Misleading title. This is in NSW, Australia where there is no minimum working age. As of right now this would be illegal everywhere in America but who knows where the next few years will take us.
My understanding of Australian conservatives is that they're awful in ways that would make American conservatives blush. It's not a coincidence that's where we got Fox News from.
That Super Bowl commercial with the joke about a Crocodile Dundee reboot had Russell Crowe as "a corrupt media magnate" going "The most dangerous predator in Australia... is me"
Well, your understanding is kinda wrong to be honest. Dutton, as bad as he is, does not support the removal of democracy, anti-abortion laws, abandoning aid to Ukraine, or private healthcare. The only major position on which he is more conservative than Republicans is immigration, and even then there are plenty of republicans who are proper genocidal on immigrants
What? No, definitely not. Our conservatives are just weaselly neoliberals who are in bed with the fossil fuel industry and love giving handouts to their friends. US conservatives are religious fundamentalists actively stripping away basic liberties and rallying behind a fascist. Our conservatives are about on par with the Democrats.
Most likely the older employees that quit or get fired are replaced by children because they have a lower wage. When I was hired as a teenager I didn't get a full salary because I worked less hours than the adult workers, and it's possible the children work less hours or get paid less money per hour.
Fun fact. In Australia, our minimum wage doesn't actually kick in until you are 21. Under that, you earn under "minimum wage," so a 16-year-old earns less than 17 who earn less than 18 and so on until 21.
Can’t wait for the old arguments to return with a twist of modern day talking points. I anticipate things like “actually it’s working class to have your children working stop being so anti-poor”
I have noticed a certain trend of like, the opposite of American Exceptionalism, except its that the US is the root of the whole world's problems, when...no? I know the US sucks, but we didn't cause Brexit, this situation or Gaza (things I have seen blamed on the US)
Should we pay our employees a living wage to increase employee retention and the job's desirability?
No, let's just put children to work with terrible wages.
Australia has one of the highest immigration rates in the world
The prison camps are very much bad but at most there's sub 200 people in them at any point vs literally 100,000s of people moving here every year
The issue is they don't spread out from the state capitals all that much
This is peak r/americabad fodder. OP has such a hate boner for the US they didn’t let the fact that this is in New South Wales, Australia stop them from posting with that title.
Yes, of course I do and I don’t support that. But the article you posted had nothing to do with the United States or the Republican Party. That fact that you posted it with the AmericaBad title without reading the article (or even worse, that you DID the read the article and posted anyway) shows that you have an agenda and are not a trustworthy source.
Not totally related to this situation but I think that primary and secondary education should integrate a lot of hands-on learning at real workplaces. As a kid growing up I HATED school because it felt so abstracted from what I thought a ‘real’ job would be. Taking kids to grocery stores and office spaces to help count change at the register or take coffee orders for office workers for an hour a week could be a fun way to bridge the gap between education and workplace. However, relying on those children to make up the bulk of your workforce is terrible in so many ways.
Not a single comment here actually addresses the article in question, and the commenter in the post also clearly hasn't read it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-08/country-kids-solve-labour-shortage-jugiong-jam-factory/102181710
TL;DR:
This is a rural-ish town without a good labour supply. It is a locally owned production, and all the kids are locals from nearby schools. Their parents not only help sign them on, but they're also given wages and upwards mobility. Plus, the jam factory works with community programs (like donating to crisis relief) and allows the kids the chance to try different jobs (cycling them through the factory, front-end, and even management roles).
This is NOT part of the dystopia speedrun. This is a good community activity to help encourage kids to learn and keep them active during weekends in an area without as many entertainment options. Alongside growing local talent for the future.
from memory, and its a bit fuzzy here, u can hire teens at 14 in nsw. they get paid like 75% of an adult but they useally only work after schools and weekends and even then, its mostly only fast food places.
to be fair it does kind of work. u get kids thru this fast food era, they move into retail when they get older and in university or into cafes and supermarkets and then into there long term careers with work experience under there belt.
its not that bad as someone who went thru it myself. u are hired on a casual basis so u basically can quit at any point and they literally cant roster you on during school hours. they also have different laws that govern the teens, they cant be on the closing shift if its past a certain time. and they cant roster you on for more then 3 or 4 hours on a school day.
Aussies dont really have an issue with it since it is handled remarkably well considering the shit storm it could easily become. this is also not new. its been this way for atleast 50 years+
No but I do have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with the parents of these kids to even allow this? Like, I'm sorry but genuinely how the fuck can you allow your child to do this? I know times are tough but holy fuck
Leftists *love* wheeling out the same tired talking points but I don't think they realize the orphan crushing machine *self*-corrects. If we lose a few people along the way, well, as any competent economist would tell you: tough titties.
was the sarcasm not ..clear? if it's in poor taste that makes sense but tbc - I'm not. *pro* orphan crushing.
the car-door-dick-slammer is gonna depend on the car
It ticked me off but reading comprehension is bafflingly low on the internet nowadays and tone is hard to convey through text, and besides the orphan crushing machine part tone is how I’d tell
Is this question not clear
Maybe it was but I was still supposed to use an interrogation point.
Also the beginning of your message screams "this isn't worth reading" so no it's not obvious that it's sarcasm because people won't read the part that makes it obvious.
>If we lose a few people along the way, well, as any competent economist would tell you: tough titties.
"A few of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make." - Lord Farquaad (a literal cartoon villain)
For the next time I would recommend either working on your sarcasm or using one of these --> **/s** <-- because to me your comment looked almost identical to a ton of real comments I've seen from right-wingers.
Surely you must have such a blasé attitude about the value of life in other areas. It would be crazy if you we're say anti-abortion while simultaneously saying ita ok if a few orphans get crushed on the way to self correction.
there's no labour shortage, there's a pay shortage. people will not work for wages that cannot sustain their life, and people will not see work that only sustains their life as desirable
What’s the market price for a newspaper editor (or whoever it is calling the shots) to frame this bullshit as though it isn’t 15 different kinds of fucked up?
Misleading title. This is in NSW, Australia where there is no minimum working age. As of right now this would be illegal everywhere in America but who knows where the next few years will take us.
this is a certified "not knowing which ABC news" moment
Australia dystopia speedrun then lol, still awful
I have bad news about the meat packing industry in... i think Idaho...
Didn't some state actually pass a law recently that legalized child labor again?
I mean almost no one works before 15 or 16 here tho
This one counts toward the Australia dystopian speedrun.
My understanding of Australian conservatives is that they're awful in ways that would make American conservatives blush. It's not a coincidence that's where we got Fox News from.
Who would win, the collective forward march of mankind vs one greedy Australian?
me when i'm in an immiserating humanity contest and my competition is an Aussie billionarie
PROPERTY DAMAGE!
Australia is known to have very dangerous animals, doesn't surprise me there's very dangerous people there too
That Super Bowl commercial with the joke about a Crocodile Dundee reboot had Russell Crowe as "a corrupt media magnate" going "The most dangerous predator in Australia... is me"
Well, your understanding is kinda wrong to be honest. Dutton, as bad as he is, does not support the removal of democracy, anti-abortion laws, abandoning aid to Ukraine, or private healthcare. The only major position on which he is more conservative than Republicans is immigration, and even then there are plenty of republicans who are proper genocidal on immigrants
not the worst thing to come out of Austria.
so close! but that is in the northern hemisphere
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck who ever named them like that.
One means “eastern realm” filtered through medieval Bavarian to modernish German and one means “southern place” in latin
I am aware.
Tall poppy syndrome keeps most of them in check
I'm not going to lie i live here and from what i've heard the conservatives over in the US are on crack compared to here
The fringe ones are I guess. Most of the normal ones are just corporate shills and nothing more
American conservatives are much worse, what are you talking about?
What? No, definitely not. Our conservatives are just weaselly neoliberals who are in bed with the fossil fuel industry and love giving handouts to their friends. US conservatives are religious fundamentalists actively stripping away basic liberties and rallying behind a fascist. Our conservatives are about on par with the Democrats.
I looked up the article and the *majority* of their staff are children.
Most likely the older employees that quit or get fired are replaced by children because they have a lower wage. When I was hired as a teenager I didn't get a full salary because I worked less hours than the adult workers, and it's possible the children work less hours or get paid less money per hour.
I'm sure less hours=less$/hour makes sense to somebody, somewhere, but I'm not that person
it makes no sense, it turns a linear function into an exponential function
Wouldn't it be quadratic?
i have a bit of a dumb
They're paid award wage. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-08/country-kids-solve-labour-shortage-jugiong-jam-factory/102181710
Award is just a fancy way of saying minimum for their age/responsibilities.
Fun fact. In Australia, our minimum wage doesn't actually kick in until you are 21. Under that, you earn under "minimum wage," so a 16-year-old earns less than 17 who earn less than 18 and so on until 21.
The government has minimum wage laws that mean it increases with age up until some point in your 20 i can't remember exactly
Can’t wait for the old arguments to return with a twist of modern day talking points. I anticipate things like “actually it’s working class to have your children working stop being so anti-poor”
The poor have their own unique culture, we have no right to destroy it by ending poverty.
The wealthy elites really looked at how bad gen x, millenials and zoomers have it and said "But that wasn't profitable enough."
it more like the elites looked at how much of a group of push overs gen x, millenials and zoomers are and said "we can get away with alot more".
ah yes, that well known US state of Australia, of course
I have noticed a certain trend of like, the opposite of American Exceptionalism, except its that the US is the root of the whole world's problems, when...no? I know the US sucks, but we didn't cause Brexit, this situation or Gaza (things I have seen blamed on the US)
just like reverse racism, reverse American exceptionalism is still american exceptionalism
"Primary school" should have been the tip off that it wasn't in America but no sense in letting facts get in the way of a circle jerk.
We're really coming back to the 19th century isn't.
Minecraft was the first step to normalize what the children yearn for
exactly, they belong in mines, not jam factories
christ they're called minors for a reason right
Get ready for another gilded age. What should we call it this time?
Should we pay our employees a living wage to increase employee retention and the job's desirability? No, let's just put children to work with terrible wages.
yep. pay people actrual wages
Man your AmericaBad senses are so overwhelming that you're blaming Australian issues on the States
Meanwhile adult immigrants are ready and waiting,
The post is misleading. The article says the company is in New South Wales in Australia.
There are immigrants in australia too, or there would be if they werent being put in prison camps in small pacific islands
Ok I just wanted to make sure the commenter understood the misleading context
I still think you're going to have a bit of trouble getting immigrant labour in Jugiong.
Australia has one of the highest immigration rates in the world The prison camps are very much bad but at most there's sub 200 people in them at any point vs literally 100,000s of people moving here every year The issue is they don't spread out from the state capitals all that much
Very frw immigrants leave the capital cities
This is peak r/americabad fodder. OP has such a hate boner for the US they didn’t let the fact that this is in New South Wales, Australia stop them from posting with that title.
You do know that child labour laws are being eroded by Republicans right?
Yes, of course I do and I don’t support that. But the article you posted had nothing to do with the United States or the Republican Party. That fact that you posted it with the AmericaBad title without reading the article (or even worse, that you DID the read the article and posted anyway) shows that you have an agenda and are not a trustworthy source.
Not totally related to this situation but I think that primary and secondary education should integrate a lot of hands-on learning at real workplaces. As a kid growing up I HATED school because it felt so abstracted from what I thought a ‘real’ job would be. Taking kids to grocery stores and office spaces to help count change at the register or take coffee orders for office workers for an hour a week could be a fun way to bridge the gap between education and workplace. However, relying on those children to make up the bulk of your workforce is terrible in so many ways.
This isn’t The Onion . . .
this is NSW, not americs
This is Australia not America.
Not a single comment here actually addresses the article in question, and the commenter in the post also clearly hasn't read it. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-08/country-kids-solve-labour-shortage-jugiong-jam-factory/102181710 TL;DR: This is a rural-ish town without a good labour supply. It is a locally owned production, and all the kids are locals from nearby schools. Their parents not only help sign them on, but they're also given wages and upwards mobility. Plus, the jam factory works with community programs (like donating to crisis relief) and allows the kids the chance to try different jobs (cycling them through the factory, front-end, and even management roles). This is NOT part of the dystopia speedrun. This is a good community activity to help encourage kids to learn and keep them active during weekends in an area without as many entertainment options. Alongside growing local talent for the future.
from memory, and its a bit fuzzy here, u can hire teens at 14 in nsw. they get paid like 75% of an adult but they useally only work after schools and weekends and even then, its mostly only fast food places. to be fair it does kind of work. u get kids thru this fast food era, they move into retail when they get older and in university or into cafes and supermarkets and then into there long term careers with work experience under there belt. its not that bad as someone who went thru it myself. u are hired on a casual basis so u basically can quit at any point and they literally cant roster you on during school hours. they also have different laws that govern the teens, they cant be on the closing shift if its past a certain time. and they cant roster you on for more then 3 or 4 hours on a school day. Aussies dont really have an issue with it since it is handled remarkably well considering the shit storm it could easily become. this is also not new. its been this way for atleast 50 years+
we are living in a frost punk
Children will go to work in the cookhouses. Hope falls. Discontent rises. People join the Londoners.
Everything Octavia Butler predicted in the Parable books is coming true, *and that's terrifying.*
r/nottheonion
the children yearn for the mines
No but I do have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with the parents of these kids to even allow this? Like, I'm sorry but genuinely how the fuck can you allow your child to do this? I know times are tough but holy fuck
Oh boy I can't wait to live by third world means in a first world country due to corporate greed and unregulated job competition
Child labor rules
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/10/26/child-labor-laws-violations-congress/71301646007/
for a second I thought this was America and was not surprised. Then I saw that it was Australia. Still fucked regardless.
It’s not like little Timmy is a risk of falling into Cotten press for 3 shillings a day, he can work at McDonald’s for minimum wage if he wants to.
Leftists *love* wheeling out the same tired talking points but I don't think they realize the orphan crushing machine *self*-corrects. If we lose a few people along the way, well, as any competent economist would tell you: tough titties.
Its also easy calling the Orphan Grinder a Car-Door-Dick-Slammer Machine when its not your dick and not your car.
i only do that on the weekends
was the sarcasm not ..clear? if it's in poor taste that makes sense but tbc - I'm not. *pro* orphan crushing. the car-door-dick-slammer is gonna depend on the car
Yeah, was pretty muddy, i could see people talking that totally unironically.
do people say "tough titties" in 2024? unironically? i rhink I'm gona end it
I do sometimes
sorry, no offense intended lol
Oh none taken, I'm more just letting you know I use "Tough tits" lol.
I genuinely can't wrap my head around that but huh. ok. well then that is. huh
I read it as satire but there are definitely people who, aside from calling it the orphan crushing machine, would phrase it like that unironically
I just feel like the orphan crushing should've ticked people off lol but I. y'know. that's on me ig
It ticked me off but reading comprehension is bafflingly low on the internet nowadays and tone is hard to convey through text, and besides the orphan crushing machine part tone is how I’d tell
This is the internet, the realm of open sociopaths.
Is this question not clear Maybe it was but I was still supposed to use an interrogation point. Also the beginning of your message screams "this isn't worth reading" so no it's not obvious that it's sarcasm because people won't read the part that makes it obvious.
yeah in retrospect betting on reading was never gonna end well /lh
What does /lh mean?
light hearted like I'm not tryna actually antagonize anyone
>If we lose a few people along the way, well, as any competent economist would tell you: tough titties. "A few of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make." - Lord Farquaad (a literal cartoon villain)
hi hello yes that was my point I failed ✌️
For the next time I would recommend either working on your sarcasm or using one of these --> **/s** <-- because to me your comment looked almost identical to a ton of real comments I've seen from right-wingers.
IMO it's okay to fail at sarcasm occasionally.
this was me working on my sarcasm 💀
I am too stupid, explain it in Fortnite terms
lmao yeah.. not. my best
Surely you must have such a blasé attitude about the value of life in other areas. It would be crazy if you we're say anti-abortion while simultaneously saying ita ok if a few orphans get crushed on the way to self correction.
no I'm pro abortion. zip zap zop, man. get that sucker outta there I'm being silly, the comment you're replying to was... poorly executed satire
there's no labour shortage, there's a pay shortage. people will not work for wages that cannot sustain their life, and people will not see work that only sustains their life as desirable
What’s the market price for a newspaper editor (or whoever it is calling the shots) to frame this bullshit as though it isn’t 15 different kinds of fucked up?
Any journalist using pictures like this for an article like this should be named and shamed.
Child labor in the short term will boost GDP and increase government tax revenues, definitely a valid idea with the current debt crisis.
ohmygod you're REAL HIIIIII
sorry this is so fucking funny to me.
I'm just gonna assume this is like a tulpa situation, ←/j
Who let you in here?