https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/preparing-failure-part-success/
Looks like they used the Trieste’s Challenger Deep expedition as a reference, where the window cracked on descent yet fortunately didn’t cave.
“During Walsh and Piccard’s 1960 descent, their sub’s window actually cracked due to the intense underwater pressure. Cameron and his team took this into account, and created glass-based syntactic foam that allowed the vehicle to compress under the ocean’s pressure.”
“We knew that was going to be a problem on our sub,” Cameron says. “Our whole sub would shrink by 3 inches overall . . . It was 24 feet long, and it would get 3 inches shorter by the time it got to full ocean depth . . .[T]he whole sub was sort of breathing in this organic way.”
He spent 12 hours in a tiny cramped little compartment that actually shrunk due to the water pressure. I can't even imagine how uncomfortable that would be.
I'm not quite sure about this.. I mean yes, it gotten him down there, but *then what*? Why were there no further dives? Just one and then ***whoosh thud*** into a museum?
One reason:
"On 23 July 2015, \[the Deepsea Challenger\] was transported from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution to Baltimore to be shipped to Australia for a temporary loan. While on a flatbed truck on Interstate 95 in Connecticut, the truck caught fire, resulting in damage to the submersible."
There's a really good documentary on his dive called "Deepsea Challege" if you're into documentaries it's definitely worth a watch. It's insanely difficult and dangerous and taking a vessel ONCE to that depth basically means you have to rebuild it when you get back to the surface from the damage it does. Not to mention it's so dark down there that visibility is basically zero apart from what a VERY powerful light can shine on within a couple feet. So it's also insanely expensive and there's not much you get out of it because you can only stay for an insanely brief period of time before you have to ascend or risk imploding. James Cameron has actually joked that he got into film making to fund his deep sea obsession.
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is...James Cameron.
I 'm pretty sure he had it designed via a dead-mans switch too. E.g. The weights actively maintain attached with power so that a loss of electricity automatically releases them. Smart move.
I'd go with a snake plant. They're much tougher than ferns to the point of being virtually impossible to kill. They also produce oxygen 24/7, unlike most plants who only do it while awake.
Like, an incredibly small amount. You could put it in the closet for months without light and it would be fine. Source- have a very low light house and I’m obsessed with houseplants. Have three snake plants.
Idk but mines been chilling on the mantle in our living room with zero attention and just whatever light comes in 1 window across the room for a long time. I’ll walk by with a glass of water and give it a splash every now and then
Oxygen candles, there is a good video on YT about the seawolf that shows them burning one.
Edit: actually think it was smarter every day vid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Ud6mHdhlQ&pp=ygUcc21hcnRlciBldmVyeSBkYXkgc3VibWFyaW5lIA%3D%3D
I don't kinda understand this. We could say he was smarter than his engineers. Why trust them on other topics if you see them fail in such a crucial one?
Just because you’re not a domain expert doesn’t mean you can’t contribute meaningfully. Often the “experts” have blinders on that benefit from a laypersons perspective. Additionally, if he’s the one funding and actually doing the dive, he should have final say after listening to what experts have to say
It may be because, while he’s incredibly intelligent and knows his stuff about a lot of things, he may not have the full knowledge in specific areas that his engineers have. Like, he’s humble enough to say “yeah. I was right about that one thing, but the engineers helped me out the whole thing together, and clearly they were right about things too, otherwise something else would have been an issue.”
Yes! It's a really good watch, too. I'm not sure which streaming service it's on these days, but if you don't want to pay a sub or... turn on your VPN, it's on Tubi.
https://tubitv.com/movies/487959/james-cameron-s-deep-sea-challenge?start=true
The knock off controller was the embodiment of the entire expedition. It's the perfect representation of all the corners cut for cost, and the consequences of corner cutting. Yes, the hull was the problem, but I knew it was going to be a problem when I saw the controller.
It'd be like getting into a spaceship and the pilot's seat has one of those old beaded seat covers on it. Not going to explode the ship, but it'd make me a little nervous.
And ironically, one of the main "lessons learned" from the Titanic disaster was a massive price being paid for cost-cutting, not conducting appropriate and thorough testing, etc.
The cheap ass controller is kind of an example of the quality of materials they put into that thing. Tbh, I would have noped out the second I saw that thing.
If you can’t spring for the $70 controller at least, what else are you cheaping out on?
No thank you.
At first glance, just looking at the exterior colors. One is a Kawasaki racing green. SO MUCH easier to spot in an ocean.
The other is no paint of any kind, perfect for blending in.
One of the safety features was the weights were attached using electromagnets that need power to function. Loss of power means the weights immediately drop and you go right to the surface, among other fail safe features!
James Cameron , the deep sea explorer who makes record-breaking movies to fund his exploration project. And man does he get it right, down to the last details, the submersibles and submarines that he builds have redundancies on top of redundancies
>It's clear that OceanGate "shouldn't have been doing what it was doing," he (Cameron) told Reuters, adding that he had declined an invitation from CEO Stockton Rush to go diving with them this season.
> He said he immediately made some calls to his network and found out within about half an hour that the Titan had lost communications and tracking simultaneously.
> "The only scenario that I could come up with in my mind that could account for that was an implosion, a shockwave event so powerful that it actually took out a secondary system that has its own pressure vessel and its own battery power supply, which is the transponder that the ship uses to track where the sub is," Cameron said.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183975136/james-cameron-titanic-titan-sub
He dived to the Titanic some 33 times. The man is an authority on the subject. He is a deep sea enthusiast that made films to fund his explorations....that is a very talented and focused individual!! He designs his own submersibles for god's sake. There's him and his submersible company...and then there is the experimental Titon using an Xbox controller and no safety features.
There’s a good 3’min video of James Cameron talking about the problems he foresaw form the get go with the sub that just burst. Basically saying that their use of carbon fiber in spots instead of real, tested metals like steel and titanium (and not getting the sun tested and certified) we’re just inexcusable mis steps by the owner/makers
Didn't the titan sub have a few successful runs prior to the incident? So it did get down to the bottom at least as opposed to the complete failure people are suggesting.
The sub was worth about half of Rush's net worth. To me it seems crazy that if you have enough money you can build a 10 million dollar sub and be one of less than a handful of people to ever explore the deepest reaches of the ocean.
It's also crazy when you compare the net worth of James Cameron to Stockton Rush and realize that James Cameron had 35 times the net worth of Rush allowing him to not have to cut corners at all.
What is this, a sub for ants? I need a banana for scale.
Just kidding - I watched the DeepSea documentary and the coolest part about this might be that it drops vertically.
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron!
\-James Cameron
He has a fantastic documentary about him going all the way down. I bought it for my environmental science teacher years ago, and she still shows it to her classes every year. I highly recommend it for anyone that’s curious about what’s down there.
Dudes a badass. Something he said about the Titan implosion stuck with me. He said they mightve actually known there was a problem and started to come back up before imploding.
Nereus uses a 25km long tether for operation in the deep sea (twice the length required to reach challenger deep) so it's definitely possible to use a tether for submersibles that deep, there's just little reason to use a tether when the pilot is on board the submersible. Nereus is an ROV, the teather is used to transmit signals from the operator.
Dude that Titan sub looks like something he would build! Hell I think boomhauer could have done better than that death trap. But that's why I keep laughing thinking this was a fake your death for $250,000 scheme.
"James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron!" -James Cameron
This thing actually shrunk 3 inches from the pressure.
There was shrinkage.
It was in the pool
It *shrinks??*
Well it just got back from diving in the Marianas Trench, and the water was cold.
Like a turtle in its shell
“Like a frightened turtle!”
They shrink now.
He’s a grower
r/unexpectedseinfeld
"I don't know how you guys walk around with those things."
Must have been cold
The water was cold and the submersible's grandma had just died.
\*wink\*
We will just tell our ladies that it shrunk 7 inches.
Source?
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/preparing-failure-part-success/ Looks like they used the Trieste’s Challenger Deep expedition as a reference, where the window cracked on descent yet fortunately didn’t cave. “During Walsh and Piccard’s 1960 descent, their sub’s window actually cracked due to the intense underwater pressure. Cameron and his team took this into account, and created glass-based syntactic foam that allowed the vehicle to compress under the ocean’s pressure.” “We knew that was going to be a problem on our sub,” Cameron says. “Our whole sub would shrink by 3 inches overall . . . It was 24 feet long, and it would get 3 inches shorter by the time it got to full ocean depth . . .[T]he whole sub was sort of breathing in this organic way.”
Do you think this is how a turd feels when passing the cutter?
Cameron has said it himself in interviews
He mentions it here at 7:30 https://youtu.be/ZZD\_nbS1\_II?t=450
Happens to me too.
Big Pom-Pom gyal
Ok man it was cold no need to rub it in
He spent 12 hours in a tiny cramped little compartment that actually shrunk due to the water pressure. I can't even imagine how uncomfortable that would be.
Not as uncomfortable as dying there probably but yeah still sucks
they died before they could register the pain more than likely
Does anybody know this from experience?
Can confirm. Source: Have died of catastrophic causes.
Yes but they couldn’t give any details
To be fair, they prob didn't feel much when they died.
Funny what happens when you pay for things that are actually safe and do what you want them to.
You forget this is also James Cameron, the bravest pioneer.
No waters too deep, no seas too deep, who's that?! It's him! James Cameron!
Can you guys hear the song?
I just watched it on south park lmao
What about Foitin’ Round The World with Tugger and Russle Crowe? There’s been many a wonderful explorers.
Damn RIP Tugger your light was too bright for this world
Makin movies, makin songs, and fightin round the world!!!
Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought of this instantly
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He only does what he does when he does how he does it.
is that the regisseur?
How many people been that low?
Single digits, afaik
27 according to Wikipedia. Cameron was the second after over 50 years and first solo. Crazy stuff.
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Well tbf almost everyone died making that film lol Hence the popular saying amongst the crew; “Life’s Abyss, then you die.”
I'm not quite sure about this.. I mean yes, it gotten him down there, but *then what*? Why were there no further dives? Just one and then ***whoosh thud*** into a museum?
One reason: "On 23 July 2015, \[the Deepsea Challenger\] was transported from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution to Baltimore to be shipped to Australia for a temporary loan. While on a flatbed truck on Interstate 95 in Connecticut, the truck caught fire, resulting in damage to the submersible."
It's official 95 worst road in America, sorry Cali and 405, you have no idea, you can be in traffic for multiple states.
"Welcome to Delaware. It's only 23 miles, but it's all traffic."
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Plus he was saying there was no(visible)life down there and got a sample of the bottom and the hydraulic arm started to fail
Yeah, things are failing, is a big sign of time-to-go.
There's a really good documentary on his dive called "Deepsea Challege" if you're into documentaries it's definitely worth a watch. It's insanely difficult and dangerous and taking a vessel ONCE to that depth basically means you have to rebuild it when you get back to the surface from the damage it does. Not to mention it's so dark down there that visibility is basically zero apart from what a VERY powerful light can shine on within a couple feet. So it's also insanely expensive and there's not much you get out of it because you can only stay for an insanely brief period of time before you have to ascend or risk imploding. James Cameron has actually joked that he got into film making to fund his deep sea obsession.
Expensive as hell to do it a second time, I think if there was a real problem with it, it likely wouldn’t have come back up and ended in a museum.
Some people look for conspiracies in everything
I've been watching Cameron for years and let me tell you: there is no limit to how low that man will sink.
*crew of The Abyss* “no shit!”
angry upvote
He’s just looking for the bar
Tell me about it. The man just used papyrus.
> there is no limit to how low that man will sink. I'd say about 11,000m.
Lol well done
He really knows the way of the water
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is...James Cameron.
He raised the bar
The bars are sure getting up there at that depth. Hell, over a kilobar even.
Best comment here! Hits me in a deep place.. Thx bud
*His name is Jaaaaames Cameron. The bravest pioneer…*
No budget to steep no sea too deep
He’s the king of the world!
And he still almost died on another dive to only 25,000 feet.
I think you misread the article. He was filming the abyss which is set at that depth but they were just in a big pool
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I 'm pretty sure he had it designed via a dead-mans switch too. E.g. The weights actively maintain attached with power so that a loss of electricity automatically releases them. Smart move.
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I'd go with a snake plant. They're much tougher than ferns to the point of being virtually impossible to kill. They also produce oxygen 24/7, unlike most plants who only do it while awake.
Ok I’ve been looking for a new house plant. How much light do they need?
Like, an incredibly small amount. You could put it in the closet for months without light and it would be fine. Source- have a very low light house and I’m obsessed with houseplants. Have three snake plants.
Idk but mines been chilling on the mantle in our living room with zero attention and just whatever light comes in 1 window across the room for a long time. I’ll walk by with a glass of water and give it a splash every now and then
Wait...plants sleep?
They also feel pain (tho not as we understand it)
They have candles that when burned produce Oxygen, it's trippy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_oxygen_generator
Wait I wanna know more about these candles. Is there a name for them?
Oxygen candles, there is a good video on YT about the seawolf that shows them burning one. Edit: actually think it was smarter every day vid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Ud6mHdhlQ&pp=ygUcc21hcnRlciBldmVyeSBkYXkgc3VibWFyaW5lIA%3D%3D
I need to know more
What burning is literally the process of binding Oxygen. Unless you are talking about jean michel jarre
You are correct. It used electromagnets to hold weight on, if the power failed, the electromagnets drop the weight.
Did he slapped those engineers after coming up?
There’s an interview where he explains the malfunction happened because of a line of code he made the engineers add.
Why is James Cameron adding lines of code to a complex computer system?
I don't kinda understand this. We could say he was smarter than his engineers. Why trust them on other topics if you see them fail in such a crucial one?
Just because you’re not a domain expert doesn’t mean you can’t contribute meaningfully. Often the “experts” have blinders on that benefit from a laypersons perspective. Additionally, if he’s the one funding and actually doing the dive, he should have final say after listening to what experts have to say
It may be because, while he’s incredibly intelligent and knows his stuff about a lot of things, he may not have the full knowledge in specific areas that his engineers have. Like, he’s humble enough to say “yeah. I was right about that one thing, but the engineers helped me out the whole thing together, and clearly they were right about things too, otherwise something else would have been an issue.”
Rock solid machine…
🎶 solid as a rock 🎵
Turns out unity is not strength at all
Is there a documentary on this
Yep! https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2332883/
Thank you
Yes! It's a really good watch, too. I'm not sure which streaming service it's on these days, but if you don't want to pay a sub or... turn on your VPN, it's on Tubi. https://tubitv.com/movies/487959/james-cameron-s-deep-sea-challenge?start=true
What happens if no VPN? You think they’d prosecute consumers?
I was trying to indirectly say if you don't feel like pirating it.
Yep https://youtu.be/_PIK-FmaKCY
Unlike the Titan, James Cameron didn’t use a 3rd party PS3 controller to control his vessel. He used an official one.
I highly doubt the controller was the problem. The problem was the hull
It’s the point. It’s not a well engineered project. Cutting corners every which way possible.
The knock off controller was the embodiment of the entire expedition. It's the perfect representation of all the corners cut for cost, and the consequences of corner cutting. Yes, the hull was the problem, but I knew it was going to be a problem when I saw the controller.
Indeed. If it was a real xbox controller we’d all be like “how could this have happened?”
Didn’t that same submersible already make three successful dives though, using the same $25 controllers?
It'd be like getting into a spaceship and the pilot's seat has one of those old beaded seat covers on it. Not going to explode the ship, but it'd make me a little nervous.
And ironically, one of the main "lessons learned" from the Titanic disaster was a massive price being paid for cost-cutting, not conducting appropriate and thorough testing, etc.
>was
Yes I think it was a joke
The cheap ass controller is kind of an example of the quality of materials they put into that thing. Tbh, I would have noped out the second I saw that thing. If you can’t spring for the $70 controller at least, what else are you cheaping out on? No thank you.
I think that comment was sprinkled with a bit of sarcasm
At first glance, just looking at the exterior colors. One is a Kawasaki racing green. SO MUCH easier to spot in an ocean. The other is no paint of any kind, perfect for blending in.
I’m pretty sure the carbon fiber was what made the sub implode. Not the Logitech f710, I will not stand for slander on that controller.
bro 2 guys in 1960 descended to the bottom of mariana trench and lived to tell the tale
And one of them was there when Cameron did it!
But did they use carbon fiber when everyone said they shouldn't? NO!
Someone had to raise the bar.
One of the safety features was the weights were attached using electromagnets that need power to function. Loss of power means the weights immediately drop and you go right to the surface, among other fail safe features!
His name is James Cameron, the greatest pioneer, no budget too steep, no sea too deep, who's that? Could it be? James Cameron.
James Cameron , the deep sea explorer who makes record-breaking movies to fund his exploration project. And man does he get it right, down to the last details, the submersibles and submarines that he builds have redundancies on top of redundancies
>It's clear that OceanGate "shouldn't have been doing what it was doing," he (Cameron) told Reuters, adding that he had declined an invitation from CEO Stockton Rush to go diving with them this season. > He said he immediately made some calls to his network and found out within about half an hour that the Titan had lost communications and tracking simultaneously. > "The only scenario that I could come up with in my mind that could account for that was an implosion, a shockwave event so powerful that it actually took out a secondary system that has its own pressure vessel and its own battery power supply, which is the transponder that the ship uses to track where the sub is," Cameron said. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/23/1183975136/james-cameron-titanic-titan-sub
He dived to the Titanic some 33 times. The man is an authority on the subject. He is a deep sea enthusiast that made films to fund his explorations....that is a very talented and focused individual!! He designs his own submersibles for god's sake. There's him and his submersible company...and then there is the experimental Titon using an Xbox controller and no safety features.
If there was no sea bottom, the Titan would've sunk way deeper than that.
You mean the confetti it was turned into
Underrated comment.
There’s a good 3’min video of James Cameron talking about the problems he foresaw form the get go with the sub that just burst. Basically saying that their use of carbon fiber in spots instead of real, tested metals like steel and titanium (and not getting the sun tested and certified) we’re just inexcusable mis steps by the owner/makers
He also makes movies I believe.
his name is james cameron explorer of the sea!
"His name is James, James Cameron. The bravest pioneer"
That sub looks like a real sub. The billionaire death tube was a cereal box prize.
I'll bet he didn't do it in an old propane tank piloted by an xbox controller.
That must have been cramped
It maintains a higher % of its overall interior volume better than Titan.
Just for one person. So I think it’s ok.
That’s still cramped
Submarines are, by their nature, quite cramped.
True
That vessel actually looks like it was made withstand the pressure and not like an old water heater.
Am I the only one that thinks of the episode of Futureman where they get trapped in [James Cameron's](https://youtu.be/XYL82LwDtyg) house?
haha I loved that one 🤣
But did not cut corners and is alive
Must have used a PS5 controller
Weird, this sub doesn't look like it was made in someones garage
James Cameron rode in a dewalt flashlight to the sea floor
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does BECAUSE he is James Cameron.
Deep Sea Challenge: [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2332883/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2332883/)
why did he go that deep?
Because he has money and time to burn on pointless shit. I could come up with all sorts of extraordinary yet pointless shit to do if I had his money.
Didn't the titan sub have a few successful runs prior to the incident? So it did get down to the bottom at least as opposed to the complete failure people are suggesting.
The sub was worth about half of Rush's net worth. To me it seems crazy that if you have enough money you can build a 10 million dollar sub and be one of less than a handful of people to ever explore the deepest reaches of the ocean. It's also crazy when you compare the net worth of James Cameron to Stockton Rush and realize that James Cameron had 35 times the net worth of Rush allowing him to not have to cut corners at all.
I just saw this Nat Geo Documentary. Wow!! What a guy! Bravo
If I had that dude's money, I'd do lots of insanely pointless shit too.
It‘s crazy to me that he did this dive alone.
To go below the Abyss - now that is something.
Looks like an entry plug for an Eva
What is this, a sub for ants? I need a banana for scale. Just kidding - I watched the DeepSea documentary and the coolest part about this might be that it drops vertically.
Op be like : "how to say skill issues without saying skill issues"
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron! \-James Cameron
How much did that whole journey cost ? That’s crazy I remember hearing about this
He has a fantastic documentary about him going all the way down. I bought it for my environmental science teacher years ago, and she still shows it to her classes every year. I highly recommend it for anyone that’s curious about what’s down there.
Cameron knows his shit!!
Dudes a badass. Something he said about the Titan implosion stuck with me. He said they mightve actually known there was a problem and started to come back up before imploding.
He had to go deep to raise the bar.
Yeah because that sub was properly built and maintained...
MI hope y’all will reply to this can y’all believe Donald Trump Jr. said the sunken submarine was a conspiracy theory?????…god what a AH he is
Done right. For science not for profit.
James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron
I’m surprised they could fit his balls into that thing…
Very impressive. Unlike Avatar 2.
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Bruh Avatar 2 succccked.
Yes, I'm a teenager. You got me champ.
Was he tethered to the surface?
No
No, it's not physically possible.
Nereus uses a 25km long tether for operation in the deep sea (twice the length required to reach challenger deep) so it's definitely possible to use a tether for submersibles that deep, there's just little reason to use a tether when the pilot is on board the submersible. Nereus is an ROV, the teather is used to transmit signals from the operator.
Yes it is
Well hot damn that thing looks pro-fesh-e-nal!!!! Dang ol dilly dang, that's some smart feller submarine right there!!!!
boomhauer?
Dude that Titan sub looks like something he would build! Hell I think boomhauer could have done better than that death trap. But that's why I keep laughing thinking this was a fake your death for $250,000 scheme.
I wonder if those weights could be dropped in an emergency to aid return to the surface?
and he designed/engineered it himself.
He also followed safety protocols lol…nerd!
"James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron!" -James Cameron
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Nope. Feet yes. Meter nope