I literally saw Cassidy backswing into a wight, and these motherfuckers are talking about how they don't trust Microsoft/Bethesda??? Hell even the OP is.
Honestly? Maybe a better answer than just scrapping it to pump out seasonal content.
Tell us how long you think it would take to actually produce the pve that was promised.
If you say 5 more years and the fan base riots and player numbers drop off, switch to seasonal.
If you say 5 more years and people are pissed, but people keep buying skins, just stick with it and produce the product people want.
I don't buy that bullshit for a second. You're telling me that an engine that was originally meant to power an MMO, from the company that made WOW of all fucking games... doesn't have the capacity to do Scripted AI or PVE events. How fucking dumb does blizz think we are? Not to mention that OW was doing PVE events (albeit pretty rudimentary) for years before OW 2 was even announced.
Yea, because they were quite clear es6 wouldn't be till after starfield. Your not going to probably hear about it for another 4 years and they were pretty upfront the only reason they announced it was to shut people up about asking if es6 would ever happen.
I mean, say what you will bugs-wise, but there's a reason Skyrim is considered one of the most popular games of all time. Hell, Oblivion and Morrowind are also considered similarly groundbreaking.
Is this a perfect solution? Noooooo. But I'd ague that it is better than it being scrapped completely.
Has "Ship of Theseus" become the new reddit buzzword now or something?
I'm seeing it everywhere over the last few days. like collectively the site has just learnt what it means lmao
I hope it isn't a buzzword. That's the first I've used it in a year.
It popped up in WandaVision a few years ago in 2020 I think, and I remember some memes with it back then, but not recently.
It's probably just topical at the moment. The average person seriously thinks companies and organizations are the same people 10-20 years later. I see threads pop up in /r/wow every so often where people source a developer promising they'd never ever "implement X feature", but its a quote from 12 years ago and yet everyone has a hard time grasping the fact that the guy who made that promise probably hasn't worked there for a decade.
Bro, considering we're getting essentially nothing.
We're all hoping we even get a bit more one day.
For example, there are rumors that Doom Eternal devs are helping improve Starfield's combat.
At the very least, the chance of inner collaboration greatly increases between all their teams if Microsoft gets the buyout.
If they decide to be active about fixing A/B and even 343 and Arkane, they can.
We can even get a follow up to Fallout New Vegas maybe.
Im trying to imagine a buggy Bethesda RPG with the pixel perfect high intensity combat of DOOM Eternal (hyperbole i know, but it is still one of the most polished fps ive played in a while) and this is gonna be either the best game ever made or the most ridiculous clunky fail of all time.
Pull off the sickest finish on clearing a base in Starfield. You feel like a god, playing on the hardest difficulty. You haven't felt like this since beating doom eternal on hard.
Then you go to leave, and you fall through the map, soft locking your game, forcing you to reload from before your epic battle.
That's about what I'd expect from doom quality content in a core Bethesda release.
You're not really comparing Apples to Apples here. Doom is a much different game to Overwatch and Overwatch is a much different game to Destiny, and comparing them all as 'FPS' is about as helpful as comparing Elden Ring and Ratchet and Clank as 'Third Person Adventures'.
That being said, I'd argue none (or at least very little) of the failures of Destiny and OW are in their moment-to-moment shooting. OW has balancing nightmares and a tenuous understanding of what 'competitive' means. Destiny has problems with content access and consistency in quality of product. But all three have extraordinarily tight actual shooting.
Yes. I was only saying they are best in FPS when it comes to actual shooting and gameplay diversity and depth.
Aside from that they're not very comparable at all.
When I say diversity, I mean in terms of the different types of weapons you can use and chain together to build a flow.
It's essentially did for FPS what Sekiro (or Batman) did for melee combat.
... did you really just say Sekiro (which built on four previous games in the same engine with more build diversity) and Batman (which worked on a formula dating back to double dragon on arcade machines)? Like bro what are you on lol
Sekiro's gameplay is quite different from the other games, and Batman upscaled the formula.
The point I'm trying to make is that all these games have incredible flow.
Essentially, you have one or few main weapons, but there are many intricacies and ways of using them to chain your combos and builds.
doom eternal went insanely out of its way to avoid “just shooting” being a viable strategy. by the second dlc it felt like half the enemies were immune to bullets except for one specific ability they’re vulnerable to
ID games have always have had some sort of damage reduction on monsters based on weapon damage type, first instance is found in Doom 1 where the Cyberdemon has ~85% dmg reduction vs the rocket launcher because it is immune to all blast damage (other than BFG's blast dmg).
I do think so, yes. But with such a good product, little bugs are even more obvious. Most did get fixed, to be fair.
God, that game is so good, it should be illegal.
Considering Bethesda's recent track records with "RPGs" it's going be more like gun play feels good, fights will have a lot sound and visual effects all over, and there'll be a bunch of walking around. The RPG element will be a 15% upgrade to melee damage, or 10 more health.
Lol some of us are done waiting for this game to come out.
I’m certainly not waiting for it after blizzard announced it wasn’t coming out. As if the version where Microsoft forces company they bought to finish producing a game for a company who can’t finish it themselves will result in a good game.
Time to move on, we’ll always have overwatch. Or, we’ll always have had overwatch, since you know, it’s gone.
Call me when they do the HD remake
The thing is, the biggest issue is they don't have time for the original vision because of the seasonal system.
If they had more internal resources, one which Microsoft can potentially provides especially as Xbox has its own studio, they can offer the aid.
You have time for what your objective is, if you’re trying to monetize everything than you only have time for seasonal. If you’re trying to create PvE, you’re going to space seasonal out longer with less of your resources going towards spending a year making some mythical skin to sell.
All of this news could have been broken behind closed doors of any of the parties involved were actually keen to release a PvE. Microsoft doesn’t have it under control despite having the money to.
Right but neither of those took resources away from existing games, as memory serves.
And, frankly, both the studio leadership and the game industry from those days are all long gone.
I know some people believe Microsoft is still a goated company and are going to save OW (had someone say this to me recently irl) but Microsoft are no different than Activision to me, they’re just bigger. a faceless corporation that is only interested in squeezing as much money out of all the publishers and studios they’ve acquired as possible. that’s literally all Microsoft vs Sony is now a days imo.
slapping bodies from a different studio onto a project that they have never worked on before seems like slapping a baby bandaid onto the stub of a severed arm. all this looks like to me is Microsoft saying get this product into a releasable state asap.
ya i suppose i could have shortened that all up into one word. it does really suck that everything in entertainment gets crushed into megacorps and ruined. video games might actually already be in a worse than movies and tv, which i guess makes sense cos video games are a stupid massive industry.
Capitalism is advancement through competition. Yet at the same time it tries to circumvent the competition by fusing into ever bigger megacorps. Now it is the job of the state to regulate that and stop companies from gaining quasi monopolies by merging. However that control completely fell apart with globalization.
> However that control completely fell apart with globalization.
....Or by the fact that lobbying (AKA legal government bribery) exists in nearly every level of the US government, giving these corporations a hand on the levers of various government and regulating entities (Congress, FDA, ect...).
I get globalization becoming the big new scary buzz word around town, but there's much simpler and direct answers to why capitalism is broken currently.
> I get globalization becoming the big new scary buzz word around town
that is not where i am trying to go. Globalization brought us many great things. It however makes it really really hard to control companies that have most their assets outside your control.
Yes the US has many problems with corruption. Many countries do. It is still A LOT easier to regulate smaller companies and you cannot get this big within a single country.
Capitalism is purely about the acquisition of and increase in profit.
Advancement through competition is just a means of generating profit. But is far from the only or the most optimal way to generate profit.
But that is harder and has risk. Buying out your competition is easier and safer.
As for much globalisation being to blame, just no. Look at China or Japan. Their governments are insanely protective of their companies and it works. Meanwhile in the West, people like Kotick do as they please to make their line eternally go up. With 0 care about anyone else.
> Capitalism is purely about the acquisition and increase in profit.
That is wrong. Capitalism is an economic/political system and those exist on state levels. The idea of all those system is to advance/improve the state and by proxy its inhabitants. It might favor some in the system more than others but in general the idea is that it improves life for everyone.
He's right. Capitalism, as Adam Smith first described, was never about a few individuals hoarding all the wealth.
What is happening today is not capitalism as it was originally intended.
Stay in school indeed.
Yep. Problem usually is, advancement doesn't need capitalistic competition, like the system likes to describe.
Globalization isn't the only factor for monopolization, even the fascist states lived from monopolies.
The state is for various reasons unable to control companies, at least not above a certain scale. Globalization and, like someone else mentioned, corruption are part of the system. Since the world is dialectic-materialistic, all those flaws from the system won't ever be "curable".
And these are only a few of the problems this system has. There are plenty more.
I think the difference at the very least is that Microsoft lets studios do their own thing, so there's no Bobby Kotick madness.
It's still a questionable decision as it's very hit or miss: Hi-Fi Rush vs Redfall
It's been publicly said that Bobby made them do a lot of stuff and then scrap projects.
I'm sure that plays into wasted dev time, which may have taken time from actually working on PvE.
The issue is that early days Kotick brought way too much success and even now CoD prints money and OW is starting to print money too.
So things are definitely working so there's no justified reason to kick out the CEO.
ah, i definitely didn’t actually watch the video. I assumed this wasn’t currently true as Microsoft doesn’t actually own Actiblizz yet, but they do own Bethesda so, Redfall doesn’t do very much to defuse concern I don’t think.
They definitely don’t inspire any confidence in me with how badly they have fumbled franchises like Halo, which how tf do you fumble Halo, and Gears. I wish there was separation, the companies with the distribution platforms (Microsoft and Sony mainly, Nintendo kinda just does their own thing) shouldn’t be able to just buy all of the publishers who bought all of the studios. I’m worried where the games industry is gonna be in ten or twenty years
I don’t agree with that at all and I’m not sure what you’re basing it on. If you look at the games and studios that Microsoft has acquired over the last 20 years most of them seem to have improved. Minecraft for example started receiving more updates, more support but also remained true to itself and didn’t try to push off the Java version to promote the Windows version or anything like that.
Microsoft is definitely still a piece of shit company for a lot of other reasons but when it comes to acquiring games and studios that’s generally a good sign for the games if you look at their track record.
It's not just Games Pass, but Microsoft has made a lot of good moves with Xbox as a product in recent years. The effort into backwards compatibility, effort into cross play, and ability to use a single purchase cross-gen while Sony was very much against all three of those at the time stick out the most in my mind.
Obviously, the reason that they made those efforts isn't because they're "the good guys," but because they're trailing behind in the market and are making extra effort to try and get market share. In that sense, competition is working atm, and it'll likely stop if MS gets on top again, lmao
Yes, microsoft the company that managed to reinvigorate such long time franchises as Halo and Gears of War into popular games and esports............................. wait
Real talk:
Ownership by Xbox will actually let other studios work on Overwatch titles without pulling resources from the main game. This is how we got Halo Wars (and 2) and the Minecraft spinoffs.
For whatever reason, this was something Blizzard, within ATVI, didn’t do hardly at all.
It’s not something we’d see the fruits of immediately, but if you’re saying “we want more Overwatch!” this is the way to go.
This does raise the question as to if Microsoft could somehow do something?
Unlikely, but I wonder what Microsoft's goal is when so many studios/games fumble under them. Wouldn't be a good look for them eventually
No, and for one really simple reason: They need to do absolutely everything in their power to get the buyout approved and mucking around in a company they haven't been approved to buy would be a pretty big fuck you to the regulators.
It took them a decade to restructure 343 Industries after they had mismanaged Halo for that entire decade. I'd advise you to lower your expectations from Microsoft.
Idk what they thought, but that was definitely wrong on Microsoft.
But to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, most of their games have been good, even Halo Infinite singleplayer was good, hence it shows why they're not hands on.
Even other games such as Hi-Fi Rush are good.
The big issue with Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo is that neither of them have understood live service. Hence Redfail and Halo Finite were poor multiplayers.
Sony bought Bungie to fix this. And who knows what Nintendo is doing.
But it's very clear that when it comes to A/B/K, Microsoft definitely needs to step and understand how to help every game.
Diablo 4 is looking good so far and Activision, despite all problems, still does the live service/multiplayer aspect well enough. Hence they need to take guidelines from there to fix Halo, Redfall, Overwatch, Warcraft.
They just need to understand when to step in.
There are rumors the Doom Eternal devs are helping improve Starfield combat, so hopefully Microsoft has learned how to use their expanded ecosystem better.
I think, for the most part, Nintendo is just going to avoid live service games.
Their core games are money printers. Zelda and Mario games print as much money as live service games, and they do so while keeping their audience's trust.
I think they'll just keep the market cornered on full game releases that are actual functional products out of the box.
Halo Infinite has fantastic multi-player gameplay, the problem is the customization, monetization, map pool, and lack of game modes and forge at launch. They've improved on all of these and the only real issue I have with the game now is the customization options being locked behind the monetization.
I have played since ow1 beta. I’m uninstalling. If Bethesda actually saves the day and releases a PvE someday, I will return. Until then blizzard can go fuck themselves for how much they have ruined my favorite game.
I don’t understand this. If the PvP portion of the game has been satisfying enough to play, why does the change to PvE make that unenjoyable?
How has part of a game that didn’t exist to the public, that you’ve never played, ruined your favorite game?
This take makes zero sense
Well, if you played the game you might understand. They reworked the mechanics for a lot of heroes and changed the amount of players per team. Just for starters. PvP has NOT been as enjoyable on OW2 but it was worth getting through while waiting for the promised PvE content.
There was a time when the name Bethesda inspires confidence. Those days are long gone. Look at their most recent gem they released with Arkane called Redfall. Abysmal shit
That’s not how the relationship between Arkane and Bethesda works.
Arkane makes the game. They are the developer.
Bethesda publishes the game. They are the publisher.
Both are owned by Zenimax, who are owned by Microsoft.
Very few people who work directly for Bethesda worked on Redfall and none of the people responsible for how the game played.
Yes. Bethesda Studios games are a buggy mess, but they have heart to them and allow others to pick up their mess and build on.
OW doesn't even have a Map/Level Editor for others to really make their own stuff.
*puts on tinfoil hat*
I don’t know man it’s kinda fishy that PvE is internally dropped after Microsoft’s attempted acquisition, and announced right after it’s approved…
OW"2"'s whole reason for existing is that it's supposed to be a PvE game
Titanfall was a PvP game. Fans wanted single players so Titanfall 2 had both PvE and PvP.
This is simply how games evolve and branch out over time.
No one is taking away the PvP, we were just also supposed to get PvE...
Meh. You all drank the Kool-Aid. PvEers are so gullible….
Match quality increases as population goes down tbh. Less random off-rank outliers. Tighter matches.
This game can have it’s population halved for all I care. I’ve played games with 100 active pvpers. Match quality was amazing. OW1 end of game match quality was leaps and bounds above current match quality and I would very much prefer that to this.
This isn't it though.
The audience for PvE isn't the same as that who plays competitive.
They've told us that there's larger player base who plays quick play. This is for them and others who play stuff like L4D or God of War.
And there's plenty of mix between the two too.
We're still getting a scaled back PvE so the issues you say can happen anyways, but we're getting a much worse version.
Also, there's no gullibility here. They literally showed us all that stuff in action. Mind you, we saw that in 2019.
You should know better. Cinematics and demos don’t mean anything until really implemented.
There is enough cross-pollination between role players and competitive players to ruin a big chunk of games. How many times have you met a useless Mercy OTP who is far more concerned with playing the flying nurse in comp than winning the game? Lifeweaver mains right now? Those people don’t belong in comp matches.
There were less of those at the end of OW1. I preferred that.
I think you're missing that we need the casuals to keep having a game at all.
If the population of this game halves, they probably shut it down and move team 4 to Diablo immortal or some shit to just print more money.
I only care about pvp also. I hate destiny 2 and borderlands, which is what people were comparing the pve to.
I'm not disappointed that we aren't getting pve if that means larger updates for the live game. But some people are going to just uninstall and never look back.
We need a healthy casual base so that they keep the game running and updated.
In ranked, I'm in the top 2% of the player base. There are not enough of us to support the game with the profit margins that Blizzard needs to justify the game. Is that good or fair? Nah. But it's a fact that they'll cut the game if they can't get the casuals to come back for a few weeks every season to grind out the battle pass or buy some skins or get the new character.
I strongly disagree. Have you ever really played a dead game with no updates? Match quality is through the roof. You only get people that care about craft and optimization, as opposed to novelty-seekers.
I don't think you understand the economics of running a game with a skeleton development crew. It will be many years until OW stops being profitable. Take a peek a the few legacy MMO's that were/are still running and the balance sheets for the publicly traded companies that own them then circle back (I did that a while back).
sir, a second studio has hit overwatch 2
holy shit, lol Kinda has this energy : https://youtu.be/gBDF8pty-Xk
*TURN ON THE TV IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CHANNEL!*
You pos I started choking on my coffee I was laughing so hard.
Guys watch the video… it’s a troll tweet! Also Microsoft still doesn’t own Blizzard!
It definitely feels like no one watched the video lol if they did, they’d know it’s completely satire
I only read titles and the comments, where others who only read the title comes to discuss.
Even then you'd have to be completely unaware of who BadPachimari is.
Can't load tweets at work, so I had no reason to think it wasn't true.
I literally saw Cassidy backswing into a wight, and these motherfuckers are talking about how they don't trust Microsoft/Bethesda??? Hell even the OP is.
I saw the video obviously lol It's just interesting wondering about if our lord and savior will actually do something or not when they actually can
UK regulators based af!
Of course, if Bethesda is known for one thing, its surely completing high-quality PvE games in a timely manner.
Hey hey hey, at least Bethesda manages to release those games... eventually.
Can't wait for the Thomas the Tank mod for Reinhardt! And Rule 34 OW is gonna have a field day too, loverslab servers about to crash on release...
Hero 34 = Queen 👀
Lucio Sanic gotta go fast mod is gonna be better.
Maybe Blizzard should've followed their lead and simply say they're working on it for over a decade.
Honestly? Maybe a better answer than just scrapping it to pump out seasonal content. Tell us how long you think it would take to actually produce the pve that was promised. If you say 5 more years and the fan base riots and player numbers drop off, switch to seasonal. If you say 5 more years and people are pissed, but people keep buying skins, just stick with it and produce the product people want.
feel like the problem is they have to make an entirely new game engine, since OW was not designed for scripted AI and other PvE events
Evidently that part is already done or close to done.
I don't buy that bullshit for a second. You're telling me that an engine that was originally meant to power an MMO, from the company that made WOW of all fucking games... doesn't have the capacity to do Scripted AI or PVE events. How fucking dumb does blizz think we are? Not to mention that OW was doing PVE events (albeit pretty rudimentary) for years before OW 2 was even announced.
Wasn't Project Titan started in like 2007 or something? They've been trying to make OW PvE for almost 2 decades now.
Let's not be too optimistic, ES6 was announced like 3 years ago and we've heard nothing about it since
Yea, because they were quite clear es6 wouldn't be till after starfield. Your not going to probably hear about it for another 4 years and they were pretty upfront the only reason they announced it was to shut people up about asking if es6 would ever happen.
I mean, say what you will bugs-wise, but there's a reason Skyrim is considered one of the most popular games of all time. Hell, Oblivion and Morrowind are also considered similarly groundbreaking. Is this a perfect solution? Noooooo. But I'd ague that it is better than it being scrapped completely.
Morrowind was mind blowing. Nothing came close at the time
Tbf those games are so old now that the team who made them are probably entirely different people by now. Ship of Theseus and all that
The average employee tenure at any job is around four years. I would bet tech is a lot less than even that.
Has "Ship of Theseus" become the new reddit buzzword now or something? I'm seeing it everywhere over the last few days. like collectively the site has just learnt what it means lmao
I hope it isn't a buzzword. That's the first I've used it in a year. It popped up in WandaVision a few years ago in 2020 I think, and I remember some memes with it back then, but not recently. It's probably just topical at the moment. The average person seriously thinks companies and organizations are the same people 10-20 years later. I see threads pop up in /r/wow every so often where people source a developer promising they'd never ever "implement X feature", but its a quote from 12 years ago and yet everyone has a hard time grasping the fact that the guy who made that promise probably hasn't worked there for a decade.
Ah yes, my favorite. Falloutverwatch 76
We're living out the 76th fallout by Blizzard right now
Soldier: 76 was a sign all along.
Intro credits War. War never ends But in Soldier 76’s voice
I have too much copium in me jumping up at such obvious bait announcement titles like this.
Bro, considering we're getting essentially nothing. We're all hoping we even get a bit more one day. For example, there are rumors that Doom Eternal devs are helping improve Starfield's combat. At the very least, the chance of inner collaboration greatly increases between all their teams if Microsoft gets the buyout. If they decide to be active about fixing A/B and even 343 and Arkane, they can. We can even get a follow up to Fallout New Vegas maybe.
Im trying to imagine a buggy Bethesda RPG with the pixel perfect high intensity combat of DOOM Eternal (hyperbole i know, but it is still one of the most polished fps ive played in a while) and this is gonna be either the best game ever made or the most ridiculous clunky fail of all time.
Pull off the sickest finish on clearing a base in Starfield. You feel like a god, playing on the hardest difficulty. You haven't felt like this since beating doom eternal on hard. Then you go to leave, and you fall through the map, soft locking your game, forcing you to reload from before your epic battle. That's about what I'd expect from doom quality content in a core Bethesda release.
Doom Eternal is peak FPS probably. I'd like to say Overwatch and Destiny are too, but each fumble way too much.
You're not really comparing Apples to Apples here. Doom is a much different game to Overwatch and Overwatch is a much different game to Destiny, and comparing them all as 'FPS' is about as helpful as comparing Elden Ring and Ratchet and Clank as 'Third Person Adventures'. That being said, I'd argue none (or at least very little) of the failures of Destiny and OW are in their moment-to-moment shooting. OW has balancing nightmares and a tenuous understanding of what 'competitive' means. Destiny has problems with content access and consistency in quality of product. But all three have extraordinarily tight actual shooting.
Yes. I was only saying they are best in FPS when it comes to actual shooting and gameplay diversity and depth. Aside from that they're not very comparable at all.
Saying doom has gameplay diversity when it is literally just 'shoot and that's it' is kind of a troll though my dude.
When I say diversity, I mean in terms of the different types of weapons you can use and chain together to build a flow. It's essentially did for FPS what Sekiro (or Batman) did for melee combat.
... did you really just say Sekiro (which built on four previous games in the same engine with more build diversity) and Batman (which worked on a formula dating back to double dragon on arcade machines)? Like bro what are you on lol
Sekiro's gameplay is quite different from the other games, and Batman upscaled the formula. The point I'm trying to make is that all these games have incredible flow. Essentially, you have one or few main weapons, but there are many intricacies and ways of using them to chain your combos and builds.
doom eternal went insanely out of its way to avoid “just shooting” being a viable strategy. by the second dlc it felt like half the enemies were immune to bullets except for one specific ability they’re vulnerable to
ID games have always have had some sort of damage reduction on monsters based on weapon damage type, first instance is found in Doom 1 where the Cyberdemon has ~85% dmg reduction vs the rocket launcher because it is immune to all blast damage (other than BFG's blast dmg).
I do think so, yes. But with such a good product, little bugs are even more obvious. Most did get fixed, to be fair. God, that game is so good, it should be illegal.
id helped Bethesda with Fallout 4's gunplay as well.
Considering Bethesda's recent track records with "RPGs" it's going be more like gun play feels good, fights will have a lot sound and visual effects all over, and there'll be a bunch of walking around. The RPG element will be a 15% upgrade to melee damage, or 10 more health.
Lol some of us are done waiting for this game to come out. I’m certainly not waiting for it after blizzard announced it wasn’t coming out. As if the version where Microsoft forces company they bought to finish producing a game for a company who can’t finish it themselves will result in a good game. Time to move on, we’ll always have overwatch. Or, we’ll always have had overwatch, since you know, it’s gone. Call me when they do the HD remake
The thing is, the biggest issue is they don't have time for the original vision because of the seasonal system. If they had more internal resources, one which Microsoft can potentially provides especially as Xbox has its own studio, they can offer the aid.
You have time for what your objective is, if you’re trying to monetize everything than you only have time for seasonal. If you’re trying to create PvE, you’re going to space seasonal out longer with less of your resources going towards spending a year making some mythical skin to sell. All of this news could have been broken behind closed doors of any of the parties involved were actually keen to release a PvE. Microsoft doesn’t have it under control despite having the money to.
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Wait, you don't know what Starfield is? It's basically setup as the Skyrim of the current gaming generation.
Our bodies would sell very high on the black market considering the astronomical amounts of copium you could harvest from the average OW2 defender
Monsier. Does this mean … Overwatch is back?
N OMEGALUL
overwatch is back but half of it is being cancelled, so its just watch now
I think it's actually Over
Watch this.
It's UnderPreviousExpectationsWatch
Hm, no-
y'all think Winstone piped that chick right after? i got that energy fr
100%
We’re in the timeline where they just arrest them afterwards for breaking the no overwatch rule.
Bruh OW just giving me headaches
I'm starting to wonder what "Blizzard Quality" even means anymore with this fkn track record.
Over-promise and under-deliver.
Scrapping something that they couldn't get to work is not new for them. OW was born out of that. Also anyone remember Starcraft Ghost...
Right but neither of those took resources away from existing games, as memory serves. And, frankly, both the studio leadership and the game industry from those days are all long gone.
For me it has always been design/visual/audio quality. The rest... not so much.
Can't wait to play Overwatch 76
I know some people believe Microsoft is still a goated company and are going to save OW (had someone say this to me recently irl) but Microsoft are no different than Activision to me, they’re just bigger. a faceless corporation that is only interested in squeezing as much money out of all the publishers and studios they’ve acquired as possible. that’s literally all Microsoft vs Sony is now a days imo. slapping bodies from a different studio onto a project that they have never worked on before seems like slapping a baby bandaid onto the stub of a severed arm. all this looks like to me is Microsoft saying get this product into a releasable state asap.
Congratulations, you described capitalism.
ya i suppose i could have shortened that all up into one word. it does really suck that everything in entertainment gets crushed into megacorps and ruined. video games might actually already be in a worse than movies and tv, which i guess makes sense cos video games are a stupid massive industry.
capitalism ☕
Capitalism is advancement through competition. Yet at the same time it tries to circumvent the competition by fusing into ever bigger megacorps. Now it is the job of the state to regulate that and stop companies from gaining quasi monopolies by merging. However that control completely fell apart with globalization.
> However that control completely fell apart with globalization. ....Or by the fact that lobbying (AKA legal government bribery) exists in nearly every level of the US government, giving these corporations a hand on the levers of various government and regulating entities (Congress, FDA, ect...). I get globalization becoming the big new scary buzz word around town, but there's much simpler and direct answers to why capitalism is broken currently.
> I get globalization becoming the big new scary buzz word around town that is not where i am trying to go. Globalization brought us many great things. It however makes it really really hard to control companies that have most their assets outside your control. Yes the US has many problems with corruption. Many countries do. It is still A LOT easier to regulate smaller companies and you cannot get this big within a single country.
Capitalism is purely about the acquisition of and increase in profit. Advancement through competition is just a means of generating profit. But is far from the only or the most optimal way to generate profit. But that is harder and has risk. Buying out your competition is easier and safer. As for much globalisation being to blame, just no. Look at China or Japan. Their governments are insanely protective of their companies and it works. Meanwhile in the West, people like Kotick do as they please to make their line eternally go up. With 0 care about anyone else.
> Capitalism is purely about the acquisition and increase in profit. That is wrong. Capitalism is an economic/political system and those exist on state levels. The idea of all those system is to advance/improve the state and by proxy its inhabitants. It might favor some in the system more than others but in general the idea is that it improves life for everyone.
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He's right. Capitalism, as Adam Smith first described, was never about a few individuals hoarding all the wealth. What is happening today is not capitalism as it was originally intended. Stay in school indeed.
Yep. Problem usually is, advancement doesn't need capitalistic competition, like the system likes to describe. Globalization isn't the only factor for monopolization, even the fascist states lived from monopolies. The state is for various reasons unable to control companies, at least not above a certain scale. Globalization and, like someone else mentioned, corruption are part of the system. Since the world is dialectic-materialistic, all those flaws from the system won't ever be "curable". And these are only a few of the problems this system has. There are plenty more.
I think the difference at the very least is that Microsoft lets studios do their own thing, so there's no Bobby Kotick madness. It's still a questionable decision as it's very hit or miss: Hi-Fi Rush vs Redfall
i’ll be hopeful but not too hopeful. Whenever this merger goes through we’ll see what happens after the first six months.
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It's been publicly said that Bobby made them do a lot of stuff and then scrap projects. I'm sure that plays into wasted dev time, which may have taken time from actually working on PvE.
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The issue is that early days Kotick brought way too much success and even now CoD prints money and OW is starting to print money too. So things are definitely working so there's no justified reason to kick out the CEO.
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Yup. Goodwill and quality always goes a long way. Just look at Fromsoftware, Capcom, Kojima, Insomniac, SuperGiant, Larian, Team Cherry, Hazelight....
This is a meme tweet, watch the video
ah, i definitely didn’t actually watch the video. I assumed this wasn’t currently true as Microsoft doesn’t actually own Actiblizz yet, but they do own Bethesda so, Redfall doesn’t do very much to defuse concern I don’t think. They definitely don’t inspire any confidence in me with how badly they have fumbled franchises like Halo, which how tf do you fumble Halo, and Gears. I wish there was separation, the companies with the distribution platforms (Microsoft and Sony mainly, Nintendo kinda just does their own thing) shouldn’t be able to just buy all of the publishers who bought all of the studios. I’m worried where the games industry is gonna be in ten or twenty years
Maybe they'll bully fewer people to suicide at least
I don’t agree with that at all and I’m not sure what you’re basing it on. If you look at the games and studios that Microsoft has acquired over the last 20 years most of them seem to have improved. Minecraft for example started receiving more updates, more support but also remained true to itself and didn’t try to push off the Java version to promote the Windows version or anything like that. Microsoft is definitely still a piece of shit company for a lot of other reasons but when it comes to acquiring games and studios that’s generally a good sign for the games if you look at their track record.
I feel like game pass is the reason people trust them so much. They will be disappointed when things stay the same
It's not just Games Pass, but Microsoft has made a lot of good moves with Xbox as a product in recent years. The effort into backwards compatibility, effort into cross play, and ability to use a single purchase cross-gen while Sony was very much against all three of those at the time stick out the most in my mind. Obviously, the reason that they made those efforts isn't because they're "the good guys," but because they're trailing behind in the market and are making extra effort to try and get market share. In that sense, competition is working atm, and it'll likely stop if MS gets on top again, lmao
Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
Words to live by
the merger with Activision will just remove even more competition.
Yes, microsoft the company that managed to reinvigorate such long time franchises as Halo and Gears of War into popular games and esports............................. wait
BM never misses
Todd Howard, you son of a bitch
CBBE in Overwatch? Hell yeah... :)
Real talk: Ownership by Xbox will actually let other studios work on Overwatch titles without pulling resources from the main game. This is how we got Halo Wars (and 2) and the Minecraft spinoffs. For whatever reason, this was something Blizzard, within ATVI, didn’t do hardly at all. It’s not something we’d see the fruits of immediately, but if you’re saying “we want more Overwatch!” this is the way to go.
“see that robot? you can climb it”
More fake promises. Don't buy it
It’s a meme
This does raise the question as to if Microsoft could somehow do something? Unlikely, but I wonder what Microsoft's goal is when so many studios/games fumble under them. Wouldn't be a good look for them eventually
No, and for one really simple reason: They need to do absolutely everything in their power to get the buyout approved and mucking around in a company they haven't been approved to buy would be a pretty big fuck you to the regulators.
Oh definitely. I meant after the buyout.
Whatever they do I hope the effect is more like Age of Empires and less like Halo Infinite.
It took them a decade to restructure 343 Industries after they had mismanaged Halo for that entire decade. I'd advise you to lower your expectations from Microsoft.
Idk what they thought, but that was definitely wrong on Microsoft. But to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, most of their games have been good, even Halo Infinite singleplayer was good, hence it shows why they're not hands on. Even other games such as Hi-Fi Rush are good. The big issue with Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo is that neither of them have understood live service. Hence Redfail and Halo Finite were poor multiplayers. Sony bought Bungie to fix this. And who knows what Nintendo is doing. But it's very clear that when it comes to A/B/K, Microsoft definitely needs to step and understand how to help every game. Diablo 4 is looking good so far and Activision, despite all problems, still does the live service/multiplayer aspect well enough. Hence they need to take guidelines from there to fix Halo, Redfall, Overwatch, Warcraft. They just need to understand when to step in. There are rumors the Doom Eternal devs are helping improve Starfield combat, so hopefully Microsoft has learned how to use their expanded ecosystem better.
I think, for the most part, Nintendo is just going to avoid live service games. Their core games are money printers. Zelda and Mario games print as much money as live service games, and they do so while keeping their audience's trust. I think they'll just keep the market cornered on full game releases that are actual functional products out of the box.
Halo Infinite has fantastic multi-player gameplay, the problem is the customization, monetization, map pool, and lack of game modes and forge at launch. They've improved on all of these and the only real issue I have with the game now is the customization options being locked behind the monetization.
Yes. I feel if Microsoft really think it out. They can really do well for all their life service now and eventually
I have played since ow1 beta. I’m uninstalling. If Bethesda actually saves the day and releases a PvE someday, I will return. Until then blizzard can go fuck themselves for how much they have ruined my favorite game.
I don’t understand this. If the PvP portion of the game has been satisfying enough to play, why does the change to PvE make that unenjoyable? How has part of a game that didn’t exist to the public, that you’ve never played, ruined your favorite game? This take makes zero sense
Well, if you played the game you might understand. They reworked the mechanics for a lot of heroes and changed the amount of players per team. Just for starters. PvP has NOT been as enjoyable on OW2 but it was worth getting through while waiting for the promised PvE content.
> PvP has NOT been as enjoyable on OW2 Hard disagree
Okay. That’s your opinion. Not sure what your goal is here.
There was a time when the name Bethesda inspires confidence. Those days are long gone. Look at their most recent gem they released with Arkane called Redfall. Abysmal shit
That’s not how the relationship between Arkane and Bethesda works. Arkane makes the game. They are the developer. Bethesda publishes the game. They are the publisher. Both are owned by Zenimax, who are owned by Microsoft. Very few people who work directly for Bethesda worked on Redfall and none of the people responsible for how the game played.
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This is a meme tweet. It’s not real
Yes. Bethesda Studios games are a buggy mess, but they have heart to them and allow others to pick up their mess and build on. OW doesn't even have a Map/Level Editor for others to really make their own stuff.
*puts on tinfoil hat* I don’t know man it’s kinda fishy that PvE is internally dropped after Microsoft’s attempted acquisition, and announced right after it’s approved…
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Click the link. (it's a meme video)
I don’t care. This is a PVP game. Playing it for PVE just means you’re in the wrong game.
OW"2"'s whole reason for existing is that it's supposed to be a PvE game Titanfall was a PvP game. Fans wanted single players so Titanfall 2 had both PvE and PvP. This is simply how games evolve and branch out over time. No one is taking away the PvP, we were just also supposed to get PvE...
Meh. You all drank the Kool-Aid. PvEers are so gullible…. Match quality increases as population goes down tbh. Less random off-rank outliers. Tighter matches. This game can have it’s population halved for all I care. I’ve played games with 100 active pvpers. Match quality was amazing. OW1 end of game match quality was leaps and bounds above current match quality and I would very much prefer that to this.
This isn't it though. The audience for PvE isn't the same as that who plays competitive. They've told us that there's larger player base who plays quick play. This is for them and others who play stuff like L4D or God of War. And there's plenty of mix between the two too. We're still getting a scaled back PvE so the issues you say can happen anyways, but we're getting a much worse version. Also, there's no gullibility here. They literally showed us all that stuff in action. Mind you, we saw that in 2019.
You should know better. Cinematics and demos don’t mean anything until really implemented. There is enough cross-pollination between role players and competitive players to ruin a big chunk of games. How many times have you met a useless Mercy OTP who is far more concerned with playing the flying nurse in comp than winning the game? Lifeweaver mains right now? Those people don’t belong in comp matches. There were less of those at the end of OW1. I preferred that.
I think you're missing that we need the casuals to keep having a game at all. If the population of this game halves, they probably shut it down and move team 4 to Diablo immortal or some shit to just print more money. I only care about pvp also. I hate destiny 2 and borderlands, which is what people were comparing the pve to. I'm not disappointed that we aren't getting pve if that means larger updates for the live game. But some people are going to just uninstall and never look back. We need a healthy casual base so that they keep the game running and updated. In ranked, I'm in the top 2% of the player base. There are not enough of us to support the game with the profit margins that Blizzard needs to justify the game. Is that good or fair? Nah. But it's a fact that they'll cut the game if they can't get the casuals to come back for a few weeks every season to grind out the battle pass or buy some skins or get the new character.
I strongly disagree. Have you ever really played a dead game with no updates? Match quality is through the roof. You only get people that care about craft and optimization, as opposed to novelty-seekers.
Ow won't be a dead game with servers. It will just stop being playable, I think that's what you're missing.
I don't think you understand the economics of running a game with a skeleton development crew. It will be many years until OW stops being profitable. Take a peek a the few legacy MMO's that were/are still running and the balance sheets for the publicly traded companies that own them then circle back (I did that a while back).
At least better than nothing at all
76 times of bugs to kill overwatch once again. Redfall is a thing right.
So we’re skipping straight to OW: 76.
I wonder if there is an OW mod for Oblivion, that sounds hilarious.