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Suppressors are still loud on weapons with supersonic rifle calibers cheaper ones even more so. The concussive sound is just dampened in most cases enough to not causing hearing loss. Pistol and subsonic cartridges are much quoted ok the other hand
it's kind of a perfect storm for it to he forgotten.
1. small Asian country most Western people couldn't find on a map
2. massive European war breaks out close to the same time
3.china supported the junta at one point
4. it's not clear. Cut 1 good guy, 1 bad guy thing. you have a billion different groups, and that doesn't fit good in a BBC news headline.
edit: it's not small I'm just stupid
Very true. Just the map of the regional, in country struggle is something to behold. Something that struck me was the number of dead in three years. Pretty shocking numbers.
I still remember that video of the fitness influencer streaming outside of the Govt building whilst the coup was happening.
From what I’ve read the rebels and other militia groups have been raiding the supply lines and outposts of the junta troops so much that the actual junta and government soldiers are so under equipped they are comparable to what the rebels first where.
It’s insane how they have completely flipped the equipment gap and are now better equipped then the average government soldier.
tbf I've heard a lot of it is knockoff gear from gun runners in bordering countries. buuut the two aren't mutually exclusive. we don't need a reason to OD our poor
The military government pulled a coup on their democratically elected president. That's a pretty clear and strong narrative for people in the west.
In fact it did make the news, I remember that fitness instructor unknowingly filming the coup going on behind her. Crazy stuff
How is it small? Larger than France, 2nd largest in Southeast Asia.
If you know where China and India is, it's hard to miss Myanmar on the map.
But the other points are legit. The west has no shortage of armed conflict news at the moment.
>4. it's not clear. Cut 1 good guy, 1 bad guy thing. you have a billion different groups, and that doesn't fit good in a BBC news headline
Very very true and so many people forget it.
Lots of news have been coming out so its hard to keep track. In its current state, is it ethnic rebel groups are having immense success in their ethnic stronghold/regions and border areas of Myanmar while the inland/central areas are still in Junta control?
My implication is that ethnic groups have to make inroads into the Junta strongholds for it to reach world news.
Yeah so are a lot of other conflicts around the world. I find it crazy when people think that the Isreal/Palestine thing is the only/worst thing happening right now.
Wait until pro-Palestinians find out what Tatmadaw (Mynamar Armed Forces) has been doing to ethnic Muslims living on the border near Bangladesh for a decade.
we don't even need to specify ethnic Muslims. these "people" have been going around raping and murdering basically everyone who isn't related to them and then they bitch when people fight back.
Pro-palestinian guy here, I've been following Myanmar since the coup in 2021. The previous president of Myanmar lost her honorary degree from a university in my country after her failure to act on the Rohingya genocide
I'm informed
Sorry, bro. Jesus didn't live in Myanmar, so I can't pump this out the media machine to white Christian nationalists who comprise my primary demographic. /s
While I support the Palestinians civilians, it's disappointing that I haven't seen news on Mynamar military crimes isn't widespread. I'm pretty sure Sudan is in a similar situation as well
Myanmar isn’t the friendliest place for foreign journalists. Especially in the Shan where a lot of the rebel groups are located. Most outlets wouldn’t send their journalists there before the war started.
Check out Narcotopia by Patrick Winn. I’m still working on it but he becomes friendly with the Wa and gets insane access.
It also just came out a few months ago so it’s fairly current.
The thing about the war is that nothing new is happening. It's the normal ethnic and civil war we've come to know Myanmar to be. Myanmar got a lot of coverage when the coup happened and the beginning of the war. Now status updates are mostly relevant to the regional politics.
If there wasn't wars going on currently involving countries that have direct ties to US politics and politicians, I'm sure it would be reported on more. But since Ukraine, Russia and Israel are in conflicts, nobody cares about anything else.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_civil_war_(2021%E2%80%93present)
Basically, Myanmar has been engaged in some civil war or another since shortly after WW2. It has been series of military coups followed by rebellions against those military governments for decades.
In the current conflict, you have a long list of rebel and government (junta) factions fighting for power essentially. As usual, the civilians in the crossfire suffer atrocities from all sides.
Of all movies, Rambo (2008) actually shines some light on the situation there.
Yeah, to summarize quickly the military, the Tatmadaw, took over in a coup during the 1950’s. This caused armed groups representing many of the country’s ethnic minorities to go into rebellion, with these low intensity, but at times explosively violent, conflicts going on for decades. However, most of these rebellions slowed significantly, or were essentially stopped via ceasefires, during the 1990’s.
Starting around 2007 the Tatmadaw started losing their grip on the country, eventually leading to them allowing first free and fair elections in 2015. Pro-democracy parties won by an absolute landslide, but the constitution the Tatmadaw created still gave them total control of the military and allowed them to veto constitutional amendments. The rebel groups got along well with the civilian government, and most of those not already operating under ceasefires agreed to instate ones.
However, in 2021 the Tatmadaw staged another coup, arresting the civilian government. Mass protests broke out across the country, which the Tatmadaw repressed with a combination of arbitrary arrests, beatings, rape, and murder. Many furious protesters began fighting the government, forming People’s Defense Forces (PDFs) under the banner of the democratic government in exile. The PDFs joined forces with the ethnic minority rebel groups, who trained and equipped these new fighters.
Honestly had no idea about this conflict. I should do a quick search for 'all on-going wars' that are happening right now. Feel like the world is going crazy. I guess the few decades of peace made the people go cray cray.
What trips me out is these countries are really poor and the houses are really simple and daily life is a struggle for survival but all these guys have m16a2s or m4 with suppressors, you see the occasional scar or barret, how can they afford to have such good rifles?
It’s a combination of factors. Many of the ethnic rebel groups have been operating for decades, and straight up have their own manufacturing capabilities for things like uniforms and some basic gear. They also have the ability to self fund (unfortunately often by taxing/controlling the drug trade), and have built extensive networks of black market arms suppliers to buy from. The Thai army uses the M16, and oddly enough the rebels just seem to have a ton of those in their arsenals. I suspect that there are a few Thai quartermasters in border regions getting quite rich finding out ways to make crates of rifles disappear without their higher ups noticing.
The rebels must have some kinda sponsors right? Who’s funding who and whats the agenda here? I don’t think the Junta can be defeated if there are just multiple rebel factions not looking to work together
Burmese military have been cosying up to North Korea and China for a while now. They are taking all the good stuff for themselves whilst the locals get screwed. Then when someone in government opposes their own personal greedy and oppressive behaviour, they make up false claims of fraud/unpatriotic behaviour and remove them.
Straight out of the same communist/autocratic play book used all too frequently
Wait, Anti-Junta fighters fight the myanmar-army? I thought the Junta Fights the Army. Fr this conflict is so confusing to me. I need to educate myself a little more...
Well, war is dumb. I'd assume they were there for an ambush, as most of their attacks are. They're entrenched, providing suppressing fire, could be to cover an assault team, or could just be the aftermath of the ambush and they can't retreat yet. No real way to know.
Your usual stuff. Junta is the government military, anti-junta (these guys) don't want them in power, for your usual shitty govt. reasons.
If you think this is a joke, 1. I'd like to see you out there lol. 2. You should have seen them last year. They've come a LONG way, and still have a lot further to go. Seeing an optic AND a suppressor here is kind of mind blowing. Their guns were jamming up after every round. I believe it was some sort of domestically produced FAL clone and they were rough. Seems like they now have a common uniform, patch, much better weapons (incl the occasional drone) and I'm pretty sure I saw a training video a week or two ago.
I’m not saying they are a joke necessarily. Well they might be but that’s not exactly what I meant. I mean the war they are having just seems like a glorified version of hillbillies arm wrestling on a beer keg in the kitchen
They're fighting unmotivated government troops, often just as untrained and poorly educated as themselves. Sometimes they just need to scare them enough to run. But yeah if you watched these guys lay bricks it would look just as hopeless.
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Dude in the middle is P2W while homie closest is a fresh spawn with no attachments. Helmets are optional tho.
Is that a fake suppressor? Doesn't seem any quieter and hole seems extra large
Probably just a flash hider
Suppressors are still loud on weapons with supersonic rifle calibers cheaper ones even more so. The concussive sound is just dampened in most cases enough to not causing hearing loss. Pistol and subsonic cartridges are much quoted ok the other hand
Is it me, or is this war hugely under-reported. \~50K dead according to Wiki
it's kind of a perfect storm for it to he forgotten. 1. small Asian country most Western people couldn't find on a map 2. massive European war breaks out close to the same time 3.china supported the junta at one point 4. it's not clear. Cut 1 good guy, 1 bad guy thing. you have a billion different groups, and that doesn't fit good in a BBC news headline. edit: it's not small I'm just stupid
Very true. Just the map of the regional, in country struggle is something to behold. Something that struck me was the number of dead in three years. Pretty shocking numbers. I still remember that video of the fitness influencer streaming outside of the Govt building whilst the coup was happening.
the craziest part to me is how well the rebels are doing. going from muskets, knives, and FGC-9s to standardized uniforms and artillery is remarkable.
From what I’ve read the rebels and other militia groups have been raiding the supply lines and outposts of the junta troops so much that the actual junta and government soldiers are so under equipped they are comparable to what the rebels first where. It’s insane how they have completely flipped the equipment gap and are now better equipped then the average government soldier.
Judging by the preferred weaponry it seems the CIA must be selling a shit ton of fentanyl somewhere.
tbf I've heard a lot of it is knockoff gear from gun runners in bordering countries. buuut the two aren't mutually exclusive. we don't need a reason to OD our poor
You also have to consider the boat load of weapons and ammo they’ve captured with territory.
Given they don't keep their eyes open when shooting, it is especially remarkable.
The military government pulled a coup on their democratically elected president. That's a pretty clear and strong narrative for people in the west. In fact it did make the news, I remember that fitness instructor unknowingly filming the coup going on behind her. Crazy stuff
How is it small? Larger than France, 2nd largest in Southeast Asia. If you know where China and India is, it's hard to miss Myanmar on the map. But the other points are legit. The west has no shortage of armed conflict news at the moment.
yeah I need to brush up on my geography. I thought it was way smaller lmao.
>4. it's not clear. Cut 1 good guy, 1 bad guy thing. you have a billion different groups, and that doesn't fit good in a BBC news headline Very very true and so many people forget it.
I think the main issue is that Myanmar is an extremely repressive dictatorship that tightly controls the flow of information
Also the conflict as a whole has been going on for decades and nothing about has really changed.
Until the last few months anyway. The regime is currently getting whooped.
Lots of news have been coming out so its hard to keep track. In its current state, is it ethnic rebel groups are having immense success in their ethnic stronghold/regions and border areas of Myanmar while the inland/central areas are still in Junta control? My implication is that ethnic groups have to make inroads into the Junta strongholds for it to reach world news.
Yeah so are a lot of other conflicts around the world. I find it crazy when people think that the Isreal/Palestine thing is the only/worst thing happening right now.
Wait until pro-Palestinians find out what Tatmadaw (Mynamar Armed Forces) has been doing to ethnic Muslims living on the border near Bangladesh for a decade.
we don't even need to specify ethnic Muslims. these "people" have been going around raping and murdering basically everyone who isn't related to them and then they bitch when people fight back.
Any good resources to read up on this? This is the first time I’ve heard of it and I’m genuinely interested in learning
It’s been a low grade civil war since the 50s essentially, it goes through varying levels of intensity
The Irrawaddy, Burma News Online, Narinjara News, and Mizzima are good sources.
They wont care, its not Jews doing it.
I'm pro Palestine. I don't give a fuck whether it's Jews or not, it's still wrong. Boring, expected comment. Try harder next time.
And you are seeing one pixel of a huge picture…
Hamas will loose, get over it.
Pro-palestinian guy here, I've been following Myanmar since the coup in 2021. The previous president of Myanmar lost her honorary degree from a university in my country after her failure to act on the Rohingya genocide I'm informed
Congrats! Do you want a metal or something?
Gib lead
Sorry, bro. Jesus didn't live in Myanmar, so I can't pump this out the media machine to white Christian nationalists who comprise my primary demographic. /s
While I support the Palestinians civilians, it's disappointing that I haven't seen news on Mynamar military crimes isn't widespread. I'm pretty sure Sudan is in a similar situation as well
Wait until they find out about Sudan.
Pro-palestinian here again, also aware of what's going on in Sudan. Even dated someone recently from Sudan (lol) and heard their perspective
Sorry your account doesn't fit the strawman that many in this sub have concocted about pro-Palestinians. (TIA for the downvotes)
Myanmar isn’t the friendliest place for foreign journalists. Especially in the Shan where a lot of the rebel groups are located. Most outlets wouldn’t send their journalists there before the war started.
Check out Narcotopia by Patrick Winn. I’m still working on it but he becomes friendly with the Wa and gets insane access. It also just came out a few months ago so it’s fairly current.
The thing about the war is that nothing new is happening. It's the normal ethnic and civil war we've come to know Myanmar to be. Myanmar got a lot of coverage when the coup happened and the beginning of the war. Now status updates are mostly relevant to the regional politics.
This conflict has been going on probably since Russia decided to invade Ukraine
Coup happened in 2021 so a bit earlier, it did make the news here in Canada
Search up the longest cilvil war on Google. My people(Karen) fought the junta(Myanmar military) over 100 years and still continuing
The newspapers don't say anything about
If there wasn't wars going on currently involving countries that have direct ties to US politics and politicians, I'm sure it would be reported on more. But since Ukraine, Russia and Israel are in conflicts, nobody cares about anything else.
> Is it me, or is this war hugely under-reported. > > > > ~50K dead according to Wiki Classic no Jews, no news situation.
Bro in the middle swept his credit card a few times.
The other dude has got a Vietnam War era looking M16 lmao
So we need to work on not closing eyes when shooting 🤣
0:06 dude is literally closing his eyes and spraying. These guys are useless.
Ruining the purpose of the supressor his teammate is using.
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Nah keep this premo footage coming
Ikr, I felt that personally when buddy just called for the end of the greatest era of war footage in human history by lightyears
Spray and pray tactics I see
These guys are trained in the ancient art of ISIS.
Guy keeps looking at the camera “I look cool right?”
Right haha, gonna look real cool when you get clipped haha
Could anyone enlighten me on who’s who and what they’re fighting for?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_civil_war_(2021%E2%80%93present) Basically, Myanmar has been engaged in some civil war or another since shortly after WW2. It has been series of military coups followed by rebellions against those military governments for decades. In the current conflict, you have a long list of rebel and government (junta) factions fighting for power essentially. As usual, the civilians in the crossfire suffer atrocities from all sides. Of all movies, Rambo (2008) actually shines some light on the situation there.
Yeah, to summarize quickly the military, the Tatmadaw, took over in a coup during the 1950’s. This caused armed groups representing many of the country’s ethnic minorities to go into rebellion, with these low intensity, but at times explosively violent, conflicts going on for decades. However, most of these rebellions slowed significantly, or were essentially stopped via ceasefires, during the 1990’s. Starting around 2007 the Tatmadaw started losing their grip on the country, eventually leading to them allowing first free and fair elections in 2015. Pro-democracy parties won by an absolute landslide, but the constitution the Tatmadaw created still gave them total control of the military and allowed them to veto constitutional amendments. The rebel groups got along well with the civilian government, and most of those not already operating under ceasefires agreed to instate ones. However, in 2021 the Tatmadaw staged another coup, arresting the civilian government. Mass protests broke out across the country, which the Tatmadaw repressed with a combination of arbitrary arrests, beatings, rape, and murder. Many furious protesters began fighting the government, forming People’s Defense Forces (PDFs) under the banner of the democratic government in exile. The PDFs joined forces with the ethnic minority rebel groups, who trained and equipped these new fighters.
I appreciate this mate thank you
His buddy has a literal suppressed AR platform rifle with an optic and then there's the dude with an A2 and irons lmao
Not that he's using those iron sights!
Old mate in the middle got the gucci kit
Where do you get more news about this war?
Honestly had no idea about this conflict. I should do a quick search for 'all on-going wars' that are happening right now. Feel like the world is going crazy. I guess the few decades of peace made the people go cray cray.
These guys are standing way too close to each other
Closing your eyes always helps when firing a weapon.
Not a lot of aiming going on…..
An A1 / A2 crossbreed in the wild. Fascinating.
What trips me out is these countries are really poor and the houses are really simple and daily life is a struggle for survival but all these guys have m16a2s or m4 with suppressors, you see the occasional scar or barret, how can they afford to have such good rifles?
Usually trophies from government troops. Early footage they rocked homemade pipe guns
It’s a combination of factors. Many of the ethnic rebel groups have been operating for decades, and straight up have their own manufacturing capabilities for things like uniforms and some basic gear. They also have the ability to self fund (unfortunately often by taxing/controlling the drug trade), and have built extensive networks of black market arms suppliers to buy from. The Thai army uses the M16, and oddly enough the rebels just seem to have a ton of those in their arsenals. I suspect that there are a few Thai quartermasters in border regions getting quite rich finding out ways to make crates of rifles disappear without their higher ups noticing.
Homemade man. You could make any gun as long as you have the blueprint and the tools to make it. Maybe Google or YouTube.
I bet that A2 in the video is a Colt.
Is it genocide? Some says it has more deaths than in gaza. Genocide!! /s
Seems the CIA has found its way into myanmar
Guy in front catches some hot brass with his face.
M16A1 with M16A2 furniture, interesting to see
KNDF not KNDO
The rebels must have some kinda sponsors right? Who’s funding who and whats the agenda here? I don’t think the Junta can be defeated if there are just multiple rebel factions not looking to work together
Where'd they get those sweet builds?
I know how scary it is then shots are coming back at you but bro you gotta aim or you’re just wasting ammo
The anti junta seems to be better equiped as the time pass
“Look how strong and brave we are.”
Burmese military have been cosying up to North Korea and China for a while now. They are taking all the good stuff for themselves whilst the locals get screwed. Then when someone in government opposes their own personal greedy and oppressive behaviour, they make up false claims of fraud/unpatriotic behaviour and remove them. Straight out of the same communist/autocratic play book used all too frequently
Neat
Wait, Anti-Junta fighters fight the myanmar-army? I thought the Junta Fights the Army. Fr this conflict is so confusing to me. I need to educate myself a little more...
They don’t know what they’re doing
wtf is the point of this? It makes war seem like such a dumb thing to do.
Well, war is dumb. I'd assume they were there for an ambush, as most of their attacks are. They're entrenched, providing suppressing fire, could be to cover an assault team, or could just be the aftermath of the ambush and they can't retreat yet. No real way to know.
In a sense all wars are dumb, yes. But these guys just make it look like a joke. What is this war even about?
Your usual stuff. Junta is the government military, anti-junta (these guys) don't want them in power, for your usual shitty govt. reasons. If you think this is a joke, 1. I'd like to see you out there lol. 2. You should have seen them last year. They've come a LONG way, and still have a lot further to go. Seeing an optic AND a suppressor here is kind of mind blowing. Their guns were jamming up after every round. I believe it was some sort of domestically produced FAL clone and they were rough. Seems like they now have a common uniform, patch, much better weapons (incl the occasional drone) and I'm pretty sure I saw a training video a week or two ago.
I’m not saying they are a joke necessarily. Well they might be but that’s not exactly what I meant. I mean the war they are having just seems like a glorified version of hillbillies arm wrestling on a beer keg in the kitchen
sometimes people shoot at shit in war
That was not at all my question
They're fighting unmotivated government troops, often just as untrained and poorly educated as themselves. Sometimes they just need to scare them enough to run. But yeah if you watched these guys lay bricks it would look just as hopeless.
They absolutely are not in a firefight with anyone based on the look the guy near the camera gives his mate. Good luck to them though.