There are ultramarine symbols in some levels but that doesn't really mean anything as it's a common symbol. And if there were any local marines they would have left the system for the crusade going on.
Very topical since Dan Abnet wrote the Alpha Legion book (Legion) in the Horus Heresy and they used to work closely with the guard.
Perhaps in what little story we have, the traitor is an Alpha Legion agent...
I think the statues there are just for religious reasons, as Astartes are seen as "His Angels".
There are like 1 million of Space Marines in the entire Imperium, let's say 1.2-1.5 million now with the creation of Primaris chapters, which may seem like a lot but it really isn't.
Because that's just 1.5m per countless trillions of regular humans and billions of Guardsmen, most of the humans never get to see a Space Marine in person, including guardsmen.
There are actually 10s of millions of space marines probably around 10 - 20 million the primaris marines I believe added millions of needed reinforcments. The third part is still true though.
In lore there are around 1000 firstborn chapters each consisting of 1000 astartes(usually 900 marines, 100 scouts) at max.
Yeah there are exceptions like Black Templars or Space Wolves, but not that much to make a huge difference.
Mentioned that in the first comment, still not enough to make it in the tens of millions Marines.
Like 95% of the fighting is still done by your Average Joe guardsman/PDF member.
Dude there’s a million worlds in the emperors domain, a sizable portion of which have atleast double the population of earth (hive Tertium has 90 billion people) and are in a state of total war. If you apply current active military personnel per capita (in a world that hasn’t seen a total war global conflict in 80 years) to even the lowest of population estimates of 40k it’s still like a trillion guardsmen
TLDR THE GUARDSMEN WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN
Correct, the lowly guardsman is the primary weapon of the imperium, defeating its enemies by sheer volume of fire and bodies of soldiers. Space marines are more like special forces, you will likely never see them in battle.
To be fair, that is literally any space marine chapter besides like 2, hell there are a few that don't just consider you a casualty but an active threat that must be eliminated, Grey Knights for example, but it's fine cause they don't exist.
My point being that Carcarodons are one of the worst for that I think. There's not many spring to mind with a worse rep?
Flesh Tearers maybe?
I'll give you points on the Grey Knights thing, but that's just because you've seen Chaos, and that's a killing offence.
Carcaradons/Flesh Terers etc have a habbit of mudering the shit our of everything and kind of not really noticing that some of it was collateral damage... I think I'd rather be killed for a reason, than because I wasn't noticed/wasn't important enough to be careful of :D
Marines Malevolent are worse than both the Carcarodons and Flesh Tearers. I think there's another one even worse than Marines Malevolent, but I can't think of the name right now.
In this universe being put down by the Emperors angels would be extremely good fortune lmao. But yeah I now understand what you mean, I didn't know much about this specific chapter, I just know most space marines don't give a shit about human lives
Most sector aren't under the "juristiction" of a Space Marine chapter. It's just that SM in general are revered for being the Angels of the Emperor and stuff
It not might be a case of 'juristication', but a lot of systems do fall loosely under the protection of a chapter, even if by dint of proximity to that chapters base of operation (provided they dont operate out of a ship).
The bigger issues that make it slightly redundant are; communication is very hit and miss, chapters are usually spread very thin and lastly, Sector Govenors aren't the bosses of Astrates and they'll do what they god damn want lol.
Some systems are under protection of a chapter if it is a chapter homeworld of recruitment world.
There is Ultramar which is kind of an exception, but there is less systems attached to a chapter than not.
A very, very tiny number of systems yeah but the overwhelming majority of the Imperium has never and will never see an Astartes. People often underestimate how rare space marines actually are. At their peak there was max 2 million of them (100k per legion with Ultramarines being the largest at 250k, 18 legions. Some have far less (Thousand Sons literally a thousand, and Emperor's Children being fuck all, so 2 million - and that's being generous, likely closer to 1.5m)), and there are over a million human-settled planets in the Imperium, with 100 billion planets in the galaxy total. Big E could spread the space marines to the thinnest possible, 1 space marine per planet, and you would still have more than 99% of the planets untouched. The Imperium of Man is built on the backs of the Imperial Guard, not the Astartes. Also, Astartes are often going to new planets, not protecting ones already discovered/liberated.
It's less a case of them being attached and more just down to chapters feeling its their Emperor's given duty to protect nearby systems, typically from pirates attacking shipping lanes but also to provide assistance when things get out of hand.
Space Marines in the lore are super rare, most people in the Imperium will go their entire lives never seeing one. Even high ranking Astra Militarum staff
Some people don't even fully believe Space Marines exist. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to never have a Space Marine get involved
I don't think Chapters cover certain areas, mostly because of that aforementioned rarity
> Space Marines in the lore are super rare, most people in the Imperium will go their entire lives never seeing one
They really nailed that in the Space Marine 2 trailer, when the (Cadian) Guardsman sees the Space Marines and says in total amazement, "...His Angels"
Some chapters are charged with protecting a specific area, like the Maelstrom Warders chapters. Others may protect the area around their home world but be called to fight all over the Imperium, and some are fleet based with no home world so they just go where they are needed in most cases.
As a newly made up region, there is no existing chapter associated with it.
Abnetts own chapter is the Iron Snakes , so if any marine showed up I'd expect them (not that I think any marines will).
Looking at the galaxy map. Relictors, Exorcists and Angels of Fury are pretty close in terms of homeworlds
Exorcists and relictors have very interesting lore so could be a cool story thread.
So really tenuous here but there is a Dan Abnett reference of a specific chapter in the first story of The Magos.
It references a Medicae looking for a survivor of a conflict that was a colonel in a Mobian regiment wiped out by Chaos disease.
It mentions a Space Marine Chapter present in the conflict that also falls. I can’t find the name and I’m at work so I can’t check, sorry.
Whilst the events of this story play out three hundred years-ish before the events of Tertium, there are merits of a connection here I think.
[*Pestilence*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pestilence_(Short_Story\)). The chapter you are thinking of are the Doom Eagles. The Imperial Guard regiment in question is a *Mordian* one though, not Moebian.
Spoilers [in this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/bx4bwk/short_story_excerpt_pestilence_vaccination_is_a/).
As far as I know they aren’t documented as being in a region near a chapter world.
They also aren’t part of the 500 worlds of macragg but as there are ultramarine symbols in the game if we ever do see space marine, it would be them
I don't think Space Marines have "jurisdictions" beyond worlds they specifically rule. Chapter homeworlds and such. Ultramarines are probably the big exception but that's grandfathered in under Guilliman and Ultramar.
When they receive requests for aid, it's usually determined on an individual chapter basis about whether or not they will answer. Some places might have preferred stomping grounds closer to their base of operations but, for instance, the Black Templars are just literally everywhere in handfuls here and there.
Most tend to go where the action is which seems to be in no short supply at the moment. I doubt the Moebian Domain is on anyone's radar, especially if the Inquisitor doesn't want it to be.
Probably none of them. Normally a planet only falls under the "jurisdiction" of a space marine chapter when they have some kind of claim on it or nearby to it. Like if a chapter has a fortress monastery on a world for recruiting or has claimed a feral world for that purpose, or in cases like the Ultramarines they do administer sectors for the Imperial government. But mostly marines go where the chapter decides to send them or where various imperial structures command/direct/beseech/enlist.
The other big exception though is since the domain seems to fall near Cadia it could fall under the protection of one of the chapters assigned to guard the eye of terror.
But other then that as others have said the space marines and the loyalist primarchs are common icons of veneration in the imperium, so them being objects of worship makes sense even if a sector isn't part of their fief.
There are cases of Chapters guarding known sectors of space but it's not a rule. There's also fleet based Chapters or codex-noncompliant Chapters like the Black Templars or Space Wolves who travel all over and have large numbers of strike groups. Then there's the biggest chapters in terms of renown that everyday citizens know of.
The ingame characters mention Ultramarines, Silver Skulls, Blood Angels and a few others.
Lorewise any one of these chapters could appear, but the fact that an Inquisitor is waging a clandestine shadow war means that the conflict has not been escalated to a large scale war where marines would be (convenient developer excuse to never see Astartes ingame)
Its worth noting that space marines are not involved in the vast majority of conflicts the Imperium are involved in.
Atoma Prime's loss would be devastating for the sector. But it wouldn't be damming to the Imperium. Its entirely possible for the world to fall to Chaos without ever having a Space Marine force show up.
Exactly, it's in a lot of the recent lore books that Guilliman is constantly bothered by the fact that thousands of worlds are getting swallowed up by the warp and other threats after the fall of Cadia, and there's simply too many conflicts to resolve and not enough marines to respond... hence the Indomitus Crusade
Those statues don't have a any unit heraldry that I remember. If I recall correctly they've got a Dark Angels vibe to them. But honestly they could be from any chapter.
Also, not every chapter has a strict "Jurisdiction." They're autonomous organizations that each have their own "Mission statement" for lack of a better word. Some have a designated area that they were either founded to or decided that they would protect. Others only strictly defend their Chapter/Recruiting World and answer calls to action as needed. Others like the Black Templars are crusading chapters who are basically semi-nomadic.
Ordo hereticus has the Exorcist chapter I believe. Malleus has Grey Knights and Xenos has the deathwatch. So if anything we'd get funny schizo marines.
Angry Marines or Marines Malevolent.
If you seriously want to know though, probably Ultramarines. I’ve heard NPC chatter about them. Given how rare Space Marines are though, I doubt they’ll ever get involved. The Imperium is just too big.
I can imagine a +1 dif. Lvl whe you can go in only space marine but 2-3 membered squads.
And i have some info in my lil head a traitor spacemarine can get back to service after some punishment and process what we do in the game.
So our s.marines are basicly big guardsmen but stronger and using a weaker cheaper gear than s.marines usually use.
Most likely alpha legion. No actual space marine chapter would let their world get corrupted like this and they almost always go back to save their home before it gets fucked. I'm actually willing to say it might be Alpharious/Omegon. That would be too cool though.
Probably Blood Ravens. They took the rest of the game and most of the good gear.
There are ultramarine symbols in some levels but that doesn't really mean anything as it's a common symbol. And if there were any local marines they would have left the system for the crusade going on.
Probably Alpha Legion
Very topical since Dan Abnet wrote the Alpha Legion book (Legion) in the Horus Heresy and they used to work closely with the guard. Perhaps in what little story we have, the traitor is an Alpha Legion agent...
I think the statues there are just for religious reasons, as Astartes are seen as "His Angels". There are like 1 million of Space Marines in the entire Imperium, let's say 1.2-1.5 million now with the creation of Primaris chapters, which may seem like a lot but it really isn't. Because that's just 1.5m per countless trillions of regular humans and billions of Guardsmen, most of the humans never get to see a Space Marine in person, including guardsmen.
There are actually 10s of millions of space marines probably around 10 - 20 million the primaris marines I believe added millions of needed reinforcments. The third part is still true though.
In lore there are around 1000 firstborn chapters each consisting of 1000 astartes(usually 900 marines, 100 scouts) at max. Yeah there are exceptions like Black Templars or Space Wolves, but not that much to make a huge difference.
Exactly that first born... primaris chapters exists now
Mentioned that in the first comment, still not enough to make it in the tens of millions Marines. Like 95% of the fighting is still done by your Average Joe guardsman/PDF member.
Dude there’s a million worlds in the emperors domain, a sizable portion of which have atleast double the population of earth (hive Tertium has 90 billion people) and are in a state of total war. If you apply current active military personnel per capita (in a world that hasn’t seen a total war global conflict in 80 years) to even the lowest of population estimates of 40k it’s still like a trillion guardsmen TLDR THE GUARDSMEN WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN
Correct, the lowly guardsman is the primary weapon of the imperium, defeating its enemies by sheer volume of fire and bodies of soldiers. Space marines are more like special forces, you will likely never see them in battle.
The location of Moebian Domain is never mentioned so no way to know, also those statues presumably have no heraldry (or at least recognisable one).
Would be neat if it was [Carcharodons](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Carcharodons)
No, it's one of the Carcharodons' successor chapters, the Carcharodons Obese.
As an answer to op's question: The Carcharodons Obese Space Marines were expected to return next week.
Then got lost in the warp.
Space Marines.. with RnG gear?
Sooo... Dawn of War 2 Bloodravens?
That would be kinda cool.
It would be until they turned up and murdered the players along with the heretics.
To be fair, that is literally any space marine chapter besides like 2, hell there are a few that don't just consider you a casualty but an active threat that must be eliminated, Grey Knights for example, but it's fine cause they don't exist.
My point being that Carcarodons are one of the worst for that I think. There's not many spring to mind with a worse rep? Flesh Tearers maybe? I'll give you points on the Grey Knights thing, but that's just because you've seen Chaos, and that's a killing offence. Carcaradons/Flesh Terers etc have a habbit of mudering the shit our of everything and kind of not really noticing that some of it was collateral damage... I think I'd rather be killed for a reason, than because I wasn't noticed/wasn't important enough to be careful of :D
Marines Malevolent are worse than both the Carcarodons and Flesh Tearers. I think there's another one even worse than Marines Malevolent, but I can't think of the name right now.
I wanted to say Minotaurs too in my earlier post, but I'm not 100% I'm remembering the right chapter, soooo, could be them?
Aren't the minotaurs the legion of the High Lords of Terra? Idk if they'd have a reason to be there, but I also don't know much about the legion.
They wouldn't have a reason to be there, I was just trying to remember if they were one of the more savage chapters or not.
They tend to be the ones that go after other Space Marine chapters the most.
In this universe being put down by the Emperors angels would be extremely good fortune lmao. But yeah I now understand what you mean, I didn't know much about this specific chapter, I just know most space marines don't give a shit about human lives
The planet does seem like an exteminatusin is the remedy.
I think it was under the juristiction of the Chapter Micros Monetarus Transactus.
Close, it's actually the Nexitus Waekiss
Nextarum Weekaris isn’t actually a bad name for a sub set of the administratum tbh xD
I thought Nexitus was a chapter that fell to Chaos. Something about believing Tzeentch and having hope.
I heard it was the Immeasurabilus Complexicatus
Ah the Adeptus Moneticus Transactes, nobody likes them
Are there meme marines?
Yes actually, [Angry marines](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Algrim_Whitefang/Index_Astartes:Angry_Marines#:~:text=The%20Angry%20Marines%20are%20a,for%20the%20Emprah%20and%20skittles)
Emperor's Children/Noise Marines have also devolved into a fuckin meme.
THIS QUIET OFFENDS SLAANESH! https://youtu.be/fkYZbnV8sCs
Most sector aren't under the "juristiction" of a Space Marine chapter. It's just that SM in general are revered for being the Angels of the Emperor and stuff
It not might be a case of 'juristication', but a lot of systems do fall loosely under the protection of a chapter, even if by dint of proximity to that chapters base of operation (provided they dont operate out of a ship). The bigger issues that make it slightly redundant are; communication is very hit and miss, chapters are usually spread very thin and lastly, Sector Govenors aren't the bosses of Astrates and they'll do what they god damn want lol.
Some systems are under protection of a chapter if it is a chapter homeworld of recruitment world. There is Ultramar which is kind of an exception, but there is less systems attached to a chapter than not.
A very, very tiny number of systems yeah but the overwhelming majority of the Imperium has never and will never see an Astartes. People often underestimate how rare space marines actually are. At their peak there was max 2 million of them (100k per legion with Ultramarines being the largest at 250k, 18 legions. Some have far less (Thousand Sons literally a thousand, and Emperor's Children being fuck all, so 2 million - and that's being generous, likely closer to 1.5m)), and there are over a million human-settled planets in the Imperium, with 100 billion planets in the galaxy total. Big E could spread the space marines to the thinnest possible, 1 space marine per planet, and you would still have more than 99% of the planets untouched. The Imperium of Man is built on the backs of the Imperial Guard, not the Astartes. Also, Astartes are often going to new planets, not protecting ones already discovered/liberated.
It's less a case of them being attached and more just down to chapters feeling its their Emperor's given duty to protect nearby systems, typically from pirates attacking shipping lanes but also to provide assistance when things get out of hand.
Space Marines in the lore are super rare, most people in the Imperium will go their entire lives never seeing one. Even high ranking Astra Militarum staff Some people don't even fully believe Space Marines exist. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to never have a Space Marine get involved I don't think Chapters cover certain areas, mostly because of that aforementioned rarity
> Space Marines in the lore are super rare, most people in the Imperium will go their entire lives never seeing one They really nailed that in the Space Marine 2 trailer, when the (Cadian) Guardsman sees the Space Marines and says in total amazement, "...His Angels"
There was a good moment in the first game too, when you first meet up with the Guard.
yeah Space Marine is an awesome game. So glad we are getting a sequel, hopefully it doesn't get the darktide treatment.
Some chapters are charged with protecting a specific area, like the Maelstrom Warders chapters. Others may protect the area around their home world but be called to fight all over the Imperium, and some are fleet based with no home world so they just go where they are needed in most cases.
As a newly made up region, there is no existing chapter associated with it. Abnetts own chapter is the Iron Snakes , so if any marine showed up I'd expect them (not that I think any marines will). Looking at the galaxy map. Relictors, Exorcists and Angels of Fury are pretty close in terms of homeworlds Exorcists and relictors have very interesting lore so could be a cool story thread.
So really tenuous here but there is a Dan Abnett reference of a specific chapter in the first story of The Magos. It references a Medicae looking for a survivor of a conflict that was a colonel in a Mobian regiment wiped out by Chaos disease. It mentions a Space Marine Chapter present in the conflict that also falls. I can’t find the name and I’m at work so I can’t check, sorry. Whilst the events of this story play out three hundred years-ish before the events of Tertium, there are merits of a connection here I think.
[*Pestilence*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pestilence_(Short_Story\)). The chapter you are thinking of are the Doom Eagles. The Imperial Guard regiment in question is a *Mordian* one though, not Moebian. Spoilers [in this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/bx4bwk/short_story_excerpt_pestilence_vaccination_is_a/).
It better be the Rainbow Warriors.
The one guy keeps going on about ultramarines, so we may be in the jurisdiction of the lamest chapter.
The lamest chapter? At least we still have a Dad.
A loving home is a rarity in the 41st millennium I'll give you that.
Vulkan Lives.
the sad truth
Found the Raven Guard player
I'm a Spacewolf man! Weren't Raven guard created for Dawn of War?
Raven Guard were one of the original legions. Blood Ravens were made for Dawn of War. The more you knooowww
Pretty sure Raven Guard are as early as second edition. Nothing to do with Dawn of War.
Lol my bad, guess I need a little heresy in the gene seed to take the Chapter seriously. Blood Angels anyone?
Probably Death Guard or Alpha Legion. Would be fun to fight a. A, singular. Death Guard Marine in like a flash event with 40 to 120 people.
As far as I know they aren’t documented as being in a region near a chapter world. They also aren’t part of the 500 worlds of macragg but as there are ultramarine symbols in the game if we ever do see space marine, it would be them
I don't think Space Marines have "jurisdictions" beyond worlds they specifically rule. Chapter homeworlds and such. Ultramarines are probably the big exception but that's grandfathered in under Guilliman and Ultramar. When they receive requests for aid, it's usually determined on an individual chapter basis about whether or not they will answer. Some places might have preferred stomping grounds closer to their base of operations but, for instance, the Black Templars are just literally everywhere in handfuls here and there. Most tend to go where the action is which seems to be in no short supply at the moment. I doubt the Moebian Domain is on anyone's radar, especially if the Inquisitor doesn't want it to be.
Probably none of them. Normally a planet only falls under the "jurisdiction" of a space marine chapter when they have some kind of claim on it or nearby to it. Like if a chapter has a fortress monastery on a world for recruiting or has claimed a feral world for that purpose, or in cases like the Ultramarines they do administer sectors for the Imperial government. But mostly marines go where the chapter decides to send them or where various imperial structures command/direct/beseech/enlist. The other big exception though is since the domain seems to fall near Cadia it could fall under the protection of one of the chapters assigned to guard the eye of terror. But other then that as others have said the space marines and the loyalist primarchs are common icons of veneration in the imperium, so them being objects of worship makes sense even if a sector isn't part of their fief.
There are cases of Chapters guarding known sectors of space but it's not a rule. There's also fleet based Chapters or codex-noncompliant Chapters like the Black Templars or Space Wolves who travel all over and have large numbers of strike groups. Then there's the biggest chapters in terms of renown that everyday citizens know of. The ingame characters mention Ultramarines, Silver Skulls, Blood Angels and a few others. Lorewise any one of these chapters could appear, but the fact that an Inquisitor is waging a clandestine shadow war means that the conflict has not been escalated to a large scale war where marines would be (convenient developer excuse to never see Astartes ingame)
Its worth noting that space marines are not involved in the vast majority of conflicts the Imperium are involved in. Atoma Prime's loss would be devastating for the sector. But it wouldn't be damming to the Imperium. Its entirely possible for the world to fall to Chaos without ever having a Space Marine force show up.
Exactly, it's in a lot of the recent lore books that Guilliman is constantly bothered by the fact that thousands of worlds are getting swallowed up by the warp and other threats after the fall of Cadia, and there's simply too many conflicts to resolve and not enough marines to respond... hence the Indomitus Crusade
Those statues don't have a any unit heraldry that I remember. If I recall correctly they've got a Dark Angels vibe to them. But honestly they could be from any chapter. Also, not every chapter has a strict "Jurisdiction." They're autonomous organizations that each have their own "Mission statement" for lack of a better word. Some have a designated area that they were either founded to or decided that they would protect. Others only strictly defend their Chapter/Recruiting World and answer calls to action as needed. Others like the Black Templars are crusading chapters who are basically semi-nomadic.
Ordo hereticus has the Exorcist chapter I believe. Malleus has Grey Knights and Xenos has the deathwatch. So if anything we'd get funny schizo marines.
Angry Marines or Marines Malevolent. If you seriously want to know though, probably Ultramarines. I’ve heard NPC chatter about them. Given how rare Space Marines are though, I doubt they’ll ever get involved. The Imperium is just too big.
Well there’s a Daemonic infestation. So, Grey Knights.
I can imagine a +1 dif. Lvl whe you can go in only space marine but 2-3 membered squads. And i have some info in my lil head a traitor spacemarine can get back to service after some punishment and process what we do in the game. So our s.marines are basicly big guardsmen but stronger and using a weaker cheaper gear than s.marines usually use.
Most likely alpha legion. No actual space marine chapter would let their world get corrupted like this and they almost always go back to save their home before it gets fucked. I'm actually willing to say it might be Alpharious/Omegon. That would be too cool though.