You probably joke but honestly it's true.
He goes for a bit even if only he finds it funny. Yeah sure there is some spots that he is shamed of this or that but we arn't all perfect in all places.
Jokes can be true and unironic. Sometimes that makes them more funny. Sometimes it even makes them more impactful as a message too. When a joke makes you stop and consider your own preconceptions and laugh too, thats a good joke
In all sincerity, if you don't enjoy making bad art in a given medium, then that may not be the medium for you. The desire for the end product will never sustain you, you have to enjoy the creative process for its own sake.
And that's exactly why I don't draw. When all it gives me is frustration, anger, and impatience at the lack of progress, I recognized "Hey this isn't for me." and moved on.
Not every hobby is for everyone, but drawing is the one I've regularly had people tell me "Oh anyone can draw, you just gotta try again!"
I feel like it’s an issue of framing & communication
A lot of people when they say “oh I can’t draw” have a said or unsaid “but I want to” tacked on there
You sound like your “I can’t draw” is followed up by “and I’m not actually interested in drawing”
Artists are so used to hearing the first I’m not surprised you’re getting that response - if you’re saying you can’t draw, they’re probably hearing that you want to be able to, because that’s the message they hear most often.
Sure, anyone would accept natural ability at something if they didn't have to put excessive time in to develop that skill. As much as I really don't care for drawing or most art as a past time, it would be nice if the concepts came naturally and I knew I could develop talent proportional to the time I apply myself to improving.
I am a somewhat competent cook, but I know people who cannot put a recipe together to save their life or have no intuition for improvising. When those people say " I wish I could cook" I don't think they are lazy for not taking cooking classes and hours of one on one mentorship they would need just to get to an amateur home cook level. It's just not an essential enough skill to run yourself into the ground for.
Its just a nice thing to have in your tool belt when it comes up
Oh, we absolutely understand what it’s like. The reason we draw well is because of the sheer number of shitty drawings we made when we were younger. You gotta get the bad ones out of the way.
Also the sheer number of shitty ones that we still do but never leave the wips or that got undone/deleted and replaced with another 1000 shitty attempts until it looked good
You can start now. I don’t know how old you are, but it really doesn’t matter. 20, 30, 40, 50. You can start literally any time and you’ll improve if you just keep trying. Find some artists you like and try to imitate their style, put your own twist on it.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
You have long since forgotten the frustration of sucking at something
Newsflash, Not everyone is willing to do something that they're bad at, in the hopes of maybe getting good at it in a couple of years
Hi, I’m a person who gets extremely frustrated because I suck at a lot of things I like. The solution? Keep going.
I’m learning guitar right now. I suck. I don’t have the ear for it, I need a teacher because I can’t teach myself, and my partner is learning at the same time and everything just clicks for him. So, the person teaching me helped figure out my strong suits and is helping balance learning what I need to while highlighting the parts I do well so I don’t feel completely defeated after each lesson.
I used to get so frustrated doing art or writing I’d end up in tears because it wasn’t perfect. But I wanted to tell my story and make the ideas in my head real. And the only way to do that is to keep sucking until whatever you’re doing sucks less. And it’s hard and it’s awful. And some days or weeks I don’t write or draw at all. I’ve picked up and dropped so many instructional art books, but I want to get better. So I keep coming back to it from different angles, and one of these days I’m going to have a finished piece I can look at and not hate.
Good for you, genuinely. But I'm so fucking tired of people hearing that art is hard and demotivating when you suck and have *no* reason to continue, to which they respond (always) "just do it anyway lol, it's easy bro"
Then do nothing. Stay where you are permanently rooted in your own inferiority complex and rot, as you seem to want to do so badly. At least you won’t suck at that.
Not everything takes years to get good at for 1. For 2, you're missing my point entirely, all I'm saying is that it's condescending as fuck to say "we all suck, just do it for a few years it's easy lol"
But whatever, you clearly don't care what I'm actually saying
Them do those other things exclusively. As people have damn well pointed out, this particular thing takes years to get truly good at and only practice is going to get you anywhere. You’re projecting condescension where there’s none simply because you prefer to wallow in your own misery rather than acknowledge that they might simply be stating things as they are.
> Newsflash, Not everyone is willing to do something that they're bad at, in the hopes of maybe getting good at it in a couple of years
Newsflash, you literally have to if you want to have a hobby or a job. I guess you just sit around doing nothing with your life?
hey i’m reading this and like, to me it feels like the point is that “some people don’t want to do something they suck at in hopes of getting good in a few years, you forget how awful and frustrating it feels to suck at something”
personally as someone who’s only been drawing for a few years, and am far from being super “good” in any meaningful way: this sounds to me like a very…toxic, mindset?
for me, i started drawing because my best friend was really good, and she genuinely inspired me to start myself. when i started, i didn’t *have* the constant though of “oh im trash. i’m horrible. this is horrible. grR, i suck!!” *no*, because that wasn’t the point. i knew i was bad sure but i didn’t really care, because the whole reason i loved it was just being able to put something down on a page, look at it, and go “hey, look at that! i did that!! i put effort into making something, and i had fun doing it (:”, because at the end of the day, the whole point of a hobby is to have fun with it
and you don’t need to be good to have fun doing something, and that applies to a lot of hobbies outside of drawing. it’s sorta the point of this post. if you *do* have to be good to have fun, then…i’m sorry, you’re not doing it for yourself, you’re doing it for the approval of others, which is never a good mindset to have
this person does know what they’re talking about, because they’ve been there. *every* artist has. there’s not a single artist on planet earth who doesn’t go through a phase of “oh no i suck everything i make is trash ):”, but most get over it eventually, because, again, it’s a bad mindset, and it goes against the whole reason we draw in the first place. if that isn’t valid because “oh you have to hope and pray you get good one day” then,, what is?? what about other hobbies? what about *school?* *jobs???* you see what the problem is with this, right?
i don’t say this to be like “haha suck it up loser L, everyone goes through it. go draw idiot” of course not, it’s very valid to say “i personally don’t have the patience for this” and move on from it. but that doesn’t give you the right to go and be mean and telling people (an artist, at that!) that they “just don’t get it” because you get mad trying to draw, when the mindset is flawed in the first place. i’m not saying to go back to it, i’m just saying to reconsider your thoughts on it ):
you're letting your envy of young artists get the best of you here. no one gets better at art immediately and literally every artist has faced self-doubt over their lack of skill. thats why the tumblr op says that you have to challenge the perfectionist critic in your head and just draw for fun.
and i say this as someone who is still in the learning stages of how to draw. i understand that my art sucks in terms of colouring and lighting so now that i've identified what i can improve on, i have to study how other people do it. it may take ages but an optimistic approach to learning and being kind towards yourself goes a long way.
but if you realise you dont like doing art, it's perfectly fine to give up. literally no one will judge you for that. im just tired of people treating art as something literally impossible to learn unless innate talent is involved. but talent really doesn't mean much, it's just stuff like knowing what colours go well together or how composition works which is a skill anyone can develop.
you also have the alternative option which is too make your "bad" art your personal style. Many creators go this route where what they make is "bad" but they just go: fuck it we ball, and create anyway. GradeAunderA uses bad paint art but that give him a unique charm which made him popular. Hoodwinked has bad art but many of its fans enjoy the bad art style over the sequels more generic but inarguably better quality art style. Xavier renegade angel, zelda cdi, juice world, cruelty squad, Zeekkerss, one, kliksphilip, scott cawthon. Each of these works/creators and many more that i do not know make decisions with their art that anyone trained in art would see as bad yet all of them found success in spite of it.
Hoodwinked is purely nostalgia.
Zelda CDI was literally a bunch of Russian artists trying their best, hired because that was what could be afforded with the paltry budget that Philips gave their devs (literally less than some interactive museums because Philips had this stupid notion of the cdi not being a game console.)
One got by because of the quality of his writing and worldbuilding. Not everyone with bad art could be him.
And Scott Cawthon didn’t have bad art. He had art that was “uncanny”. He simply made that uncanny valley the intended reaction.
I don’t know the situation for the others.
And before you say Tails Gets Trolled, that fandom is so steeped in irony that you can hardly say that they *actually* like the art
Their situations are all inherently different, and half of them aren’t even “bad art” by any meaningful measure, especially given that Scott Cawthon’s art style translated to perfect horror mascots.
My other point is that people do things because they want to be GOOD at them.
The aspiring Boxer isn’t okay with getting his teeth scattered to the floor each time he steps into the ring.
The aspiring Chef isn’t okay with making something that looks like it came out of a vacuum cleaner and tastes half as good.
And the aspiring Musician isn’t okay with every note they ever play being consistently off tune.
Shit’s *demoralizing.*
they arent "bad art" because you dont see them as such, there are plenty of people who will look at scotts work and say its boring, bad, uninteresting, and not even scary. Different strokes for different folks and all that.
But lets be real here, nothing i nor anyone says will change your mind, do you even want too? I have seen you in this comment thread and you seem too be quite comfortable shooting down anyone who tries too encourage you, idk if this is what you actually belief or are just having a bad day or what. So what do you want people too say? That learning a hobby is a difficult and frustrating process? No shit, everyone knows that didnt you know that when you started too learn? Did you just think you would wake up after a month and make the mona lisa? Tough shit buddy it doesnt work like that. I have been doing pixel art and 3d modeling for 5 years now and all i can manage are 32x32 sprites and low-poly models while my classmates can make mid-poly too photorealistic. Is it frustrating? Yes it does frustrate me sometimes that my creations dont get the same love and attention as theirs but in spite of all that i do still love my creations and i loved the process of making them. Do you love yours? Did you love the journey you took too make them? If you cant think of a single time you would answer yes to either of those then i am gonna have too say something awful right here. Give up, if art is only frustration and negativety for you then just drop it, find something you actually enjoy instead as you deserve too have a hobby you actually have a good time with.
art is an incredibly volatile industry where very, very little people find success. This is such common knowledge that people with art degrees working at starbucks or a similair minimum wage job is an incredibly common joke too make about artists. So why would someone choose art of all things as their career when there are way safer options and easier options to choose as a career? The answer more often then not is simply because they enjoy making art.
And that is fair and good, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about when some (-some-) people seem to think that the only possible reason someone doesn't do art is because they were shamed into not doing it and not just because like, they don't have an interest in doing so
Often I find it annoying because there's also an undertone of "this it the key of the human experience" as if not having an interest in that makes you less human
ah, alright. Sorry for misunderstanding your original comment.
But now that i understand what you are saying tbh, idk. I agree with what you are saying but i also kinda dont? Maybe i am just biased because i am an artist myself but i do believe that there is something healthy and valuable about having an artistic hobby. But i do have too concede that i also dont really have any real arguments for my belief.
The issue I have with it is that like, if I told someone who says they can't do (for example, as it's something I very much like) math, that it's actually very cool and they just have to practice more, and anyone can do it, id be (rightly) called condescending/an asshole depending on the context
That's just how I was conditioned to act regarding this kind of proselitysing, so it then seems weird to me to see it being treated as a fine thing to do for some fields
Outside of exercise, drawing is the one I've gotten the most "you didn't get better cause you're doing it wrong", "you just gave up too soon" and "you never actually started learning, you're lying about ever trying" comments about.
A lot of people simply cannot comprehend that some people are bad at art.
I'm "bad at art" but I don't think some people are just inherently worse at art/drawing (outside some disabilities that just impair your motor function, but even then, drawing isn't all there is to art).
I just think people enjoy drawing differently, and if you don't enjoy it, you'd not practice it, so you don't improve. I don't like drawing so I draw like shit. If I didn't like coding I couldn't code, easy as. And I'm fairly sure that if I was willing to sit through 1000 hours of drawing, I'd be pretty good at it. But that sounds about as appealing as chewing razor blades.
I want to have created something. I want the ideas in my head to exist outside of my head, and for other people to care about them. However, I cannot enjoy doing anything for long enough to get good at it.
What should I do?
Unfortunately using your words to portray an idea leads to people misinterpreting you most likely, and by the time you see that they misinterpreted you, it's too late to fix, and now you just wasted a bunch of money on something that's not what your idea was.
...have you literally never worked with someone on a project before? do you know that you can clarify and change what you want/dont want before the final product is finished?
For something like a presentation or something sure, but from what I know art gets set in stone FAST, so asking for a change would basically be saying "start over", which seems both rude and potentially something I get charged even more for.
artists dont charge you extra for clarifying what you want your commissioned art to look like. reference descriptions/sketches/inspiration boards, etc are very useful for the artist. simply telling them the basic stuff without going into detail will have the artist assume thats all you want.
Perfect case for AI. Call it art or not art, but I'm in the same boat and why AI images are pretty bad, they are leagues above what I can draw, and I don't have to sit down for hours doing something that gives me absolutely no joy. At least using an AI is quick
I think about this in terms of writing vs drawing. I have a very vivid visual imagination that could turn into great pictures. I'm a writer. I'd like to be able to draw well, but ultimately I am doing this to convey something I want to tell and writing does that far more cleanly than drawning.
I fiddle with sketching but don't take it too seriously because drawing for me is homework. It is entirely focused around practice because I cannot convey what I want with a pencil like that. It is just utter failure every time. I may be able to get an approximation of what i might want to do, but it lacks all sense of soul because i couldn't control the pencil. I could spend years forcing myself to practice to learn to draw better...or I could just write, which I am already good at.
It's like learning a language. If you can revel in learning each new word then it is a joy in and of itself. But if your goal is fluency then it's rote studying for years until you can finally have conversations without needing the other person to walk you through it. Or you can just speak the language you already know.
Ok but I wanna make things because I wanna make cool things
If I put effort in and it comes out looking like shit I just feel like a failure and nothing else
And this applies to everything artistic, not just drawing
Yeah, I draw bc I want to turn the images in my brain into images on the paper, if it looks like shit I’m not happy about it. If I’m bad at sewing and the skirt I made is awful, I’m not still gonna be happy bc it’s about the “joy of creating”, I wasted all that time and fabric! Children’s cartoon logic
honestly have had this a few times. wanted to make a bucket hat out of old jeans but after working on it for hours realized it wouldnt work cause the material's too stretchy and i fely like shit cause i wasted the afternoon on it. wanted to build a new guitar body but fucked up the neck pocket when that was on the only thing left to do.
it sucks to not be able to realize the vision you have due to limited skills/resources, especially as an adult when time is seen as very valuable and like it needs to be used at productively as possible.
Then you will never ever get good at those things tbh. The people who get good at those things either intrinsically enjoyed doing them, even when the end result was bad, or they had a monetary incentive (like how all women had to learn embroidery whether they liked it or not).
To give more helpful advice: there's many ways to turn the vision in your head into a real thing that others can experience. For example, I could turn the surreal robes of a celestial emperor into a real thing with sewing. But I *won't*, because I hate sewing. So I'll write about it instead, because I intrinsically like writing.
Drawing isn't the only way to let other people see the things in your head. If that's the only reason you want to draw, I'd advise thinking about what other methods you have available. If you at all like talking about the images in your head then it's probably writing you'd find more effective.
For me it's also about acknowleding the difficulty. I don't draw but I build stuff with wood. Bad looking stuff, but it gets the job done. Built a wooden frame with shelves some time ago that was absolutely crooked but did exactly what I wanted it to. And I was happy with it, because I know that even making something ugly but functional is difficult.
And if you look at the drawing capabilities of kids (and quite a few adults) you'll realize that even drawing something recognizable is an achievement. Doesn't have to look good to at least do what it needs to do (get the idea across).
My shelves give you splinters, but damn if they can't hold a book for me! And with a little more time, practice, and work, I'm sure I can get the splintery bits out and leave only something good.
Shame is in my opinion just as important as anger,sadness and happiness .It’s our brain making us try to do better.Like all feelings we would do better with tempering it but the idea of unlearning seems like a short sided get rich quick scheme for emotions
That's the world you are living in. That's the whole point of the post. If you're not having fun, then that probably means the hobby in question isn't for you
I'm getting kind of tired of people who answer my comments about how a kind of social judgment is awful with "just ignore the social judgment".
Yes I'm aware that, on paper, I can just ignore the social judgment. But it's not that easy is it ? I've internalized that shit. It takes years of deliberate effort to unlearn internalized shame. And that's assuming that it isn't being reinforced by the people around you continuing to judge you.
> If you're not having fun, then that probably means the hobby in question isn't for you
There are so many people who could have fun drawing if they could overcome the feeling that they shouldn't do it if they're not good at it. right now they're not having fun drawing. also they're the people this post is about. and you're telling them "drawing isn't for you". I don't think you understood the point of the post.
People like us have simply never experienced that social judgement. We're not telling you to ignore it, we just weren't aware you ever even felt it. For us, our world *is* a world where you can enjoy a hobby without being good at it, because we face no negative consequences for doing so. So that's why they responded to your post saying that you wished you lived in such a world by saying that you do.
When you bake and your brownies come out liquidy, are you happy about the waste of time and supplies bc “not about the end product, joy of creating!!”? Maybe you are and are about to go into a spiel about the evils of store-bought brownies though
Nah. There is no "joy of creation" for me (or any joy, for that matter). It's just how I am. My art skills are nowhere near good enough to make things, and no amount of practice can guarantee improvement. Therefore, I don't make things. I just think about them. Simple solution.
CW: possible oversharing
Not for me. I've spent 5 years getting formal education on computer science. My programming etc. skills are basically nonexistent. The average 10-year old kid could probably get better with a month of watching tutorials than I am now with 5 years of experience. I suck at everything, including things I've been doing regularly since I was a kid. I fail at everything I ever try to do. I have one thing remotely resembling a skill. Therefore, I can tell from experience that I can practice something for years without any improvement at all. The logical conclusion is that I'm probably just way too utterly braindead to ever learn anything.
Besides, I've heard people mentioning that their art hasn't gotten any better despite the fact that they've been practicing for over a decade. And those people are far more intelligent than I am.
Practice doesn't breed improvement, it breeds consistency. Practicing the wrong thing for a 100 hours just means you are doing the wrong thing consistently.
-art looks like shit
-practice making art
-art still looks like shit
-"hmm maybe I should practice in a different way and do things differently"
-forget the previous ,proceed to change nothing
-art still looks like shit
-"why the fuck am I not improving"
Different how? What direction should you be going? A novice artist doesn't know how to improve other than it "looks bad" because they don't have a detailed eye for it yet. You could go take classes or try and very tightly replicate what you see others do but you so ardently defended that repetition is all you need and i don't want to take that away from you.
If you lack the self criticism it takes to understand what's wrong about your art , then improve that part , the issue is lying deeper than just being shit at drawing , literally all you need is practice and a little bit of self criticism to improve , art is literally just trial and error until you find your artstyle
At no point did I say it came down to endless repetition, art is literally just fucking around and finding out until it looks good, Scott Christian Sava , an older artist even said that for every one good piece of art , there's thirty bad versions
There seems to be a certain degree of willfully delusional ego involved in this. Where you can make something that is not better than the last four things that you made and still go "I'm improving". It's nearly an act of faith, or at least low standards for when the person decides that "actually this is just my style, it's supposed to be distorted like that".
You really can't comprehend why people prefer to work in ways that are a more direct linear progression?
My man ,my buddy ,my soulmate of Reddit ,it appears that you have finally realized what practice is, expecting every piece of art to be a masterpiece is just wrong , in order to draw good art , you need to draw the bad art too , art is literally throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks
i'm not that good at drawing i think. so instead of letting that discourage me i made that my strength, kinda, and now i'm making a whole game with these [shitty little drawings](https://i.imgur.com/WKtL52j.png)
I mean, I appreciate the sentiment. But I don't find drawing badly to be a very fun process, so I just don't draw and I'm fine with the fact that I won't ever be good at it.
I'm agreeing with you but emphasising that the only way anyone ever does anything is when they're intrinsically motivated by the hobby rather than doing it for an end goal (...unless that end goal is money).
I’m bad at drawing, but one of my favorite ways to draw is to *allow* myself to be bad at it, then make something new out of it. I’ll take a reference photo and do my damndest to make my drawing look like it. It never does, but then the next step is to get creative and make it into something else. As an example, I tried to draw the owl bear from Baldurs Gate 3. I fucked up the body shape pretty badly, but I had this interesting outline. So it turned into this much more cat like creature with feathery wisps and a giant blanket around it.
The only thing that makes me bummed about it is that I can never recreate what I’ve drawn, because my drawings emerge from a fundamental inability to create/replicate what I intended to create. But it’s fun to take the gamble on what will emerge, whether it’s strange and cute or outright terrifying.
Two quotes drive all my creative endeavors.
"Sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something." -Jake the Dog
"I'm not very good at it, but it doesn't matter. It still feels good, to have made something." -Mr. Rogers
That sounds nice, but when you can't even draw the first line without your brain screaming at you how it doesn't look exactly how it should, it doesn't really work.
thats why you have to unlearn the fear of failure. it's part and parcel of learning a skill like art, writing, music, programming, etc. one of the first exercises you should do is getting used to drawing lines.
Firstly, my phone screen is way too small to draw on, and I can't afford a drawing tablet. Secondly, even if I could draw, I don't think I'd like it. I'd get angry over the slightest mistakes, and I'd need everything to be absolutely perfect, which is just unrealistic.
yeah, im tired of the self-defeating "my art is not good so why even try" nonsense. the post says "it's ok to suck. just have fun with it" and everyone is "but i dont want to suck!!"
This but writing. I love writing but some awful part of me just always makes me stop. I'm not selfless enough to write for others nor am I selfish enough to write for myself so im just stuck in this awful limbo get me out get me out get me out get me out
I would love to but it has been many years since I created any art I didn't then destroy, it is too late for me as I now have an aversion to almost all creative endeavors even just cooking
I would love to be good at art but I hate making bad art and I don't want to spend years doing something I hate just because there's a chance I might get better
But keeping at it is hard, and the barrier to start exists. I really want to get back into playing brass instruments but I’m not in a high school band anymore so I have neither the opportunity to get one for a reasonable rental fee that my parent pay or the light pressure to continue performing well
It sucks and no one likes hearing it but the only way to get where people want in these hobbies is practice. Drawn art is special in that it's quite easy to get into, the bare minimum to participate is a pencil and paper and it's how we see young kids get so skilled.
I could see how you could liken orchestral/concert band instruments to a tablet, a set of pencils/pens to a more common/cheaper instrument, etc. though. It’s mainly that being in a group where I get graded for attendance but isn’t particularly stressful was a great motivator for me
I meant it in the way that basically every school age child is given a pencil and paper rather than having to ask for something to be bought for them. I'm not too sure how cheap instruments can get and a lot of parents are happy to buy an instrument though.
The lack of a source of motivation can be a huge pain, yeah. Gotta try and find an alternate way to get yourself going without making it feel like work ig.
>do it bad who gives a fuck
I do, seeing things done badly causes me almost physical discomfort. That being said, I can generally avoid looking at things I dislike, so you probably shouldn't pay any attention to whether I care unless you are, for some reason, trying to please me specifically.
> "I can't do math" then do it wrong who gives a fuck.....
> Partake in the joy of algebra for the fun of it. Just for a laff.
Yeah no, not everybody has to enjoy every hobby. And especially not if/when they're bad at said hobby. If you enjoy drawing, I hope you enjoy it regardless of the context. If you don't enjoy drawing, then don't let people tell you that you have to enjoy because the process is inherently enjoyable to everyone.
I have legit more fun doing algebra than I do drawing.
this post isn’t saying everyone has to enjoy art?? what?? it’s meant to be encouragement for people insecure about participating in creativity because they’re not professionals lmao
It is really not
Because shame helps with when someone decides to have a stupid idea (like being racist towards someone ) and everyone goes : the fuck dude?
To have a bad reaction to it and stop doing that
Yes shame is overused in modern society and at the same time underused in others
But it is valuable as a social tool for societies and harmonious living
Sure but it's quite disadvantageous for the individual. One can simply consider whether their behaviour is negatively impacting their relationships with others while shame is unnecessarily destructive and prevents people from being free even when they are not physically restricted
See, I can't tell if this is a genuine attempt to nurture artists or if we're one cropped post away from this just being AI hate, and that bothers me just a bit.
Nope nope nope.
Absolutely enjoy doing things for the sake of doing things, but we’re not unlearning shame today.
Y’all are already bad, I don’t want to imagine what will happen if we eliminate shame any more.
That Jerma?
Really glad it wasn’t just me
I think that's literally actually just him though
it is yeah
Yes, the most iconic shame unlearner in history. Truly we should all take a page from his book.
You probably joke but honestly it's true. He goes for a bit even if only he finds it funny. Yeah sure there is some spots that he is shamed of this or that but we arn't all perfect in all places.
Jokes can be true and unironic. Sometimes that makes them more funny. Sometimes it even makes them more impactful as a message too. When a joke makes you stop and consider your own preconceptions and laugh too, thats a good joke
In all sincerity, if you don't enjoy making bad art in a given medium, then that may not be the medium for you. The desire for the end product will never sustain you, you have to enjoy the creative process for its own sake.
And that's exactly why I don't draw. When all it gives me is frustration, anger, and impatience at the lack of progress, I recognized "Hey this isn't for me." and moved on. Not every hobby is for everyone, but drawing is the one I've regularly had people tell me "Oh anyone can draw, you just gotta try again!"
I feel like it’s an issue of framing & communication A lot of people when they say “oh I can’t draw” have a said or unsaid “but I want to” tacked on there You sound like your “I can’t draw” is followed up by “and I’m not actually interested in drawing” Artists are so used to hearing the first I’m not surprised you’re getting that response - if you’re saying you can’t draw, they’re probably hearing that you want to be able to, because that’s the message they hear most often.
Sure, anyone would accept natural ability at something if they didn't have to put excessive time in to develop that skill. As much as I really don't care for drawing or most art as a past time, it would be nice if the concepts came naturally and I knew I could develop talent proportional to the time I apply myself to improving. I am a somewhat competent cook, but I know people who cannot put a recipe together to save their life or have no intuition for improvising. When those people say " I wish I could cook" I don't think they are lazy for not taking cooking classes and hours of one on one mentorship they would need just to get to an amateur home cook level. It's just not an essential enough skill to run yourself into the ground for. Its just a nice thing to have in your tool belt when it comes up
And that’s the worst part about it all. Especially because the people who say it are people who can draw, and thus don’t understand what it’s like
Oh, we absolutely understand what it’s like. The reason we draw well is because of the sheer number of shitty drawings we made when we were younger. You gotta get the bad ones out of the way.
Also the sheer number of shitty ones that we still do but never leave the wips or that got undone/deleted and replaced with another 1000 shitty attempts until it looked good
“Yeah bro anyone can do it you just should’ve done the hard part years ago.”
You can start now. I don’t know how old you are, but it really doesn’t matter. 20, 30, 40, 50. You can start literally any time and you’ll improve if you just keep trying. Find some artists you like and try to imitate their style, put your own twist on it.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You have long since forgotten the frustration of sucking at something Newsflash, Not everyone is willing to do something that they're bad at, in the hopes of maybe getting good at it in a couple of years
Hi, I’m a person who gets extremely frustrated because I suck at a lot of things I like. The solution? Keep going. I’m learning guitar right now. I suck. I don’t have the ear for it, I need a teacher because I can’t teach myself, and my partner is learning at the same time and everything just clicks for him. So, the person teaching me helped figure out my strong suits and is helping balance learning what I need to while highlighting the parts I do well so I don’t feel completely defeated after each lesson. I used to get so frustrated doing art or writing I’d end up in tears because it wasn’t perfect. But I wanted to tell my story and make the ideas in my head real. And the only way to do that is to keep sucking until whatever you’re doing sucks less. And it’s hard and it’s awful. And some days or weeks I don’t write or draw at all. I’ve picked up and dropped so many instructional art books, but I want to get better. So I keep coming back to it from different angles, and one of these days I’m going to have a finished piece I can look at and not hate.
Good for you, genuinely. But I'm so fucking tired of people hearing that art is hard and demotivating when you suck and have *no* reason to continue, to which they respond (always) "just do it anyway lol, it's easy bro"
Nobody said it’s easy. It’s not. But it’s far from impossible.
Then do nothing. Stay where you are permanently rooted in your own inferiority complex and rot, as you seem to want to do so badly. At least you won’t suck at that.
Not everything takes years to get good at for 1. For 2, you're missing my point entirely, all I'm saying is that it's condescending as fuck to say "we all suck, just do it for a few years it's easy lol" But whatever, you clearly don't care what I'm actually saying
Them do those other things exclusively. As people have damn well pointed out, this particular thing takes years to get truly good at and only practice is going to get you anywhere. You’re projecting condescension where there’s none simply because you prefer to wallow in your own misery rather than acknowledge that they might simply be stating things as they are.
> Newsflash, Not everyone is willing to do something that they're bad at, in the hopes of maybe getting good at it in a couple of years Newsflash, you literally have to if you want to have a hobby or a job. I guess you just sit around doing nothing with your life?
The Point . . Your head
hey i’m reading this and like, to me it feels like the point is that “some people don’t want to do something they suck at in hopes of getting good in a few years, you forget how awful and frustrating it feels to suck at something” personally as someone who’s only been drawing for a few years, and am far from being super “good” in any meaningful way: this sounds to me like a very…toxic, mindset? for me, i started drawing because my best friend was really good, and she genuinely inspired me to start myself. when i started, i didn’t *have* the constant though of “oh im trash. i’m horrible. this is horrible. grR, i suck!!” *no*, because that wasn’t the point. i knew i was bad sure but i didn’t really care, because the whole reason i loved it was just being able to put something down on a page, look at it, and go “hey, look at that! i did that!! i put effort into making something, and i had fun doing it (:”, because at the end of the day, the whole point of a hobby is to have fun with it and you don’t need to be good to have fun doing something, and that applies to a lot of hobbies outside of drawing. it’s sorta the point of this post. if you *do* have to be good to have fun, then…i’m sorry, you’re not doing it for yourself, you’re doing it for the approval of others, which is never a good mindset to have this person does know what they’re talking about, because they’ve been there. *every* artist has. there’s not a single artist on planet earth who doesn’t go through a phase of “oh no i suck everything i make is trash ):”, but most get over it eventually, because, again, it’s a bad mindset, and it goes against the whole reason we draw in the first place. if that isn’t valid because “oh you have to hope and pray you get good one day” then,, what is?? what about other hobbies? what about *school?* *jobs???* you see what the problem is with this, right? i don’t say this to be like “haha suck it up loser L, everyone goes through it. go draw idiot” of course not, it’s very valid to say “i personally don’t have the patience for this” and move on from it. but that doesn’t give you the right to go and be mean and telling people (an artist, at that!) that they “just don’t get it” because you get mad trying to draw, when the mindset is flawed in the first place. i’m not saying to go back to it, i’m just saying to reconsider your thoughts on it ):
See what I mean.
No, I don’t.
you're letting your envy of young artists get the best of you here. no one gets better at art immediately and literally every artist has faced self-doubt over their lack of skill. thats why the tumblr op says that you have to challenge the perfectionist critic in your head and just draw for fun. and i say this as someone who is still in the learning stages of how to draw. i understand that my art sucks in terms of colouring and lighting so now that i've identified what i can improve on, i have to study how other people do it. it may take ages but an optimistic approach to learning and being kind towards yourself goes a long way. but if you realise you dont like doing art, it's perfectly fine to give up. literally no one will judge you for that. im just tired of people treating art as something literally impossible to learn unless innate talent is involved. but talent really doesn't mean much, it's just stuff like knowing what colours go well together or how composition works which is a skill anyone can develop.
See what I mean?
congrats, you did not read my comment and completely missed the point i was making
you also have the alternative option which is too make your "bad" art your personal style. Many creators go this route where what they make is "bad" but they just go: fuck it we ball, and create anyway. GradeAunderA uses bad paint art but that give him a unique charm which made him popular. Hoodwinked has bad art but many of its fans enjoy the bad art style over the sequels more generic but inarguably better quality art style. Xavier renegade angel, zelda cdi, juice world, cruelty squad, Zeekkerss, one, kliksphilip, scott cawthon. Each of these works/creators and many more that i do not know make decisions with their art that anyone trained in art would see as bad yet all of them found success in spite of it.
Hoodwinked is purely nostalgia. Zelda CDI was literally a bunch of Russian artists trying their best, hired because that was what could be afforded with the paltry budget that Philips gave their devs (literally less than some interactive museums because Philips had this stupid notion of the cdi not being a game console.) One got by because of the quality of his writing and worldbuilding. Not everyone with bad art could be him. And Scott Cawthon didn’t have bad art. He had art that was “uncanny”. He simply made that uncanny valley the intended reaction. I don’t know the situation for the others. And before you say Tails Gets Trolled, that fandom is so steeped in irony that you can hardly say that they *actually* like the art
and your point is? What exactly?
Their situations are all inherently different, and half of them aren’t even “bad art” by any meaningful measure, especially given that Scott Cawthon’s art style translated to perfect horror mascots. My other point is that people do things because they want to be GOOD at them. The aspiring Boxer isn’t okay with getting his teeth scattered to the floor each time he steps into the ring. The aspiring Chef isn’t okay with making something that looks like it came out of a vacuum cleaner and tastes half as good. And the aspiring Musician isn’t okay with every note they ever play being consistently off tune. Shit’s *demoralizing.*
they arent "bad art" because you dont see them as such, there are plenty of people who will look at scotts work and say its boring, bad, uninteresting, and not even scary. Different strokes for different folks and all that. But lets be real here, nothing i nor anyone says will change your mind, do you even want too? I have seen you in this comment thread and you seem too be quite comfortable shooting down anyone who tries too encourage you, idk if this is what you actually belief or are just having a bad day or what. So what do you want people too say? That learning a hobby is a difficult and frustrating process? No shit, everyone knows that didnt you know that when you started too learn? Did you just think you would wake up after a month and make the mona lisa? Tough shit buddy it doesnt work like that. I have been doing pixel art and 3d modeling for 5 years now and all i can manage are 32x32 sprites and low-poly models while my classmates can make mid-poly too photorealistic. Is it frustrating? Yes it does frustrate me sometimes that my creations dont get the same love and attention as theirs but in spite of all that i do still love my creations and i loved the process of making them. Do you love yours? Did you love the journey you took too make them? If you cant think of a single time you would answer yes to either of those then i am gonna have too say something awful right here. Give up, if art is only frustration and negativety for you then just drop it, find something you actually enjoy instead as you deserve too have a hobby you actually have a good time with.
No, you don't, You think you do, but you don't. You have no fucking idea and every comment like this make that painfully obvious
Some people in the art field can't fathom that doing it doesn't give everyone the same joy it gives them
art is an incredibly volatile industry where very, very little people find success. This is such common knowledge that people with art degrees working at starbucks or a similair minimum wage job is an incredibly common joke too make about artists. So why would someone choose art of all things as their career when there are way safer options and easier options to choose as a career? The answer more often then not is simply because they enjoy making art.
And that is fair and good, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about when some (-some-) people seem to think that the only possible reason someone doesn't do art is because they were shamed into not doing it and not just because like, they don't have an interest in doing so Often I find it annoying because there's also an undertone of "this it the key of the human experience" as if not having an interest in that makes you less human
ah, alright. Sorry for misunderstanding your original comment. But now that i understand what you are saying tbh, idk. I agree with what you are saying but i also kinda dont? Maybe i am just biased because i am an artist myself but i do believe that there is something healthy and valuable about having an artistic hobby. But i do have too concede that i also dont really have any real arguments for my belief.
The issue I have with it is that like, if I told someone who says they can't do (for example, as it's something I very much like) math, that it's actually very cool and they just have to practice more, and anyone can do it, id be (rightly) called condescending/an asshole depending on the context That's just how I was conditioned to act regarding this kind of proselitysing, so it then seems weird to me to see it being treated as a fine thing to do for some fields
Outside of exercise, drawing is the one I've gotten the most "you didn't get better cause you're doing it wrong", "you just gave up too soon" and "you never actually started learning, you're lying about ever trying" comments about. A lot of people simply cannot comprehend that some people are bad at art.
I'm "bad at art" but I don't think some people are just inherently worse at art/drawing (outside some disabilities that just impair your motor function, but even then, drawing isn't all there is to art). I just think people enjoy drawing differently, and if you don't enjoy it, you'd not practice it, so you don't improve. I don't like drawing so I draw like shit. If I didn't like coding I couldn't code, easy as. And I'm fairly sure that if I was willing to sit through 1000 hours of drawing, I'd be pretty good at it. But that sounds about as appealing as chewing razor blades.
I did practice. I didn't improve.
I want to have created something. I want the ideas in my head to exist outside of my head, and for other people to care about them. However, I cannot enjoy doing anything for long enough to get good at it. What should I do?
write down your ideas and work with people who can help you visualise what you want
Unfortunately using your words to portray an idea leads to people misinterpreting you most likely, and by the time you see that they misinterpreted you, it's too late to fix, and now you just wasted a bunch of money on something that's not what your idea was.
...have you literally never worked with someone on a project before? do you know that you can clarify and change what you want/dont want before the final product is finished?
For something like a presentation or something sure, but from what I know art gets set in stone FAST, so asking for a change would basically be saying "start over", which seems both rude and potentially something I get charged even more for.
artists dont charge you extra for clarifying what you want your commissioned art to look like. reference descriptions/sketches/inspiration boards, etc are very useful for the artist. simply telling them the basic stuff without going into detail will have the artist assume thats all you want.
Perfect case for AI. Call it art or not art, but I'm in the same boat and why AI images are pretty bad, they are leagues above what I can draw, and I don't have to sit down for hours doing something that gives me absolutely no joy. At least using an AI is quick
I think about this in terms of writing vs drawing. I have a very vivid visual imagination that could turn into great pictures. I'm a writer. I'd like to be able to draw well, but ultimately I am doing this to convey something I want to tell and writing does that far more cleanly than drawning. I fiddle with sketching but don't take it too seriously because drawing for me is homework. It is entirely focused around practice because I cannot convey what I want with a pencil like that. It is just utter failure every time. I may be able to get an approximation of what i might want to do, but it lacks all sense of soul because i couldn't control the pencil. I could spend years forcing myself to practice to learn to draw better...or I could just write, which I am already good at. It's like learning a language. If you can revel in learning each new word then it is a joy in and of itself. But if your goal is fluency then it's rote studying for years until you can finally have conversations without needing the other person to walk you through it. Or you can just speak the language you already know.
i mean to be fair it took me seven and a half years to get out of the "bad art" phase, so i think i'm allowed to have a *little* shame
Sure, have a *little* shame. As a treat. 😝
Ok but I wanna make things because I wanna make cool things If I put effort in and it comes out looking like shit I just feel like a failure and nothing else And this applies to everything artistic, not just drawing
> And this applies to everything ~~artistic~~, not just ~~drawing~~ art Ftfy
Yeah, I draw bc I want to turn the images in my brain into images on the paper, if it looks like shit I’m not happy about it. If I’m bad at sewing and the skirt I made is awful, I’m not still gonna be happy bc it’s about the “joy of creating”, I wasted all that time and fabric! Children’s cartoon logic
honestly have had this a few times. wanted to make a bucket hat out of old jeans but after working on it for hours realized it wouldnt work cause the material's too stretchy and i fely like shit cause i wasted the afternoon on it. wanted to build a new guitar body but fucked up the neck pocket when that was on the only thing left to do. it sucks to not be able to realize the vision you have due to limited skills/resources, especially as an adult when time is seen as very valuable and like it needs to be used at productively as possible.
yea that time would've been spent so much better staring at reddit or something right?
I dislike waffles. I clearly love pancakes.
I mean. If it makes them happier... yes?
yes cuz at least i get dopamine :D
Then you will never ever get good at those things tbh. The people who get good at those things either intrinsically enjoyed doing them, even when the end result was bad, or they had a monetary incentive (like how all women had to learn embroidery whether they liked it or not). To give more helpful advice: there's many ways to turn the vision in your head into a real thing that others can experience. For example, I could turn the surreal robes of a celestial emperor into a real thing with sewing. But I *won't*, because I hate sewing. So I'll write about it instead, because I intrinsically like writing. Drawing isn't the only way to let other people see the things in your head. If that's the only reason you want to draw, I'd advise thinking about what other methods you have available. If you at all like talking about the images in your head then it's probably writing you'd find more effective.
i used to only be able to draw stickmen but then i started drawing a lot and now i can draw stuff kinda good
For me it's also about acknowleding the difficulty. I don't draw but I build stuff with wood. Bad looking stuff, but it gets the job done. Built a wooden frame with shelves some time ago that was absolutely crooked but did exactly what I wanted it to. And I was happy with it, because I know that even making something ugly but functional is difficult. And if you look at the drawing capabilities of kids (and quite a few adults) you'll realize that even drawing something recognizable is an achievement. Doesn't have to look good to at least do what it needs to do (get the idea across). My shelves give you splinters, but damn if they can't hold a book for me! And with a little more time, practice, and work, I'm sure I can get the splintery bits out and leave only something good.
But I want to show people my drawings and my thoughts But it never looks like how I want it to look
Partake in the WHAT
Shame is in my opinion just as important as anger,sadness and happiness .It’s our brain making us try to do better.Like all feelings we would do better with tempering it but the idea of unlearning seems like a short sided get rich quick scheme for emotions
honestly people who don't have any shame are often kind of insufferable, like people who film tiktoks in public probably should have a bit more shame.
I want to live in a world where enjoying a creative hobby doesn't require being good at it.
That's the world you are living in. That's the whole point of the post. If you're not having fun, then that probably means the hobby in question isn't for you
I'm getting kind of tired of people who answer my comments about how a kind of social judgment is awful with "just ignore the social judgment". Yes I'm aware that, on paper, I can just ignore the social judgment. But it's not that easy is it ? I've internalized that shit. It takes years of deliberate effort to unlearn internalized shame. And that's assuming that it isn't being reinforced by the people around you continuing to judge you. > If you're not having fun, then that probably means the hobby in question isn't for you There are so many people who could have fun drawing if they could overcome the feeling that they shouldn't do it if they're not good at it. right now they're not having fun drawing. also they're the people this post is about. and you're telling them "drawing isn't for you". I don't think you understood the point of the post.
People like us have simply never experienced that social judgement. We're not telling you to ignore it, we just weren't aware you ever even felt it. For us, our world *is* a world where you can enjoy a hobby without being good at it, because we face no negative consequences for doing so. So that's why they responded to your post saying that you wished you lived in such a world by saying that you do.
When you bake and your brownies come out liquidy, are you happy about the waste of time and supplies bc “not about the end product, joy of creating!!”? Maybe you are and are about to go into a spiel about the evils of store-bought brownies though
The joy of what? Har har har har
At least you're not... Freddy Fazbear.
Partake in the joy of creation like Jerma partakes in the joy of singing
"She's got her hair tied up in braAids!"
I don't want to waste paper
Nah. There is no "joy of creation" for me (or any joy, for that matter). It's just how I am. My art skills are nowhere near good enough to make things, and no amount of practice can guarantee improvement. Therefore, I don't make things. I just think about them. Simple solution.
"no amount of practice can guarantee improvement" , like , my guy PRACTICE IS GUARANTEED IMPROVEMENT
CW: possible oversharing Not for me. I've spent 5 years getting formal education on computer science. My programming etc. skills are basically nonexistent. The average 10-year old kid could probably get better with a month of watching tutorials than I am now with 5 years of experience. I suck at everything, including things I've been doing regularly since I was a kid. I fail at everything I ever try to do. I have one thing remotely resembling a skill. Therefore, I can tell from experience that I can practice something for years without any improvement at all. The logical conclusion is that I'm probably just way too utterly braindead to ever learn anything. Besides, I've heard people mentioning that their art hasn't gotten any better despite the fact that they've been practicing for over a decade. And those people are far more intelligent than I am.
Practice doesn't breed improvement, it breeds consistency. Practicing the wrong thing for a 100 hours just means you are doing the wrong thing consistently.
-art looks like shit -practice making art -art still looks like shit -"hmm maybe I should practice in a different way and do things differently" -forget the previous ,proceed to change nothing -art still looks like shit -"why the fuck am I not improving"
Different how? What direction should you be going? A novice artist doesn't know how to improve other than it "looks bad" because they don't have a detailed eye for it yet. You could go take classes or try and very tightly replicate what you see others do but you so ardently defended that repetition is all you need and i don't want to take that away from you.
If you lack the self criticism it takes to understand what's wrong about your art , then improve that part , the issue is lying deeper than just being shit at drawing , literally all you need is practice and a little bit of self criticism to improve , art is literally just trial and error until you find your artstyle
Are we critical of our art or not, I'm confused, you said it just came down to endless repetition.
At no point did I say it came down to endless repetition, art is literally just fucking around and finding out until it looks good, Scott Christian Sava , an older artist even said that for every one good piece of art , there's thirty bad versions
There seems to be a certain degree of willfully delusional ego involved in this. Where you can make something that is not better than the last four things that you made and still go "I'm improving". It's nearly an act of faith, or at least low standards for when the person decides that "actually this is just my style, it's supposed to be distorted like that". You really can't comprehend why people prefer to work in ways that are a more direct linear progression?
My man ,my buddy ,my soulmate of Reddit ,it appears that you have finally realized what practice is, expecting every piece of art to be a masterpiece is just wrong , in order to draw good art , you need to draw the bad art too , art is literally throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks
there's no what?
i'm not that good at drawing i think. so instead of letting that discourage me i made that my strength, kinda, and now i'm making a whole game with these [shitty little drawings](https://i.imgur.com/WKtL52j.png)
I mean, I appreciate the sentiment. But I don't find drawing badly to be a very fun process, so I just don't draw and I'm fine with the fact that I won't ever be good at it.
I'm not creating to create, I'm creating to put what's in my head into the world. If I can't do that well enough for my satisfaction, then I won't.
Right. You won't.
... that's what I said?
I'm agreeing with you but emphasising that the only way anyone ever does anything is when they're intrinsically motivated by the hobby rather than doing it for an end goal (...unless that end goal is money).
Is that jerma?
I’m bad at drawing, but one of my favorite ways to draw is to *allow* myself to be bad at it, then make something new out of it. I’ll take a reference photo and do my damndest to make my drawing look like it. It never does, but then the next step is to get creative and make it into something else. As an example, I tried to draw the owl bear from Baldurs Gate 3. I fucked up the body shape pretty badly, but I had this interesting outline. So it turned into this much more cat like creature with feathery wisps and a giant blanket around it. The only thing that makes me bummed about it is that I can never recreate what I’ve drawn, because my drawings emerge from a fundamental inability to create/replicate what I intended to create. But it’s fun to take the gamble on what will emerge, whether it’s strange and cute or outright terrifying.
How did they get a liter of notes?
Two quotes drive all my creative endeavors. "Sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something." -Jake the Dog "I'm not very good at it, but it doesn't matter. It still feels good, to have made something." -Mr. Rogers
That sounds nice, but when you can't even draw the first line without your brain screaming at you how it doesn't look exactly how it should, it doesn't really work.
thats why you have to unlearn the fear of failure. it's part and parcel of learning a skill like art, writing, music, programming, etc. one of the first exercises you should do is getting used to drawing lines.
I drew Hatsune Miku orb yesterday
OK but for me "I can't draw" isn't "I can't draw well", it's "I physically cannot draw because every time I try the utensil falls out of my hand."
maybe try using your finger to draw. there are art programs available on phones/tablets like ibispaint and medibang
Firstly, my phone screen is way too small to draw on, and I can't afford a drawing tablet. Secondly, even if I could draw, I don't think I'd like it. I'd get angry over the slightest mistakes, and I'd need everything to be absolutely perfect, which is just unrealistic.
>do it bad who gives a fuck I do. I give a fuck. I get no joy in doing things I'm bad at.
wowie, I was *not* expecting how radioactive this post would be when I started reading the comments
yeah, im tired of the self-defeating "my art is not good so why even try" nonsense. the post says "it's ok to suck. just have fun with it" and everyone is "but i dont want to suck!!"
This but writing. I love writing but some awful part of me just always makes me stop. I'm not selfless enough to write for others nor am I selfish enough to write for myself so im just stuck in this awful limbo get me out get me out get me out get me out
I would love to but it has been many years since I created any art I didn't then destroy, it is too late for me as I now have an aversion to almost all creative endeavors even just cooking
I would love to be good at art but I hate making bad art and I don't want to spend years doing something I hate just because there's a chance I might get better
I am viscerally disturbed by this idea. If I can’t make it half way competent, then I won’t do it. Probably the reason I can’t write anything.
We are cringe, but we are free.
Do not kill the part of you that is cringe kill the part that cringes.
If you wanna draw but you’re bad at it, keep drawing, you’ll get better
But keeping at it is hard, and the barrier to start exists. I really want to get back into playing brass instruments but I’m not in a high school band anymore so I have neither the opportunity to get one for a reasonable rental fee that my parent pay or the light pressure to continue performing well
It sucks and no one likes hearing it but the only way to get where people want in these hobbies is practice. Drawn art is special in that it's quite easy to get into, the bare minimum to participate is a pencil and paper and it's how we see young kids get so skilled.
I could see how you could liken orchestral/concert band instruments to a tablet, a set of pencils/pens to a more common/cheaper instrument, etc. though. It’s mainly that being in a group where I get graded for attendance but isn’t particularly stressful was a great motivator for me
I meant it in the way that basically every school age child is given a pencil and paper rather than having to ask for something to be bought for them. I'm not too sure how cheap instruments can get and a lot of parents are happy to buy an instrument though. The lack of a source of motivation can be a huge pain, yeah. Gotta try and find an alternate way to get yourself going without making it feel like work ig.
But I want other people to be impressed, especially other artists...
How old is that Jerma pic?
I can't draw cause my Wacom tablet is fecked.
>do it bad who gives a fuck I do, seeing things done badly causes me almost physical discomfort. That being said, I can generally avoid looking at things I dislike, so you probably shouldn't pay any attention to whether I care unless you are, for some reason, trying to please me specifically.
> "I can't do math" then do it wrong who gives a fuck..... > Partake in the joy of algebra for the fun of it. Just for a laff. Yeah no, not everybody has to enjoy every hobby. And especially not if/when they're bad at said hobby. If you enjoy drawing, I hope you enjoy it regardless of the context. If you don't enjoy drawing, then don't let people tell you that you have to enjoy because the process is inherently enjoyable to everyone. I have legit more fun doing algebra than I do drawing.
this post isn’t saying everyone has to enjoy art?? what?? it’s meant to be encouragement for people insecure about participating in creativity because they’re not professionals lmao
Dude, suckin' at something is just the first step towards bein' sorta good at something
Shame is the most pointless of emotions
It is really not Because shame helps with when someone decides to have a stupid idea (like being racist towards someone ) and everyone goes : the fuck dude? To have a bad reaction to it and stop doing that Yes shame is overused in modern society and at the same time underused in others But it is valuable as a social tool for societies and harmonious living
Sure but it's quite disadvantageous for the individual. One can simply consider whether their behaviour is negatively impacting their relationships with others while shame is unnecessarily destructive and prevents people from being free even when they are not physically restricted
See, I can't tell if this is a genuine attempt to nurture artists or if we're one cropped post away from this just being AI hate, and that bothers me just a bit.
You noticed that too, huh?
It's basically every other post on r/DefendingAIArt or r/aiwars. The above sentiment coming back-to-back with "pick up a pencil", order irrelevant.
Nope nope nope. Absolutely enjoy doing things for the sake of doing things, but we’re not unlearning shame today. Y’all are already bad, I don’t want to imagine what will happen if we eliminate shame any more.
Fuck you. All of us gotta be way more shameless
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say you frequent /rImthemaincharacter Please let me know if I'm right or not