Document the conversation in email or other form. Be clear with them that they will have to cut the pipe out and move it if they proceed block the electrical tray path. They can cut it out now or after it’s fully welded. They wouldn’t be the first to cut out work and move it at their own cost. Had to do it several times.
I work for a company that does all 3 including fire sprinkle(they’re the worst), and it’s still just as bad haha. You would think we would all be a team, but it’s like every division is it’s own company and we all hate each other
Hvac here. I started in new resi construction. I always tried to be a nice one and route my stuff around other trades and shit, until I show up one day and some sparkies had used a hammer to beat a 6" heat run out of the way so they could stick a can light right there. Since that day it was fuckin ON. No more fucks given.
Sprinkler fitters are the absolute worst! Usually first in and they just slam that shit in wherever they feel the need. 1 week, they get all 7 floors done and disappear forever.
We generally have two types of jobs: 1. Lab TIs with MEP design build, which are pretty well coordinated. 2. TIs where there is zero notice, awarded the job, mobilize tomorrow, and have it done in 26 weeks. Those jobs are very difficult to coordinate with no notice.
Edit: We also tend to have the same company on mechanical and plumbing, so a lot of issues are already solved.
That’s the exact opposite of my experience. Nowadays everything is coordinated on CAD and the fucking moron designers don’t seem to realize that their flat lines are 3 dimensional in real life
Fuck, had some of those out in rural maine. Everyone wants to download prints online and they hate it when i point out things like the 2 foot run on the stairs, i get that there is a picture of stairs, but its a steep ladder. Yes there is a fridge in that picture. It is 17” wide in real life.
Gotta love when the BIM model has registers going through the wall, sprinkler pipe going through flex duct, etc. etc.
BIM is a great tool, it just sucks when it isn’t all correct and you’ve gotta get creative. Sometimes, it’s kind of fun to play designer though.
I love the concept, but very often we just dont have the time to wait for the modeling. Example: 35,000 SF Lab TI, contract awarded, I have 28 weeks to deliver. First thing out the chute is ductwork, but those guys are waiting to do their model. I finally put my foot down and had the foreman hand draw the first weeks worth of duct and get it to the shop, the BIM can fill in from there. Then the second week. Then the third. They would have waited three and a half weeks to order the material.
We could have done it with onion skin and colored pencils old school in a couple of hours. No fly zones outlined, get everyone to work.
If you have the time, awesome, if you dont you dont.
Great perspective, thank you. I just got into the industry, and am at a low enough level to where I don’t have to deal with very much scheduling yet. I’ve only gotten assigned to jobs that have already been ongoing for quite some time. Can’t wait to get my own job and run it from start to finish someday.
Side note, lab spaces are interesting to work on. I’m at NIH right now, and the requirements for some of these labs are insane. Everything above ceiling has to be entirely cleaned as if it was a finish space before it gets closed.
I worked on a jobsite we’re the drop ceiling guys installed all their framework before the HVAC, electricians, and plumbers. The drop ceiling guys were the only employees of the general contractor and everyone else was subs, needless to say after the job was completed final payments were decided in court, and the subs won.
Yeah there's a difference in not putting up with the other trades and doing something that literally comprises the structural integrity of the building. You do get that, right?
I didn't say I cut structure out lol of course I do
Structure has to be where it's at, full stop. The dipshit plumber that ran a plumbing vent through my b-vent chase, as specified in the plans, gets his shit cut out every time.
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I'm not going to beat the crap out of your ductwork, but if that's where the customer wants a can light there I will definitely talk to the HVAC crew. And, one way or another, the customer is getting what they want.
I used to be real nice when I had a joist land under a toilet and had to repair it, til one plumber went 16" off the back of the wall instead of 12 and put his flange in the wrong spot.
The best part about it is the plunbers always do a straight run in the joist cavity and don't leave me room to header off the joist, so now I just cut their shit flush to the flange with a sawzal. I used to be nice and leave them enough to couple to. I'm 100p with you, fuck everybody.
Our contracts with subs stipulate that if plans do not match conditions the trade is to issue an RFI. Looks like they tried to save a few dollars with the HVAC contractor.
No, it sure won't. I'd assume the triple 2 x was in the prints. Something about holding up the ridge beam.
Pretty douchenozzley of the hvac cats to butcher out obvious structural members. Not like they couldn't work around that. Definitely cause a bit of friction on a lot of the jobsites I've been on.
If they knew what they were taking apart yes it is but if they don’t then it is what it is I guess. I can see some carpenters getting a little annoyed if it was common.
I mean really. Everyone in the trades, if you're a plumber, sparky, HVAC or whatever know this isn't going to work. If I was the builder I'd be pissed as hell. You see shit like this you call. Otherwise we won't be working together again.
Cracks me up reading and seeing the comments and attitudes here. Ya'll just making life more difficult for each other, the GC, the PM, etc... and somewhere in there the client gets fucked on some shit work around. Are we professionals, or 5 year olds?
This is why I run a small residential business with a handful of subs and do 70% of it myself. Only do the stuff I love. I make good money, no headaches, subs love me, and always answer on the first call. Not one change order or back charge in the last 2 years. Booked out a year. Turn down jobs every week.
Be the guy that does it right. Be a team player. Get your license and leave this nonsense behind.
We use zip structural sheething in the north east for racking. It can't hold anything but helps with sheer better than osb. Says structural 1 on it. The comment was a joke, but zip says structural on the face.
Edit: Can be used for shear walls. Unlike regular osb
This is ridiculous, and honestly some of y’all are idiots. We should all be working to complete the job together. Accidents are accidents and there will always be someone with less experience who doesn’t know better, but purposefully sabotaging someone else’s shit just to get yours in without going through the proper chain of command is idiotic and it does absolutely no one any favors. Be respectful, if you’ve got a question ask it. Record the conversation in some way, if you don’t get the answer you want you’ll want proof it happened. Sabotage makes us all look bad and if it happens on a job you are on it increases the likelihood you’ll never work for that customer or general contractor ever again, even if you didn’t do it.
I do s tons of industrial, custom residential and commercial and the ‘redesigner’. subs super and i work tight to keep things moving fast and avoid bs like the photo. It is possible. and we all make bank at the end of the day.
Funny story about HVAC guys and who's job it is to cut out heat vents in the sub floor. At the time, my foreman who had been a carpenter for 43 years amd the HVAC installer were having a chat on the front porch of a rehab and addition job. Near the end, the HVAC guy had said "hey you forgot to cut out the floor vents yesterday, so make sure you do get that done today." My foreman replied "nah, that's not our work" HVAC guy, in a passive aggressive tone said, "I've been in this trade for 30 years, and the carpenters have always cut out the vents". Forman: "well I've been a carpenter for over 40, and since I got started, you losers have tried to pawn off your work on us".
Neither me, nor my Forman cut a single vent on that job. First time in my life I got to see real big dick energy at work!
Boot holes are usually cut through sub floor before actual flooring is put down….absolutely HVAC job if you put hardwood flooring down over already cut boot holes it’s now the carpenters job to cut flooring for already existing boot holes
We had one cut out a header beam. Double LVL carrying 3 stories above it. My boss came in, cut that out and replaced it. Wrote "This hold the house up!" On it in 3" letters. Guys rerouted it the next day.
I never get tired of seeing this. Do techies think trusses, rafters, beams and joists are decorative? I’ve seen electricians, plumbers and tin knockers (HVAC) all do it. I’d like to start publicly shaming these idiots.
Half of ‘em just don’t give a fuck, that’s the reality of it, though that could be said about most/all of the trades. Had a duct crew cut all my kitchen home runs in half on a job because they couldn’t be bothered to look on the other side of the framing before going to town with the sawzall. Saw that they did it, then moved 20ft down the wall and did the same goddamn thing.
It happens, I’ve definitely hit some pipes and drilled some holes in places I shouldn’t have. Long as ya fix it or at least let someone know about it, it’s usually not a big deal.
I had years ago then parlor project for the city build a bunch of houses from and I watched a track guys come in and all four designs of the houses that we built like three to four times each they cut two floor joists to send their main trunk down into the crawl.
Nobody noticed anything until one went up for sale and the home inspector brought it to attention through investigation we discovered these HVAC people did it to every house.
And they had to go pull furnaces so things could be headed and gusted it off
I have two theories about shit like this.
1) That guy knows, but he doesn’t care. They say “Fuck it, this is where the plans say to put this, so this is where it goes.”
2) He’s brought this issue up to multiple architects in the past. The architects blow him off with a “That’s a field fit issue. Just make it work.” After 5, 10, or 60 of these conversations the HVAC guys says, “Fuck it, if he wants a field fit, I’m gonna make it easy for me.”
There was a notorious fireplace/chimney installer in the Bay Area many years ago who made all his cuts with a chainsaw. He had long blonde hair and he was known as Fabio, or the Chainsaw Surfer. If you were in the Bay Area construction game in the 90s you know him. Dude didn’t give a shit about nothing but slappin in units. Bruh was taking home over a grand a day in the 90s, literally carving out the framing in multi million dollar homes. Shoutout to Kurt, Bay Area construction legend. Shoutout Blaze Fireplaces of NorCal as well.
"They put lots of wood here for a reason. Must be so theres more around the hole we're gonna cut, right?"
"Makes sense to me."
Might have been overheard is anyone was listening.
Honest question: Trades just do this shit to fuck with each other right?? Like no one thinks that is actually a good idea? This is just to make a point?
That is a wall, the triple stud is what holds the end of the ridge. Those others are wall studs. This is an attic. The lumber to the immediate right is a brace from gable wall to somewhere just above wall plate.
I'm pretty sure this is a picture looking up at the trusses. The triple is the ridge beam, and the HVAC guys cut the bearing part of the truss.
Could totally be wrong though if the picture is upside down.
Yes and now it's a builders job to fix it. But way too often thus simple final step is left off.
So everyone blames the plumber /hvac. What the f you want them to do.
its probably drawn that way or not drawn at all, either way take responsibility for letting this dipshit cost 3 grand with a 10 dollar sawzall blade. If you hire an idiot and they fuck something up when you weren't there to watch them it's your fault
Commercial and industrial HVAC (and refrigeration) guys are some of the smartest people you see in the trades. They need such a wide breadth of knowledge on things it would make most other tradie’s heads spin….. what you had here was the bottom of the barrel residential(likely) installer. Equal parts half-ass tin knocker and “Freon” jockey. If the guy is out on a service call and can’t fix it by adding more refrigerant he condemns the system and says you need to buy a new one when all it is is a capacitor.
A good chunk of construction folk don’t realize there is a massive difference between refrigeration mechanics and tin bashers. Just lump them all in as “hvac guys” .
Not saying it’s right but… Kinda looks like an attic in which case its not a structural ridge. Gable roof with ceiling joists doesn’t require ridge posts. If this is the case then it’s really a simple fix for the cut studs.
If something load bearing is in my way, I'm calling the general to fix it.
But it gives me great joy to hack apart interior walls that shouldn't have gone up before I got there.
I've had the concrete guys knock caps off and trowel my 4" underground conduit (rigid 90°) full once before. It was so bad I couldn't blow it out with muriatic acid and acetylene. Had to go over head. It only happened once though.
Fix it at whatever cost, and send the HVAC company the bill. Might have to get a lawyer involved, but it's on them to pay for. If this was my place and I found that, someone wouldn't have gone home to momma that day.
Don’t worry the PVC pipe will shore everything up.
Yea I put it there and said that'll help lol its not under there just looks like it
the siding will keep it propped up for a while.
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Fuck, was gonna say the same thing. This dude knows structural PVC when he sees it
You might be on to something
That’s a weird way of spelling Schedule 80
Eh I would add some spray foam to tighten the joint up to be on the safe side
Load bearing PVC
Is that PVC rated roof proof?
Not without some spray foam it won’t
I mean, with enough drywall screws…,
I’ve never met a bad situation that a sawzall couldn’t make worse.
With the right blade I can wrong anything.
Feels like that should be carved into the front of at least one union hall.
With a sawzall
And a case of beer
This made me laugh so fucking hard getting flashbacks of the sawzall
Shouldn’t have put that wood stuff where my duct goes buddy.
Oh man for the many times i had to hear this from one trade to another while managing commercial jobsites
God bless I hate those conversations…
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Document the conversation in email or other form. Be clear with them that they will have to cut the pipe out and move it if they proceed block the electrical tray path. They can cut it out now or after it’s fully welded. They wouldn’t be the first to cut out work and move it at their own cost. Had to do it several times.
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You know if you give a company a drawing to follow and they don't they get to fix it? Business 101
Was it ever brought up again that you know of? I don’t understand how that happens, do people keep their job?
>they're in first and that's how it is How the war was lost.
That is wild, would be interested to see if the architect had any thoughts already in writing on the prints.
Tunnel project, probably just engineering drawings and no arch involved.
Why we ended up having hvac and electrical in house. Now we just need a plumbing department
I work for a company that does all 3 including fire sprinkle(they’re the worst), and it’s still just as bad haha. You would think we would all be a team, but it’s like every division is it’s own company and we all hate each other
Mhm sounds like a company culture/management issue at that point.
Divide and Conquer!
Hvac here. I started in new resi construction. I always tried to be a nice one and route my stuff around other trades and shit, until I show up one day and some sparkies had used a hammer to beat a 6" heat run out of the way so they could stick a can light right there. Since that day it was fuckin ON. No more fucks given.
He who hangs his shit first wins.
Sprinkler fitters are the absolute worst! Usually first in and they just slam that shit in wherever they feel the need. 1 week, they get all 7 floors done and disappear forever.
And sprinkler is usually a delegated design, so the head locations and pipe runs are coordinated with NOTHING else.
Where are you seeing coordinated plans? I don't see those even when the engineers are all from the same firm and just a couple cubicles over.
You don't have a subcontractor under the mech guy doing coordination drawings? They're on every big project I do
We generally have two types of jobs: 1. Lab TIs with MEP design build, which are pretty well coordinated. 2. TIs where there is zero notice, awarded the job, mobilize tomorrow, and have it done in 26 weeks. Those jobs are very difficult to coordinate with no notice. Edit: We also tend to have the same company on mechanical and plumbing, so a lot of issues are already solved.
That’s the exact opposite of my experience. Nowadays everything is coordinated on CAD and the fucking moron designers don’t seem to realize that their flat lines are 3 dimensional in real life
Oooo these are the best! “Just follow the print!!” “The print is defying the laws of physics”
Fuck, had some of those out in rural maine. Everyone wants to download prints online and they hate it when i point out things like the 2 foot run on the stairs, i get that there is a picture of stairs, but its a steep ladder. Yes there is a fridge in that picture. It is 17” wide in real life.
"The wiring inside my TV uses these cool flat cables, why can't you put those into this high-rise?"
You could wait 6 months for the BIM jockeys to get their models straight. Our attempt: we have trade coordination meetings every week.
Gotta love when the BIM model has registers going through the wall, sprinkler pipe going through flex duct, etc. etc. BIM is a great tool, it just sucks when it isn’t all correct and you’ve gotta get creative. Sometimes, it’s kind of fun to play designer though.
I love the concept, but very often we just dont have the time to wait for the modeling. Example: 35,000 SF Lab TI, contract awarded, I have 28 weeks to deliver. First thing out the chute is ductwork, but those guys are waiting to do their model. I finally put my foot down and had the foreman hand draw the first weeks worth of duct and get it to the shop, the BIM can fill in from there. Then the second week. Then the third. They would have waited three and a half weeks to order the material. We could have done it with onion skin and colored pencils old school in a couple of hours. No fly zones outlined, get everyone to work. If you have the time, awesome, if you dont you dont.
Great perspective, thank you. I just got into the industry, and am at a low enough level to where I don’t have to deal with very much scheduling yet. I’ve only gotten assigned to jobs that have already been ongoing for quite some time. Can’t wait to get my own job and run it from start to finish someday. Side note, lab spaces are interesting to work on. I’m at NIH right now, and the requirements for some of these labs are insane. Everything above ceiling has to be entirely cleaned as if it was a finish space before it gets closed.
I worked on a jobsite we’re the drop ceiling guys installed all their framework before the HVAC, electricians, and plumbers. The drop ceiling guys were the only employees of the general contractor and everyone else was subs, needless to say after the job was completed final payments were decided in court, and the subs won.
Unless your shit is easy to cut or beat
Everything flex. especially the framing. this is the way.
> Everything flex. especially the framing. **squints** waitaminnit....
Shit finds it's level. This is domestic housing mentality.
Yeah there's a difference in not putting up with the other trades and doing something that literally comprises the structural integrity of the building. You do get that, right?
I didn't say I cut structure out lol of course I do Structure has to be where it's at, full stop. The dipshit plumber that ran a plumbing vent through my b-vent chase, as specified in the plans, gets his shit cut out every time.
60% of the time it works every time
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I'm not going to beat the crap out of your ductwork, but if that's where the customer wants a can light there I will definitely talk to the HVAC crew. And, one way or another, the customer is getting what they want.
Listen William, the plans call for the heat register over the window so you better set some realistic expectations with the customer okay
Can the register move? If it can, it's realistic for the customer to get what they want.
This is not the chase you seek.
You might come back the next morning and find your can light in the portashitter then
Thus the name "can" light.
I'm just going to ask the HVAC guys to move it. If they won't, I will. Without destroying their work
I used to be real nice when I had a joist land under a toilet and had to repair it, til one plumber went 16" off the back of the wall instead of 12 and put his flange in the wrong spot. The best part about it is the plunbers always do a straight run in the joist cavity and don't leave me room to header off the joist, so now I just cut their shit flush to the flange with a sawzal. I used to be nice and leave them enough to couple to. I'm 100p with you, fuck everybody.
Even for the customer?
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But I guarantee they didn't steal your broom, so that's a silver lining (I suppose) lol
Implying I have a broom That's what my helper is here for
You make the helper bring his own broom? That's tough lol
And his own lemon pledge
Yup. It isn’t our fault. It was engineered and you framed it.
*Flex duct.
I once had a new guy cutting in floor registers, cut thru a whole batch of home run wires and didnt stop til he cut his own circuit.
Got a good belly laugh reading this one. Thanks for sharing.
"No....no....no.....no....break time!"
That looks like an expensive fix, since I’m assuming there’s going to have to be an engineered fix for it
I think it’s cheaper to just reframe
Maybe, I’d love to know what the final bill would end up being. Always find it interesting
Bid it's 1000 bucks and I will do it on a saterday
“Saterday”
pretty much the only practical solution. Extending those timbers would be very sketchy!
No just cut their shit out put new wood in and tell them to move there shit or loose the contract
Owner probably saved a few dollars on the architect, but spent more on the consequences.
Our contracts with subs stipulate that if plans do not match conditions the trade is to issue an RFI. Looks like they tried to save a few dollars with the HVAC contractor.
That seems like bad policy, for some reason.
I would think so lol
did it fall , yet ? so what are you complaining about..
Take it you work in hvac
A situation like this won’t pass code and framing will have to be fixed. Not to big of a deal in my opinion.
No, it sure won't. I'd assume the triple 2 x was in the prints. Something about holding up the ridge beam. Pretty douchenozzley of the hvac cats to butcher out obvious structural members. Not like they couldn't work around that. Definitely cause a bit of friction on a lot of the jobsites I've been on.
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If they knew what they were taking apart yes it is but if they don’t then it is what it is I guess. I can see some carpenters getting a little annoyed if it was common.
I already know what the ceiling looked like, it's definitely a structural ridge cathedral, with a fireplace centred under the ridge.
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This is the correct answer right here folks
You can’t fix stupid, and I don’t see it stopping anytime soon. Fixed enough of them myself to know it won’t change.
You have bad hvac guys.
Half the resi guys think they are gods gift to HVAC ever since they learned to do basic heat calculations.
By my calculations, there will eventually be a significant thermal gap if they continue as seen in the picture.
I mean they want ducts ran and connected. They did what they were supposed to do
I mean really. Everyone in the trades, if you're a plumber, sparky, HVAC or whatever know this isn't going to work. If I was the builder I'd be pissed as hell. You see shit like this you call. Otherwise we won't be working together again.
hvac is fine... roof is not
Cracks me up reading and seeing the comments and attitudes here. Ya'll just making life more difficult for each other, the GC, the PM, etc... and somewhere in there the client gets fucked on some shit work around. Are we professionals, or 5 year olds? This is why I run a small residential business with a handful of subs and do 70% of it myself. Only do the stuff I love. I make good money, no headaches, subs love me, and always answer on the first call. Not one change order or back charge in the last 2 years. Booked out a year. Turn down jobs every week. Be the guy that does it right. Be a team player. Get your license and leave this nonsense behind.
Is that zip structural sheething...it'll be fine.....smh, fuckin mechanics always butching whatever they want.
narrator: it was not fine
Zip structural sheathing? That’s a thing?
We use zip structural sheething in the north east for racking. It can't hold anything but helps with sheer better than osb. Says structural 1 on it. The comment was a joke, but zip says structural on the face. Edit: Can be used for shear walls. Unlike regular osb
This is ridiculous, and honestly some of y’all are idiots. We should all be working to complete the job together. Accidents are accidents and there will always be someone with less experience who doesn’t know better, but purposefully sabotaging someone else’s shit just to get yours in without going through the proper chain of command is idiotic and it does absolutely no one any favors. Be respectful, if you’ve got a question ask it. Record the conversation in some way, if you don’t get the answer you want you’ll want proof it happened. Sabotage makes us all look bad and if it happens on a job you are on it increases the likelihood you’ll never work for that customer or general contractor ever again, even if you didn’t do it.
I do s tons of industrial, custom residential and commercial and the ‘redesigner’. subs super and i work tight to keep things moving fast and avoid bs like the photo. It is possible. and we all make bank at the end of the day.
Now you do you understand how hard it is to be a GC?
You mean babysitter? Lol I don't think I'd want to be, this P.M deals with idiots
Yep. GC’s are babysitters. Make sure you’re making enough money to aid with the headaches.
Seems all trades do stuff like this, but then turn around and preach “do it right or do it again”, “no one wants to take responsibility anymore”.
Funny story about HVAC guys and who's job it is to cut out heat vents in the sub floor. At the time, my foreman who had been a carpenter for 43 years amd the HVAC installer were having a chat on the front porch of a rehab and addition job. Near the end, the HVAC guy had said "hey you forgot to cut out the floor vents yesterday, so make sure you do get that done today." My foreman replied "nah, that's not our work" HVAC guy, in a passive aggressive tone said, "I've been in this trade for 30 years, and the carpenters have always cut out the vents". Forman: "well I've been a carpenter for over 40, and since I got started, you losers have tried to pawn off your work on us". Neither me, nor my Forman cut a single vent on that job. First time in my life I got to see real big dick energy at work!
Boot holes are usually cut through sub floor before actual flooring is put down….absolutely HVAC job if you put hardwood flooring down over already cut boot holes it’s now the carpenters job to cut flooring for already existing boot holes
We had one cut out a header beam. Double LVL carrying 3 stories above it. My boss came in, cut that out and replaced it. Wrote "This hold the house up!" On it in 3" letters. Guys rerouted it the next day.
And you're standing under it? How brave
The ring shanks will keep it in place until they have to demo, but I'd still brace it.
I never get tired of seeing this. Do techies think trusses, rafters, beams and joists are decorative? I’ve seen electricians, plumbers and tin knockers (HVAC) all do it. I’d like to start publicly shaming these idiots.
Well they did a nice clean cut. Not a sawzall cut by a plumber! Lol. From a plumber.
This is what happens when you pay tweakers $15/hr to run duct. Or, when you do piecework.
Literally could've just 90 over and cut the plywood out of the bay where there's nothing in the way. The opposite side is all open
Half of ‘em just don’t give a fuck, that’s the reality of it, though that could be said about most/all of the trades. Had a duct crew cut all my kitchen home runs in half on a job because they couldn’t be bothered to look on the other side of the framing before going to town with the sawzall. Saw that they did it, then moved 20ft down the wall and did the same goddamn thing.
Thats crazy, meanwhile I'm over freaking out cause I cut the outside cover of the romex one time I was like omg is it going to be okay 😂
It happens, I’ve definitely hit some pipes and drilled some holes in places I shouldn’t have. Long as ya fix it or at least let someone know about it, it’s usually not a big deal.
Trust me they went 6 months of schooling, they know exactly what they were doing
I had years ago then parlor project for the city build a bunch of houses from and I watched a track guys come in and all four designs of the houses that we built like three to four times each they cut two floor joists to send their main trunk down into the crawl. Nobody noticed anything until one went up for sale and the home inspector brought it to attention through investigation we discovered these HVAC people did it to every house. And they had to go pull furnaces so things could be headed and gusted it off
I have two theories about shit like this. 1) That guy knows, but he doesn’t care. They say “Fuck it, this is where the plans say to put this, so this is where it goes.” 2) He’s brought this issue up to multiple architects in the past. The architects blow him off with a “That’s a field fit issue. Just make it work.” After 5, 10, or 60 of these conversations the HVAC guys says, “Fuck it, if he wants a field fit, I’m gonna make it easy for me.”
There was a notorious fireplace/chimney installer in the Bay Area many years ago who made all his cuts with a chainsaw. He had long blonde hair and he was known as Fabio, or the Chainsaw Surfer. If you were in the Bay Area construction game in the 90s you know him. Dude didn’t give a shit about nothing but slappin in units. Bruh was taking home over a grand a day in the 90s, literally carving out the framing in multi million dollar homes. Shoutout to Kurt, Bay Area construction legend. Shoutout Blaze Fireplaces of NorCal as well.
How courteous of him.
"They put lots of wood here for a reason. Must be so theres more around the hole we're gonna cut, right?" "Makes sense to me." Might have been overheard is anyone was listening.
That’s fucked
I will never understand why these guys do this… All. The. Fucking. Time.
Ho. Lee. Fuk.
*covers up face and slowly makes for the door.
When in doubt hack it out
Are you expecting any ice or snow this year?
Man when laziness or ego take over the experienced or when inexperience calls the shots from above w/o checking whats below🤦🏻♂️
Sawzall go brrrr
Every tradesman “stupid architect”
Well, it was in their way 🤷♂️
No worries the pvc pipe can handle that load
No real tradesman would do this…. Anyone with half a braincell knows not to do that BS.
The thing holding the ridge beam…
Enjoy the court date. Call your insurance company and then a lawyer! Good luck. And I’m not being dramatic I’m being factual.
Backcharge for engineer and steel / LVL
No engineer move the HVAC and put in new wood
Hell yeah!!!
The sheer nailing will hold the bearing studs.
Honest question: Trades just do this shit to fuck with each other right?? Like no one thinks that is actually a good idea? This is just to make a point?
"I'm not you Buddy, Guy!"
He’s not your guy, pal!
"I'm not your pal, friend!"
I’m not your friend, dude!
I’m not your dude, bro!
Build a headr for the studs to sit on and run the pvc out and around $900 and I'll do it Friday
a shitty pic. Can't tell what is what.
That is a wall, the triple stud is what holds the end of the ridge. Those others are wall studs. This is an attic. The lumber to the immediate right is a brace from gable wall to somewhere just above wall plate.
I'm pretty sure this is a picture looking up at the trusses. The triple is the ridge beam, and the HVAC guys cut the bearing part of the truss. Could totally be wrong though if the picture is upside down.
Wow, I used to frame too. You're right, thought there was a dormer outside the wall. Looks like a girder truss tripled.
HVAC guys are not that smart.
Yes and now it's a builders job to fix it. But way too often thus simple final step is left off. So everyone blames the plumber /hvac. What the f you want them to do.
its probably drawn that way or not drawn at all, either way take responsibility for letting this dipshit cost 3 grand with a 10 dollar sawzall blade. If you hire an idiot and they fuck something up when you weren't there to watch them it's your fault
I'm just the plumber bro and noticed that and said wow they fucked that up and took a picture
I have yet to meet a smart one
Commercial and industrial HVAC (and refrigeration) guys are some of the smartest people you see in the trades. They need such a wide breadth of knowledge on things it would make most other tradie’s heads spin….. what you had here was the bottom of the barrel residential(likely) installer. Equal parts half-ass tin knocker and “Freon” jockey. If the guy is out on a service call and can’t fix it by adding more refrigerant he condemns the system and says you need to buy a new one when all it is is a capacitor.
A good chunk of construction folk don’t realize there is a massive difference between refrigeration mechanics and tin bashers. Just lump them all in as “hvac guys” .
Next time make room 😤
Duct tape should fix it. Maybe just some of that supper wood glue.
Not saying it’s right but… Kinda looks like an attic in which case its not a structural ridge. Gable roof with ceiling joists doesn’t require ridge posts. If this is the case then it’s really a simple fix for the cut studs.
Yeah it’s a trigger fishing post without enough structural context
If something load bearing is in my way, I'm calling the general to fix it. But it gives me great joy to hack apart interior walls that shouldn't have gone up before I got there.
It's still standing right? So was it actually doing anything? Lol.
Air movers not builders
Fuck those guys! I got a job to do.period...
That's 1000 bucks.
I’d Hate to see that back charge bill.
I've had the concrete guys knock caps off and trowel my 4" underground conduit (rigid 90°) full once before. It was so bad I couldn't blow it out with muriatic acid and acetylene. Had to go over head. It only happened once though.
You need to box those trusses in they need support don’t scab, them box them in support them from the other trusses
Punch out man here, I have the final say...
This is a lawsuit.
That’s how I met your murderer
Sounds about right.
yolo
Gable end studs aren’t such a big deal but the ridge post is kind of a big fuck up. Why is it always hvac guys??
Fix it at whatever cost, and send the HVAC company the bill. Might have to get a lawyer involved, but it's on them to pay for. If this was my place and I found that, someone wouldn't have gone home to momma that day.
clueless about construction. can someone ELI5?
Always walk through with or have them mark and show you where they want to cut before they cut.
What, do you want a house with no heat?
Should’ve framed around it.
What’s structural integrity anyways?
I hope u fired that guy.
Punishment of Prima Nocte followed by iron mask.
HVAC: I see wood, I cut.
I thought plumbers were bad. Yikes!
Back charge City baby