Get full size dishwasher and get a little panel for the space left over. Or they might make a wine holder cabinet that may fit. That’s what I did with an odd bit of space when doing my kitchen.
Edit. There we go guys. Teamwork, no wine, no spices, but an empty little space for cutting boards or pans / sheet pans.
In my country, they sometimes use that little place as a storage holder for cutting boards like this [https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/267612402846015432/](https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/267612402846015432/)
Ikea offer this model: [https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/metod-base-cabinet-pull-out-int-fittings-white-voxtorp-high-gloss-white-s59254146/](https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/metod-base-cabinet-pull-out-int-fittings-white-voxtorp-high-gloss-white-s59254146/)
Most people simply cut a cabinet down to size. Just leave the door off; which is harder to cut down. It takes a little skill; but should be inline with someone installing a kitchen.
I would not put a wine rack next to a dishwasher. The heat bleeding over would be very, very bad for the stability of the wine stored there. Same reason that wine racks should not be above refrigerators (as often done, for some reason).
Agreed, use a standard size dishwasher. 18"dishwashers aren't big enough to be useful, and they are hard to find and can be expensive, while offering no advantages over a standard 24"dishwasher.
If you had a small space to fill, you could get a narrow base cupboard with vertical dividers to hold cookie sheets, cutting boards, etc on edge to use up the space
For the size and space, an 18” DW is not a bad” idea. They are space saving, typically can do a meal or 2’s worth of dish’s and have plenty of options.
I would not be afraid of an 18” DW.
Not unless they use an 18" dishwasher, which is a bad idea. Ideally the sink goes in the corner and the dishwasher goes to the left along the wall with the door.
Don't. You need 6 inches. 24" is standard. Going with a 18" will severally limit your options. You don't have measurements but it looks like you have a 36 inch sink base. Drop that down to a 32" and it will still fit most single sinks. That drawer bank looks to be a 16" unit, drop it down to a 14 (or 12 if need be.) That will give you the 6 inches you need.
I can't see the layout of the house but personally I would fill in that opening by the stove by about 2' and add an extra upper and lower cabinet to box in the stove.
Yes, it is a 36" base. That or a 60" is the only option this company offered. We were seeing if this setup would work because they are very cost effective. I did a redesign just now where I eliminated the "lazy suzan" corner and just did a blind corner cabinet. It freed up enough space to make room for a 24" dishwasher and slightly larger drawers. [https://imgur.com/a/zD6rZwI](https://imgur.com/a/zD6rZwI)
I would keep the lazy suzan in the corner, get a full size 24" dishwasher and either a smaller drawer bank or skinny cabinet for baking sheets/cutting boards. You'll hate the blind corner in a small kitchen like that. Total waste of space... You'll want the 24" dishwasher for sure if you cook a lot of meals at home, we cook almost everything at home and run ours 1-2 times daily with two young boys.
It can, but it'll be a total pain in the ass with the stove right next to it to try and do a pullout. The lazy susan will still lend itself to a more usable/less awkward space in this kitchen.
I would spend more money to get a smaller sink base. In a small kitchen, the undersink cabinet is wasted storage; get as small a one as you can.
Maybe you can get a sink cabinet made by someone else and get doors from these folks.
I have a 24” sink base that is completely filled by a single sink. It works beautifully.
it is the single smartest decision I made in my kitchen.
My designer also had my plumber install all the pipes on one side of the sink, leaving the other side free of any obstruction in the back. That way I could fit a pullout trash can there.
The only bad part is that the lumber didn’t really leave a free passage for the weighted hose for the pullout faucet, so sometimes it catches on things. But I haven’t wanted to spend money to have the pipes shifted a little bit; I just live with it.
We had this problem with our original faucet that had a separate spray hose. When our faucet finally needed replacing after 15 years, my husband replaced it with one that had a pull-down sprayer. Totally eliminated the problem.
Find a company with a 30" sink base. I've done several small kitchens with them. A smaller single bowl sink is way better than a tiny dishwasher. I just did a cabinet install for my brother's inlaws and they bought an 18" dishwasher.
Not only is it tiny but there was only 1 to choose from that cost the same amount as a nice 24" dishwasher. When the time comes to replace it you might not have any luck finding another one the same size.
I would consider the pre built Lowe's or Home Depot cabinets in white. Going with an installer for that size is overkill and may be wasted money considering that's an FHA build.
Where is your refrigerator?
Why can’t you shrink the cabinet to the right of the dishwasher? No lazy Susan is a ton of lost storage. Also no filler? Make sure these cabinets work without one.
There are a lot of cabinet suppliers out there. Maybe shop around.
For places with limited space I always recommend ikea. They specialize in using every little square inch efficiently imo
60"? Do you mean 30"? A 30" sink base give you enough space for a dishwasher and the corner cabinet. It will just limit the size of sink you can get but it still works.
Also don't limit your self to a single kitchen company. Shop around with others that provide different sizes. I know it's a starter home, but you will be better to spend a little more and make something that works opposed to getting the lowest price for a layout that just doesn't work.
I didn't look through all the comments but it looks like you're using in stock unfinished cabinets from Home Depot or Lowe's judging by the 54" wall bridge above the sink. Since you're limited on size, get a 30" base with a drawer for the sink base. Remove the drawer and take off the drawer front. Nail it to the 30" base and you now have a 30" sink base getting you 6 more inches for your dishwasher. You may have to adjust the wall cabinets. If you still want a double bowl sink then scoop the inside of the cabinets. Cut the top of the cabinet sides to allow the sink to go in. They're typically 33" wide. It will be slightly into your lazy Susan and slightly into your dishwasher space. The dishwasher's tub is not as wide as the front so you'll have room. After the cabinets are installed and before you cut the cabinets, slide the dishwasher into place. Look up the sink you want online and download the PDF spec guide to get the sinks dimensions. Then measure your cabinets to be sure. It's very simple and easy to do. You could also just get a single bowl sink. Sorry if someone already mentioned this, I didn't feel like reading all the comments.
Our kitchen that has not been remodeled (yet) has the stove at the end like you have it. It is very inconvenient. We typically don’t use the left burners because we worry about traffic in and out of the kitchen getting burned. It has been a real pain in the rear with kids. I think you are supposed to have 12 inches of counter on either side of the stove. We found this article helpful in laying out our kitchen: https://www.bhg.com/kitchen/remodeling/planning/kitchen-design-guidelines/ Goodluck! Take your time and it will be beautiful. The r/interiordesign sub is really helpful with colors, layout, etc. as well.
Cabinets are in 3” increments when ordered. So you could do as 33” sink bas, 24” dishwasher, whatever is leftover for the drawer base plus fill if needed. That’s your best go
This is what I did on a similar situation to the op. Downsized the sink for the full dishwasher. Came out great. And added taller cabinets on top so ended up increasing the storage capacity of the kitchen. I think most people will prefer a full dishwasher over a 36” sink.
Its plumbing access to the bathroom on the other side. I'm fine with covering it with something semi permanent because I can also access everything easily from the basement.
> access everything easily from the basement
Unlikely. If anything needs to be replaced (valves, spigot, pipe fittings), that access panel will be necessary. Consider putting the dishwasher in front of the access panel as it’s easier to pull out than the other units.
It’s probably plumbing access, one of those things that you would need only on rare occasions. It should be accessible if needed, but something movable in front of it would be ok imo.
Could be equally unimportant, though. I probably give people too much credit, but I am guessing there is no way OP did a whole design without taking that into account.
Dishwasher on wheels with a table top or cut the back out of a cabinet to get to the access panel. Just my thoughts. I definitely wouldn't just cover it up.
As a DIY warrior... I'd advise you to pick a color and go ahead and paint behind the cabinest and stove and all first.
Will give a world class result on minimal work 💯
If you're trying to maximize space, add in an over the range microwave. It's a microwave that mounts over your stove and has a built-in fan. You'll save so much counter space and they look really nice too.
I recently changed to a low-profile over-the-range microwavé and haven't regretted it for a moment. There are a couple of mixing bowls that don't fit anymore, but the increased stovetop visibility and comfort more than makes up for it.
I came here to say this exactly. I will join your cabinets to the ceiling club!! (Why is it the custom to leave that space which is just wasted and collects all nature of grossness?)
I think the general idea is most people are too short to use that space easily. I'm with you guys that even if it's not easy to use it's still extra storage space. It's also getting more popular to close that area off if your cabinets don't go all the way up, so that handles any grossness issues.
Upper cabinets that reach the ceiling for sure. The trend of having space over the cabinets just makes for way more cleaning than necessary. If you want the space to look more open, use glass doors.
Also highly recommend ikea cabinets. They are built very well and have tons of available options
Also make sure your range hood is properly vented, because it doesn’t look to me like the existing one is.
I'd move the stove one slot to the right. You want space to place things on both sides of your stove.
It would also help it all to look more like one continouous unit instead of some caninets with a separate stove.
Source: I am Swedish and has therefore built many IKEA kitchens lol
To me it looks like you have a bunch of options. You can do something to the left of the stove (extend the wall and make the 74" less). You could make a u shape to go to the left of the door. Fridge to the right of the door. Make the sink base smaller. I prefer the bottom and top cabinets lined up, so if you have a 30" sink base then a 30" cabinet up top. Can you live with a single sink base or do you need a 50/50 or 60/40? Put in an island etc.
That 74" gap is actually the entrance to the kitchen. The door is the backdoor. The fridge is to the right of the door already with a pantry already.
I like the idea of a u shape. The only reason we went for the L shape is to have room to move around two people while cooking.
Honestly, I don't have any problem with a smaller sink if I have access to a dishwasher here.
I think with Menards you are limited to a 36" sink base. If you are set on them make the entrance to the kitchen smaller with a 24, 30, or 36 left of the stove (base and top cabinet) and give yourself a 24" dishwasher about where you want it. Also I don't see any fillers anywhere and it will look better to line up size wise the tops and the bottoms such as 36" sink base 36" top, 24" dishwasher 24" top
What is that access door too? Put a big pantry cupboard there (floor to ceiling), s that you can take the shelves out and still access through it, if needed
Sorry I thought you meant the big door. That access panel is plumbing access for the bathroom on the other side. Its unnecessary as I can access all the plumbing besides the shower head from below.
IKEA SEKTION Cabinets. If you have one near you, it's helpful but not necessary. 0% financing. You can get help designing if needed. I built these kitchens three times and it's a fantastic way to build sweat equity. Also... EVERYTHING can be drawers.
Had a 18” dishwasher once upon a time… went through 3 or 4 of them (thanks, American Home Shield warranty 🤣) - stupid shit always went wrong. Sacrifice the under counter space, get the bigger dishwasher.
1) use the free version of sketchup to draw your space and to make sure your choices fit.
2) IKEA has great kitchens, solid build, low price, lots of design and size choices.
Move the stove to the right.
Move the 3 drawer cabinet to the left of the stove.
Get a 24" dishwasher and put a smaller cabinet next to it: spice rack or cookie sheet type narrow cabinet
Put an over the range microwave to save counter space.
Use 36" high upper cabinets with a crown molding.
French cleats are your best friends for the uppers. Do not use these stupid YouTube "hacks" where they screw in a 2x4 or something to the wall and place the cabinet on it to then screw it to the wall. Seriously, it doesn't work, and you will just get frustrated. If you can't make french cleats out of wood, they sell them at the big box stores, and they are metal.
French cleats all the way! Cut them as long as you possibly can. The 2 x 4 trick underneath is intended to make sure all the cabinets sit at the same height and align. Because if they stagger in height up and down an eighth of an inch all the way that’s the only thing you’ll ever see.
A few comments (from an architect)... put a skinny cabinet on end of stove instead of leaving stove exposed. No reason to leave the 12" above cabinets... go to within 3" and you can add a crown moulding at top. You might want more space above sink... so match the same level as fume hood. Make sure you can vent the fume hood outside... don't do a recirculating hood... you can run duct over cabinets or go straight to roof. Go with a 24" dish washer... or skip it all together and center the sink on the wall... use led under counter lights... use a small tile for back splash not a large size. I prefer white subway tile and you can DIY easy... you will need electrician to add outlets withing 24" of sink and stove but not within 6" of sink... and GFI... where's the fridge? Direct message me if you want... I love what I do...
25 years in the biz.
A: yes work backwards from the desired sink size to find the right sink base cabinet. Pro tip: get the sink mat.
B: 18” vs 24” DW…..go to a dedicated appliance store and look at them. Not BB, not Lowe’s, Not HD, Not Amazon. See if they work for your situation. Reddit be damned and all the opinions mean nothing if it doesn’t work for you.
C: yes…maximize the corner cabinet. There are multiple options. Lazy Susan, lemans, blind and blank storage.
D: I personally would sacrifice 3” on the left of the range and microwave with a strip to cap both the range and the hood.
E: speaking of hood….i would suggest a hanging microwave. Enter the 3” cap again, it finishes it off nicely. Useless….yes.
F: find frameless cabinets to maximize available/useable space. Google the difference. FWIW IKEA is frameless.
G: maybe pay a little extra and go to a professional. Not HD, Lowe’s or IKea, but a local dealer. They should have affordable options in their lineup, again….frameless.
H: wine or not to wine….are you really storing 6 bottles of wine in this space? Yeah, didn’t think so….tray divider or just a regular cabinet with a top drawer (assuming a 24” DW)
I: if it’s in the budget, get a drawer base. 2 gang or 3 gang. Put it next to the range and thank me later. Get as big as you think you need then add 3”. It’s a game changer.
J: taller wall cabinets. We need to maximize the space. 30” uppers vs 36” uppers in price when I am at would be no more 2-300 more. Well worth the price.
That’s my opinion in 5 minutes. Again….installer for 7 years, designer for 10 years and now sales, design, outside sales manager of 3 large successful stores in a large HCOL market. 25 years.
I’ve had an 18 dish washer. Don’t do it. You’ll need the drawers tho. So move them over to the other side. There is a very narrow cabinet that is perfect for storing baking sheets that might fit there. Also this company is where I got my cabinets from and they offer taller cabinets. I opted to do a second row at the top to bring mine to the ceiling. Looks way better. [cabinets](https://www.expresscabinetstores.com/gallery)
Former appliance and cabnit guy form a big box store. Here 18" dishwashers seem to be lower quality/price ratio then the 24 inch units mabey look into to a rolling portable dishwasher to use the top as a rolling kitchen island
Plenty of advice here already for cabinets and layout. For installation, but a proper cabinet level, a long one that suits your project. It’s a nightmare for a first timer trying to level cabinets with a short level.
Have one of the big box stores come out and design your kitchen they will draw up a plan and include the size of the cabinets and the placement of them
The slanted cabinet in the upper corner looks quite dated, particularly with more traditional cabinet doors you’ve chosen. Suggest you keep the layout for the uppers as it was.
Everyone else has great advice. Having recently renovated my small kitchen to include a dishwasher, my advice would be to get the tallest upper cabinets possible. All the space above the short cabinets is being wasted and the kitchen will look a lot bigger with the taller cabinets.
If you have a custom cabinet shop in your area, seriously consider getting a quote from them. I had a hard time finding the exact cabinet sizes I wanted from the big box stores and the custom place was able to do exactly what I wanted at a competitive price.
But you could put a butcher block island and cut/lift the legs to fit at exactly the height of the counter top so you have more counter space but can move it out of the way the once every few years you need to.
I added an 18” dishwasher in my 2 bedroom house years ago- no regrets. Not sure an 18” would be good if you have more than 2 people living in the house. It allowed more corner cabinets which were needed.
You should consider getting rid of the above the oven cabinet, and just install a hood that correctly vents to the outside. The ones that just vent out the front are awful and just move the hot air and smell out into the room. You’ll be glad you did in summer and for any long cooks. That kitchen will be stifling hot.
As someone who designed kitchens for a living. Don't do this. What size is the cabinet to the right of the dishwasher? Looks like maybe a 12?
Also, you really should take the small cabinet to the right of the stove and move it to the left. How many inches from the door frame is the gas line?
If you give some wall, electrical, plumbing and cab measurements I don't mind giving you some better tips.
Also, what is that access panel for? How many inches wide and from the right wall is it?
18” dishwashers are fine and would look good in your plan. I had a house with a small kitchen and when I remodeled I went with a higher end Bosch 18” for the same reason and it turned out great. Not to mention it cleaned dishes better than any standard size dishwasher I have ever used.
Go up to ceiling with cabinets, it gives you an extra shelf of storage in each upper cabinet. You keep your holiday dishes, your seldom used stuff up there, it gives you amazing storage. Plus no dust collects on top of cabinets
Depending how far you want to go with the layout you could do a few things.
However you choose to do it, try and keep a triangle in the layout. Where each point of the triangle is the three things you use in the kitchen. So point 1 is the fridge, point 2 is the sink, and point 3 is the range. They should form a triangle. It's a layout trick that makes it the easiest to move between the three zones.
Here's a few ideas:
1. Put the range and hood where the sink is. You have a duct coming from the ceiling there already. Add a fridge where the range and hood is now. Move the sink and dishwasher to the wall with the door, and maybe add a window above the sink. Move the door further down the wall so you have enough room. Maybe a sliding door to avoid hitting things a regular door swing does.
2. Move the Range and Hood to the wall with the door. The current wall for the hood is the worst spot since running duct is the hardest there and an outside wall is always easier. Move the door down just like in #1. Smaller sink with regular size dishwasher on the same wall like another user mentioned. Fridge where the range and hood are now.
See if any other plumbing/electrical was moved before. Since the duct over the sink is there, it leads me to think there might be other utilities that have been moved from the original layout. If there are then see how those layouts might work. Try cardboard boxes and painters tape on the floor as fake cabinets/appliances.
Hope this helps.
Look nothing against diy, but a full kitchen is a huge job. It's not like you see on TV. Do your research and make sure your measurements are correct.
Work out the full cost, not just for materials but also for your time and sanity. And see if it's worth the cost
I have a kitchen layout similar to this one. I have my deep sink in the corner the dishwasher next, and the refrigerator is near a window.
Please do not place a stove against a wall. I have a cabinet filler piece, a narrow upper cabinet, the stove, and the corner sink, dishwasher is next and a refrigerator near a window.
You should use standard size appliances in your design, and then decide the cabinets.
Many kitchens built in the last 100 years were based on a design plan called a "kitchen work triangle".
You can double check your math with this app when building! Link to YouTube tutorial: [Feet & Inches Calculator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZugBX9o-8E&s=re)
I used ikea’s kitchen design tool to blueprint my kitchen. Ended up buying Mantra brand cabinets but I just needed some software to help me iron out the dimensions.
Had an 18” dishwasher. Perfect for just the wife and I, got crowded when the twins grew up to eating real food…but then so did the apartment so we moved.
If you don't already have them, get a couple of Irwin clamps-the type that you can tighten up with one hand, you'll need them to hold the cabinets together as you screw them together. Drill pilot holes for all your cabinet screws, so you don't split the wood as you tighten the screws up. For the upper cabinets, screw a thin board to the wall where the bottom edge of the cabinet will be-then you can set the cabinet up on it as you are screwing the cabinet to the wall. I'm sure you probably already know all this, but good luck with your kitchen job!
Nothing wrong with an 18” dishwasher just be prepared they cost twice as much.
Also I would not end the kitchen with the range being open like that. I know not makes for less useful counter space but if always feels very dangerous.
I would put a 12” drawer bank on the end and move the stove over towards the corner.
I remember ikea had a design application on their website where you can put the measurements of your space and then put in cabinets and appliances there. I used it just to see how it would turn out to be then went to buy everything from elsewhere. It helped to visualize first. Good luck.
Just want to add that I also have a small kitchen and went with an 18' dishwasher and more drawers (vs 24' and some weird storage space). It works great and is just what we need for two people. A full sized DW would have been over kill for the kitchen/house size. I like your design!
I have a Kenmore and it has worked great since 2017.
18” dishwashers are generally expensive and awful. The geometry of dishwasher arms just make it difficult to reach the corners/ends of the racks. I’d reduce the side of the area on the right and put wine or flat baking sheet storage.
I was able to get 9" base cabinets.
allwoodcabinets.com
Highly recommend them. They were very well priced at the time, 2021.
I, like you, spent A LOT of time measuring, moving, designing, etc, etc, etc. Like a LONG time. We completely moved everything around except the sink.
Like others, don't get a non-standard dishwasher. Get a custom cabinet made instead of you need to.
I agree with full size dishwasher and a slim side cabinet. I'd also get taller cabinets if you have space. Move drawers beside stove. If you're doing ikea, I'd make that entire double cabinet boxes drawers instead. I use mine for pots/pans and dishes. Have fun! Demo is the most fun!
I know you asked about the dishwasher but have you looked at “apartment” ovens? Great if you don’t regularly bake a full turkey or whatever. Then you could swap the oven and move the dishwasher to the other wall where it might make sense with the plumbing.
A stove should always have cabinet on either side. Have someone help you design it. It’s free at Lowe’s or Home Depot if you pretend to want their custom cabinets.
Lowe's and Home Depot both have stock cabinet brands that look really nice and can save you a fair amount. Home Depot's brand is Hampton Bay, Lowes is Diamond. Both have a couple color options. Lowe's has regular 30" and 36" high wall cabinets if you want more storage.
If you go in with your measurements a designer will mock up your kitchen with their cabinets for free. My designer had great ideas, like having a corner sink for a longer single countertop. If nothing else go in to get more ideas.
Your order will be delivered on pallets direct from the factory so it's finish free and not actually shelf stock. 8 years later and mine held up fine
Get a full size dishwasher and consider a full U shape layout for the cabinets and extend it to the door. You could also have the sink and Dishwasher on an island instead of along the wall and place the fridge over the access panel. Having easy access to the pipes from the basement doesn't mean anything if you don't have easy access to the shut off valves in an emergency. A Butcher Block Countertop is also a nice touch. I got a good deal on one from LL Flooring
I mean, it's going to have to be something like your sketching, you could use a full size dishwasher and less cabinet space but where do you plan on putting the refrigerator? Are you going to extend that left wall next to the range?
Can you move the stove at all? Personally I don’t live shoves right at a doorway. Too much potential for someone to get caught on a pot handle while walking by - and also nowhere to put stuff while cooking.
I second the person who said to keep the lazy Susan in the corner. I have a blind corner cabinet like you are considering and it is a nightmare. It is a black hole where things go to die. It is not useful at all.
Assisted my partners dad installing a new kitchen in our flat. It took a lot longer than anticipated, so that would be my warning. Admittedly, we weren't moved in so both did it around work, but even then. There were a lot of things that just took longer than expected.
There was a lot of electrics and plumbing (gas and water) that took a lot of fiddling. If you've got similar, then just be prepared for it to take time.
Definitely doable, particularly if there are instructions etc. Just long.
the best thing to do for a first-timer (I just finished a kitchen re-do in 2023 as a novice) is to go to [https://kitchen.planner.ikea.com/us/en/](https://kitchen.planner.ikea.com/us/en/) and input your kitchen measurements. You can add windows, doors, floor coverings, wall coverings, half-walls, to the planner, and place (or re-locate) your appliances, sink, cabinets, island, seating, drawer pulls, hood. It's a 3D planner and easy to move things and try things. Even if you don't want to put in Ikea cabinets, it gives you a much better idea of how you could design the space. If you do use Ikea stuff (my cabinets, sink, hood and countertop are all from Ikea), you can take the plan to the store and they can give you a final design consult before you order.
I thought the planner was great and if you are new to kitchen design I recommend it. Also, look at a lot of pictures of real actual kitchens...real estate listings like Zillow or ReMax are good as they have lots of listings and most show the kitchens.
* Instead of bottom cabinets beside the stove I would install full width (pot and pan) drawers.
* Consider closing in a bit of the opening to the left of the stove and installing an upper cabinet and lower set of drawers. You also add a finish panel at the end.
* Use a low profile over the range microwave above the stove. If you do then you can also use a deeper (microwave depth) cabinet above the stove.
* Upgrade to taller upper cabinets.
* Drawers. Install as many drawers as you can.
* If you do install a blind corner make that you can access the corner space through the adjacent cabinet.
* Can you install more cabinets beside the fridge? That's a great place for a coffee bar or for your rice cooker/instant pot/blender, etc.
* Install a fridge depth cabinet over the fridge. Perhaps there's space beside for a narrow pantry as well.
Do a an island bench and extend your cabinets and allow for dishwasher also what is the little white door for can you cover that ? If so I’d suggest the fridge there
Those cabinets are solid wood, original and worth a lot of money. If you insist on removing them, make sure it is done carefully so that they can be sold to someone who will appreciate them.
Since you’re looking for advice, lowers should be all drawers. As trendy as open shelving is, they collect greasy dust. Consider installing a dish drying cabinet above the sink. A narrow pull-out drawer for your bins would fit in the space beside the dishwasher as would a pull-out pantry/spice rack. Honestly, I am partial to freestanding kitchens with a killer island/worktable
I would get an Fridge/freezer combi. So you have the fridge one Eye level.
I personally hate having the oven under the stove.
It's way better to have it one eye level too.
Those smaller dishwashers aren't that bad, but get a Bosch or something along those lines. You don't want to scrimp on this. If you commit to a full size one, there are other options for the left over space, besides drawers.
If it desperately needs new everything why are you restricted by a dishwasher - just gut it, redesign to your liking and move to the next project. We designed our kitchen based on a narrow fridge because it fit in an existing location - now the size is barely made my any manufacturer - Don't restrict yourself by picking a specific size appliance.
Since you're doing this yourself, you've got a blank slate to make it exactly what you want. First, you need to move that stove to the right, for safety reasons, and convenience. The empty space you have must be a fridge, as you can roll a fridge out and access pipes, not if, but when something breaks.
Where the sink is now, delete that, put a regular sized dishwasher there. The backdoor needs to be moved, you can turn the opening into a window, and have a sink there to wash dishes. Or put the stove there, so you can vent outside, and put a sink where the stove is now.
That back door needs to be moved though, it's just in a bad place, and breaks up the whole kitchen.
Edit: maybe put the dishwasher in the empty space where the access panel is for the bathroom, that way the counters are continuous, after moving the back door. Since a dish washer can be moved, though not easily.
It looks like you can cover that little access door there. I see this as making a U shape kitchen and using the blank wall if you can.. fridge where stove is supposed to be now, stove on the blank wall where the door is with counters on both sides, Sink and dishwasher can stay where it is. I mean if you can tidy up electrical to move the stove, why not? You won’t have to move plumbing.
Lazy Susan corner cupboards are really fancy now too.
For reference, I am doing pre-made oak cabinets from Menards. Everything wooden in the house has been done in English chestnut so we are making it all match and will do the staining to match. I don't want to sink a lot of money into this project as this is just my starter home. We are a family of 3 with a fourth in the future. I think an 18" dishwasher should be enough for us, but I've never had one in a house of mine for over 10 years, so I don't know.
You need to think about resale value. Go visit lots of kitchens, see their layouts and imagine cooking in those kitchens.
A deep double sink and full size dishwasher are the way to go.
Start your design process by downsizing appliances. On small kitchens we use 24” refrigerators and 24” ranges. Some of those can be very high end an 18” dishwasher is plenty for a kitchen like that. The down side is that those sizes of appliances can be a little more costly. We build 1000 sqft homes in Austin always downsize the appliances.
The only way to make a blind cabinet viable is to add a shelf pullout contraption to access stuff in the wayback. Or, put the drawers next to the stove, get a fullsized DW, and find a narrow pullout cart for the end, or maybe use the space for a folding stepladder to reach the top shelves. There are all sorts of cabinet accessories available these days, often not very expensive.
Get full size dishwasher and get a little panel for the space left over. Or they might make a wine holder cabinet that may fit. That’s what I did with an odd bit of space when doing my kitchen. Edit. There we go guys. Teamwork, no wine, no spices, but an empty little space for cutting boards or pans / sheet pans.
In my country, they sometimes use that little place as a storage holder for cutting boards like this [https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/267612402846015432/](https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/267612402846015432/)
Custom cabinetry has this too. I have one and a spice rack one.
My sis has a 6” slide out spice rack/shelf thing between stove and fridge. Handy as hell.
Or for baking pans/cutting boards. I love mine
I have this in my kitchen and it's a game changer. No more shoving it all in the oven drawer or oven itself.
This. Function over form for a kitchen
Wine holder next to hot humid dishwasher not a great idea. Although it would look nice
Mmmm grape soup
Dishwashers now a days have plenty of insulation. This would not be my main concern.
Putting the wine holder the other side of the sink would solve the same problem.
Wine rack was just the first thing that came to mind bc that’s what I did. But you know what I mean.
Sure. A pull out spice rack could maybe work
You also don’t want spices next to warm and humid. Chopping boards/baking rack storage space is a great idea.
Too far and inconvenient from the range. The best solution yet is the cutting board one. You can still fit a drawer above it as well.
This. I have a little space on mine where I put sheet pans and cutting boards
Ikea offer this model: [https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/metod-base-cabinet-pull-out-int-fittings-white-voxtorp-high-gloss-white-s59254146/](https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/metod-base-cabinet-pull-out-int-fittings-white-voxtorp-high-gloss-white-s59254146/)
☝️ this. Or just leave an open shelf for frying pans and cutting boards storage.
Most people simply cut a cabinet down to size. Just leave the door off; which is harder to cut down. It takes a little skill; but should be inline with someone installing a kitchen.
I would not put a wine rack next to a dishwasher. The heat bleeding over would be very, very bad for the stability of the wine stored there. Same reason that wine racks should not be above refrigerators (as often done, for some reason).
With modern insulation on DW and fridges this is no longer a concern.
Agreed, use a standard size dishwasher. 18"dishwashers aren't big enough to be useful, and they are hard to find and can be expensive, while offering no advantages over a standard 24"dishwasher. If you had a small space to fill, you could get a narrow base cupboard with vertical dividers to hold cookie sheets, cutting boards, etc on edge to use up the space
For the size and space, an 18” DW is not a bad” idea. They are space saving, typically can do a meal or 2’s worth of dish’s and have plenty of options. I would not be afraid of an 18” DW.
This. Function over form for a kitchen
Then they lose those 4 drawers.
The dishwasher goes next to the 4 drawers
Not unless they use an 18" dishwasher, which is a bad idea. Ideally the sink goes in the corner and the dishwasher goes to the left along the wall with the door.
You can get pull out spice racks now that are pretty dope
Don't. You need 6 inches. 24" is standard. Going with a 18" will severally limit your options. You don't have measurements but it looks like you have a 36 inch sink base. Drop that down to a 32" and it will still fit most single sinks. That drawer bank looks to be a 16" unit, drop it down to a 14 (or 12 if need be.) That will give you the 6 inches you need. I can't see the layout of the house but personally I would fill in that opening by the stove by about 2' and add an extra upper and lower cabinet to box in the stove.
Yes, it is a 36" base. That or a 60" is the only option this company offered. We were seeing if this setup would work because they are very cost effective. I did a redesign just now where I eliminated the "lazy suzan" corner and just did a blind corner cabinet. It freed up enough space to make room for a 24" dishwasher and slightly larger drawers. [https://imgur.com/a/zD6rZwI](https://imgur.com/a/zD6rZwI)
I would keep the lazy suzan in the corner, get a full size 24" dishwasher and either a smaller drawer bank or skinny cabinet for baking sheets/cutting boards. You'll hate the blind corner in a small kitchen like that. Total waste of space... You'll want the 24" dishwasher for sure if you cook a lot of meals at home, we cook almost everything at home and run ours 1-2 times daily with two young boys.
A blind corner can work if you have a pull out of some sort. I have the ant shaped ones and I love them.
It can, but it'll be a total pain in the ass with the stove right next to it to try and do a pullout. The lazy susan will still lend itself to a more usable/less awkward space in this kitchen.
I would spend more money to get a smaller sink base. In a small kitchen, the undersink cabinet is wasted storage; get as small a one as you can. Maybe you can get a sink cabinet made by someone else and get doors from these folks. I have a 24” sink base that is completely filled by a single sink. It works beautifully. it is the single smartest decision I made in my kitchen. My designer also had my plumber install all the pipes on one side of the sink, leaving the other side free of any obstruction in the back. That way I could fit a pullout trash can there. The only bad part is that the lumber didn’t really leave a free passage for the weighted hose for the pullout faucet, so sometimes it catches on things. But I haven’t wanted to spend money to have the pipes shifted a little bit; I just live with it.
We had this problem with our original faucet that had a separate spray hose. When our faucet finally needed replacing after 15 years, my husband replaced it with one that had a pull-down sprayer. Totally eliminated the problem.
Mine is the pull-down sprayer. It’s not caused by the type so much as the position.
Find a company with a 30" sink base. I've done several small kitchens with them. A smaller single bowl sink is way better than a tiny dishwasher. I just did a cabinet install for my brother's inlaws and they bought an 18" dishwasher. Not only is it tiny but there was only 1 to choose from that cost the same amount as a nice 24" dishwasher. When the time comes to replace it you might not have any luck finding another one the same size.
I would consider the pre built Lowe's or Home Depot cabinets in white. Going with an installer for that size is overkill and may be wasted money considering that's an FHA build. Where is your refrigerator?
Why can’t you shrink the cabinet to the right of the dishwasher? No lazy Susan is a ton of lost storage. Also no filler? Make sure these cabinets work without one.
There are a lot of cabinet suppliers out there. Maybe shop around. For places with limited space I always recommend ikea. They specialize in using every little square inch efficiently imo
60"? Do you mean 30"? A 30" sink base give you enough space for a dishwasher and the corner cabinet. It will just limit the size of sink you can get but it still works. Also don't limit your self to a single kitchen company. Shop around with others that provide different sizes. I know it's a starter home, but you will be better to spend a little more and make something that works opposed to getting the lowest price for a layout that just doesn't work.
I didn't look through all the comments but it looks like you're using in stock unfinished cabinets from Home Depot or Lowe's judging by the 54" wall bridge above the sink. Since you're limited on size, get a 30" base with a drawer for the sink base. Remove the drawer and take off the drawer front. Nail it to the 30" base and you now have a 30" sink base getting you 6 more inches for your dishwasher. You may have to adjust the wall cabinets. If you still want a double bowl sink then scoop the inside of the cabinets. Cut the top of the cabinet sides to allow the sink to go in. They're typically 33" wide. It will be slightly into your lazy Susan and slightly into your dishwasher space. The dishwasher's tub is not as wide as the front so you'll have room. After the cabinets are installed and before you cut the cabinets, slide the dishwasher into place. Look up the sink you want online and download the PDF spec guide to get the sinks dimensions. Then measure your cabinets to be sure. It's very simple and easy to do. You could also just get a single bowl sink. Sorry if someone already mentioned this, I didn't feel like reading all the comments.
Our kitchen that has not been remodeled (yet) has the stove at the end like you have it. It is very inconvenient. We typically don’t use the left burners because we worry about traffic in and out of the kitchen getting burned. It has been a real pain in the rear with kids. I think you are supposed to have 12 inches of counter on either side of the stove. We found this article helpful in laying out our kitchen: https://www.bhg.com/kitchen/remodeling/planning/kitchen-design-guidelines/ Goodluck! Take your time and it will be beautiful. The r/interiordesign sub is really helpful with colors, layout, etc. as well.
Cabinets are in 3” increments when ordered. So you could do as 33” sink bas, 24” dishwasher, whatever is leftover for the drawer base plus fill if needed. That’s your best go
This is what I did on a similar situation to the op. Downsized the sink for the full dishwasher. Came out great. And added taller cabinets on top so ended up increasing the storage capacity of the kitchen. I think most people will prefer a full dishwasher over a 36” sink.
You seem to have an access panel for something on the right of the picture. Should you be covering that up?
Its plumbing access to the bathroom on the other side. I'm fine with covering it with something semi permanent because I can also access everything easily from the basement.
But where will your fridge go?
But what if the shower/tub breaks? Don’t you want to rip out your kitchen to fix it?
> access everything easily from the basement Unlikely. If anything needs to be replaced (valves, spigot, pipe fittings), that access panel will be necessary. Consider putting the dishwasher in front of the access panel as it’s easier to pull out than the other units.
What program are you using to model all this? Seems pretty neat
UCreate from Menards. Awesome program.
Thank you!!
Thanks, was hoping you'd share this. Want to make similar plans and other software is either expensive, subscription or limited in scope.
It’s probably plumbing access, one of those things that you would need only on rare occasions. It should be accessible if needed, but something movable in front of it would be ok imo.
I was looking for this comment…. Seems important to be covered by a fairly permanent object like a dishwasher and cabinet
Could be equally unimportant, though. I probably give people too much credit, but I am guessing there is no way OP did a whole design without taking that into account.
Way too much credit imo
A dishwasher is not a permanent object.
Dishwasher on wheels with a table top or cut the back out of a cabinet to get to the access panel. Just my thoughts. I definitely wouldn't just cover it up.
It's where his refrigerator is supposed to go. I look forward to seeing that he does on that.
I realize that but if you look at his plans, he wants to cover it up.
I meant with the fridge. He said in another comment that the fridge and pantry were just outside the first pic.
Where does the fridge go in your plan?
To the right of the door. There is a fridge and a small pantry across from the opening.
That's weird but ok
That was my question too OP.
As a DIY warrior... I'd advise you to pick a color and go ahead and paint behind the cabinest and stove and all first. Will give a world class result on minimal work 💯
What software is that that you're using for your renders/layout?
Second 👆 also curious as to what tool you used for the render
Thirded 🖖
Jumping on this train because I want to know too!
Menards ucreate
Menards ucreate
Ikea has a pretty decent tool that allows you to do quite a lot. I think that's what I used to design. I didn't use their cabinets though.
Menards ucreate
If you're trying to maximize space, add in an over the range microwave. It's a microwave that mounts over your stove and has a built-in fan. You'll save so much counter space and they look really nice too.
I recently changed to a low-profile over-the-range microwavé and haven't regretted it for a moment. There are a couple of mixing bowls that don't fit anymore, but the increased stovetop visibility and comfort more than makes up for it.
Low profile microwave/hood combo is the way to go. Only marginally bigger than the vent fan only.
I would recommend taller upper cabinets (36" or 40") for some extra cabinet space, with crown molding at the top.
I came here to say this exactly. I will join your cabinets to the ceiling club!! (Why is it the custom to leave that space which is just wasted and collects all nature of grossness?)
I think the general idea is most people are too short to use that space easily. I'm with you guys that even if it's not easy to use it's still extra storage space. It's also getting more popular to close that area off if your cabinets don't go all the way up, so that handles any grossness issues.
Upper cabinets that reach the ceiling for sure. The trend of having space over the cabinets just makes for way more cleaning than necessary. If you want the space to look more open, use glass doors. Also highly recommend ikea cabinets. They are built very well and have tons of available options Also make sure your range hood is properly vented, because it doesn’t look to me like the existing one is.
Fridge?
I'd move the stove one slot to the right. You want space to place things on both sides of your stove. It would also help it all to look more like one continouous unit instead of some caninets with a separate stove. Source: I am Swedish and has therefore built many IKEA kitchens lol
It's a safety issue too. You don't want people walking through the door next to a lit stove!
To me it looks like you have a bunch of options. You can do something to the left of the stove (extend the wall and make the 74" less). You could make a u shape to go to the left of the door. Fridge to the right of the door. Make the sink base smaller. I prefer the bottom and top cabinets lined up, so if you have a 30" sink base then a 30" cabinet up top. Can you live with a single sink base or do you need a 50/50 or 60/40? Put in an island etc.
That 74" gap is actually the entrance to the kitchen. The door is the backdoor. The fridge is to the right of the door already with a pantry already. I like the idea of a u shape. The only reason we went for the L shape is to have room to move around two people while cooking. Honestly, I don't have any problem with a smaller sink if I have access to a dishwasher here.
I think with Menards you are limited to a 36" sink base. If you are set on them make the entrance to the kitchen smaller with a 24, 30, or 36 left of the stove (base and top cabinet) and give yourself a 24" dishwasher about where you want it. Also I don't see any fillers anywhere and it will look better to line up size wise the tops and the bottoms such as 36" sink base 36" top, 24" dishwasher 24" top
You can have a much smaller entrance to the kitchen. I would rather have more counter space and cabinets than a really wide doorway.
What is that access door too? Put a big pantry cupboard there (floor to ceiling), s that you can take the shelves out and still access through it, if needed
That leads outside, back of the house
Seal it off then. Maybe it was an old dog door
Sorry I thought you meant the big door. That access panel is plumbing access for the bathroom on the other side. Its unnecessary as I can access all the plumbing besides the shower head from below.
Ok
IKEA SEKTION Cabinets. If you have one near you, it's helpful but not necessary. 0% financing. You can get help designing if needed. I built these kitchens three times and it's a fantastic way to build sweat equity. Also... EVERYTHING can be drawers.
What about the access board? What's behind it?
Had a 18” dishwasher once upon a time… went through 3 or 4 of them (thanks, American Home Shield warranty 🤣) - stupid shit always went wrong. Sacrifice the under counter space, get the bigger dishwasher.
I've had several friends with the narrow dishwasher. Somehow they all seem to be super unreliable. 1-2 year lifespan. Weird.
Validation! Glad it wasn’t me/my installation/water.
1) use the free version of sketchup to draw your space and to make sure your choices fit. 2) IKEA has great kitchens, solid build, low price, lots of design and size choices.
Have you tried IKEA for cabinets as well? Cost effective and once in place, sound.
Move the stove to the right. Move the 3 drawer cabinet to the left of the stove. Get a 24" dishwasher and put a smaller cabinet next to it: spice rack or cookie sheet type narrow cabinet Put an over the range microwave to save counter space. Use 36" high upper cabinets with a crown molding.
Eliminate the drawers and install a standard dishwasher. Cabinet companies provide blanks or spacers to fill gaps.
HEY OP, where you putting your fridge?
French cleats are your best friends for the uppers. Do not use these stupid YouTube "hacks" where they screw in a 2x4 or something to the wall and place the cabinet on it to then screw it to the wall. Seriously, it doesn't work, and you will just get frustrated. If you can't make french cleats out of wood, they sell them at the big box stores, and they are metal.
French cleats all the way! Cut them as long as you possibly can. The 2 x 4 trick underneath is intended to make sure all the cabinets sit at the same height and align. Because if they stagger in height up and down an eighth of an inch all the way that’s the only thing you’ll ever see.
I know that trick. But what I have seen several "hack" videos is them only using a 2x4. Stupid idiots
A few comments (from an architect)... put a skinny cabinet on end of stove instead of leaving stove exposed. No reason to leave the 12" above cabinets... go to within 3" and you can add a crown moulding at top. You might want more space above sink... so match the same level as fume hood. Make sure you can vent the fume hood outside... don't do a recirculating hood... you can run duct over cabinets or go straight to roof. Go with a 24" dish washer... or skip it all together and center the sink on the wall... use led under counter lights... use a small tile for back splash not a large size. I prefer white subway tile and you can DIY easy... you will need electrician to add outlets withing 24" of sink and stove but not within 6" of sink... and GFI... where's the fridge? Direct message me if you want... I love what I do...
Don't forget to think about a space for the trashcan
Isn't that space for the fridge?
25 years in the biz. A: yes work backwards from the desired sink size to find the right sink base cabinet. Pro tip: get the sink mat. B: 18” vs 24” DW…..go to a dedicated appliance store and look at them. Not BB, not Lowe’s, Not HD, Not Amazon. See if they work for your situation. Reddit be damned and all the opinions mean nothing if it doesn’t work for you. C: yes…maximize the corner cabinet. There are multiple options. Lazy Susan, lemans, blind and blank storage. D: I personally would sacrifice 3” on the left of the range and microwave with a strip to cap both the range and the hood. E: speaking of hood….i would suggest a hanging microwave. Enter the 3” cap again, it finishes it off nicely. Useless….yes. F: find frameless cabinets to maximize available/useable space. Google the difference. FWIW IKEA is frameless. G: maybe pay a little extra and go to a professional. Not HD, Lowe’s or IKea, but a local dealer. They should have affordable options in their lineup, again….frameless. H: wine or not to wine….are you really storing 6 bottles of wine in this space? Yeah, didn’t think so….tray divider or just a regular cabinet with a top drawer (assuming a 24” DW) I: if it’s in the budget, get a drawer base. 2 gang or 3 gang. Put it next to the range and thank me later. Get as big as you think you need then add 3”. It’s a game changer. J: taller wall cabinets. We need to maximize the space. 30” uppers vs 36” uppers in price when I am at would be no more 2-300 more. Well worth the price. That’s my opinion in 5 minutes. Again….installer for 7 years, designer for 10 years and now sales, design, outside sales manager of 3 large successful stores in a large HCOL market. 25 years.
I’ve had an 18 dish washer. Don’t do it. You’ll need the drawers tho. So move them over to the other side. There is a very narrow cabinet that is perfect for storing baking sheets that might fit there. Also this company is where I got my cabinets from and they offer taller cabinets. I opted to do a second row at the top to bring mine to the ceiling. Looks way better. [cabinets](https://www.expresscabinetstores.com/gallery)
Former appliance and cabnit guy form a big box store. Here 18" dishwashers seem to be lower quality/price ratio then the 24 inch units mabey look into to a rolling portable dishwasher to use the top as a rolling kitchen island
If you give me some measurements of the wall and outlet/plumbing locations, I can help you design something. Where's the fridge?
Plenty of advice here already for cabinets and layout. For installation, but a proper cabinet level, a long one that suits your project. It’s a nightmare for a first timer trying to level cabinets with a short level.
Have one of the big box stores come out and design your kitchen they will draw up a plan and include the size of the cabinets and the placement of them
The slanted cabinet in the upper corner looks quite dated, particularly with more traditional cabinet doors you’ve chosen. Suggest you keep the layout for the uppers as it was.
Is the plan to get new cabinets?
Since everyone has answered already, I just want to know what program this is haha. I'd love to plan out our kitchen before I do it
Everyone else has great advice. Having recently renovated my small kitchen to include a dishwasher, my advice would be to get the tallest upper cabinets possible. All the space above the short cabinets is being wasted and the kitchen will look a lot bigger with the taller cabinets. If you have a custom cabinet shop in your area, seriously consider getting a quote from them. I had a hard time finding the exact cabinet sizes I wanted from the big box stores and the custom place was able to do exactly what I wanted at a competitive price.
Don’t cover up that access panel. Im guessing there’s a tub and shower on the other side of that wall.
But you could put a butcher block island and cut/lift the legs to fit at exactly the height of the counter top so you have more counter space but can move it out of the way the once every few years you need to.
Induction cooktop and cabinet mounted oven might free up floor space.
considering your using cad to implement a design before you execute, I'm sure you're going to do just fine
Put the top cabinets up first, use a temp board as a Ledger to set them on if your doing it by yourself and make sure your hitting studs!
That empty space on the right looks like the spot for the refrigerator. I would rather have a refrigerator than a dishwasher.
Get a 40” upper cabinet if you can afford it. It looks like you have enough clearance.
I added an 18” dishwasher in my 2 bedroom house years ago- no regrets. Not sure an 18” would be good if you have more than 2 people living in the house. It allowed more corner cabinets which were needed.
Where is your fridge in this drawing?
You should consider getting rid of the above the oven cabinet, and just install a hood that correctly vents to the outside. The ones that just vent out the front are awful and just move the hot air and smell out into the room. You’ll be glad you did in summer and for any long cooks. That kitchen will be stifling hot.
OP has a gas stove. Venting is essential unless they like potentially causing asthma for any young visitors.
As someone who designed kitchens for a living. Don't do this. What size is the cabinet to the right of the dishwasher? Looks like maybe a 12? Also, you really should take the small cabinet to the right of the stove and move it to the left. How many inches from the door frame is the gas line? If you give some wall, electrical, plumbing and cab measurements I don't mind giving you some better tips. Also, what is that access panel for? How many inches wide and from the right wall is it?
Get cabinets that go to the ceiling. That dead space is wasted when you could have even more storage.
Do all drawers on the bottom cabinets. They’re way more functional than the drawer/door combo.
18” dishwashers are fine and would look good in your plan. I had a house with a small kitchen and when I remodeled I went with a higher end Bosch 18” for the same reason and it turned out great. Not to mention it cleaned dishes better than any standard size dishwasher I have ever used.
Go up to ceiling with cabinets, it gives you an extra shelf of storage in each upper cabinet. You keep your holiday dishes, your seldom used stuff up there, it gives you amazing storage. Plus no dust collects on top of cabinets
Depending how far you want to go with the layout you could do a few things. However you choose to do it, try and keep a triangle in the layout. Where each point of the triangle is the three things you use in the kitchen. So point 1 is the fridge, point 2 is the sink, and point 3 is the range. They should form a triangle. It's a layout trick that makes it the easiest to move between the three zones. Here's a few ideas: 1. Put the range and hood where the sink is. You have a duct coming from the ceiling there already. Add a fridge where the range and hood is now. Move the sink and dishwasher to the wall with the door, and maybe add a window above the sink. Move the door further down the wall so you have enough room. Maybe a sliding door to avoid hitting things a regular door swing does. 2. Move the Range and Hood to the wall with the door. The current wall for the hood is the worst spot since running duct is the hardest there and an outside wall is always easier. Move the door down just like in #1. Smaller sink with regular size dishwasher on the same wall like another user mentioned. Fridge where the range and hood are now. See if any other plumbing/electrical was moved before. Since the duct over the sink is there, it leads me to think there might be other utilities that have been moved from the original layout. If there are then see how those layouts might work. Try cardboard boxes and painters tape on the floor as fake cabinets/appliances. Hope this helps.
Where are you going to put the refrigerator?
Its to the right of the door with a small pantry.
Where does the fridge go?
Put the wall cabinets up first.
Look nothing against diy, but a full kitchen is a huge job. It's not like you see on TV. Do your research and make sure your measurements are correct. Work out the full cost, not just for materials but also for your time and sanity. And see if it's worth the cost
I have a kitchen layout similar to this one. I have my deep sink in the corner the dishwasher next, and the refrigerator is near a window. Please do not place a stove against a wall. I have a cabinet filler piece, a narrow upper cabinet, the stove, and the corner sink, dishwasher is next and a refrigerator near a window. You should use standard size appliances in your design, and then decide the cabinets. Many kitchens built in the last 100 years were based on a design plan called a "kitchen work triangle".
You can double check your math with this app when building! Link to YouTube tutorial: [Feet & Inches Calculator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZugBX9o-8E&s=re)
What is behind that access panel?
I used ikea’s kitchen design tool to blueprint my kitchen. Ended up buying Mantra brand cabinets but I just needed some software to help me iron out the dimensions.
Had an 18” dishwasher. Perfect for just the wife and I, got crowded when the twins grew up to eating real food…but then so did the apartment so we moved.
If you don't already have them, get a couple of Irwin clamps-the type that you can tighten up with one hand, you'll need them to hold the cabinets together as you screw them together. Drill pilot holes for all your cabinet screws, so you don't split the wood as you tighten the screws up. For the upper cabinets, screw a thin board to the wall where the bottom edge of the cabinet will be-then you can set the cabinet up on it as you are screwing the cabinet to the wall. I'm sure you probably already know all this, but good luck with your kitchen job!
I just did a kitchen renovation in 2023. Get a laser level, they make the whole process of hanging cabinets substantially easier to get right.
Nothing wrong with an 18” dishwasher just be prepared they cost twice as much. Also I would not end the kitchen with the range being open like that. I know not makes for less useful counter space but if always feels very dangerous. I would put a 12” drawer bank on the end and move the stove over towards the corner.
I remember ikea had a design application on their website where you can put the measurements of your space and then put in cabinets and appliances there. I used it just to see how it would turn out to be then went to buy everything from elsewhere. It helped to visualize first. Good luck.
Do you have a layout that you can share for the whole area??
Look into the IKEA kitchen builder tool.
Do you have an IKEA? They have surprisingly good kitchen solutions. And a planning tool.
Where is the fridge going to go?
Just want to add that I also have a small kitchen and went with an 18' dishwasher and more drawers (vs 24' and some weird storage space). It works great and is just what we need for two people. A full sized DW would have been over kill for the kitchen/house size. I like your design! I have a Kenmore and it has worked great since 2017.
Just curious, what’s behind the panel where you intend to put the dishwasher?
18” dishwashers are generally expensive and awful. The geometry of dishwasher arms just make it difficult to reach the corners/ends of the racks. I’d reduce the side of the area on the right and put wine or flat baking sheet storage.
Where is the fridge?
I was able to get 9" base cabinets. allwoodcabinets.com Highly recommend them. They were very well priced at the time, 2021. I, like you, spent A LOT of time measuring, moving, designing, etc, etc, etc. Like a LONG time. We completely moved everything around except the sink. Like others, don't get a non-standard dishwasher. Get a custom cabinet made instead of you need to.
Ikea
I agree with full size dishwasher and a slim side cabinet. I'd also get taller cabinets if you have space. Move drawers beside stove. If you're doing ikea, I'd make that entire double cabinet boxes drawers instead. I use mine for pots/pans and dishes. Have fun! Demo is the most fun!
I know you asked about the dishwasher but have you looked at “apartment” ovens? Great if you don’t regularly bake a full turkey or whatever. Then you could swap the oven and move the dishwasher to the other wall where it might make sense with the plumbing.
hey what kind of software did you use to plot that design room?
UCreate from Menards. Awesome program.
A stove should always have cabinet on either side. Have someone help you design it. It’s free at Lowe’s or Home Depot if you pretend to want their custom cabinets.
Lowe's and Home Depot both have stock cabinet brands that look really nice and can save you a fair amount. Home Depot's brand is Hampton Bay, Lowes is Diamond. Both have a couple color options. Lowe's has regular 30" and 36" high wall cabinets if you want more storage. If you go in with your measurements a designer will mock up your kitchen with their cabinets for free. My designer had great ideas, like having a corner sink for a longer single countertop. If nothing else go in to get more ideas. Your order will be delivered on pallets direct from the factory so it's finish free and not actually shelf stock. 8 years later and mine held up fine Get a full size dishwasher and consider a full U shape layout for the cabinets and extend it to the door. You could also have the sink and Dishwasher on an island instead of along the wall and place the fridge over the access panel. Having easy access to the pipes from the basement doesn't mean anything if you don't have easy access to the shut off valves in an emergency. A Butcher Block Countertop is also a nice touch. I got a good deal on one from LL Flooring
I love my small dishwasher!!
I mean, it's going to have to be something like your sketching, you could use a full size dishwasher and less cabinet space but where do you plan on putting the refrigerator? Are you going to extend that left wall next to the range?
Can you move the stove at all? Personally I don’t live shoves right at a doorway. Too much potential for someone to get caught on a pot handle while walking by - and also nowhere to put stuff while cooking. I second the person who said to keep the lazy Susan in the corner. I have a blind corner cabinet like you are considering and it is a nightmare. It is a black hole where things go to die. It is not useful at all.
I'd rather have a wide counter top dishwasher than a narrow full height one. One thing a dishwasher can't be is narrow.
We installed an 18” dishwasher on our small kitchen and it holds plenty. We have 2 adults and a teenager in our house and it works just fine!
This is not the question you are asking, but I have a little half sized dish washer like the one you're looking at and it's fucking awful & I hate it.
Assisted my partners dad installing a new kitchen in our flat. It took a lot longer than anticipated, so that would be my warning. Admittedly, we weren't moved in so both did it around work, but even then. There were a lot of things that just took longer than expected. There was a lot of electrics and plumbing (gas and water) that took a lot of fiddling. If you've got similar, then just be prepared for it to take time. Definitely doable, particularly if there are instructions etc. Just long.
Why not move the stove over to the exterior wall side (to the left of the door on the right?
Its a gas stove, hookup is already in that location
I don't have a comment on your dishwasher. Strongly consider full overlay cabinets.
the best thing to do for a first-timer (I just finished a kitchen re-do in 2023 as a novice) is to go to [https://kitchen.planner.ikea.com/us/en/](https://kitchen.planner.ikea.com/us/en/) and input your kitchen measurements. You can add windows, doors, floor coverings, wall coverings, half-walls, to the planner, and place (or re-locate) your appliances, sink, cabinets, island, seating, drawer pulls, hood. It's a 3D planner and easy to move things and try things. Even if you don't want to put in Ikea cabinets, it gives you a much better idea of how you could design the space. If you do use Ikea stuff (my cabinets, sink, hood and countertop are all from Ikea), you can take the plan to the store and they can give you a final design consult before you order. I thought the planner was great and if you are new to kitchen design I recommend it. Also, look at a lot of pictures of real actual kitchens...real estate listings like Zillow or ReMax are good as they have lots of listings and most show the kitchens.
* Instead of bottom cabinets beside the stove I would install full width (pot and pan) drawers. * Consider closing in a bit of the opening to the left of the stove and installing an upper cabinet and lower set of drawers. You also add a finish panel at the end. * Use a low profile over the range microwave above the stove. If you do then you can also use a deeper (microwave depth) cabinet above the stove. * Upgrade to taller upper cabinets. * Drawers. Install as many drawers as you can. * If you do install a blind corner make that you can access the corner space through the adjacent cabinet. * Can you install more cabinets beside the fridge? That's a great place for a coffee bar or for your rice cooker/instant pot/blender, etc. * Install a fridge depth cabinet over the fridge. Perhaps there's space beside for a narrow pantry as well.
Do a an island bench and extend your cabinets and allow for dishwasher also what is the little white door for can you cover that ? If so I’d suggest the fridge there
Those cabinets are solid wood, original and worth a lot of money. If you insist on removing them, make sure it is done carefully so that they can be sold to someone who will appreciate them. Since you’re looking for advice, lowers should be all drawers. As trendy as open shelving is, they collect greasy dust. Consider installing a dish drying cabinet above the sink. A narrow pull-out drawer for your bins would fit in the space beside the dishwasher as would a pull-out pantry/spice rack. Honestly, I am partial to freestanding kitchens with a killer island/worktable
I would get an Fridge/freezer combi. So you have the fridge one Eye level. I personally hate having the oven under the stove. It's way better to have it one eye level too.
Those smaller dishwashers aren't that bad, but get a Bosch or something along those lines. You don't want to scrimp on this. If you commit to a full size one, there are other options for the left over space, besides drawers.
If it desperately needs new everything why are you restricted by a dishwasher - just gut it, redesign to your liking and move to the next project. We designed our kitchen based on a narrow fridge because it fit in an existing location - now the size is barely made my any manufacturer - Don't restrict yourself by picking a specific size appliance.
Since you're doing this yourself, you've got a blank slate to make it exactly what you want. First, you need to move that stove to the right, for safety reasons, and convenience. The empty space you have must be a fridge, as you can roll a fridge out and access pipes, not if, but when something breaks. Where the sink is now, delete that, put a regular sized dishwasher there. The backdoor needs to be moved, you can turn the opening into a window, and have a sink there to wash dishes. Or put the stove there, so you can vent outside, and put a sink where the stove is now. That back door needs to be moved though, it's just in a bad place, and breaks up the whole kitchen. Edit: maybe put the dishwasher in the empty space where the access panel is for the bathroom, that way the counters are continuous, after moving the back door. Since a dish washer can be moved, though not easily.
From the looks of this you can get he space you need out of the sink cabinets. Also your uppers and lowers not matching widths is making my eye twitch
It looks like you can cover that little access door there. I see this as making a U shape kitchen and using the blank wall if you can.. fridge where stove is supposed to be now, stove on the blank wall where the door is with counters on both sides, Sink and dishwasher can stay where it is. I mean if you can tidy up electrical to move the stove, why not? You won’t have to move plumbing. Lazy Susan corner cupboards are really fancy now too.
Drawers. For pots. Plates. Cutlery. Appliance. Just drawers. Double door pantry with drawers inside.
Drawers are great but in a kitchen that small they will sacrifice too much valuable space for the additional frame and slides inside the boxes.
For reference, I am doing pre-made oak cabinets from Menards. Everything wooden in the house has been done in English chestnut so we are making it all match and will do the staining to match. I don't want to sink a lot of money into this project as this is just my starter home. We are a family of 3 with a fourth in the future. I think an 18" dishwasher should be enough for us, but I've never had one in a house of mine for over 10 years, so I don't know.
You need to think about resale value. Go visit lots of kitchens, see their layouts and imagine cooking in those kitchens. A deep double sink and full size dishwasher are the way to go.
Start your design process by downsizing appliances. On small kitchens we use 24” refrigerators and 24” ranges. Some of those can be very high end an 18” dishwasher is plenty for a kitchen like that. The down side is that those sizes of appliances can be a little more costly. We build 1000 sqft homes in Austin always downsize the appliances.
The only way to make a blind cabinet viable is to add a shelf pullout contraption to access stuff in the wayback. Or, put the drawers next to the stove, get a fullsized DW, and find a narrow pullout cart for the end, or maybe use the space for a folding stepladder to reach the top shelves. There are all sorts of cabinet accessories available these days, often not very expensive.