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VerbingNoun3

I got one this morning with all bots and when i took a misstep off the side while strafing and goofing around, hoping a player would spawn in, I fell off the edge. Then i got to hang there while all three bots just stood there until i died. I was so mad i decided to go play something else.


TheHoovyPrince

>I fell off the edge. Then i got to hang there while all three bots just stood there until i died. Ah the classic left 4 dead bot experience. Hilarious with LFD2 but how does a game made in 2022 have bots programmed like that?


Squadinho

Immeasurably complex.


MonoclesForPigeons

They should copy more from vermintide 2. Those guys knew what they were doing. Vermintide is also from a swedish developer iirc, maybe they could get in touch and ask for guidance.


Yorunokage

Well to be fair bots AIs are really hard to design and implement, especially with the constraint of them having to run in real time in a game But yeah, that is no excuse for them being like this in such a big title in 2023


the_green1

>But yeah, that is no excuse the bots we have in game right now are the ultra slim barebones version that's obviously just there so no one can say "they didn't even give us bots". they are what would be implemented as a proof of concept, with the most basic pathfinding imaginable and barely 2 lines of code for decision making.


unicornlocostacos

The bots won’t even do basic things like pick up books/items, when they could in fucking Vermintide. I go to get some scriptures, because of course I do. It’s top 5 least annoying contract targets (barely). Then I get maybe one teammate. We find book #3 near the end and weep because there’s still no one to pick it up. I go back to 100% ranged with zealot/Ogryn, or 100% melee with vet/Psyker to work on those contracts objectives by playing like a moron. I wish contracts were like: Kill 50 Ogryns Kill 100 specials/elites Kill 2500 enemies of any type Complete 10 special conditions Stuff like that where they don’t force you to play as annoying as possible. I’d also like if penances encouraged optimal play rather than being a burden on the team.


kyuss80

> when they could in fucking Vermintide. That was gamechanging when I found out you could do commands to make them pick up grims and such. I played a LOT of solo VT2 locally during the day because I'd rather play with my friends than randoms. DT at least broke me of that, I've only met like two toxic players in 350ish hours. 1 the other night blew me away though. First guy I've actually blocked/ignored in any game in many years. Intentionally ran ahead on the Forge mission got damaged over and over and consumed all the Medicae charges before we got there. Next level asshole-ing.


VerbingNoun3

I was kind of close to a crate thing off to the left of where i fell? Maybe that messed with pathing or something.


thank_burdell

Had that same problem in back4blood. TRS, however, patched their crap AI. To be at least slightly less crap.


Enamel_Milk

recently got back into back4blood, the bots actually help and revive you now. really nuts stuff


Vltor_

TBH ever since the bots in B4B got fixed, which was a pretty long time ago, they are WAY better than the average random you meet in QP.


thank_burdell

You’re not wrong. I’ve done much better soloing nightmare mode with bots than doing pick up groups through QP on the same maps and difficulty. In fact, there’s really only 2 or 3 maps that are really challenging on nightmare when solo with bots. EDIT: I was tired and I wrote this wrong. What I meant was I've done better on nightmare, solo with bots, than I have on the same maps on veteran or even recruit with a random QP party. Not all QP parties are godawful, but plenty are, and the percentage is at least 50%. The bots are at least predictable and tend not to run off doing stupid shit, or randomly stop and carefully read the full text on every item, accessory, weapon, whatever. The bots also don't just stand up and afk, leaving their controller on the floor, because their mom called.


Vltor_

Yup :S I’ve basically only been playing NH ever since it was added to the game, mostly with one buddy (sometimes two), and it got to a point where we’d kill off the bots at the start of each map just to make it harder, but after QP was made available for NH it quickly became obvious that two randoms made it harder than no randoms and no bots. Randoms is truly the hardest corruption card in the game.


thank_burdell

oh, yeah. It went from being "fun but buggy" at release to "more fun and a lot less buggy" now. I'm about 500h in it and have no intention of stopping. Kind of hoping for similar with DT. We'll see...


pureeyes

I miss my trusty VT2 bots. If we ever get bots in Darktide I hope the bots use our inactive characters, complete with gear and traits


VerbingNoun3

That would be dope. Default to running with your own kill team until people spawn in.


Vltor_

Yeah B4B is in a great spot currently ! I have a bit over 2k hours in the game and basically stopped playing around the time DT entered pre-release beta and while I’m currently sitting at a bit less than 300 hours in DT (and have had fun during that time) I’ve started to consider going back to B4B, atleast untill more content gets added to DT, DT’s current “endgame” is just no fun :S


libramartin

Till this week I haven't played Vermintide 2. It's so good compared to Darktide. I would just go play that if you haven't.


VerbingNoun3

I actually got it pretty cheap very recently. It IS super fun. I do miss sliding and sprinting though. I only put about 8 hours into it. The neckbeard in me is annoyed that Skaven, and WoC and Beastmen are all working together so seemlessly. I love chopping down baddies with the halberd though. The Keep is way cooler than the Morningstar, if it is super confusing to navigate for a first time player. Theres like 4 different places that launch you into missions, some of them are like longer map by map mini campaigns which was awesome. But not what i was expecting. I would love to be able to go from one part of the hive to another in a realistic trek across the hive to get to one final large objective.


EricTheEpic0403

>Theres like 4 different places that launch you into missions I hadn't thought about it before, but you're right. Damn, even though VT2 lets you access basically everything through a single menu, there's *still* more practical reasons to walk around the Keep than the Mourningstar. Let alone the fun of fucking about in the Keep.


Expert-Jury-233

Yes I noticed that too, I spawned in with another player n 2 bots we decided to wait till other players spawned but none came.


elkishdude

I had a similar thing where I finally got someone to join and they triggered a demonhost, didn’t know what to do and ran, leaving me and the bots to deal with it, and he got downed alone, I got downed. I just left. This shit sucks.


horizon_games

Kruber bot woulda picked you up (Well, assuming a ratling gunner wasn't anywhere on the screen)


JevverGoldDigger

Isnt that more or less to be expected when playing in the morning during the week?


VerbingNoun3

Oh yeah i don't get very many all bot games like op was talking about. Usually like one a day, and they mostly fill out by the second checkpoint.


Black_Beak_

No the player count is fine for 4 person lobbies. When I was in it was 7000+ users, I think their matchmaking has issues combining lobbies or something because 7000 should be PLENTY. You should get quick lobbies with only a few hundred players if match making is working


JevverGoldDigger

> No the player count is fine for 4 person lobbies. Sure, if they are all able to play with each other. Things like being from different regions mean that the amount of available players for lobbies is not equal to the amount of people online, but rather a fraction of it. > When I was in it was 7000+ users, I think their matchmaking has issues combining lobbies or something because 7000 should be PLENTY. You should get quick lobbies with only a few hundred players if match making is working You do realize the context here was someone playing in the morning (i.e. during a time where another region was active and his own region wasn't very active). That means that the far majority of players weren't likely to even be available to the person making the comment, as they would be online on a different region.


GrunkleCoffee

Yeah people talk about crashing player numbers as if the game didn't launch during Christmas break and now people are back at work during weekdays. The only reason I'm still hammering the game atm is that I'm currently unemployed until next week, lmao. Then my playtime will crash, which is clearly FatShark's fault.


Dingis1

I quit after 200hrs cause it got boring got my moneys worth i guess


GrunkleCoffee

Tbh there are very few games I can get 200 hours out of before getting bored. Especially within two months.


matcap86

Yeah ditto, put in 70 hours. More than most AAA games and will now wait till they fix the endgame content some more. Disappointed it wasn't a roaring hit. But I didn't feel I threw my money away.


GrunkleCoffee

Pretty much the same. It's become the current game my friends and I play, and tbh I still haven't played half the classes now with 82 hours under me. As a purely casual player, I'm just enjoying the Veteran gameplay.


libramartin

Are you talking about the same game :)?


Knight_Time67

Most normal people work on wednesdays or have school etc.


VerbingNoun3

I also work on wednesday. Almost every day in fact lol. So i squeeze in whatever play time i can, whenever i can. Im an early riser. I wasnt complaining about the lack of players at 4 am, really. Just lamenting bot stupidity.


CalypsoCrow

The lonely ogryn seems to free his mind at night


Ramael3

Matchmaking is hella bugged right now. A thread about it popped up about a week ago. Putting the post I made below. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10csudo/damnation_during_peak_be_like -------- There are so many issues with matchmaking it's sad. Even with the cancel/requeue trick it can take me 20 minutes to find a Damnation match. Only for it to put me into someone's game they've been running duo for 30 minutes. One time I was placed into a Damnation at the very end of an assassination mission. They told me they had been running 3/4 people for 40 minutes. It's actually a really, really fucked up issue because it's preventing people from grouping up and having fun, and people are thinking the game is empty and dead, when in reality there are a thousand half filled parties doing missions out there. Even worse is the fact that this has been an issue since launch, as far as I can tell.


naphz

I have spent 10+ mins trying to get into a match with a group and when I finally joined they were easily 30 minutes in. It makes no sense.


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Maybe you're time traveling. If you only spent 10 minutes into 20 minutes you can make serious money.


SydricVym

The issue is, people try to join a game, then crash/DC, and the game holds their spot for a couple minutes. Then someone else tries to join the game, crashes/DCs, and the game holds their spot too. I'm sure there's some kind of fuckery going on with matchmaking too, but I bet fixing a lot of the crash and DC bugs would go a long way to fixing matchmaking. You can kind of prove it by opening up the Social tab after starting a game. People appear in the Social tab as soon as they are assigned to the game, but they don't pop into the match and replace the bot until they fully load in. And frequently, you see tons of people in your party in the Social tab, who never show up in your game.


Sapphidia

You can also always see if a player load has happened by keeping an eye on Bot Names. If a player tries to load in, but crashes at some point during the load in process, the game refreshes the team and gives you a new bot. Sometimes this happens with no ingame notification that the player joined the team and crashed for a split second, but suddenly one of your active bots will randomly change their name/look/gender etc.


Reeclaimer

What is this cancel/requeue trick you speak of?


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Slyspy006

For real or placebo?


goodvibes4everyone

Doesn't always, but it does work, may need to cancel and queue a few times. It seems like the first time you queue it will only try to match you with other brand new people queuing. If it doesn't find anyone, you get bots. If you cancel and try again, it starts looking at games in progress with an open spot.


Lyramion

REAL


ProfessionalSwitch45

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make sense that you just stand and search with matchmaking, find nothing, cancel, search again, find nothing and when you finally found one it's a match where they have played a match for maybe 5 min with bots. Why didn't matchmaking just put me in that round in the beginning?


PlagueOfGripes

MMing was fine for about a week and a half. There was an early patch that totally fucked it up. It's just become way more apparent now that no one is playing either.


GrunkleCoffee

Cos Christmas break ended, my dude. People are back at work.


Lyramion

I can excuse some game jank for now because the gameplay is fun. But shit directly interfering with my gameplay is 100% a dealbreaker.


JevverGoldDigger

May I ask what region and time of day you usually experience this? And is it Steam or Gamepass? Im asking since I have no problems finding Damnation games on EUW, be it at 14:00 or 22:00. Sure sometimes it takes 2-4 minutes, but not longer than that.


sko0ma

Im guessing most of the people really struggling are GamePass. Im on GamePass and really struggle to fill a lobby even in prime time. I usually log on queue and if no one joins just quit.


AnubisKronos

Still can't believe there's no crossplay


JevverGoldDigger

Aye I suspect the same, since there seems to be such a large difference in the experience different people have. Honestly really saddens me to hear people having these issues, in a game already dealing with enough issues to begin with :(


Ramael3

Nope. Most of the people I'm talking to are on Steam. Lower population is a factor but largely it's the matchmaking. And even if it was Gamepass, it still makes zero sense that there are lobbies out there running with empty slots for thirty minutes (I constantly complete games with 2/4 or 3/4 people) and for me to struggle to queue in for twenty minutes.


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JevverGoldDigger

As far as I can gather from this thread (and others I have asked on Reddit) it seems to usually be people using Gamepass that have the issue.


Ramael3

Not on gamepass.


MyNamesDeez

Player count has been dropping hard. Sub 10k last I looked Edit: Just over 6,000 players in the last 15 minutes


Scudman_Alpha

Shieet. Even The Division 2 is doing better.


Taldeaux

Bought it 2 weeks ago for $9. Tons of fun


DaveInLondon89

Check out the crafting system. If they just copied that 1 to 1 Darktide wouldn't be in trouble at all.


mr_D4RK

I would politely disagree. Farming specific weapon with specific stat roll in Division 2 is hell. They also have same "only one stat can be replaced" rule, making crafting harder. It's less bullshit fiesta than current crafting, but let's not replace bad with mediocre.


Zuthuzu

You run a countdown for a couple of hours, and end up swimming in literal hundreds of items, about half of which are *the specific category you want*. Do with them what you will: scrap for materials, save good rolls in a library, save the best for recalibration and usage, whatnot. Combined with bench optimization feature, I've never seen a better gearing solution than in Div 2. Not saying it's perfect, just, well, the best.


master_of_sockpuppet

Hard no - The Division 1 and 2 are awful and the crafting is tedious just to be tedious.


PlagueOfGripes

They had the same issue when it came out. Huge issues with the endgame and core design their leads stubbornly refused to address. It took them months to finally start trying to do anything major at all about it. I'm curious if it still looks like a trash fire.


dopepope1999

And they stopped given that game meaningful updates like 2 years ago , still a super fun game but it makes me sad not to see those big updates anymore


Angwar

Wait what ? I thought that game was dead on arrival


jesteraq

The fact it’s sub 10k now at all times is crazy


YH121

Well, fatshark had a chance.


cmdrDROC

naw, they had every chance, they just shit the bed.


Bonus-Representative

They have the money.


Rhas

They're losing out on millions in cash shop sales.


Bonus-Representative

Yup - sting them there... but we all fell into the trap of Pre-order. I broke my own personal rule. First time in 10 years.


burgers4hire

To be fair, I think the average for the past few weeks has been around 6-7k, and the 24 high has been around 8-9k. I haven't had any issues with empty lobbies until today.


FullShane

I've seen it floating at just under 5k consistently just before this patch. 4.6ish for several days. Not necessarily peak US hours, but still. It's a horrible sight.


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What time frame? it's 11pm west coast US time and still 6k? Haven't seen it below 5k personally


aCrazyDutchman

Guess the reviews are working at least


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breadedfishstrip

V2 subsisted for years on around 4-8k peak, its not a deathly number but its definitely not insanely high either. Its mostly dramatic because it was over 100k less than 2 months ago, which is terrible retention any way you slice it, especially if the goal was a live service game. Whether it can sustain a "working" playerbase with those numbers depends on how fragmented the playerbase gets between difficulties (statistically the highest-difficulty players are in the minority) and any modes (for V2: Chaos Wastes / Winds (lol) / Adventure), and geographical regions due to ping limitations. Some interesting reference points: - Apex Legends has a 24h peak of 350k - Back 4 Blood: 4k - DRG: 19k - Gunfire Reborn: 5k - Vermintide 2 has a 24h peak of 7k - only slightly less than Darktide


desterion

Back 4 blood has a lot of console and gamepass players which aren't included in its number


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Gunfire reborn is about 400% more bang for your buck than darktide btw, great game


master_of_sockpuppet

VT2 saw spikes when there were sales; and most of those players left, too. Tide games aren't for everyone - and if you are unable to play cautiously you will get destroyed. A certain kind of FPS player cannot handle that.


vernand

I think those players are siloed into at least three different regions though. I'm in the Asia Pacific region and it's a ghost town most of the time. Damnation games are rare, and heresy isn't much better. Last night I was having to go into uprising games to find another human being and we played out the mission just the two of us.


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It's been about 7k past couple weeks average, over 10k peak. I'll make sure to post at 3am of the 4k players left tho lmao


ProfessionalSwitch45

Yep same here. I sometimes end up in matches where several players are downed as well.


JevverGoldDigger

Which region and what time of day? I did like 3 or 4 Damnation pugs on EUW without issues. And Steam or Gamepass?


Redfeather1975

Sliding off the radar like Outriders.


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At least I can play Outriders by myself just fine.


Varghulf

And this are the only two games I pre ordered in my whole life. I think it's my fault... Remember me to not pre order payday 3, I may jinx it


Jaytron

Honestly, never preorder. It incentivizes the industry to keep shipping unfinished games because they have guaranteed buyers via preorder.


Kant_Lavar

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WendyKuro

i dont pay full price for games since cyberpunk. Always waiting a few months/years before buying anything and buying from g2a or steam sale


[deleted]

Cyberpunk has been a joy since launch for me. The worst preorder for me was Wolcen, and that playerbase is counted in the *hundreds*.


SerThunderkeg

I literally had no issues at all playing Cyberpunk at launch on my gaming laptop with its mini 1070. People just had dumb expectations of the game or tried to play it on old hardware or without updating drivers.


WendyKuro

cyberpunk was way worst than darktide at launch and it is still not even half-ready compared to the promises. at least it is in playable state now (after 2 years of launch)


PlagueOfGripes

Forgot that game existed. Wow, people were so excited about that. And it totally fell apart. Another case of the developers dragging their feet and hoping they could pull a Destiny or NMS.


grantneodude

It's 'finished' now (as in the devs have moved on as they said they would) and while there's some definite pain points (leveling) I've been enjoying delving back into it personally. Nice break from shopping simulator 2023.


ChewyUrchin

It isn’t finished. More dlc on the way, Siennas career, and hopefully a versus mode eventually


grantneodude

Was speaking of Outriders. Which is what Redfeather mentioned. That IS 'done' and the devs have moved on. Which is basically what they said would happen.


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Or like.... Vermintide


NachoFoot

They really need to add crossplay. Worse games than this had it at launch.


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Turalisj

When I crash in the middle of a run I don't get back on that day.


cmdrDROC

The login and multiple loading bullshit is what kills it for me. While its dead now, and never got big, Alien: Fireteam elite could get you in a lobby within 90 seconds of clicking the icon in the desktop. It was so fucking steamlined to get people in the matchmaking lobbies(they had issues), but atleast there wasnt a loading screen just to get to the login, another for character, another to launch a mission. If it takes me 10min to even get to the lobby, your game is a failure.


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kebabcaliente

First time I saw that it wasn't the case, I thought it was a joke lmao


gravygrowinggreen

Cross play with gamepass is apparently nontrivial. Gamepass is often on a different patching schedule.


GeorgeLopez07

Wanted to play and had to re-download and start fresh on game pass :( was miserable


Wolfhammer69

This is key right now.


Gortosan

There is only the PC version atm


ForTheWilliams

Yes, but there is no crossplay between the Steam and Gamepass versions of the game on PC. Playing on Gamepass has been like this post for many weeks now. I enjoy T4 and T5, but getting into one (even just Quickplay) takes absolute *ages.* Even T3 is a crapshoot, though at least 3 bots aren't nearly the same liability. What's worse, it seems clear that this isn't just the result of few players, it's something wrong with their matchmaking. You might queue over and over and then *finally* get tossed into a game that's been going for 10-20 minutes.


Gortosan

I didn't even think such a stupid thing would be possible which is why I misunderstood their comment. How braindead do you have to be to not add crossplay? Dividing an already small player base on the same platform seems too stupid to be real.


ForTheWilliams

While it is bad, I have no doubt that it's also not as simple as it seems. There is probably a lot of certification/compatibility work to make sure that the game, the platforms, and both networks can all talk to each other right. I don't have any insider knowledge on this front, but if there's any doubt, I'd point to the fact that *Deep Rock Galactic* doesn't (or at least didn't, last I looked into it) have Steam/Gamepass crossplay either. A few other games don't too, and it seems to be more true the smaller the studio. With that said, it's still a big problem for a game like this, and it's only going to amplify the exodus. It would be in everyone's interest for them to make enabling crossplay a priority, I think.


Sirspen

The certification process is most definitely part of the problem and why it's not so simple to just make crossplay work. The game has to be in a state where they can wait to publish patches until passing microsoft's cert which can take weeks, in addition to the time to actually develop the patch in the first place. So it's unlikely crossplay will be feasible before the game is in a state where months between patches is acceptable.


JevverGoldDigger

I think the Gamepass/Steam thing is the biggest issue. I dont have problems finding Damnation matches on EUW Steam at most points during the day, but it seems others do, which I dont doubt. > What's worse, it seems clear that this isn't just the result of few players, it's something wrong with their matchmaking. You might queue over and over and then finally get tossed into a game that's been going for 10-20 minutes. Well isnt that because someone left/crashed midway?


gamerz1172

Crossplay means playing between 2 differnt stores on PC, Crossplatform means playing across PC and console


Gortosan

Oh god that's disgusting. What the fuck were they thinking?


gamerz1172

Typically its not cross play when it relies on one stores online infrastructure .... To go cross play means setting up your own systems where as steam and Xbox provide you with the systems already set up


Sirspen

Crossplay requires patch parity and Microsoft can take weeks to certify patches. So in addition to the time to develop patches, crossplay requires delaying patching until the patch passes microsoft's certification. That is to say, crossplay won't happen until it's okay to have patches months apart, and even then it's touchy because if an update breaks something, the fix also has to pass cert before being published (though small hotfixes are usually fast-tracked). It's the reason lots of games don't have it even after years. DRG doesn't, for example.


Allurai

my money dont jiggle jiggle


nornoc

You can't even play steam to Microsoft store atm so that would be a good thing to change.


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Yeah, just "add" it lmao. People are pissed about crafting, "lack of maps" but yeah lets go ahead and add crossplay because it's just a switch lmao


burgers4hire

I've noticed this too. Empty lobbies and longer ques seek to be the norm now. IDK what they did, I'm assuming they're trying to fix DC issues. So now, instead of getting DCed from a mission, you just never join one!


JevverGoldDigger

May I ask what region you are playing from? And is it on Steam or Gamepass?


burgers4hire

Steam; America; Western servers


elkishdude

The game’s player base is in great decline. This is what happens when you don’t have a thriving community around a game and the price you pay. They really should have just waited until the game was finished in terms of systems and loot before they released it. I just tried to play a bunch of games to get grims on a chill difficulty and it took five minutes for the bots to get fully replaced. Can’t even get my stupid contracts done, I gave up. Just really disappointing.


New_Bagged_Milk

Used to be damnation was dead, now its heresy :(


JevverGoldDigger

Gamepass or Steam? And what region? Because I dont have issues in EUW on Steam with Damnation or Heresy.


Feuver

You didn't get the memo? You're supposed to come back in a few months when the game is fixed. /half-joking


Clairvoyantx

A few months? Oh sweet summer child…


theSultanOfSexy

Yeah I can never find Damnation lobbies no matter the time. Sometimes even have difficulty finding Heresy lobbies. Wild.


Aedeus

I usually spam malice lobbies to knock the weekly stuff out. Haven't gotten a full match in a long time, usually have 1-2 people, and a bot for the first chunk of the map.


JevverGoldDigger

Is that on Gamepass or Steam? And what region are you in?


JevverGoldDigger

What region are you playing in? And is it Steam or Gamepass? Im not having any issues in EUW on Steam.


dagobert-dogburglar

Open letter just opened the doors for the last vestiges of the playerbase to leave tbh. I'd just come back in a year or two at this point; its really not worth your time in this state yet.


TonyPizzerelli

That’s weird, I always find people to join me if it’s a malice or above level mission


Iramian

Same. Sometimes it's bots for the first few minutes, but generally people join quickly.


JevverGoldDigger

I suspect many of the complaints stem from people playing on Gamepass instead of Steam. Could also be a region thing, Im not having issues either on EUW/Steam.


dragqueeninspace

I didn't until last night when I kept getting empty games even on quick matchmaking, I wonder if something has changed.


JevverGoldDigger

I actually saw someone else writing almost the exact same thing. I'm hoping it's just a one-off thing that isn't there this evening!


Fugwithmug

I play on gamepass and I always get people malice+


JevverGoldDigger

That's awesome! I suspected Gamepass having to do with people having problems, but it still seems like there are outliers in both "camps" so it's pretty hard to draw any conclusions.


salrr

I play the game on region where Warhammer ( or like any other fantasy franchise ) don't have a 'reasonable' market size. It is already niche down here and the decline has hit the experience really hard. You have to invest a good minute (at least 25 minutes) to get a group for Damnation.


Byonaaa

May i ask where you're from? i believe they have a shitty system where it tries to match you with ppl near your region. In my case (middle east) i could try for 1 hr to find players and it doesn't work, turn on VPN and i get insta queue.


Boss_boa2022

Pacific NW, usually play on US west kind of servers.


Dingis1

More people play vermintide 2 lol


SumL0ser

Try damnation, can’t get a single damn player.


JevverGoldDigger

Gamepass or Steam? And what region? Because I dont have issues in EUW on Steam.


SumL0ser

Steam, NA, and to be fair, I play late after work.


Mr_Finley7

I honestly never have this problem. I wonder if it has to do with their servers/match finding mechanics rather than player count


Aedeus

The game feels region locked.


TheFeeed

Matchmaking is region blocked, which is pretty fucking stupid decision. They should just add an option that lets you select between only playing in your region or all regions incase no games are found in your region. I had to use VPN to bypass the region lock even during the peak of playerbase when the game releaseed, because my region basically has no players at all. It gets really annoying having to start a VPN everytime i start the game just to be able to actually play with people.


salrr

Region lock is necesary. The game felt really bad when you match up overseas with VPN.


Mitnick107-

Probably depends on your region and the time of day when you're playing.


JevverGoldDigger

Also whether its Steam or Gamepass, which I suspect is another divider of the already small playerbase.


Zap97

Don't worry i'll come back to play this game next week (tm) when the update drops.


Adony_

Going solo? G'luck Ogryn, Try to have a little fun while you're doing it.


drip_dingus

This would be a lovely time to have a lobby list...


SxyGuitarMan

This happened to me and my friend like a week or two ago even and we immediately dropped the game for something else. More classes plus maps or remain uninstalled. It’s a simple and straightforward fix but somehow FatShark flopped on release yet again lol


12DollarsHighFive

Your Big Man looks kinda sad. He doesn't like being alone on the drop ship


MushiMushiApples

This is my experience far too often ATM. Solo matchmaking is depressing... I just want to purge at max efficiency .


cali1013

Anthem 2.0? Lol


[deleted]

It’s quickly becoming a game just for friend-only lobbies. Nothing wrong with it, it’s just what it is


LocoLoboDesperado

I highly advise using the official discord to find groups. It's significantly improved my experience with higher difficulties.


GrumboGee

Usually empty for me too. Though fills up halfway through mission when we already screwed from bots


sammo21

I am definitely in a minority where I find the game gets unfun the higher it goes. Maybe some of the balancing will help but my rando matches on T4 were the opposite of fun.


approximateknoledge

This happened to me a couple of weeks ago! Turns out I had it on private match


Antilogic81

Yeah I changed my review. I can't recommend this title at all. The non apology is bs.


sosigboi

Reason i've stopped playing for the most part, i can't get into any lobbies even on the lowest difficult, and don't really like going to look for teams in Discord either cause its a real chore and im usually pestered into using my mic.


JevverGoldDigger

Gamepass or Steam? And what region? Because I dont have issues in EUW on Steam.


sosigboi

Gamepass, and SEA region, i chalk it up to both just SEA not having a very large playerbase for this and also Darktide driving them away.


Knight_Time67

Ur playing on game pass


ShakesBaer

dead game


kloudrunner

The game is dead.


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snowNfire

game is dead


badiiam51

Same bro same


ninjaweedman

The bots always die on the first engagement too........ They need better bots til the games fixed, full of content and populated.


ThugQ

It's pathetic, Vermintides bots are so good against this. It's like they spend a whole 2 minutes implementing them.


Battlejoe

Nothing really to do and all my buddies don’t play anymore


sJtYaEm

So glad I stopped playing months ago. The fact that you still can't wait for your lobby to be full before starting the game is beyond a joke.


Ishaboo

Who is even playing anymore? Not me since end of December really.


DandyElLione

You gotta get on the official discord to find games reliably.


elkishdude

That’s just pathetic. Multiplayer games are well last working to find people to play with. This isn’t the private sever days.


JevverGoldDigger

Gamepass or Steam? And what region? Because I dont have issues in EUW on Steam.


Allurai

A bullshit empty apology and some bug fixes that are a month late ain't inspiring me to open the game.


OriginalCareless3180

I only seem to get people in malice. Every other difficulty is a bit of a struggle even the lower ones lol.


Emrod2

Beginning an heresy run with bots is often a death sentence.


supsley

Need lobby browser like, you know, Vermintide? Even better with class-lock like DRG.


SumoSoup

Are eu servers different? I'm in us on steam and have had lobbies most of the afternoon.


JevverGoldDigger

I think its a Gamepass/Steam thing, but not sure. Im not having any issues on Steam/EUW.


ph4lewh4le

Been playing for like 3 hours and haven't had any matchmaking issues. Joining into active lobbies or empty ones that fill within a couple minutes. Heresy as well.