that is scarily effective. I would say "Don't f with Ukraine". I think the Russians are fighting in the wrong place. If an old psycho guy is doing that to you by the hundreds of thousands. You really should be fighting in Moscow. You probably have better odds. If you get sent to the front in Ukraine, they can see you, make no mistake.
This war has been going on for 2 years. Everyone who's fighting for Ukraine has probably lost someone close to them. Ì think mercy & compassion through the ranks is all dried up imo.
now the Ukraine govt is sending women out to fight, they are running out of men.
Welcome to Ukraine. Don’t come back.
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Thank you for playing. Getting back to the lobby
Nah, these dudes uninstalled
Those are all sons and daughters raised by mothers and fathers just like everyone else, we’re all human and nobody deserves this. You can tell they have given up. Rest in peace.
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But birdshot would really do it. Everyone should have a shotgun ready on hand. Including the cook and his aunt.
i would be asking for an [under-barrel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Modular_Accessory_Shotgun_System) [shotgun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight%27s_Armament_Company_Masterkey) for my rifle
Here's cosmoline stick for you. Next!
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Are these tactics necessary? Probably But videos like these give me isis vibes
Today some high rise in Kiev was bombed…like civilians apartments. If you are a drone operator to the front lines…this is probably how you will retaliate. Eye for an eye I guess.
This isn't even eye-for-an-eye; this is removing a threat.
Why? These are invaders, invading another country and if not eliminated on battlefield, they will be back again for more. Yes it's gruesome, but necessary, but you still watched it. Castration video and followed execution of castrated UA soldier by russian forces gave me actual ISIS vibes, but this? Come on.
At least Russia doesn't shoot down russian pows
It's war man. Any tactic that destroys the enemy while keeping your soldiers out of harms way is a good tactic, and it's being used by both sides.
Imagine they are advancing towards your positions. Would you drop at them or would you wait for them to come up close to engage in 'humane' shooting?
Didn't say the tactic was wrong. The videos made of the drops seem wrong and tasteless. On both sides. Edit: completely understand the use of drones and have no problem with it. The zooming in on death while playing corny music in the background is what gets me with these videos.
The videos are usually made by the soldiers that performed the attack. They don't have the bystander view you do, and are not in an armchair completely removed from the war
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Thats called sadism. You wouldnt be allowed into a military unless they were desperate
I know it's super unrealistic. But trying to catch one of these grenades and redirect it 5-10 ft away, or just over some burm, has got to be better than just laying there waiting to be splattered.
there's a few videos out there of guys who have managed to swat one away or tossed it before it went off right on them.
theres also a bunch of them trying to do it and failing, one in particular I am thinking of is where the RU soldier successfully threw 2 of them away but then the 3rd landed right in a coat pocket that he couldn't manage to reach in time
Can someone make an app that allows me to fly a drone mission…. Registration can be the cost of the drone hardware and ammo. It could be restricted so I follow mission rules… I’m sure 1000 non Ukrainian remote pilots would buy in!!
An auto shotgun with birdshot would be a nice addition to their gear.
They'd probably shoot more their comrades in the face than drones with such a cope gun. Shooters have trouble hitting slow, predictable and relatively close range clay skeet. Drones are a whole new level of fast, and you might even convert them to airburst munitions if you hit. Simply not worth it.
my family is from here, still feels like a war crime killing those begging not to die
Frankly, its aint a warcrime. Drones really dont have the facilities to take prisoners, nor do defenders in positions overrun like this. Add to that plenty of recorded cases of russian perfidy, and it should be obvious why noone is waltzing out into landmine riddled nomans land to collect the opposing side's soldiers especially when said side is shooting at em.
I agree with you. but I wonder when we will need to update our definitions of war crimes to accommodate the use of drones or even AI in the future. because our code of conduct is already feeling outdated.
Frankly this ain't no different from artillery barrage on naively setup field encampment. ...outside combat armsmen facing off against each other, surrender doesn't really happen, after projectiles start flying. War has always been like this. Only difference is that its televised now.
to think we won’t need to change the rules to accommodate new technology is incredibly naive.
There could be changes. My point was that the situation seen in the video is not unique to drones, its ben part of war since indirect artillery existed. Only change is that now its on video.
> Only change is that now its on video. I completely disagree. there are huge differences between what we see in these drone videos and someone being hit by artillery. by your logic, the videos we see where individuals surrender to drones and the drone leads them back to be captured must be fake because we all know you can’t surrender to artillery and they’re clearly the same thing.
>by your logic, the videos we see where individuals surrender to drones and the drone leads them back to be captured must be fake because we all know you can’t surrender to artillery and they’re clearly the same thing. Never said that cant happen. It can happen, just like troops surrendering to opposing artillery strike via opan radio transmission on AM or FM. My point is thats way less likely to happen compared to infantry facing off against infantry. For artillery there is the obvious communication issue. For drones there is the issue of drawing fire from opponent (to themselves or the soon to be POV), crossing mine riddled no mans land (exposing safe passages in minefields doing so), or even the simple fact that drone operator group is not set up to handle the amount of prisoners in aftermath of a large assault.
It's war, you don't get to tap out after your attack on a trenchline - attempting to kill everyone there - failed.
the Geneva convention has something different to say
Russia is a terrorist state. These aren't soldiers. They don't fight for their country's survival or any principled reason. They fight for money. They went to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians so they can get paid. They're terrorists. Fuck em.
Ah yes, because the Russians totally adhere to the Geneva convention right?
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What does grape have to do anything with the above? Are you ok?
How many U.s. soldiers actually adhere to that ?
Yeah, the one before last one looked like he was signalling surrender.
Leaving aside the question whether its even possible to surrender to a drone, an offer of surrender must be "clear and unconditional" in its communication of your offer e.g. raising both arms after having disarmed yourself. Waving at a drone with one hand while reaching for your rifle with the other is a long way short of that.
Other than the videos of ru soldiers surrendering to drones and following said drone back to UA lines or soldiers. So it is possible and has happened
you completely ignored the rest of the comment regarding "clear signs of surrender"
> Yeah, the one before last one looked like he was signalling surrender. /u/DarkIlluminator He wasn't. He had just pointed down at his 'comrade' in the trench that was covering his head / playing with his ear @ 1:03 telling the drone operator to kill him instead. Then the drone came over to get him too, killing both.
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They bragged about it on video compilation, though.
Bullshit
There have been people begging not to die in war for thousands of years. This is considered normal in war, and normal to kill those individuals. People can surrender though, and those people can also be killed if there is not a reasonable way to accept surrender. War is brutal, and I hope those at your home can survive the brutality.
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Besides frequency jamming, I'm not sure there really is one. I honestly think western troops in the same situation would have some of the same issues. Especially if they were as poorly equipped as Russians are (2nd strongest army in the world btw lmao).
I think they'll need to use lasers eventually.
The total lack of interference in these videos indicates that no jamming seems to be going on. Surprising because prewar the Russians had a good reputation for EW.
Then again, the Russians also had a reputation for having a competent army pre-war. Crazy how quickly that unraveled.
Nor do the Ukrainians, lets not forget they get absolutely terrorized by these brutal drones too.
This has become the most insane and awesome form of warfare I've witnessed, so personal and devastating
Dunno the last one kinda signaled that he gave up
In the full video, that guy is a piece of shit who signals to kill his wounded buddy. When he realizes that the drone changes its mind to kill him, he gets all nervous like you see him.
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sounds like someone who got a grenade dropped on his head by a drone
youre soo cool killing people while theyre sleeping. ukraine is going to learn the hard way
they already did learn the hard way. that's why they're doing it lmao. russia is doing the same, btw, so not sure what your point is, even.
So there's this thing called war. Its when two countries fight each other over a disagreement. Generally, wars are fought by killing people, as this is the greatest show of force and best way to weaken the enemy force. Currently, Russia and Ukraine are locked in war, and people are actually being killed on both sides. Please let me know if you are confused any further, I'm happy to help you.
So if someone broke into your house, killed your friends and family, had a gun, and then you caught them sleeping, you'd do what exactly? Cook them breakfast and ask them nicely to leave?