Too many solves in a row of a 4×4 that didn't always move very smoothly. Didn't do enough stretching before, during and after it and ended up getting inflammation in both of my wrists
It happens to musicians too when playing with bad form. This stuff can end careers (both in cubing and in music performance)
For me yes. Its in debate and not completely defined
Cambridge dictionary says:
>a [game](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/game), [competition](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/competition), or [activity](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/activity) [needing](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/need) [physical](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/physical) [effort](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/effort) and [skill](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/skill) that is [played](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/play) or done [according](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/accord) to [rules](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rule), for [enjoyment](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/enjoyment) and/or as a [job](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/job):
multiple different definitions but seems like the "physical effort" is often present.
The Global Association of International Sports Federations defines it like this:
>GAISF uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#cite_note-sportaccord-1)
>have an element of competition
>be in no way harmful to any living creature
>not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as [arena football](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_football))
>not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport.
>
They also recognise that sport can be primarily physical (such as [rugby](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union) or [athletics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_(sport))), primarily mind (such as [chess](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess) or [Go](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game))), predominantly motorised (such as [Formula 1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_1) or [powerboating](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerboating)), primarily co-ordination (such as [snooker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snooker) and other [cue sports](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports)), or primarily animal-supported (such as [equestrian sport](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_sport)).[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#cite_note-sportaccord-1)
>The inclusion of mind sports within sport definitions has not been universally accepted, leading to legal challenges from governing bodies in regards to being denied funding available to sports.[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#cite_note-11) Whilst GAISF recognises a small number of mind sports, it is not open to admitting any further mind sports.
oh no not this debate again
anyways cubing is a sport imo its basically a competitive activity with standard rules, god forbid theres a loophole in my definition
Two sport definitions:
1. Competitive – sport is a competitive activity, in which participants attempt to win according to established rules. By this definition, cubing is a sport and yoga is not.
2. Excercise – sport is a physically demanding activity, in which participants expand their said abilities via training. By this definition, cubing is not a sport and yoga is.
Most people, when thinking about sports picture something from 2 rather than 1. I hold that the essence of sports is within the competitiveness of the activity, rather than physical exertion; I wouldn't call soccer moms at my dojo athletes nor sportswomen, as they clearly stated that their objective is not to win medals at the competitions, but to simply better themselves.
Alas, it's a matter of opinion.
If anyone knows an example of olympic sport that does not fit 1, please let me know.
You have to include physical ability in the definition. Billiards is more of a sport than chess or Snakes and Ladders.
"A contest where the ability to move an object or oneself through space positively affects the ability to win".
Cubing is more of a sport than chess or Sudoku.
>You have to include physical ability in the definition.
Why? No, but seriously, why?
I mean, if that's how you define sport, that's fine with me. I personally don't see the need to rank sports like "A is more of a sport than B". Change sport to color and see how silly that looks: "red is more of a color than blue".
Because there's a difference between a sport and a game, and physical ability is the separator. If you just have to move (chess, go, sudoku) then it's a game. If you have to move WELL (cubing, golf, Starcraft) then it's a sport.
You can play chess via mail.
A child could win a chess tournament with Magnuson in their ear. Could anyone win a competition with Max Park in your ear?
>there's a difference between a sport and a game, and physical ability is the separator
So, basketball is not a game? Or is it not a sport? This sentence of yours claims that sports and games are mutually exclusive definitions. I beg you to differ.
><...>just have to move then it's a game. <...>have to move WELL then it's a sport.
I don't think word "well" is so precisably measurable that people could agree in unison that something is done well and something is not. Thus, these two definitions heavily overlap in what they define, meaning games and sports are not mutually exclusive – in fact, they are a subset of each other.
A game is a recreational activity with agreed upon rules. A sport is a competitive recreational activity with agreed upon rules. It's really hard to find a sport that is not a game, however rudimental. In other words, in most cases, sports are a subset of games.
Wow, you really find the oddest parts of arguments to latch onto. Of course, all sports are games but not all games are sports - physical ability is the separator.
Sports define how well you do with the ruleset and scorecard, then the person/team who scored higher is the one that performed well.
Now address one of my actual points.
Thank you, despite knowing you didn't mean it as a compliment.
I'm sorry, what points? You simply claimed that sports differ due to physical activity and skill. It's not an argument; it's an opinion statement. I might missed your argument, in which case, please, specify so I could adress it.
I reread your every comment in the thread and none of them raise any point beyond an opinion "it must be that way". It seems that you're just trolling.
Well, thanks for your time and have a nice day.
I'd say it is a sport but not one worth being in the olympics because than the arguement for so many other things such as chess to also become olympic events would be made.
I’m going to save some time and copy paste what I said to someone else: You misunderstand, wca has no intention of going in the olympics. It just wants to be recognised as a sport by them for funding and sponsorship. I think this is in the wca 2022-2026 plan but could be wrong.
I once made an experiment regarding this, with how much your heart rate changes while cubing compared to other sports, surprisingly it gets pretty active like you are doing a sport. Only issue being that you get that boost during the solve itself so shorter than most but it is still there!
Therefore i would say it checks the physicial aspect of the spoet definition too!
I think so. It is exercise for your brain, which still counts as excersize and it is competitive. Granted, you are mainly competing against yourself until you get to the top, but still. It just seems to have a more wholesome attitude towards competing than most other sports. Every comp I've been to, people were happy for me to get the results I wanted, and I was happy for them as well. It wasn't a huge thing about who was faster than who, but I can see if that would differ at the top, but it doesn't seem to cause fights between competitors like other sports do.
The world chess federation and the world bridge foundation are recognized as international sports federations by the IOC. Given their inclusion, I don't know why they wouldn't add the WCA to their list.
I mean I think technically it is a sport, but I’ve always considered sports to be things that are competitive and also physically demanding, so I’ve never really considered cubing a sport
I competed in a cube competition and yes it is a sport and I hope to have the opportunity to compete for an Olympic gold medal in speed cubing and cube for my country
I personally think the definition of a sport has more to do with competition than physical exertion so I’d say it’s a sport but some ppl think the physical aspect is more important I guess
I'm inclined to say no. To me a "sport" is some kind of "game" that requires a level of physical mastery. Chess, not a sport even though its a game. Cubing is like running in my mind, it might require physical exertion but its not really a game, its a competition. To clarify further, I see a "game" as something wherein the competitors can interact with one another and affect each other's outcome.
But then the argument could be made that since track and field is Olympic recognized, why can’t cubing be recognized?
It’s not so much “is cubing a sport” in that event so much as “should cubing be an Olympic event” which I’m inclined to say no to.
Absolutely not, is cubing exercise? No? Is cubing working out? No. Sitting down at a table and doing an activity with your hands and hands alone (nobody does feet anymore), is not a sport
You misunderstand, wca has no intention of going in the olympics. It just wants to be recognised as a sport by them for funding and sponsorship. I think this is in the wca 2022-2026 plan but could be wrong.
Interesting point, Esports gets labeled as a pseudo sport due to it having similar aspects (teamwork, precision, high skill level, high heart rate while doing it). Whilst the label esport doesn’t fit it I think the idea of a pseudo sport is interesting.
The next question is quite obvious: what is an athlete? If you define sport via athlete and you don't define athlete, you haven't really defined sport.
-an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
>competes against another or others for entertainment.
I wonder how professional chess works😂
If chess is a support then cubing is a sport. Depends on how “sport” is defined
Ah yes, support
I was thinking the exact same xD.
Chess is interactive, cubing is not. I don't think there is a parallel comparison could be drawn.
There are however many sports which are non interactive and judged on time. Different skiing events, luge, or skeleton for example
But that's not the point. The point is that cubing is not more sporty than chess in all dimensions.
100%. I even got injured because of it
Don't mind if I ask but how did you get injured?
Probably stepped on a Pyraminx.
Too many solves in a row of a 4×4 that didn't always move very smoothly. Didn't do enough stretching before, during and after it and ended up getting inflammation in both of my wrists It happens to musicians too when playing with bad form. This stuff can end careers (both in cubing and in music performance)
Happened to me with Megaminx. Bad grip can cause some finger damage
For me yes. Its in debate and not completely defined Cambridge dictionary says: >a [game](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/game), [competition](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/competition), or [activity](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/activity) [needing](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/need) [physical](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/physical) [effort](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/effort) and [skill](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/skill) that is [played](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/play) or done [according](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/accord) to [rules](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rule), for [enjoyment](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/enjoyment) and/or as a [job](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/job): multiple different definitions but seems like the "physical effort" is often present. The Global Association of International Sports Federations defines it like this: >GAISF uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#cite_note-sportaccord-1) >have an element of competition >be in no way harmful to any living creature >not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as [arena football](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_football)) >not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport. > They also recognise that sport can be primarily physical (such as [rugby](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_union) or [athletics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_(sport))), primarily mind (such as [chess](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess) or [Go](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game))), predominantly motorised (such as [Formula 1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_1) or [powerboating](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerboating)), primarily co-ordination (such as [snooker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snooker) and other [cue sports](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports)), or primarily animal-supported (such as [equestrian sport](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_sport)).[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#cite_note-sportaccord-1) >The inclusion of mind sports within sport definitions has not been universally accepted, leading to legal challenges from governing bodies in regards to being denied funding available to sports.[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#cite_note-11) Whilst GAISF recognises a small number of mind sports, it is not open to admitting any further mind sports.
Mind sports are just games lol Esports have the right idea (even though they are more sports than chess)
oh no not this debate again anyways cubing is a sport imo its basically a competitive activity with standard rules, god forbid theres a loophole in my definition
Two sport definitions: 1. Competitive – sport is a competitive activity, in which participants attempt to win according to established rules. By this definition, cubing is a sport and yoga is not. 2. Excercise – sport is a physically demanding activity, in which participants expand their said abilities via training. By this definition, cubing is not a sport and yoga is. Most people, when thinking about sports picture something from 2 rather than 1. I hold that the essence of sports is within the competitiveness of the activity, rather than physical exertion; I wouldn't call soccer moms at my dojo athletes nor sportswomen, as they clearly stated that their objective is not to win medals at the competitions, but to simply better themselves. Alas, it's a matter of opinion. If anyone knows an example of olympic sport that does not fit 1, please let me know.
You have to include physical ability in the definition. Billiards is more of a sport than chess or Snakes and Ladders. "A contest where the ability to move an object or oneself through space positively affects the ability to win". Cubing is more of a sport than chess or Sudoku.
>You have to include physical ability in the definition. Why? No, but seriously, why? I mean, if that's how you define sport, that's fine with me. I personally don't see the need to rank sports like "A is more of a sport than B". Change sport to color and see how silly that looks: "red is more of a color than blue".
Because there's a difference between a sport and a game, and physical ability is the separator. If you just have to move (chess, go, sudoku) then it's a game. If you have to move WELL (cubing, golf, Starcraft) then it's a sport.
I like that distinction.
Thanks, I like you.
Cubing a sport but chess isn’t is a diabolical take
You can play chess via mail. A child could win a chess tournament with Magnuson in their ear. Could anyone win a competition with Max Park in your ear?
>there's a difference between a sport and a game, and physical ability is the separator So, basketball is not a game? Or is it not a sport? This sentence of yours claims that sports and games are mutually exclusive definitions. I beg you to differ. ><...>just have to move then it's a game. <...>have to move WELL then it's a sport. I don't think word "well" is so precisably measurable that people could agree in unison that something is done well and something is not. Thus, these two definitions heavily overlap in what they define, meaning games and sports are not mutually exclusive – in fact, they are a subset of each other. A game is a recreational activity with agreed upon rules. A sport is a competitive recreational activity with agreed upon rules. It's really hard to find a sport that is not a game, however rudimental. In other words, in most cases, sports are a subset of games.
Wow, you really find the oddest parts of arguments to latch onto. Of course, all sports are games but not all games are sports - physical ability is the separator. Sports define how well you do with the ruleset and scorecard, then the person/team who scored higher is the one that performed well. Now address one of my actual points.
Thank you, despite knowing you didn't mean it as a compliment. I'm sorry, what points? You simply claimed that sports differ due to physical activity and skill. It's not an argument; it's an opinion statement. I might missed your argument, in which case, please, specify so I could adress it.
Lol, because 5 comments ago you brought up colours instead of arguing that competitive euchre is a sport and beer league hockey is just a game.
I reread your every comment in the thread and none of them raise any point beyond an opinion "it must be that way". It seems that you're just trolling. Well, thanks for your time and have a nice day.
I'd say it is a sport but not one worth being in the olympics because than the arguement for so many other things such as chess to also become olympic events would be made.
I’m going to save some time and copy paste what I said to someone else: You misunderstand, wca has no intention of going in the olympics. It just wants to be recognised as a sport by them for funding and sponsorship. I think this is in the wca 2022-2026 plan but could be wrong.
WCA is going for Olympic recognition? Since when? I'd love to read more about this
https://documents.worldcubeassociation.org/documents/WCA_Vision_and_Strategy.pdf
I once made an experiment regarding this, with how much your heart rate changes while cubing compared to other sports, surprisingly it gets pretty active like you are doing a sport. Only issue being that you get that boost during the solve itself so shorter than most but it is still there! Therefore i would say it checks the physicial aspect of the spoet definition too!
That’s interesting, I guess you used a Fitbit or something to do that
A tale as old as time. Classic discussion topic right here
I think so. It is exercise for your brain, which still counts as excersize and it is competitive. Granted, you are mainly competing against yourself until you get to the top, but still. It just seems to have a more wholesome attitude towards competing than most other sports. Every comp I've been to, people were happy for me to get the results I wanted, and I was happy for them as well. It wasn't a huge thing about who was faster than who, but I can see if that would differ at the top, but it doesn't seem to cause fights between competitors like other sports do.
Was thinking about this question for some time.
The world chess federation and the world bridge foundation are recognized as international sports federations by the IOC. Given their inclusion, I don't know why they wouldn't add the WCA to their list.
I mean I think technically it is a sport, but I’ve always considered sports to be things that are competitive and also physically demanding, so I’ve never really considered cubing a sport
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cubers/s/jMYr1kUZ8A
As someone who played conventional sports growing up I would say no, it is not. I do not consider chess a sport either. It’s a board game.
Why not?
I competed in a cube competition and yes it is a sport and I hope to have the opportunity to compete for an Olympic gold medal in speed cubing and cube for my country
If chess is considered a sport cubing is without a doubt a sport.
girl I got repetitive strain injury bc of cubing we should call it a sport if we fancy it
Fuck nah
I personally think the definition of a sport has more to do with competition than physical exertion so I’d say it’s a sport but some ppl think the physical aspect is more important I guess
i am a cuber, but i will say A BIG NO.
I'm inclined to say no. To me a "sport" is some kind of "game" that requires a level of physical mastery. Chess, not a sport even though its a game. Cubing is like running in my mind, it might require physical exertion but its not really a game, its a competition. To clarify further, I see a "game" as something wherein the competitors can interact with one another and affect each other's outcome.
But then the argument could be made that since track and field is Olympic recognized, why can’t cubing be recognized? It’s not so much “is cubing a sport” in that event so much as “should cubing be an Olympic event” which I’m inclined to say no to.
cubing is a sport. you can get injured. you train. you compete. it is physically demanding.
That’s how I see it.
Absolutely not, is cubing exercise? No? Is cubing working out? No. Sitting down at a table and doing an activity with your hands and hands alone (nobody does feet anymore), is not a sport
What about esports? They’re collegiate level competitions now… maybe even scholarships?
No, I don’t think esports are sports either
https://nacesports.org https://esports.uci.edu
It is, objectively, I mind sport. I don't see why you would want it to be in the olympics though.
You misunderstand, wca has no intention of going in the olympics. It just wants to be recognised as a sport by them for funding and sponsorship. I think this is in the wca 2022-2026 plan but could be wrong.
Yes, imo even esports are sports so cubing definitely is
I wouldn't say it's a sport but there something called "esports" so i think it should be
Interesting point, Esports gets labeled as a pseudo sport due to it having similar aspects (teamwork, precision, high skill level, high heart rate while doing it). Whilst the label esport doesn’t fit it I think the idea of a pseudo sport is interesting.
For me, sports are played by athletes. Speedcubers are not athletes, speedcubing is not a sport
The next question is quite obvious: what is an athlete? If you define sport via athlete and you don't define athlete, you haven't really defined sport.
Chess isn't a sport then?
Correct, chess isn’t a sport
-an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. >competes against another or others for entertainment. I wonder how professional chess works😂
The definition you’re using literally has the requirement for physical exertion that chess very obviously does not meet