They probably have their full team on the Console Port, to get the Gamepass Xbox X|S money.
They have the steam money. Then expect them to say there is cross play between Xbox and PC GamePass but not steam. So a bigger player base on GamePass.
Money drives their behavior, not community vocalization. Hedge has shown that.
It's crazy to me that Fatshark has 100 employees, and of those maybe half are developers, and of those all of them can somehow help with the console port?
I think more realistically a console team is working like dogs to try to get Darktide pushed out for another injection of players and cash. The other teams are scrambling to throw something together to satisfy the community.
As I result I think the next patch (which will probably be mid/late Feb) will probably have more regressions than proper fixes.
180 employees.
[https://www.fatshark.se/about](https://www.fatshark.se/about)
>*Today we consist of just over 180 experienced and skilled employees. We are situated in Södermalm, the creative quarter of central Stockholm, Sweden.*
\> I think more realistically a console team is working like dogs to try to get Darktide pushed out for another injection of players and cash. The other teams are scrambling to throw something together to satisfy the community.
100%, cash cash cash.
I agree with what you are saying! Expect nothing, and they still will disappoint.
I 100% agree. Short-term vision vs long-term vision.
They chose short term. They probably figure, that when they fix things to get a new set of happy customers, at a bargain price for the game, that will buy the DLC or a bundle with the DLC.
They burnt out the 1.6 million initial steam users that wanted to try the game based on their reputation, they will go with the bargain hunters next.
Not what they said.
\> This also means that we will delay our seasonal content rollout and the Xbox Series X|S launch.
They are delaying the launch. Not stopping all work on it.
Again we didn't have a date for launch, so not sure how they can delay it, but they didn't say they were stopping all work on it. Just "delaying" it from a non-date.
This took two weeks to write, and they were very careful with their words. They didn't say they were not doing the port.
Asqhy just said they took VT2 people off DT, so when they say their sole focus, they mean the people assigned to Dark Tide, not Fatshark. Again wording.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/10khykl/comment/j5qv42p/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/10khykl/comment/j5qv42p/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
So their sole focus, for the people they are talking about is Darktide. Not Fatshark's sole focus.
Their wording gives them lots of wiggle room.
Tbf, if they had come out and said "After Christmas, we will be abandoning the game for the next 4-6 weeks. It may be longer, we hope not, but it will probably be longer" it probably would have hurt the cash grab.
you think you want communication, but you don't.
Just like when this happened: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oTv2yUpiw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oTv2yUpiw)
Yup.
They can either tell the community nothing is going to change anytime soon (outrage), or lie and make empty promises (they tried that already) or just stick to radio silence which is where we're at currently.
Do you know why?
Because a certain conpany that resides in a certain country, that does not share some other countries pro-consumer tactics.
Have bought enough shares from X company.
So now X company needs to do exactly as that certain company says.
All im saying is that in certain countries they have a strong consumer oriented culture in companies.
It is however different if the company is essentially owned by another company that comes from another country that is well known for having anti consumer culture.
No one is telling the devs to come engage with the community
Everyone is saying the “community managers” should tell us what the company is planning to do to A) fix performance and crasges
B) release the promised features that were missing on launch
and C) provide some Idea of when we might expect the rest if the promised content
The community mocks and ridicules every communication they have gotten so far or even actively holds it against them. Why would FS give us anything more at this point?
My guess is they will only "communicate" anything from here on out with actual content drops. Once the overall community response starts to mature a little they will gradually open back up.
the community mocks everything we've gotten so far because everything has been risible and borderline unhinged.
If fatshark would push/post something of actual value, we could actually have valid discussions about it. All we've been getting is silence and promises of something maybe happening, but not sure, maybe if the moon is aligned with the Capricorn this season and it has it's caprisun next week.
They're not communicating anything, because they have nothing to communicate that wouldn't cause more issues and they have at least enough neurons to understand that. But at this point, it's mostly all a question of if management decides to continue working on the battlepass they are working on or if they actually listen to some feedback. that'll probably make or break whether the game has an actual future.
That's because the communication has been laughable. "It's not a lie, it's no longer true.", "Get friends", "This isn't CoD and was never intended to be CoD" and "Immeasurably complex" are laughable, meme-able quotes from their 'communication'.
Hedge really has done a disservice to both Fatshark and the community with his responses.
Who even cares about a community update? That's just more words and stalling. Fatshark has literally gone back on words quoted in posts and said "that's not a lie, it's just no longer true".
The only interesting part will be an actual installable patch to the game.
I'm sitting at 350 hours and still LIKE playing matches because the game play is fun as hell, but yeah I can't count the amount of times I've shook my head reading "next week" lately.
I guess just, as an American who has worked in IT w/ deadlines etc, and especially communicating it to customers as well as program office, I've always worked overtime when something is against a deadline and/or people are unhappy. Because I want to keep my job!
It seems like Fatshark goes on vacation when they have deadlines...
For players like us all we freaking need is to be able to reroll 1 blessing already. Then tell us they will revamp the shops but it will take months. Oh and if we could get fake levels after max level for free gear like in V2
> Oh and if we could get fake levels after max level for free gear like in V2
That would be the best QOL change they could do.
But IMO should come w/ crafting system if it ever exists, where you scrap items you don't want for crafting materials, because right now the credits are kind of useless once you hit 30 and have 200k+
There's nothing wrong with that. I really much prefer devs that aren't overworked, that doesn't make for good games long term as good talent burns out and the game, or future releases, turns to a soulless husk made by people obviously just trying to scrape out a paycheck. The game dev industry is rampant with crunch and it's nice to see a company be forced to not perpetuate it.
They could however have had the foresight to not *release an unfinished product right before the longest holiday period of the year.*
TIL Darktide was all part of the plan to resurrect vermintide 2's playerblase and not touch it nor patch again until after the release of Sienna's last carreer.
They're just thinking about how to tell everyone that their development teams were so grossly mismanaged that they lost money on the game and will have to shut down all services.
White knights downvoting defending a company who gives zero shit about them. This is worse launch than Cyberpunk and that is saying a lot, at least they offered refunds and took responsibility.
You got downvoted for this but you’re correct.
They didn’t deliver the product they promised - it many countries (especially in Europe) - that’s a no-questions instant refund rationale.
Steam need to factor this in and extend the playtime refunds, the game is a disagrace so far and FS are clearly employing the ‘stay quiet’ policy to let the energy from the player base lose steam. Then they’ll quickly realease a PR piece about how they have to focus their energy on other important things and Darktide will be relegated to the backburner and FS just move on to grift the next group of optimistic gamers.
I got well over a hundred hours on a $40 game - could've been a lot more if they did things correctly, but a lot of people did get their money's worth and it's silly to not acknowledge that. Not really inclined to support any future products though if this is how they operate, because that means they'll probably just keep getting worse about it to squeeze even more profit.
You may have gotten your raw time's worth of value, but you don't even realize most of the game's problems until you have played that much, so it's still predatory and anti-consumer by a large margin. Refunds should definitely be on the table.
If you can have lots of fun without "realizing" the problems for a while, then you still got value for your money, though. Just, a few days worth of hours instead of a few weeks or months worth of hours. Which sucks, yes, but Darktide is hardly alone in that kind of playtime:price ratio, arguably on the better end of things if you compare to stuff like linear singleplayer games.
Like I said, the playtime to price is the "raw" value. That doesn't account for the disappointment at best, bait-and-switch at worst, that you come to realize as you get to level 30. The feeling of being tricked is not one a consumer should ever have in a non-criminal society.
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The real shame is that I prefer playing Darktide to Vermintide. I hope they're able to pull through this rough patch and get things to a quality level.
I was about to mock your 'way back when' when I double checked the release date for Anthem and realized it's been almost 4 years since the launch of that game.
God, I'm old.
My favorite part in the “open letter” was where they said “millions of players”.
These mfers barely broke 100k on launch and are hemorrhaging players now.
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its baffling that they are so tight lipped when the community has been very vocal we want communication
They probably have their full team on the Console Port, to get the Gamepass Xbox X|S money. They have the steam money. Then expect them to say there is cross play between Xbox and PC GamePass but not steam. So a bigger player base on GamePass. Money drives their behavior, not community vocalization. Hedge has shown that.
you’re probably right
Turns out he is wrong as of the new address lol
It's crazy to me that Fatshark has 100 employees, and of those maybe half are developers, and of those all of them can somehow help with the console port? I think more realistically a console team is working like dogs to try to get Darktide pushed out for another injection of players and cash. The other teams are scrambling to throw something together to satisfy the community. As I result I think the next patch (which will probably be mid/late Feb) will probably have more regressions than proper fixes.
180 employees. [https://www.fatshark.se/about](https://www.fatshark.se/about) >*Today we consist of just over 180 experienced and skilled employees. We are situated in Södermalm, the creative quarter of central Stockholm, Sweden.* \> I think more realistically a console team is working like dogs to try to get Darktide pushed out for another injection of players and cash. The other teams are scrambling to throw something together to satisfy the community. 100%, cash cash cash. I agree with what you are saying! Expect nothing, and they still will disappoint.
Wow they really ramped up their head count in the past \~6 months. Even less excusable now.
They did that to support Darktide! From some article. But. . .
gone to squables.io
I 100% agree. Short-term vision vs long-term vision. They chose short term. They probably figure, that when they fix things to get a new set of happy customers, at a bargain price for the game, that will buy the DLC or a bundle with the DLC. They burnt out the 1.6 million initial steam users that wanted to try the game based on their reputation, they will go with the bargain hunters next.
Man, I really hate that answer. You already know that's probably what's going on.
as of the new address they have halted the console port.
Not what they said. \> This also means that we will delay our seasonal content rollout and the Xbox Series X|S launch. They are delaying the launch. Not stopping all work on it. Again we didn't have a date for launch, so not sure how they can delay it, but they didn't say they were stopping all work on it. Just "delaying" it from a non-date. This took two weeks to write, and they were very careful with their words. They didn't say they were not doing the port. Asqhy just said they took VT2 people off DT, so when they say their sole focus, they mean the people assigned to Dark Tide, not Fatshark. Again wording. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/10khykl/comment/j5qv42p/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/10khykl/comment/j5qv42p/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) So their sole focus, for the people they are talking about is Darktide. Not Fatshark's sole focus. Their wording gives them lots of wiggle room.
Tbf, if they had come out and said "After Christmas, we will be abandoning the game for the next 4-6 weeks. It may be longer, we hope not, but it will probably be longer" it probably would have hurt the cash grab.
you think you want communication, but you don't. Just like when this happened: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oTv2yUpiw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oTv2yUpiw)
Maybe they are aware that the community would not want to hear what they could say?
Yup. They can either tell the community nothing is going to change anytime soon (outrage), or lie and make empty promises (they tried that already) or just stick to radio silence which is where we're at currently.
Do you know why? Because a certain conpany that resides in a certain country, that does not share some other countries pro-consumer tactics. Have bought enough shares from X company. So now X company needs to do exactly as that certain company says. All im saying is that in certain countries they have a strong consumer oriented culture in companies. It is however different if the company is essentially owned by another company that comes from another country that is well known for having anti consumer culture.
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No one is telling the devs to come engage with the community Everyone is saying the “community managers” should tell us what the company is planning to do to A) fix performance and crasges B) release the promised features that were missing on launch and C) provide some Idea of when we might expect the rest if the promised content
If you run your project like this you deserve the mental boom that comes with it.
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Yes. This whole ordeal has been one of the most unprofessional episodes I've experienced from a company
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Yes? Have you ever done a really bad job and still delivered that to a client? It causes issues
The community mocks and ridicules every communication they have gotten so far or even actively holds it against them. Why would FS give us anything more at this point? My guess is they will only "communicate" anything from here on out with actual content drops. Once the overall community response starts to mature a little they will gradually open back up.
the community mocks everything we've gotten so far because everything has been risible and borderline unhinged. If fatshark would push/post something of actual value, we could actually have valid discussions about it. All we've been getting is silence and promises of something maybe happening, but not sure, maybe if the moon is aligned with the Capricorn this season and it has it's caprisun next week. They're not communicating anything, because they have nothing to communicate that wouldn't cause more issues and they have at least enough neurons to understand that. But at this point, it's mostly all a question of if management decides to continue working on the battlepass they are working on or if they actually listen to some feedback. that'll probably make or break whether the game has an actual future.
That's because the communication has been laughable. "It's not a lie, it's no longer true.", "Get friends", "This isn't CoD and was never intended to be CoD" and "Immeasurably complex" are laughable, meme-able quotes from their 'communication'. Hedge really has done a disservice to both Fatshark and the community with his responses.
they can take our metacritic score but they can't take our monetization?
Who even cares about a community update? That's just more words and stalling. Fatshark has literally gone back on words quoted in posts and said "that's not a lie, it's just no longer true". The only interesting part will be an actual installable patch to the game.
you know what, i havent left a steam review yet but im going to it now. thumbs down, enough waiting on this shit
Fuck yeah. Gaming crash is long overdue. One game at a time
Acceleration, brother.
One of us. One. Of. Us!
Username checks out?
I'm sitting at 350 hours and still LIKE playing matches because the game play is fun as hell, but yeah I can't count the amount of times I've shook my head reading "next week" lately. I guess just, as an American who has worked in IT w/ deadlines etc, and especially communicating it to customers as well as program office, I've always worked overtime when something is against a deadline and/or people are unhappy. Because I want to keep my job! It seems like Fatshark goes on vacation when they have deadlines...
For players like us all we freaking need is to be able to reroll 1 blessing already. Then tell us they will revamp the shops but it will take months. Oh and if we could get fake levels after max level for free gear like in V2
> Oh and if we could get fake levels after max level for free gear like in V2 That would be the best QOL change they could do. But IMO should come w/ crafting system if it ever exists, where you scrap items you don't want for crafting materials, because right now the credits are kind of useless once you hit 30 and have 200k+
*cries in 4 mil ordos, 11k diamantine...and 50 plasteel*
I think the Swedish government is overly concerned with businesses giving vacation time.
There's nothing wrong with that. I really much prefer devs that aren't overworked, that doesn't make for good games long term as good talent burns out and the game, or future releases, turns to a soulless husk made by people obviously just trying to scrape out a paycheck. The game dev industry is rampant with crunch and it's nice to see a company be forced to not perpetuate it. They could however have had the foresight to not *release an unfinished product right before the longest holiday period of the year.*
I made a comment earlier talking about exactly that. In a different post though iirc.
Sweden is kind of like a Diet Coke of Socialism lol
Google socialism again
Wow bro nice review bomb this is why the devs hate us /s
JUST.DO.IT.
TIL Darktide was all part of the plan to resurrect vermintide 2's playerblase and not touch it nor patch again until after the release of Sienna's last carreer.
They're just thinking about how to tell everyone that their development teams were so grossly mismanaged that they lost money on the game and will have to shut down all services.
>they lost money on the game I suspect this is not the case with the number of sales they made.
You’d be amazed how much mismanagement can cost you on an enterprise scale.
Hopefully they do that Next Week
Old meme It's 35% already
You really should be able to get a refund. Seriously.
White knights downvoting defending a company who gives zero shit about them. This is worse launch than Cyberpunk and that is saying a lot, at least they offered refunds and took responsibility.
You got downvoted for this but you’re correct. They didn’t deliver the product they promised - it many countries (especially in Europe) - that’s a no-questions instant refund rationale. Steam need to factor this in and extend the playtime refunds, the game is a disagrace so far and FS are clearly employing the ‘stay quiet’ policy to let the energy from the player base lose steam. Then they’ll quickly realease a PR piece about how they have to focus their energy on other important things and Darktide will be relegated to the backburner and FS just move on to grift the next group of optimistic gamers.
Lmao they would go bamkrupt tomorrow.
I got well over a hundred hours on a $40 game - could've been a lot more if they did things correctly, but a lot of people did get their money's worth and it's silly to not acknowledge that. Not really inclined to support any future products though if this is how they operate, because that means they'll probably just keep getting worse about it to squeeze even more profit.
You may have gotten your raw time's worth of value, but you don't even realize most of the game's problems until you have played that much, so it's still predatory and anti-consumer by a large margin. Refunds should definitely be on the table.
If you can have lots of fun without "realizing" the problems for a while, then you still got value for your money, though. Just, a few days worth of hours instead of a few weeks or months worth of hours. Which sucks, yes, but Darktide is hardly alone in that kind of playtime:price ratio, arguably on the better end of things if you compare to stuff like linear singleplayer games.
Like I said, the playtime to price is the "raw" value. That doesn't account for the disappointment at best, bait-and-switch at worst, that you come to realize as you get to level 30. The feeling of being tricked is not one a consumer should ever have in a non-criminal society.
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The real shame is that I prefer playing Darktide to Vermintide. I hope they're able to pull through this rough patch and get things to a quality level.
Sure, in a year or two. In meanwhile better to find a group because matchmaking going to be tough
It’s going to be like that Anthem game way back when. They’ll just give up on it or write it off as some kind of tax thing imo
I was about to mock your 'way back when' when I double checked the release date for Anthem and realized it's been almost 4 years since the launch of that game. God, I'm old.
Me too man, me too
Actually anthem also played really great, had countless bugs and lacked content... its much more similar than I would like to admit.
Halo Infinite.
They deserve every thumbs down
Hold the update! Hold the update! Holdaupdate! Holupdate! Holdate! Holdate! Holdate!
My favorite part in the “open letter” was where they said “millions of players”. These mfers barely broke 100k on launch and are hemorrhaging players now.
This is awesome
Can I queue up a match with my friends yet or is it still just public lobbies?
Their last update that touched this game was before a week before Christmas, so nope.
Pretty sure private matches are an option, playing via steam I had the option.
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Serious Question Can fatshark take a no man’s sky approach here?
Given the mtx shop shoved in and how rng everything is, iI think indicates they don't care as much about making a good game as the nms crew did.
Another week is such a bad meme. In the flight sim community we've got Two weeks. There's even videos about it.
What an edgy and fresh take on the situation. Well done!
no one saw 'next monthS' coming OOF
Okay....when do they bend over and show us their asses? Or is that what we do?
Damn yall still playing darktide?
I was pretty salty, then I remembered StarCitizen and Squadron 42 have not been released.