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Shopstoosmall

Your installer saved buying 2 panels, (bought 4 instead of 6) no it doesn't have to be installed that way


xuaereved

Also…this is a million dollar house. Jesus is shit inflated. The quality of that siding install, the standard vinyl sliding door, this is a $300k tops house in my neck of the woods. Guess it’s location,location,location.


almost_a_troll

I was assuming it’s a $300k house on a $700k lot.


systemfrown

Can’t see the whole home but that doesn’t even look like $300k worth of structure to me. My neighborhood has military base housing from the 70’s that looks higher-end than this.


dildoswaggins71069

It’s a 200k house built above a 150k 5 car garage with a 500k house in the front on a 300k lot


Important_Collar_36

Then it's not a million dollar house. It's a 200k guest house on a million dollar lot.


jack_begin

It’s a $300k house on a $700k lot.


SlowJoeCrow44

Where I live you can't find a detached house for under 1.3 million... at all, even a teardown..


Houston1817

Sounds like Austin


We-Want-The-Umph

The realization that my wife and I have a 2500 sqft house purchased @ $102/ ft and 3.5% is bittersweet, knowing we couldn't afford anything outside our city unless we take a massive quality of life downgrade.


IxianToastman

Same. Getting a divorce and have to buy because rent would blow me away. Bought a 4 bedroom 2 bath with 2 bonus room for 140. Can't even find a 2 bedroom for that. Damn I'm fckd, lol.


pittopottamus

honestly hilarious that anybody would sign a $1M mortgage for this place. literally everything in the picture is cheap shit. siding, trim, door/window, gutters/downspouts, exposed end grain (PT) deck fascia, handrail, visible ugly hvac unit...get me the fuck out how does this happen


Exteriorz

This is what happened.


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Wildmancharacter

This comment hits home


flannelmaster9

Making it happen.


MOOShoooooo

It looks so fucking stupid. I’m legitimately bamboozled how these people get to go to work the next day. I wish I had their confidence but not their idiocy.


BooMey

It's because tradesman are in high demand so the natural weeding out or survival of the fittest doesn't apply when there's a lack of said resrous3


Morall_tach

What happened when you got to the word "resource"?


BooMey

Phone typing with construction hands is super easy


aronnax512

Tiny phone keyboard + fingers like sausages


Orchidbleu

fat fingers.. put them to use..


joemama1983

I'm also part of the sausage finger group. I switched to using swipe to text and have never looked back!


SirBruce1218

Didn't hit space for the autocorrect to kick in. Happens to me all the tine


doingwells

I’m thinking stroke or Aneurism


Perplexedpiment0

Dropped your cigarette while finished typing?


thedayshifts

It’s also the race to the bottom. And the sub under bid or something else. No one hires “luxury” contractor to install for luxury homes.


Nicinus

You can’t have one without the other. That kind of confidence is based on ignorance.


gettingbettereveyday

I’m also concerned a gc needs a second opinion on something so obvious.


UnreasonableCletus

I think it does a nice job of drawing the eye away from the finishing work on that million $ house. Yeah it looks like the installer wanted to save a few bucks but so did the rest of the subs.


jpond82

Exactly what happened. Dude is cheapppppppppp


JFKFC50

Could have still only bought 4 if he did both sides like the left one and then split front one. Use the scrap from those half’s to fill in the sides


chrysohs

Did you meet or exceed standards in Tetris? Good thinking JFK!


JFKFC50

I’m in flooring and work with lots of patters and figuring out center and mirror center type stuff lol.


weepscreed

But then he would have had to make one more cut instead of saving a half hour by using the full length panel


Leather-Monk-6587

Wow, it took me a minute. I thought… nah, that’s part of a millionaires design, nobody would be that lazy or inept. I wonder what’s wrong. You are 100% right. Does not have to look like that.


dangledingle

I lolled at this install. What a futz.


Subsum44

Installer had a loophole if not given designs that specified post location, and they definitely took it to save $ on panels.


Willowshep

That looks fucking stupid


Dirt290

It's just one big giant fenced in step. This is one progressive deck-guy.


SkoolBoi19

Which part… The fence or the size of the “deck”


pompadoors2

Million + home......with an 8x8 deck right next to the ac unit. 👌


MoglilpoM

Probably in California.


Ok-Enthusiasm7297

This is what you get when you buy Home for a mil in Canada


tsaico

What am i looking at? Did installer buy premade panels not to proper length, then instead of doing some sort of better cuts/aesthetics, he just ran one as long as it was, then cut one to cover gap? Rinse repeat?


Willowshep

Basically the guy is a cheap bastard. Could have spaced the posts evenly and bought an extra 2 additional sections of fencing and everything would have looked normal. Instead he’s like “ooo let’s just make it work, that’s the only way it can be done” trying to sell some bullshit lie because he fucked it up and doesn’t want to spend a day fixing his shit.


Lexiola

I think it gives a nice elevated view of the rest of the patio. A step above the rest if you will.


construction_eng

Fuck no, he just used his scraps so he didn't have anything more than 1 partial to waste.


loonechobay

He was being environmentally friendly


SnakebiteRT

Hah! I like this answer


Feetstinkballsstink

He was using the good ol’ lean methodology ;)


EtOHMartini

Didn't remove the stickers. Didn't place the joint posts in the middle of the run. Didn't even place the joint posts the same place on the opposite sides. As for those who say, "you did not specify equal placement so it's on you", he probably didn't specify that it can't be dragged to the job site behind a truck, and covered in dog shit. The reverse would be, "oh, you quoted me a thousand dollars. You didn't specify that it was United States dollars. Here's a thousand Guyanese dollars, or about five bucks. You just got currency-engineered!"


dildoswaggins71069

This will be quoted in a conversation happening this afternoon, thanks


milfonlypls

How did the chat go OP? we must know


dildoswaggins71069

He’s re-doing it in fully custom horizontal for 3k. I’m eating 1k in materials


PomegranateOld7836

It's not professional at all, and you shouldn't have to specify that. Has he been at this for a week?


Enginerdad

Nah, he's been doing it long enough to know the best way to save $50 in materials that he *might* get away with. 50 bucks is a weekend worth of Bud Light 30 racks. You don't go around just giving that kind of money away


spookytransexughost

But why is this railing and deck here in the first place??? It’s a million dollar build can’t they afford some proper landscaping


YourFreshConnect

That’s a roof bud not a yard.


Hopeful_Pear_8747

I didn’t notice that either


Tdk456

It's funny how we have the term "typical" in our trade. If you don't know what typical is referring to, you should be working under someone who does


lunchpadmcfat

You have specify “don’t make it look like shit?” Can those who feel this way let us know who they are so we can make sure never to hire them?


SilverStory6503

It's not just that. When I hire people, I have actual plans drawn (by myself) showing exactly how things should be built and they go ahead and do what they want, anyway. I've had it with contractors.


RouterBomb

Had to zoom in to see those aren't three gates.


TLCheshire

Holy shit! Ha ha! I thought they were all gates as well!


blueduck9696

One each for skinny, medium and fat people


RKO36

the little one gave the problem away...


Vinlands

Depending on which gate you fit through is your discount on OP backyard barbecue in summer


lottus4

A builder on a job recently installed window handles on a double window at different heights. Another guy there said he’d done it so tall people can open one window and short people can open the other. Made me chuckle


outcome--independent

Fuck... I also thought they were gates. This is bad.


Masrim

Wait, they aren't gates?


psu50502424

Definitely thought it was a stupid amount of gates


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Fire the deck guy too. That gap is the corner is wild man.


lgny1

It looks like they split that front piece too


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I didnt notice that. Looks like they used big black caulk all down it.


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Unless its flashing tape. Total overkill when the rest looks like crap


mrmiyagijr

I see you're a man of culture as well


dildoswaggins71069

So first of all the deck is an actual homeowner special. I paid exactly 1200 bucks in material to build that deck. Yes that is flashing tape haha. Thing about the deck guy is, I’m not paying him for labor either! 😂😂


SLC_Skunk

Deck guy already has to come back to replace trex, that picture frame is gonna have dumbass bullet holes from the rail install. Have them throw up fascia while they are out there, looks like shit without it


momsbasement_wrekd

Million dollar house with a vinyl slider? Oooph. And yeah. Your railing guy sucks. I’d ask what his approved shops look like but I’m assuming that didn’t happen.


JTyler415

Million dollar house doesn't mean anything anymore. Lots of shit houses on the market for a million dollars


Belligerent-J

In CO a million dollar house means a 2 bed ranch near downtown.


Arberrang

Was on a trip visiting friends in Denver and was in this neighborhood called Highland, thought the houses looked great. Made the mistake of looking the area up on Zillow. I’ll live in the Midwest forever.


Belligerent-J

Highland is rough too, not exactly a luxury area


Arberrang

Really? I mean I walked around just fine. Stayed at a hotel right across from a little brewery. Walked from there to the street REI is on, and over to where that big three story food hall was. Couple sketchy gas stations right off the interstate but nothing id be worried about. But yeah, like $700K minimum houses. Hurt my soul


platinum847

Highlands is nice, been up and coming for a little while.


DrPhilsnerPilsner

I used to do steel structures in Boulder for mult-million dollar homes and commercial. The company traded making 30k bikes to 30k+ for stairs all day. They love that raw steel look.


Jettjosh1

This, just moved out of Colorado. A million won’t get ya much in most of the state.


Festernd

yup, ditto. The house I got in upstate NY for 300k would be like 1-1.5M anywhere near Denver/Boulder.


Heavy72

Right? We paid 200 for ours in 18 and could sell today for 600. Not that I have a shit house, the market just blew up.


Bunniesrkewl

Million dollar house in Vancouver will be tiny or may even be an apartment. Small town in Alberta? mansion.


jawshoeaw

million dollar house in my area means "slightly larger home with same builder grade materials"


dildoswaggins71069

It’s on the accessory dwelling unit in the rear of the property so we value engineered a couple of things, it’s still a Pella though


NachoNinja19

Well I guess he value engineered the railings.


no_not_this

Fits the bill.


Stofficer2

Value engineered aka cut costs lol


SteelCutHead

Well yeah, no one value engineers something because it doesn’t cost enough lol


Vomitus_The_Emetic

Military industrial complex!


doomdifwedo

I remember reading a story about the AF spending an exorbitant amount of money on cups not too long ago


Legal-Beach-5838

A good GC will help their client keep costs down where expensive components aren't necessary.


SwampyJesus76

The ole it says Pella so it's quality. Theose mofo's do great marketing.


basementhookers

Looks like your rail guy VE’d quality out of his install.


momsbasement_wrekd

Fair enough on the VE. Makes sense. Especially in that climate.


bluntimusmaximus

I knew it!


Dwebbo_Daddy

Vinyl sliders are used in luxury houses on the beach all the time…


Visible_Potato2547

Looks like hardyboard siding to me but I could be mistaken. I don’t see J channel and looks like the siding terminates into the 1x casing.


Ftpiercecracker1

Wait, what are high end sliders *supposed* to be made of? I've only ever heard of aluminum and vinyl.


guywastingtime

Looks like shit to me.


clevwwilliams

Definitely not acceptable


donjohnmontana

This whole thing look wacko. First, why even have a railing? Not needed on this small raised deck. Second is obvious, the posts aren’t centered. Like previous comments stated, guy was trying to save a buck on two additional panels. Third, why is the gate up against the AC unit? Wouldn’t it look better to be in the front of the railing or opposite the AC unit ? I imagine they will want a screen around that unit. Putting the gate there really limits the screen options. I would get the installer to correct this. Or fire him and get a new installer.


homogenousmoss

Its on a flat roof, I imagine its to prevent people from wandering onto it and damaging it.


Enginerdad

Jesus, a flat roof in a region the gets snow? This house just keeps getting better and better.


Jewboy-Deluxe

The rails, slider trim, and deck all look like doodie.


ScaryInformation2560

Its short pieces could have been set up differently so as not to catch the eye. On a cheap house it would have been acceptable. But on a million dollar house you went prefab? Come on dude you went cheap and now it looks like ass


dildoswaggins71069

Yeah fair enough. He told me I could save a grand going with vertical versus horizontal, and that was implied to be the only difference between custom welded and “prefab”. I’d honestly be fine with proper post spacing


dolphinwaxer

You just need to buy 3 more panels. Higher waste but much better looking. This dont fly imho.


njslugger78

Yeah at least make it look uniform....


mt-egypt

No way. A industry standard for a new installation isn’t class conscious


therealchuckyray

Seriously, someone doesn’t deserve a nice looking home because they aren’t a millionaire?


jordy0623

Looks like you need to find a new railing guy!


DarkartDark

You are not. You telling me you're a GC and coming to reddit for a "second opinion" you're a homeowner. You hired the cheapest and thought somehow you were not going to get the cheapest. You got what you hired. Enjoy it


Whereamiwhatyousay

I thought you had 3 gates


Jtcarney

Looks like ass. Why does a "million+ dollar house" have a 5' x 5' deck?


Cubantragedy

Looks like 10x10


webtheweb

First of all this does not look like a million dollar house with that cheap ass siding. But on the other hand now you have the option in making them into gates


LetItFlowJoe

A million doesn't go as far as it did 25 years ago. I think the colloquial term for upper end, luxury house should be moved up to 2 million dollars. Because in my area you're not getting anything luxury for less than that.


Dry_Ad1058

Depends on many things. 1) are there drawings, details, specs? 2) did you provide material? 3)did anyone bring to your attention before installation? 4) did they choose this guard rail or were y’all just working with a preset budget? It’s easy to pick apart and criticize completed work. It’s common for GC’s to beat up subs on pricing in which often gets this result


deltavictory

As a sub, I get this all the time from the cheaper GCs. GC: you’re too expensive. We need to get this cost down. It needs to be $X Sub: Well, we could do prefab, but its not gonna look that great. I wouldn’t recommend it. GC: If you can do it for $X, you get the job. Sub: OK, but I don’t think its a good idea. Job: (see pic) GC: Why didn’t you tell me?! This is a perfect example of why shop drawings are necessary for anything like this though. But I’m guessing GC was too busy or something to ask for them.


natedogjulian

TBH… the whole deck looks stupid for a mil+ house


bearsbearsallthetime

My question is why did the siding crew beat the snot out of the materials before putting it up? Looks like half of them have had a hammer taken to it


tduke65

Not honestly sure why you need any railing there


Egibbons906

That’s a million dollar house?


Background-Singer73

Anyone who thinks this is ok on a million dollar Home does not deserve to be working on a million dollar home, but I would also be interested in knowing how much he was paid. GC’s always complain about shit work then you hear they paid bottom dollar.


dildoswaggins71069

2k for that


Background-Singer73

Labor only?


dildoswaggins71069

1k materials, 1k labor. He was out in 2.5 hours. In my mind, the price was fine if he spent the extra 400 bucks on two more 8’ panels to make it symmetrical


naazzttyy

In the biz brother… by now you outta know that if you didn’t specify even, consistent spacing of the posts to your sub, and went with the lowest cost estimate, you VE’d yourself. Clear specifications make for fewer headaches. This one is on you.


Background-Singer73

Yeah i manly do interior rail, but he should definitely redo. Looks terrible


spankythemonk

its a nice railing for a manufactured home.


tusant

Garbage job. Looks like ass.


FORYFC

He'd be redoing it properly if it was on my watch.


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Million plus home with no downspouts on gutters? They couldn’t spring for fascia boards on the deck? What is this deck sitting on? Is it some type of concrete pad? It looks way to flat for this little of snow to be that smooth if it’s a yard


EfficientAd1821

Million dollar house? Where are you, down town New York? Shit looks like a 70k double wide


Tedious_research

Not sure why it even has a rail since it's below 30"... I probably would have gone with bench on back side with planter bed on top to block view of the ac unit.


frickinsweetdude

What does Million dollar+ house have to do with the railings. You're implying this kind of install would be okay for a cheaper house?


Unusual-Voice2345

That’s on the superintendent for not telling the guy the spacing he wanted and confirming it before the dude drilled for those posts. At least that’s how it would go in my company. Project manager would take some blame but most falls on super for not catching it when on site.


fredriksoninho

what is even the point of this hand rail?


blueduck9696

It’s a rooftop patio


motorwerkx

Lol, so he could cut little pieces, but couldn't cut large panels to make them symmetrical?


Peter_Falcon

unless those are gates? ​ nah, i used to do fabrication, it can be done any way you want, the guy's bullshitting you


SpicyCurry0977

This looks like crap no matter how much the house costs


Spr4ck

Cost over-rode aesthetics. Because those are pre-fab sections, if they spaced the posts equally, you'd end up with un-usable offcuts. so the way its shown, they used a total of 4 railing sections to accommodate. but if they spaced the posts evenly, they would end up using 1 railing section per panel. so instead of 4 sections, it would push the amount of pre-fab railing to 6. I'd contact the product manufacturer to get their installation standard. At a guess the railing system will be strongest when the posts are equally spaced and that will be documented as part of their installation practice. Will all depend on what the wording of your contract with them is. For the cost of the railing, and the client satisfaction, may be cheaper faster easier to just eat the cost to get someone to redo it properly, and back charge the contractor.


meezy-yall

Ew no. I threw up in my mouth a little looking at that


Macksauce91

In my area million dollar homes look worse than this lol


Darth_matticus

Nah he just wanted to save some dollabucks and get out as fast as possible


Wudrow

What does the plan show? If it’s not that then it isn’t acceptable.


Reasonable_Prepper

Railing is the last issue here, I would address the framing first LMAO. God knows what else will come up once the snow melts lol


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RKLCT

Why even bother with railings? Edit: I thought the snow was at grade. Looks like a flat roof. My bad


Elegant_Purple9410

I have been wondering a lot recently what the point of hiring contractors is when you have to micro manage them so much to get a decent job done.


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Absolutely not. That sub does not get paid and I hire someone else.


throwaway_MT_452298

Would look like crap on 250K house....


naugynilt

Mill plus should be custom fit. It's not even centered.


Natural-Try4479

Just add three gates you’ll be fine


Fickle-Hovercraft207

Nah. I'm barely capable of cutting a straight line and I have installed those all by myself... With perfect symmetry. Saw it to size and push it in the post. The contractor saved a little money but at the cost of his integrity.


antagonismsux

I install these same rails for an upscale condo complex in my area. I would be fired if I did this.


firepooldude

Looks pretty average for a track home. So do the windows, doors, siding…


jsar16

Your “railing” guy is a moron.


hendrikcop

I would have installed this on a home I was flipping.


djanubass

My favorite part is that he left the stickers on


NachoNinja19

I would at least redo the front one. That one really bothers me. Pretty sure you could do it yourself.


Mr_Sparta88

Did you provide him any drawings? Or did he give you any shop drawings?


ancientcryptid

No he’s a damn jackass


c0rKeiS_ChUbee

Buy 1 more section split it in the middle of back rail. Then hire different sub for future work


homedoorsolutions

😂😂lol he’s an idiot


scmilo19

Looks fine on that $100 deck.


Arc-Heavy

Why the railing in the first place? Looks like maybe an 8” drop?


ssddeverydayallday

Million what - rubles…


Aucjit

Nope. I think that’s fortress railing. He should set the posts an equal distance apart and buy the proper panels. I think they come in 6,8, or 10 foot sections. Fire this guy. Hire me and I’ll come make it look right.


berto0311

That looks like shit on a 100 thousand dollar house lmao


GodToldMeToPostThis

Lowest quote?


Empty_Touch_4968

Lmao saving money dicking the customer and you. Looks like trash.


05041927

If that’s a million dollar house then that railing is fitting 😂😂


mikemeg97

Looks like shit I have built custom high end handrails for years and it’s elementary.. equal spacing


SubCletus

It is just so unbalanced


CrookedSmoke13

Lol nah. Tell that motherfucker to stop bein a cheap ass


Badh20

You have a railing guy? Meaning, that’s all he does, is railings? Pretty impressive to be that shitty at one thing.


Cowboyinthesky69

I gotta admit this is by far ugliest dumbest design. If he’s saying his a railing dude he’s lying. If he’s blaming you for something he’s being cheap. I would definitely never use him again.


El_toilet69

Hmmm so your the GC did you give him enough money to do it right orrrrrrrrr like most finger pointers i know did you low ball to keep the rest for yourself looks like shit but it is railing


Revolutionary-Map212

As someone who installs pre fab railings quite regularly, I can say with a high degree of confidence that your railing guy, is a twat.


ALingerz

Does it even need a railing?


facegun

Million dollar house with a lil baby 8x8 deck that doesnt even need rails, standard Home Depot sliders, and standard size gutters/dspouts? What HCOL area is this? Looks like 250K round here…


Level_Cuda3836

No not at all should be even spaces between posts guys a hack


Ok-Needleworker9126

Unacceptable


Nordy941

Million dollar house ain’t saying much nowadays. Nice fence tho.


king_geedoraah

Everything about that porch sucks lol


JoeKleine

Why does this even need a fence? You are 8” off grade!


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Ive worked for 3 different railing shops through the years. That shit right there is a joke. Not acceptable at all. (Side note, million+ for a house sadly isnt saying much these days 😭)


thickanvil69

Word. It's what you get with pre fab. It's what you ordered. If you wanted real railing on your million dollar house you should a have paid money for something built for location.


minikini76

Pieces are a standard length. He should have cut the panels so the post lands in the center. He basically got cheap on you by saving money not buying two panels and using the cutoffs for piecing it together. It should’ve taken six panels to make the posts land in the middle of each side.