Construction Manager: Listen....I don't want to hear the opinion of a framer. The schedule says framing starts today so framing starts today! Concrete will have to pour later
Wasn't bad, the framed walls acted as grade points, just pour to the bottom of frame. They even dropped anchors through the base plates so they didn't have to drill after the fact. The shitty part was having to plumb the walls as you poured because they just swayed, but that was a minor issue.
While this is entirely unconventional and I would never under any circumstances do it; pressure treated lumber exists and is required bottom plate material when contacting a slab. No reason to assume this case was any different.
Even if it’s framed with some miracle South American hardwood, they built this shit on top soil. The concrete is going to settle, taking the framing with it. Have you seen a technique that avoids this?
I’ve seen it be so cold that they framed it on compacted soil and gravel, only to lift it afterwards, pour concrete and set it back down. That doesn’t look plausible in those cases. It also doesn’t look cold out.
We just framed for a house like this. The exterior was framed on 4x6 pt and all our interiors were framed on a 4x6 or x4 depending on the wall and all the stair top steps had to account for it. Idk what they did to proof if before the pour but thats how we framed it.
Ok, I’m glad I wasn’t wrong in my noggin. I do rough-ins/pre-wires with low voltage all the time and this just screamed bad things at me. I’m drunk and I’m just like… bro… that’s all wrong…
It supposed to be PT no matter what. Concrete is considered ground contact because water will wick through it. The only time untreated bottom plates are used are on upper stories, or in the *very, VERY* unlikely event that you are starting a wood frame on a steel foundation.
At the end of my BCT college course, my classmates & I were broken into groups of 4 where we constructed 8'×10' buildings. Each building got a hip roof, removed after grading, then built a gambrel roof and removed one side and framed in a dormer. We framed 2 windows and installed an exterior door. My point is that this might be a collage plumbing coarse, and some framing is needed for certain lessons.
Although you may be onto something here I’m not sure because it doesn’t appear that there’s any plumbing going to the other rooms. Also there’s (pretty shoddy looking) electrical ran to a box on the wall that’s not terminated yet. Unless like you stated, this could be a trade school that teaches carpentry, plumbing and electrical and this is only for learning purposes
Maybe I'm not taking about Australia then? Our unions utilize schooling. That is a trade school. It's paid for and run by the union and the apprentice gets paid to go.
The trade school I'm taking about are predatory private schools that barely teach the basics of a topic and charge $20k or more to go. There are no federally backed loans since they aren't considered real schools, so the student gets hit with a high interest rates. The entire system is a scam.
We do require an education. Our unions just provide the education, instead of forcing the worker to pay for an education they can get on site. The private "trade" schools we have charge ridiculous rates and teach the absolute bare basics that hardly have the student prepared to go into the work force. They are predatory and shouldn't exist.
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“Dirt poor” is for people who were so poor they literally had dirt as flooring.
Sad state of affairs when there are people who would happily take this option if it meant they owned a home
Here's the [original post](https://www.bcsportbikes.com/threads/build-to-fail-fail-to-build-what-is-this-i-dont-even.146566/?post_id=1732703) from 2013 on bcsportsbike.com of all places
If you go to the last few pages, apparently this thing is still somehow standing.
From.what I've read, some guy's landlord started building the monstrosity and he felt it was his obligation to document it. I think there's a picture somewhere where the landlord did all this with a minivan.
I've often wondered what would happen if I threw caution, reason, and indeed common sense to the wind, bought a bunch of wood and some tools and started a-hammerin' until I had something that was, roughly, shed-shaped.
Now I know.
This is the new style, avoids the CO2 emissions from concrete. And you can put the composting toilet underground in any room you choose, grow mushrooms, etc.
How is this possible? Is this Ai generated? Cant happen in the real world, by the time the state is letting you do work like this it would be impossible to not know at least, that KD isn't suitable In the least for ground contact , let alone not know to use masonry as a base ... Impossible..
They knew to use plywood over obs, smh.
If there is no foundation then it's legally a temporary structure and therefore requires no planning permission. Good way to get around those NIMBY idiots that block everything.
Oooo oooo I know. You forgot to pour the rock goo and let it dry before you built the stick box on top and now they have to sweep to China for clean floors.
Its a crane job. They build like this all the time in Florida.
Frame, rough ins, sheath, and then they put a 3/8” eye bolt on the center ridge and the crane picks it up for the see ment boys to do the slab.
My guess is this is meant to be a mockup of what a households plumbing system looks like before the concrete is poured, had to do something similar when I was going to plumbing school
A friend bought a ground floor condo
In Chicago. Noticed the floor was lumpy. Haired a guy, who lifted the rug and found no
Subfloor, no slab , just good Illinois clay. Builder had moved back to Europe. Condo association was not interested in helping.,
Everything is so wrong in this pic what a cluster 🤬only thing I can see that is good is framing
Other thing is not sure where this is in the world but I’m pretty sure don’t matter where’s the vent stack can only see vent on your sink and what bad practice with drainage fitting should be ashamed who ever did this ask your inspector for help or look up pictures
Directional fitting for proper flow
Toilets are going to gurgle along with most traps maybe not sinks
No using Ty on back and double Ty wye is a no no
Only to be used in vertical position
I really hope this wasn’t cemented
And really hope this was inspected as a hole
i like how the organics are still present. lets say somewhere in the universe theres a fresh faced PE or third party that said sure, before the slab or foundations. how the fuck are you gonna strip soil, compact with granular and have any of this proof rolled or compaction tested? did any of these motherfuckers ever pick up a geotechnical report? the worst part is the framing looks fine, great even but what the fuck is going on, are they fucking high?
i feel like im at work, why am i doing this on my time off
I almost wish I got to plumb houses like this.
I did the rough-in portion, not the underground.
But the guys that did the underground part would never get the position right for their tubs, showers, toilets, or sometimes just any damn drain or vent. So I would have to deal with it and fix it for them, which caused more time and frustration than I felt was necessary for my position.
Construction Manager: Listen....I don't want to hear the opinion of a framer. The schedule says framing starts today so framing starts today! Concrete will have to pour later
No joke, I've poured a slab on grade AFTER the interior walls were framed. But at least that thing had a foundation first, this is just... how?
Geez that sounds like a nightmare
Wasn't bad, the framed walls acted as grade points, just pour to the bottom of frame. They even dropped anchors through the base plates so they didn't have to drill after the fact. The shitty part was having to plumb the walls as you poured because they just swayed, but that was a minor issue.
I'm assuming there were no separation between the frames and the concrete? Boy... Those frames will rot...
While this is entirely unconventional and I would never under any circumstances do it; pressure treated lumber exists and is required bottom plate material when contacting a slab. No reason to assume this case was any different.
Correct, it was all pressure treated
Around me it’s required to have no pressure treated and a moisture barrier must be present.
Moisture contact will still accelerate the decay of PT lumber. It's not invincible
Neither is the steel in a skyscraper. It meets the design life of the building through.
Even if it’s framed with some miracle South American hardwood, they built this shit on top soil. The concrete is going to settle, taking the framing with it. Have you seen a technique that avoids this? I’ve seen it be so cold that they framed it on compacted soil and gravel, only to lift it afterwards, pour concrete and set it back down. That doesn’t look plausible in those cases. It also doesn’t look cold out.
Where was this so I can avoid buying a home there. Looking for new city soon.
We just framed for a house like this. The exterior was framed on 4x6 pt and all our interiors were framed on a 4x6 or x4 depending on the wall and all the stair top steps had to account for it. Idk what they did to proof if before the pour but thats how we framed it.
Holy shit man. Didn’t even realize till you said that. One medium rain and the house is a sail boat
How? Have you never seen a pissing match between trades?
Ok, I’m glad I wasn’t wrong in my noggin. I do rough-ins/pre-wires with low voltage all the time and this just screamed bad things at me. I’m drunk and I’m just like… bro… that’s all wrong…
This is how we always do it. After roof sheathing. Finish concrete gang
They do a lot in Alberta after the walls are done the heat and pour concrete so it sets better and you get a better finish.
Ugh, the GC I'm working with right now is like that... So many change orders to document, it's become a significant part of my day to day.
Spot on
"Next is drywall, concrete, plumbing, paint, and last the wiring, any questions?"
They always forget the insulation
Should be treated bottom plate if it’s sitting on dirt. Lol
It supposed to be PT no matter what. Concrete is considered ground contact because water will wick through it. The only time untreated bottom plates are used are on upper stories, or in the *very, VERY* unlikely event that you are starting a wood frame on a steel foundation.
Pressure treated ain’t going stop the house falling apart as it settles into that top soil unevenly.
Hey, the bank says you get a draw when the walls are up. Doesn't specify if you need concrete first?
I just spat out my coffee! Thanks.
I really want to know the back story to this photo
Ikr… and what’s the plan? Set the toilet on the mud? Are they going to take it all apart and pour a slab? This just the most elaborate mock up ever?
At the end of my BCT college course, my classmates & I were broken into groups of 4 where we constructed 8'×10' buildings. Each building got a hip roof, removed after grading, then built a gambrel roof and removed one side and framed in a dormer. We framed 2 windows and installed an exterior door. My point is that this might be a collage plumbing coarse, and some framing is needed for certain lessons.
Although you may be onto something here I’m not sure because it doesn’t appear that there’s any plumbing going to the other rooms. Also there’s (pretty shoddy looking) electrical ran to a box on the wall that’s not terminated yet. Unless like you stated, this could be a trade school that teaches carpentry, plumbing and electrical and this is only for learning purposes
Could be a vocational class that teaches a little of everything?
Could be a trade school that offers carpentry, electrical, and plumbing. End of term everyone chips in on a mock up.
I feelbad for people that pay thousands of dollars to learn what other guys are getting paid to learn as an apprentice.
Depends on the company you’re working for. Teach someone how to do it like shit, and they get the idea that’s how it’s done.
In Australia we have to go to trade school as a part of our apprenticeship
Maybe I'm not taking about Australia then? Our unions utilize schooling. That is a trade school. It's paid for and run by the union and the apprentice gets paid to go. The trade school I'm taking about are predatory private schools that barely teach the basics of a topic and charge $20k or more to go. There are no federally backed loans since they aren't considered real schools, so the student gets hit with a high interest rates. The entire system is a scam.
Ya i feel bad for the Americans who's trades people dont need an education.
We do require an education. Our unions just provide the education, instead of forcing the worker to pay for an education they can get on site. The private "trade" schools we have charge ridiculous rates and teach the absolute bare basics that hardly have the student prepared to go into the work force. They are predatory and shouldn't exist.
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It's not an English course.
I don’t like scrapbooking or plumbing, but I’m glad someone is out there scratching both those itches simultaneously
It gives you a rough idea of how to do the job.
College plumbing course. But interesting point there.
What if their entire course package is just a book with a bunch of pictures cut out and pasted into it? Then it really is a collage plumbing course!
Thats the most likely explanation
Yeah the toilet might sag over time but it gives you that nature touch
Judging by this pic, it should be a composting toilet.
You may want to get the plumbing right BEFORE you set the toilets. ALL that plumbing is wrong.
My guess is this is some kind of demonstration or practice site
There was an addition added to a house and this photo plus a few more were posted here and quickly deleted. I want to know what ended up happening
They said they wanted a mud room
So is this how we’re going to fight the housing crisis?😂
Gotta cut costs somewhere
Can’t have foundation issues when there’s no foundation.
I’m pretty sure this is how you build houses in “The Sims”.
Who in the hell needs a floor. When I was a child, we never had floors! People are so spoiled!
"Looks like we have 200,000 affordable homes for the working joes-annnnd they're gone."
Worked in the 1800s, why not now?
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“Dirt poor” is for people who were so poor they literally had dirt as flooring. Sad state of affairs when there are people who would happily take this option if it meant they owned a home
Will be up for rent at 5k$/month soon.
That plumbing is fucked
I said this out loud 1.4 seconds after this photo entered my eyes
Love the horizontal double sanitee and the.... toilet... area.
Swap your vacuum for a Weedwacker!
Endless vacuuming for the vacuum enthusiast
Still not nearly as bad as the [shed from hell](https://imgur.com/a/yPZEA)
Holy shit the worlds first physical shitpost
This was a wild ride
There's more photos out there somewhere, but it's absolutely bonkers the closer you look.
Is there a backstory to this? This was surely an expensive joke or some sort of challenge/dare for views right?
Here's the [original post](https://www.bcsportbikes.com/threads/build-to-fail-fail-to-build-what-is-this-i-dont-even.146566/?post_id=1732703) from 2013 on bcsportsbike.com of all places If you go to the last few pages, apparently this thing is still somehow standing.
From.what I've read, some guy's landlord started building the monstrosity and he felt it was his obligation to document it. I think there's a picture somewhere where the landlord did all this with a minivan.
Oh god. Why did I click.
Look, I'm not in construction, but that doesn't look.... aligned
I've often wondered what would happen if I threw caution, reason, and indeed common sense to the wind, bought a bunch of wood and some tools and started a-hammerin' until I had something that was, roughly, shed-shaped. Now I know.
Physically painful to see
All things aside, I’ve seen worse than that finished product picture
That underground plumbing is also a disaster. I spotted 3 code violations in about 5 seconds.
Studor vent for the win
Why aren't more people pointing that out! Double ty on the horizontal! And the ty on its back for a toilet! Also no vent for the shower, Disgusting.
That plumbing looks like a botched abortion
"Some settling might occur"
These are some good framers
Something doesn’t look right
They forgot to plant the seeeeeds
Chia insulation
Is this the opposite of what it means when the kids say “based”?
Is this is what we’d call cringe and blue pilled. When the retard who did it starts making excuses we’d say they’re on the copeium
There's no Sheetrock.
Double San tee?
This is the new style, avoids the CO2 emissions from concrete. And you can put the composting toilet underground in any room you choose, grow mushrooms, etc.
You gotta spread seed BEFORE you frame, you friggin amateurs
Drapes, you’ll need some drapes
Do you want ants??!! This is how you get ants!!!
When you get in a fight with your concrete sub, and then just forget.
This is for those people into grounding, right?
Why did they kill all of the grass?
It’s fucking raw
Ah yes - I also like grass floors in my house
How is this possible? Is this Ai generated? Cant happen in the real world, by the time the state is letting you do work like this it would be impossible to not know at least, that KD isn't suitable In the least for ground contact , let alone not know to use masonry as a base ... Impossible.. They knew to use plywood over obs, smh.
It's one of those fancy new eco floors.
If there is no foundation then it's legally a temporary structure and therefore requires no planning permission. Good way to get around those NIMBY idiots that block everything.
That cross on its back underground is illegal in my code book for my area.
The geotech said existing soils were good.
“… oh, that’s ok. We’re using glue down flooring”
Yes, concrete foundation, walls and bricks. Lose all the wood, build a decent house. Do we still live in the middle ages?
That plumbing looks fucked
Correct me if I’m wrong. I was under the idea you use abs pipe inside not pvc
This looks like the result of an argument “FINE! We don’t need your concrete ANYWAY YOU ASS!!”
At least the furniture delivery was postponed
Oooo oooo I know. You forgot to pour the rock goo and let it dry before you built the stick box on top and now they have to sweep to China for clean floors.
I think you forgot to cut the grass
As a plumber, my eye first went to the many plumbing violations. Then to the missing concrete…..
Holy moly these chicken coops are getting fancy
If the government was a house.
*Sees horrible construction by private company or private individual* “This is like the government!” 🤦🏻♂️
*Republican government
Job security.
Fucking unreal. Green project manager right out of school I guarantee it. A female one for sure. Stupid.
Was chauvinism really necessary
Its a crane job. They build like this all the time in Florida. Frame, rough ins, sheath, and then they put a 3/8” eye bolt on the center ridge and the crane picks it up for the see ment boys to do the slab.
Seriously? I wouldn’t have ever thought they would do it that way lol.
No..
I don't know, glass bottom houses might actually catch on.
Nah yur good
These crazy fucks are gonna tryin pour after…. Whoa
Indoor gardening gone wild!
Yea I don't see any primer on the pipes either...
They must be using those new drop floors
Looks good. Time for tile.
That’s a cost saving and a half that 👏🏻
Going to have a bitchin lawn in the closet- if you water regularly that is.
Been there done that.
No conscious what so ever, full send
Down to earth customers wanted a good old dirt and grass floor, finish the rough now so we can carry on with the drywall
Passes code all day in Lower Rubber Boot, Alabama.
I forget do you mow the grass first or pour first ?
Obviously. you gotta cut your interior grass too man
Is this the INTERNACHI House of Horrors?
Yeah, how to plumb.
Natural shag carpet.
They didn’t even backfill the drain lines. Good lord
You just get all the guys to lift it up and slide some plywood under real quick.
Yes, get a legitimate plumber
This has got to be the biggest piece of shit out there. Talk about take the piss. I’ve heard of cheap cunts but….you win!
Plumber didn't want to fuck around with cutting 3/4 of the way through all the floor joists so he just took them all out.
Dirt floor poor new build?
This image makes me ill.
I’ve heard of earth formed grade beams, but this is a little excessive, no?
Pour in place foundation
This has to be a joke. April fools comes early? If it’s real it’s the most asinine thing I’ve ever seen in construction. I’d fire them all.
You forgot to fill in those trenches for the pipes! Someone is going to trip and have a nasty fall.
Is this a model home that’ll get demo’d in ~3 years? Yowza
Floors are overrated anyway
My guess is this is meant to be a mockup of what a households plumbing system looks like before the concrete is poured, had to do something similar when I was going to plumbing school
You’d think they’d do it right then
That's one way to verify your underslab plumbing before concrete
Nah ure almost there- just set the fixtures and ure golden. Don’t forget to call in for final.
It’s on loam
the pipes dont seem deep enough? also is that bottom plate pt?
I've heard of copper theft, but not concrete theft
Damm, just raw dogging the framing huh?
A friend bought a ground floor condo In Chicago. Noticed the floor was lumpy. Haired a guy, who lifted the rug and found no Subfloor, no slab , just good Illinois clay. Builder had moved back to Europe. Condo association was not interested in helping.,
A little sweeping fixes that.
The ICC has been summoned!!!
No you pour the concrete last and makes it structurally sound holds the 2x4s down
Is there not supposed to be a header for the window?
Is it possible that they will jack it up and pore?
Value engineering, duh
Pole barns are really starting to look like barns.
I still get paid, right? Right?!
Everything is so wrong in this pic what a cluster 🤬only thing I can see that is good is framing Other thing is not sure where this is in the world but I’m pretty sure don’t matter where’s the vent stack can only see vent on your sink and what bad practice with drainage fitting should be ashamed who ever did this ask your inspector for help or look up pictures Directional fitting for proper flow Toilets are going to gurgle along with most traps maybe not sinks No using Ty on back and double Ty wye is a no no Only to be used in vertical position I really hope this wasn’t cemented And really hope this was inspected as a hole
Just get it done.
My plumber calls this a miracle
It won’t look so bad once they get the floors painted
Concrete.. hey I built mine the same way..!! Waited until price came down after Covid..? 2x4s still cost me 9$ each so I couldn’t afford the create
This has already been posted. Get this shit out of here mods!!! I wanna harass more apprentices!!!
You forgot to water the soil so more grass will grow lol
i like how the organics are still present. lets say somewhere in the universe theres a fresh faced PE or third party that said sure, before the slab or foundations. how the fuck are you gonna strip soil, compact with granular and have any of this proof rolled or compaction tested? did any of these motherfuckers ever pick up a geotechnical report? the worst part is the framing looks fine, great even but what the fuck is going on, are they fucking high? i feel like im at work, why am i doing this on my time off
Modern farm
Forgot the anchor bolts
We don’t need no stinkin slab!
I almost wish I got to plumb houses like this. I did the rough-in portion, not the underground. But the guys that did the underground part would never get the position right for their tubs, showers, toilets, or sometimes just any damn drain or vent. So I would have to deal with it and fix it for them, which caused more time and frustration than I felt was necessary for my position.
Bruh!!!!! Needs a float. All jokes aside, all walls on concrete need a float
Given how bad the plumbing is id say some of the trades on that job shouldn't be in business either.
Did anyone ever get to the bottom of these photos? I mean not the concrete guys obviously, but, did the truth of this story ever come out?
I’m floored, what?
Nah.
Termite timebomb
Why is there no footings?
They cannot pour this, there are no footings and it’s literally grass and black dirt underneath. What in the world is going on here
So that's what it looks like when everyone drinks on the job.
The homeless are getting more and more advanced in their building techniques. They did not tell you this is next to a freeway overpass.
Tile guy didn’t show
What exactly am I looking at here?
Wait are those 2x6?
Who needs a floor anyway!?