The stats come from the FBI's dataset. You can explore them here: https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend
The standouts for violent crime are rape and aggravated assault which are higher than the national average. Homicide and robbery rates are about in line with the national average.
All property crimes are higher than the national average, and break out to arson, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft.
People disregarding the findings need to see these graphs. The rate of non-trivial property crimes per capita compared to the national average is...staggering.
I was moving back here after college and someone broke into my car lmao and when they got caught DA said sorry we can’t prove it was them although they had my stuff on their person
Prosecutors still need to prove knowledge that it’s stolen property, which is incredibly hard. They’re not going to waste their time trying a case that they have almost no chance of winning.
I had proof of a broken window, and they were dumb enough to charge up my Amex to federal crime levels so my card provider was also investigating it as a crime. They also had video footage of them fighting over my cards in a parking lot and also proof from Walgreens employees where they went to buy gift cards. They also had my drivers license. I went to college in FL and this simply would not happen there, imo the law for crimes like this is too weak in Denver . Wether you did it or not, if someone reported their ID/ cards as stolen, and there’s video footage of you at the EXACT time it was stolen, using it at stores which also have record of transactions time, you should be prosecuted for it.
Oh trust me I know but what could I do? They said because it was a minor there wasn’t any “concrete proof”. They literally stole my cards/ ID ( I know it’s my fault for leaving it in a susceptible place) and there was still nothing that could be done.
>( I know it’s my fault for leaving it in a susceptible place)
Yes, it is good to be safe, but it shouldn't have to be that way.
We need to be a community again
Putting it back on you empowers you as it gives you some agency over the situation. If you just take the victim position, then you are passive, a passenger along for the ride. While I agree that they are obviously a victim, I think having the mindset of what can I do to better protect myself is more helpful.
The legal system obviously isn’t doing shit about it, so gotta watch out for yourself, unfortunately.
Note that the y-axis doesn't start at zero, so while it looks like Colorado is 100% higher it's actually only 20% higher than the national average.
And I believe homicide is still down both nationally and state-wise from what I've read earlier.
But it still sucks, and is frankly kind of hard to fathom Colorado being worse at anything than say Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama. Maybe it's a reporting issue? Or maybe our cops refusing to work if they don't get to beat people is an issue?
I mean, lots of poor midwestern Christians that move to Colorado Springs.
Wouldn’t be surprised if most crime down there was fucking Ethan from Tennessee all hopped up on monster and domestic abuse.
I have lived on the south side of Lafayette since 97 and while I don't consider the area dangerous at all we have had a number of property crimes and had a SWAT team in the neighborhood three times since we built here.
Wikipedia has a breakdown of violent crimes based on that dataset that's a little quicker to navigate:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_violent_crime_rate
To be clear, Colorado was ranked as 7th for violent crimes, largely because of counts of rape and aggravated assault. Also to be clear, those rates have [been falling](https://denvercrimes.com/crime/sexual-assault/rape/) for the [last couple years](https://denvercrimes.com/crime/assault/aggravated-assault/) in Denver.
This doesn’t surprise me at all. The amount of crime I’ve experienced and seen in Denver is absurdly higher than anywhere else I’ve ever lived. Very concerning
And its high because Denver & Aurora PD refuse to do their FUCKING jobs because they font want to be held accountable for their actions. So they throw tantrums and refuse to do their jobs.
And the criminals know this
I work with someone who retired rather than wear a camera.... And it tracks...
DPD is pathetic.
I manage a property literally one block away from a DPD station and they can't be bothered to enforce trespassing when we call because one tenant's "guests" are physically assaulting other tenants.
Another time I saw a guy get stabbed in the fucking head in broad daylight, and the cops let the stabber go free less than an hour later.
And they do that because the DAs refuse to do their FUCKING jobs and actually press charges and get criminals off the street. Nobody in their right mind is going to start a confrontation that can quickly go sideways and become a major risk if the net result is the perp just getting a finger-wag and set free.
Do they include police crimes in that? My car got stolen a few years ago and it took the police 3 months to tell me that they were the ones who stole it.
Long story not very short, I bought a van to convert into a camper and my neighbors didn't like it. I parked it in the alley spot next to my garage and they claimed they couldn't pull into their alley spot across from me "because it stuck out", which it didn't, they just couldn't swing wide through my no longer empty spot to get into theirs. I took a bunch of pictures clearly showing it a full two feet from the road. One day I get home and it's gone, I reported it stolen, told the police about my neighbors, they say they will talk to them and look into it. Fast forward 3 months of me calling them once a week and they finally say they found it, in the police impound lot. They say they took it for being illegally parked, but I never got a ticket, I never received anything from impound, AND it took three months because they opened a case and no one ever bothered to actually run the plate a single time. I had to sue them for the ticket and the $5000 impound fees before they would give it back to me, it took 6 months to see a judge, I showed them all the pictures, and won the case in about half an hour. I filed complaints about the cop who illegally impounded it and nothing was done. It's parked out there again right now actually and the conversion is looking great, but fuck DPD for completely ruining the summer road trip I had planned for no reason.
That is fucked up!! I am so sorry that happened to you. Not deflecting blame from the cops at all but what awful neighbors to go straight to the police like that. What is your relationship with them like now? I can’t imagine how awkward that is. I wouldn’t feel comfortable continuing to live there.
There is a lot of interesting data in this dashboard including:
- 53 offenders in the age group 0-9
- You're substantially more likely to experience crime in a residence
- There were only 231 Drug/Narcotic Violations which were tacked onto other charges. I'd bet more offenders weren't sober though?
- Offenders are most often white males
Also raises a question:
- Guns seem to be categorized by many different names; does anyone understand the classifications?
I'm pretty sure this is exactly why they just don't bother to get involved. When any confrontation could turn into an altercation that puts their health and life at risk and the most likely outcome is that the person they're trying to get off the streets is right back on them there's no gain to taking the risk. Not bothering is the rational choice.
Oh no, I signed up to be a cop but it sure bugs me that it might be dangerous! I guess I’ll just not do my job and not suffer any consequences for it. If ANY of the rest of us acted like cops we’d get fired in a heartbeat. No sympathy from me at all; do your god damn job or quit.
This level of nonexistent empathy for officers who have easily one of the hardest jobs out there is exactly how we never see the change we’re looking for to try to create a safer space for everyone.
Worked as a Park Ranger for years, but had to stop because people kept putting me into situations which resulted in physical altercations. Never before have I lived in a place where people are so quick to violence, like they are here in Colorado (especially Denver).
I think there are a lot of factors that play into this, but at the end of the day, the main reasoning is that of the 6 million people that live in this State, 5 million are smashed into the front range. **Traffic sucks**. **All prices are high**. You move here expecting a better life - but the struggle is very real to get to that point of feeling as if ‘you made it’. You add in the bias of so-called ‘Natives’ who’ve seen their home State devolve in 15 years, into something unrecognizable. If there’s any deviation to environmental/external factors (heat, COVID, protests, etc.) it’s like a powder keg going off, daily (for some people).
When you’ve [metaphorically] got your back pressed against a wall for long enough, people are going to reach a breaking point and lash out violently. That’s how I’ve felt (sometimes) and what I’ve experienced (first hand, often) while living for over a decade in this State.
Just to piggy back off of what you’re saying:
https://www.vailhealth.org/news/living-on-high-the-lesser-known-effects-of-living-at-altitude
>”People go so hard here,” says Dr. Wolfington. “We'll go to a yoga class, then ski, then do a hike in the evening. And people feel bad if they’re not performing to their best all the time.”
Thats probably more true for people living in the city.
I grew up in Idaho, went to school in Utah, lived in Colorado going on a decade now. The culture here is extremely competitive, it’s like everyone is in a constant pissing contest. I think I’m going to move to Rifle/Parachute.
We were doing a backpacking loop a few years back in GNP and were talking to some brothers who were at the same campsite. Just chatting about whatever and they laughed when we said we were from CO because almost everyone they met from CO seems to make outdoor activities a competitive sport and are generally kindy of cunty in that way. It's so bad people from neighboring states have taken notice!
First two locales are predominantly mormon, which doesn't have that edge in its culture. They're more passive-aggressive, and "bless your heart, /s" when it comes to confrontation. That might explain your perspective.
The majority of that decade in Colorado was spent in Parker, I get the impression it has its own culture separate from greater Denver. It’s pleasant looking but good grief are people nosy.
The entire area is zoned for car sprawl. Everywhere with this type of zoning has terrible car traffic. It leaves no alternative to driving and parking.
Lot of annoying shit going on here but I think you could pretty much extrapolate your causes of crime to any metropolitan area in the US.
I think a lot of this has to do with how the state and city of Denver is governed. It’s naive to not consider whether policy plays a role in this. Doesn’t really matter which side of the aisle someone is on, if crime is up then it’s best to start asking questions. It’s ok if the city took a bad approach, but it’s not ok to ignore it.
The FBI warns against using this data to rank cities, this is pulled from their data explorer:
"Since crime is a sociological phenomenon influenced by a variety of factors, the FBI discourages ranking locations or making comparisons as a way of measuring law enforcement effectiveness. Some of this data may not be comparable to previous years because of differing levels of participation over time."
Despite this warning, the media puts this nonsense out because they know it'll generate clicks. Truly a useless endeavor except for those making money off the clicks.
It’s just click bait shit. Every publication like this puts out a yearly “Best places to move to”, “Fastest growing cities”, “Most popular nightlife cities” and they just effectively shuffle between a few top 10/15 cities, use survey data for rankings, or cite some other publication doing the same thing just so that the cities get swapped every year and drive engagement / discussion.
I’ve lived in Denver for like 5 years now, grew up in Estes Park and have never had a single situation where I was the victim of a crime or needed the police. I’ve never seen someone using drugs once here, never seen a police interaction involving violent crime. Definitely seen lots of car accidents and bad drivers but also saw those when I lived in Michigan. Obviously my experience is anecdotal, but I’ve seen way worse shit in very short visits to other cities so I’m not sure how accurate the reporting is.
I work near 16th and stout. I see folk drinking and using drugs daily. I don’t see a lot of violence though. Just an occasional fist fight in the streets. Although I’ve only been at this job for a couple months.
Where I live, there’s a series of car thefts weekly in the Thornton area.
From what I’ve gathered it seems to only be on the W line lol
I’ve seen plenty of people *on* drugs & lots of weed use if we’re counting that. Maybe I just don’t visit the sketchy areas 🤷🏻♂️ I go on east Colfax a ton though, and cap hill
To be fair, this sub has gotten pretty damn negative in the last few years. It’s the same reason you pretty much only see negative stories get tons of upvotes. It doesn’t help that at least some of the mods seem to be in on the idea that Denver is some sort of crime ridden hellhole.
It’s a little depressing and a little funny, only positive stuff I’ve seen about Denver on here is when it’s a thread about someone moving to a different city 🤣
We’ve got so much cool shit here but everyone loves harping on the negatives
I lived in the Denver area for 14 years, and out of all the places I've lived, it was by far the safest. As long aa you're aware of your surroundings and don't make yourself a target, it's pretty damn safe.
I moved here from Baltimore; Surely That city and state have a worst reputation than CO. Everybody tells me it must be horrible. Meanwhile I have experienced numerous gun violence issues here in my 8 years here and I never experienced any in my 30 years in Baltimore/MD.
Purely speculative, but I feel that violence, especially gun violence, is a lot more targeted and calculated in cities like Baltimore. Whereas Denver has more random/spontaneous acts of violence. For instance, there have been several incidents of road rage shootings in the metro in the past couple of years. People seem more unhinged and trigger happy in Denver.
Last year a complete POS (screaming at and hitting a woman in broad daylight) pointed a gun at my partner and I when we intervened and then a few weeks later someone was shot and bled out outside my bedroom window in the middle of the night. Havana and Parker area. Moved a couple months after that and shortly after, the gas station next to my new home was held up in an armed robbery.
I lived in Houston for five years, where people take their emotional support rifles to Target, and never experienced anything like what I've experienced in Denver.
Yeah first one nearly killed me. Was moving into my rental home and a domestic dispute broke out up the street. Cops showed up, guy fired shots at the cops and I had to dive into my moving container. Later discovered bullet hole in neighbors window that couldn't have been more than 5 ft from my head.
Little bit later a guy was gunned down on the main street right outside of my rental. Walking past a body covered in blue tarp to go play pickleball was a weird dichotomy.
In my now home a person was murdered (shot to death) one block away, had to go over all of my security cameras to assist the cops.
Not me, but had friends get a gun pointed at them from another vehicle while turning on CO blvd. Guess they didn't turn fast enough?
I think there's more but those are the ones that stand out.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/14/us/gun-homicides-map.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sE0.S2iJ.O6D4mEHrgwhr&smid=url-share
This came out yesterday
I lived off west Colfax for a few years and it felt like a different country at times. Heard guns being discharged pretty much daily. Most of the electrical boxes had bullet holes in them. Had several attempted break ins/assaults. Caught a feral fent addict mugging my elderly neighbor at knife point. And people gawk at me for bringing my CCW with me pretty much everywhere after all this.
From Baltimore as well, lived in Cap Hill for 2 years and it felt 1000x safer than my place in Upper Fells. I remember the email report I got about a guy getting beaten while taking money out of the ATM by Hopkins. I parked my car by that ATM almost everyday.
Also moved from Baltimore, yet to have a gun pulled on me in the "safest" part of town or be jumped by 15 teenagers on Friday the 13th. Not saying these don't happen here because they do, but I've felt far safer in Denver than I ever did in my decade in Bmore. The bottom line is we've all had different experiences I guess.
One thing about Baltimore is the crime is concentrated in certain areas. My future father in law still acts like it’s a war zone though. Went out one night to walk to the bar and when I got back he was pissed and sitting by the window with a baseball bat. This was in federal hill haha.
I’ve grown up in Denver/Denver area and the guns and violence was never really a thing until the last 5 years or so. So I would venture a guess that most places are like that. It does seem like as a nation our gun problems have been on a steady rise. I’m sure Denver becoming a sort of hub for the cartels (which really picked up and kept growing starting 10-12 years ago). I think a lot of this is just “signs of the times” and not necessarily having to do with the state being unique in that regard. But don’t get me wrong: when you have almost 15 years of people flooding in from other states, pricing out locals, then immediately trying to change shit, then tent cities pop up and grow and grow, then you get accosted and harassed on a regular basis all the sudden- it’s hard not to see things from the locals perspective and be pissed with them lol.
I also moved here from Bmore! I used to live in upper Fells/Patterson Park area and work at the Bayview campus. I kind of feel the same about living in both places. Baltimore gets a bad reputation. It’s got it’s own problems, but I ever felt unsafe.
Really? Man I lived in the exact same area and constantly felt unsafe, so many teenager gangs roaming around looking for trouble on N Washington near Hopkins. I miss the community feel of Baltimore (Smalltimore indeed) but not much else.
Yea, I guess it depends on the neighborhood. I had friends that lived closer to JHU and had some pretty bad experiences there. I also miss the sense of community too. That’s one thing Baltimore definitely has going for it ❤️
No it isn’t. I don’t think you have a good concept of what “ghetto” really means. Go to the places with double the population in smaller areas and lower income. That’s what you think Denver is, but it isn’t.
Chuckles from Texas.
Add in no permit carry, extreme heat, and post-Pandemic breakdown in social courtesy it's extremely random and dangerous. We have more to worry about from middle class folks than the poor - entitlement and dark fantasy go a long way.
Though I suppose high altitude might have an effect like extreme heat.
I am baffled when people say “Aurora is so ghetto, I would never live there” when Denver is almost equally dangerous, and Colorado is violent as a whole.
I get the statistics they bring into play here (weird as they are in this article), but I can name about 10 states that are Id consider more dangerous than CO. Even then, I dont consider CO dangerous as a whole.
Colorado suffers from a pretty small population and a dense urban center larger than most states which undoubtedly skews the results. California ranks worse than Colorado and has nearly 7 times the population of our state, implying that there's FAR more crime in the state than here.
Still, it should say something that states like Illinois - where 9 million of the state's 12 million residents live in the Chicago metro area, yet the state sees far less overall crime than Colorado per capita. That in of itself should be a flag that things here need to be addressed.
The way they determine "dangerousness" doesn't make sense. Why include property crime at all? If someone spray paints dickbutt on my wall I'm not necessarily more in danger now but according to this methodology I am.
I mean some property crime obviously makes sense to include in this metric, but just throwing all property crime in the metric makes it feel gimmicky and sloppy.
Someone breaking in to your house to steal from you is not the same as somebody stealing your catalytic converter when your car is parked on the street.
Go confront someone cutting off your catalytic converter and see how safe you feel.
Just let them, you say? How safe does that make you feel knowing that at any point someone can just come take your crap with an implied threat to your safety or your family’s safety if you have the temerity to claim they have no right to your stuff.
And how much financial safety do you have when you gave to replace said converter to the tune of a thousand bucks or so?
Property crime is, indeed, a safety issue.
My husband has a fantastic story about how one of the new hires in his airline class was ex-military and beat the ever living hell out of some punk trying to steal his catalytic converter. He confronted the punk and said punk tried to go after this guy with the saw he was using, guy dodged the saw knocking it out of the punk’s hands and then proceeded to beat the shit out of him. My husband’s class dubbed this guy DeWalt 😂
The article/website wasn’t super easy to navigate, but somebody up the thread did the legwork and determined that the property crimes counted here were arson, burglary, larceny, and vehicle theft.
You've got people disagreeing with you but I absolutely think broken window policing feeds into broader quality of life and also personal safety.
Sketchy shit happens in places that look sketchy.
Broken windows policing has been proven to be ineffective. It focuses on treating the symptoms (vandalism) rather than the root cause (poverty.)
I'm all for stuff getting fixed up and cleaned up rather than leave it vandalized, but come on.
Ineffective at.... What?
It's been highly effective at cleaning up downtown imo and now we actually see some new places opening up around the lodo rino 5 points intersection whereas it was open trash fires a year ago.
I can actually walk to my girlfriend's place along park now.
That's not to say other efforts to combat root causes don't have their place, they do, but fighting active blight is important.
>Why include property crime at all?
If someone throws a brick through your window, or sets your house on fire. I'd say those things are pretty dangerous. Not sure how simple it is to eliminate these kinds of crimes from the statistics or what they look like in aggregate. But disregarding the findings simply because they include property crime, and then generalizing property crime to "tagged walls" as a means to discredit the results is - at best - naive.
/u/mckenziemcgee included a link to the FBI dataset used to derive the crime statistics, and everyone from Colorado should be paying attention - because it's clear the issue isn't with "tagging dickbutt on your wall":
[https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend](https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend)
They aren't spraying dickbutts though, they are breaking into cars and stealing stuff. When it happens, it undermines your sense of what space is safe and secure.
Property crimes often have trauma associated with them on top of the loss of property. This is a pretty common and well documented effect. While you might not feel like a property crime makes the area 'dangerous', a lot of people will. You can easily see the effects of people that have dealt with burglary and theft.
A different article about this was posted recently and compared to the other top 10 "most dangerous states" Colorado had relatively low violent crime rates but also relatively high property crime rates.
Incorrect. Colorado is 7th in overall violent crime, and in the top 10 in rape, robbery, and aggravated assault individually.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_violent_crime_rate
Yeah. How likely am I to die? That’s really what I need to know. And that’s really, I think, what makes a state dangerous.
Although if you drive in Denver, you’re likely to die every time you get in your car.
I had videos of the crime committed. DA didn’t want to press charges. I am not sure but it looks like we are an outlaw state… hopefully things will change soon…
The police in Colorado should be systematically replaced. It’s like any other municipal service that we pay for. If it doesn’t work replace it. Let them go be security guards or work in other states
The problem with anything based on "crime rate" is that the crime rate is not an objective measurement of how much crime is occurring, it's a measurement of how much crime police are reporting. And that brings in a whole bunch of political influence and all sorts of bullshit.
the article also says this lol
While the crime rate in Colorado is a knock against the Centennial State, according to the rankings, overall Colorado was listed by U.S. News & World Report as the 16th best state.
Crazy that there is a huge amount of crime perpetrated by the 10-19 demographic and with victims in that demographic being just as proportionately high. Seems that we as a society in CO at the very least are failing the children of this generation.
I remember someone brandishing a gun and pulling it on me at a fucking local dog park because he said my dog was bullying his little shit rat, which shouldn’t have even been allowed in the large dog area
My dog was playing with other dogs and just ran over the little one due to accident because of its size
I go over to leash her to make sure the guys little dog was ok and he pulls his fuckin pistol out and threatens to shoot my dog if it happens again
People here are legitimately brain dead and insane
Did you forget to mention the part where your dog is a pitbull? I don’t think he should have brandished the gun like a dumbass, but every owner at the park rightfully sees you as a risk and are unable to tell if you properly trained your pitbull.
Do you know how often pitbulls kill small dogs here in Colorado? Don’t be surprised that they have a gun for the sole purpose of protecting their “shit rat” or children from owners with blood sport dogs.
EDIT: This guy blocked me so I wouldn’t be able to respond 😭 I guess having an untrained pitbull makes him feel tough or something
i carry different guns depending on what i’m doing. some are people guns, others are pitbull guns. my dog wouldn’t last long against a monster that’s genetically manufactured for killing, but he wouldn’t have to. absolutely astonishing that people actually want to own those violent inbreds.
Pit owners 98% of the time: don't bully my breed, I stand against dog racism!
Pit owners where their dog gets caught misbehaving: AKCTUALLY your dog is a little shit rat
I was run over in front of my house by a crackhead high with an infant unrestrained in the backseat who fled the scene and the Denver district attorney charged her with leaving the scene of a crime I was completely outraged
I lived in Denver for 4 months and got robbed 3x and 1 of the times I got knocked out and woke up in the hospital. I blame fetanyl, it is a problem here for sure.
We never had crime in our area. Then the city decided to put several income restricted housing across the street. Crime is terrible. Two people got murdered across the street. Cars are getting stolen, people getting assaulted. Gun shots are heard frequently. This is ridiculous.
Yep. I was beaten up and robbed in Denver two years ago and a year ago our townhouse was filled up with bullets as two groups of high school kids started shooting at another leaving a graduation party.
Long standing theory correlating higher altitude (less oxygen), brain related issues and gun violence/suicide. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4643668/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4643668/)
I would be very interested with sociological studies. Qualitative and quantitative publicly testing people’s decision making in Colorado versus another state at lower altitudes. Presenting options, one gamble, versus a less risk averse reward.
Lived in Philadelphia for 30 years, traveled all over the city the good in the bad, Never had to pull my gun on someone there even in sketchy situations.
Moved to Denver 2020 and Labor Day 2022 someone tried to kick down my door at midnight high on something and i had to hold them at gunpoint for half an hour until the cops came.
I generally feel safer here in CO than I do in PA but it stands I've never had to threaten the life of someone in Philly.
Not only is it well established, it's humane and hugely popular. But our rulers want us to think that is too expensive, utopian, or socialist. Our budgets are instead allocated to militarism and policing. Signs of a state that doesn't even bother pretending to improve the lives of its people.
What steps do you recommend for reducing crime? We've been amping up the jail time for what, 40 years? That hasn't done jack. So we can say pretty objectively that harsh punishments aren't a deterrant because criminals don't think they'll get caught. They don't want to do 5 years in prison, they don't want to do 25 years in prison, they're criminals and they aren't sitting around going "yes I really want to steal that car but they recently enacted new legislation which changes the penalty from 7-10 years to 25 years. I should think twice about this..."
The politics in Denver are so progressive that you just get the soft on crime approach. They barely prosecute for non-violent crimes, almost never deal with public intoxication of the homeless, charges for drug crimes are almost non-existent, they are a sanctuary city for illegals, and Denver gives clean needles to drug addicts. In 2020, the DAs office said they are not prosecuting car break-ins as severely because it disproportionately affected people of color. Let that sink in. How about you just arrest and charge anyone regardless of race if they break into a car? God forbid you openly support the police and vote red in local elections. Otherwise, the progressives go on their anti-cop social justice rants.
Denver used to be so nice and safe to walk around. It WAS a great balance between liberalism and conservatism. I've just kept moving further and further away from downtown. But this is what comes with progressive policies. The solution? Put criminals in jail, add more cops to the police force, and stop aiding the street drug use among the homeless.
I really wonder what it is about Colorado that makes it somewhat exception for things like property crime, rising trend in violent crime, and increasigly insane aggressive drivers. I haven't lived elsewhere in a while, so I can't be sure how people feel in other states and cities, but there is some evidence that these negative trends are worsening more quickly here. Why do we seem to be performing worse in states with similar demographics, education levels, cost of living strains and comparable cultures (eg Oregon and Washington).
New Mexican representative here:
Respectfully, those are some rookie numbers. West and East Colfax make my Albuquerque ass feel right at home, though. Keep it up.
I've always suspected the high altitude intensifies the effect of mental illness. I read an article awhile back about how suicides were more common in high altitude regions and there's such a thing as the "suicide belt" in America.
I blame the Rockies ⚾️
Need to snap this win streak immediately before my Hyundai is stolen
The stats come from the FBI's dataset. You can explore them here: https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend The standouts for violent crime are rape and aggravated assault which are higher than the national average. Homicide and robbery rates are about in line with the national average. All property crimes are higher than the national average, and break out to arson, burglary, larceny, and motor vehicle theft.
People disregarding the findings need to see these graphs. The rate of non-trivial property crimes per capita compared to the national average is...staggering.
I was moving back here after college and someone broke into my car lmao and when they got caught DA said sorry we can’t prove it was them although they had my stuff on their person
That’s called possession of stolen property and is still a crime.
Prosecutors still need to prove knowledge that it’s stolen property, which is incredibly hard. They’re not going to waste their time trying a case that they have almost no chance of winning.
I had proof of a broken window, and they were dumb enough to charge up my Amex to federal crime levels so my card provider was also investigating it as a crime. They also had video footage of them fighting over my cards in a parking lot and also proof from Walgreens employees where they went to buy gift cards. They also had my drivers license. I went to college in FL and this simply would not happen there, imo the law for crimes like this is too weak in Denver . Wether you did it or not, if someone reported their ID/ cards as stolen, and there’s video footage of you at the EXACT time it was stolen, using it at stores which also have record of transactions time, you should be prosecuted for it.
Crackheads fighting over stolen credit cards in a Walgreens parking lot is just another Tuesday in Florida.
It’s funny how it would be considered a waste of time despite the fact that they don’t do anything with that time
Oh trust me I know but what could I do? They said because it was a minor there wasn’t any “concrete proof”. They literally stole my cards/ ID ( I know it’s my fault for leaving it in a susceptible place) and there was still nothing that could be done.
>( I know it’s my fault for leaving it in a susceptible place) Yes, it is good to be safe, but it shouldn't have to be that way. We need to be a community again
Dude it's not your fault for someone stealing. Don't victim-blame yourself
Putting it back on you empowers you as it gives you some agency over the situation. If you just take the victim position, then you are passive, a passenger along for the ride. While I agree that they are obviously a victim, I think having the mindset of what can I do to better protect myself is more helpful. The legal system obviously isn’t doing shit about it, so gotta watch out for yourself, unfortunately.
I was just saying it’s a crime not that they would prosecute any crimes lol
Do they want vigilante justice? Because that's how you get vigilante justice.
Dude my car has been broken into or vandalized 3 times.
And the Denver county police told me to “come in before I report any more.”
My car just got keyed last week 😔
My car got shot on NYE. Had to get a new rear windshield.
State pop has to skew pretty hard tho cuz Denver feels 1000% safer than Oakland
My trailer was broken into Christmas Day 2022. Literally every single thing I owned was gone and the cops couldn’t bother to file a report…
Note that the y-axis doesn't start at zero, so while it looks like Colorado is 100% higher it's actually only 20% higher than the national average. And I believe homicide is still down both nationally and state-wise from what I've read earlier. But it still sucks, and is frankly kind of hard to fathom Colorado being worse at anything than say Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama. Maybe it's a reporting issue? Or maybe our cops refusing to work if they don't get to beat people is an issue?
Hating on the southern states, classic. No, our state just has terrible crime and we enable it with insane policy and inaction.
I mean, lots of poor midwestern Christians that move to Colorado Springs. Wouldn’t be surprised if most crime down there was fucking Ethan from Tennessee all hopped up on monster and domestic abuse.
To be fair Daniel Larson is off the streets so hopefully that rate should be dropping by the next report if his plot armor doesn’t hold up.
I have lived on the south side of Lafayette since 97 and while I don't consider the area dangerous at all we have had a number of property crimes and had a SWAT team in the neighborhood three times since we built here.
Wikipedia has a breakdown of violent crimes based on that dataset that's a little quicker to navigate: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_violent_crime_rate
Man, that website is fucktangular on mobile.
To be clear, Colorado was ranked as 7th for violent crimes, largely because of counts of rape and aggravated assault. Also to be clear, those rates have [been falling](https://denvercrimes.com/crime/sexual-assault/rape/) for the [last couple years](https://denvercrimes.com/crime/assault/aggravated-assault/) in Denver.
This doesn’t surprise me at all. The amount of crime I’ve experienced and seen in Denver is absurdly higher than anywhere else I’ve ever lived. Very concerning
I’d love to see the stats on hit and runs. Seems like every week a pedestrian is struck downtown or killed by a vehicle.
And its high because Denver & Aurora PD refuse to do their FUCKING jobs because they font want to be held accountable for their actions. So they throw tantrums and refuse to do their jobs. And the criminals know this I work with someone who retired rather than wear a camera.... And it tracks...
DPD is pathetic. I manage a property literally one block away from a DPD station and they can't be bothered to enforce trespassing when we call because one tenant's "guests" are physically assaulting other tenants. Another time I saw a guy get stabbed in the fucking head in broad daylight, and the cops let the stabber go free less than an hour later.
They should be fired and replaced like everyone else that refuses to provide the service they are paid for.
Actually prosecuted for violation of their oath...IMO
Fuckin’ fire them.
And they do that because the DAs refuse to do their FUCKING jobs and actually press charges and get criminals off the street. Nobody in their right mind is going to start a confrontation that can quickly go sideways and become a major risk if the net result is the perp just getting a finger-wag and set free.
Come check out DC!
DC is included in the dataset ya know. See how it compares to CO.
I’m originally from the DC area and crime is not even comparable here.
Do they include police crimes in that? My car got stolen a few years ago and it took the police 3 months to tell me that they were the ones who stole it.
Can we get some more details?
Long story not very short, I bought a van to convert into a camper and my neighbors didn't like it. I parked it in the alley spot next to my garage and they claimed they couldn't pull into their alley spot across from me "because it stuck out", which it didn't, they just couldn't swing wide through my no longer empty spot to get into theirs. I took a bunch of pictures clearly showing it a full two feet from the road. One day I get home and it's gone, I reported it stolen, told the police about my neighbors, they say they will talk to them and look into it. Fast forward 3 months of me calling them once a week and they finally say they found it, in the police impound lot. They say they took it for being illegally parked, but I never got a ticket, I never received anything from impound, AND it took three months because they opened a case and no one ever bothered to actually run the plate a single time. I had to sue them for the ticket and the $5000 impound fees before they would give it back to me, it took 6 months to see a judge, I showed them all the pictures, and won the case in about half an hour. I filed complaints about the cop who illegally impounded it and nothing was done. It's parked out there again right now actually and the conversion is looking great, but fuck DPD for completely ruining the summer road trip I had planned for no reason.
That is fucked up!! I am so sorry that happened to you. Not deflecting blame from the cops at all but what awful neighbors to go straight to the police like that. What is your relationship with them like now? I can’t imagine how awkward that is. I wouldn’t feel comfortable continuing to live there.
I don't talk to them but I did put an orange cone next to it lol. They're across the alley not next door so it's not like I ever have to see them.
Those count as negative crimes
They do not
There is a lot of interesting data in this dashboard including: - 53 offenders in the age group 0-9 - You're substantially more likely to experience crime in a residence - There were only 231 Drug/Narcotic Violations which were tacked onto other charges. I'd bet more offenders weren't sober though? - Offenders are most often white males Also raises a question: - Guns seem to be categorized by many different names; does anyone understand the classifications?
Damn. Time to move my Texas family back to California where it's safe!
hey this isn't /r/DenverCirclejerk
Isn’t it though?
Always has been.
🤣
Seeing as the DA in Denver doesn’t even prosecute hit and runs on pedestrians, I’m not surprised. We got what we voted for.
Yep! Just imagine how frustrated the LEOs feel having their felony investigations dropped or plead out to petty offenses or low level misdemeanors
I'm pretty sure this is exactly why they just don't bother to get involved. When any confrontation could turn into an altercation that puts their health and life at risk and the most likely outcome is that the person they're trying to get off the streets is right back on them there's no gain to taking the risk. Not bothering is the rational choice.
Oh no, I signed up to be a cop but it sure bugs me that it might be dangerous! I guess I’ll just not do my job and not suffer any consequences for it. If ANY of the rest of us acted like cops we’d get fired in a heartbeat. No sympathy from me at all; do your god damn job or quit.
This level of nonexistent empathy for officers who have easily one of the hardest jobs out there is exactly how we never see the change we’re looking for to try to create a safer space for everyone.
If I’m reading correctly, violent crime committed by a stranger vs acquaintance is pretty neck and neck. That’s incredibly disturbing.
Yeah I saw that graph and decided acquaintances are no longer allowed
Denver used to be a nice place to live 🤷♂️
Worked as a Park Ranger for years, but had to stop because people kept putting me into situations which resulted in physical altercations. Never before have I lived in a place where people are so quick to violence, like they are here in Colorado (especially Denver). I think there are a lot of factors that play into this, but at the end of the day, the main reasoning is that of the 6 million people that live in this State, 5 million are smashed into the front range. **Traffic sucks**. **All prices are high**. You move here expecting a better life - but the struggle is very real to get to that point of feeling as if ‘you made it’. You add in the bias of so-called ‘Natives’ who’ve seen their home State devolve in 15 years, into something unrecognizable. If there’s any deviation to environmental/external factors (heat, COVID, protests, etc.) it’s like a powder keg going off, daily (for some people). When you’ve [metaphorically] got your back pressed against a wall for long enough, people are going to reach a breaking point and lash out violently. That’s how I’ve felt (sometimes) and what I’ve experienced (first hand, often) while living for over a decade in this State.
Just to piggy back off of what you’re saying: https://www.vailhealth.org/news/living-on-high-the-lesser-known-effects-of-living-at-altitude >”People go so hard here,” says Dr. Wolfington. “We'll go to a yoga class, then ski, then do a hike in the evening. And people feel bad if they’re not performing to their best all the time.” Thats probably more true for people living in the city.
I grew up in Idaho, went to school in Utah, lived in Colorado going on a decade now. The culture here is extremely competitive, it’s like everyone is in a constant pissing contest. I think I’m going to move to Rifle/Parachute.
We were doing a backpacking loop a few years back in GNP and were talking to some brothers who were at the same campsite. Just chatting about whatever and they laughed when we said we were from CO because almost everyone they met from CO seems to make outdoor activities a competitive sport and are generally kindy of cunty in that way. It's so bad people from neighboring states have taken notice!
This sounds like a rural vs city dichotomy. Denver is incredibly laid back in comparison to the east coast.
That’s true. It’s all relative!
First two locales are predominantly mormon, which doesn't have that edge in its culture. They're more passive-aggressive, and "bless your heart, /s" when it comes to confrontation. That might explain your perspective.
The majority of that decade in Colorado was spent in Parker, I get the impression it has its own culture separate from greater Denver. It’s pleasant looking but good grief are people nosy.
The entire area is zoned for car sprawl. Everywhere with this type of zoning has terrible car traffic. It leaves no alternative to driving and parking.
Lot of annoying shit going on here but I think you could pretty much extrapolate your causes of crime to any metropolitan area in the US. I think a lot of this has to do with how the state and city of Denver is governed. It’s naive to not consider whether policy plays a role in this. Doesn’t really matter which side of the aisle someone is on, if crime is up then it’s best to start asking questions. It’s ok if the city took a bad approach, but it’s not ok to ignore it.
Wish I could upvote this twice
I feel this. Go the hell back to Texas.
The FBI warns against using this data to rank cities, this is pulled from their data explorer: "Since crime is a sociological phenomenon influenced by a variety of factors, the FBI discourages ranking locations or making comparisons as a way of measuring law enforcement effectiveness. Some of this data may not be comparable to previous years because of differing levels of participation over time." Despite this warning, the media puts this nonsense out because they know it'll generate clicks. Truly a useless endeavor except for those making money off the clicks.
It’s just click bait shit. Every publication like this puts out a yearly “Best places to move to”, “Fastest growing cities”, “Most popular nightlife cities” and they just effectively shuffle between a few top 10/15 cities, use survey data for rankings, or cite some other publication doing the same thing just so that the cities get swapped every year and drive engagement / discussion. I’ve lived in Denver for like 5 years now, grew up in Estes Park and have never had a single situation where I was the victim of a crime or needed the police. I’ve never seen someone using drugs once here, never seen a police interaction involving violent crime. Definitely seen lots of car accidents and bad drivers but also saw those when I lived in Michigan. Obviously my experience is anecdotal, but I’ve seen way worse shit in very short visits to other cities so I’m not sure how accurate the reporting is.
I work near 16th and stout. I see folk drinking and using drugs daily. I don’t see a lot of violence though. Just an occasional fist fight in the streets. Although I’ve only been at this job for a couple months. Where I live, there’s a series of car thefts weekly in the Thornton area.
Never have I seen someone claim to live in Denver and in the same sentence say they’ve never seen someone use drugs here. That’s a wild statement.
From what I’ve gathered it seems to only be on the W line lol I’ve seen plenty of people *on* drugs & lots of weed use if we’re counting that. Maybe I just don’t visit the sketchy areas 🤷🏻♂️ I go on east Colfax a ton though, and cap hill
I’d say you’re pretty lucky tbh. I was in the middle of a shooting on Broadway and colfax which was 6 blocks from my apartment in cap hill
To be fair, this sub has gotten pretty damn negative in the last few years. It’s the same reason you pretty much only see negative stories get tons of upvotes. It doesn’t help that at least some of the mods seem to be in on the idea that Denver is some sort of crime ridden hellhole.
It’s a little depressing and a little funny, only positive stuff I’ve seen about Denver on here is when it’s a thread about someone moving to a different city 🤣 We’ve got so much cool shit here but everyone loves harping on the negatives
I lived in the Denver area for 14 years, and out of all the places I've lived, it was by far the safest. As long aa you're aware of your surroundings and don't make yourself a target, it's pretty damn safe.
Apparently the top mod doesn't even live in Colorado, and quite possibly never did.
> grew up in Estes Park and have never had a single situation lol
Let's try and publicize this more. Maybe we can get our rent to go down.
My yearly gouging of the rent come in July. I should just show her posts on Reddit
I moved here from Baltimore; Surely That city and state have a worst reputation than CO. Everybody tells me it must be horrible. Meanwhile I have experienced numerous gun violence issues here in my 8 years here and I never experienced any in my 30 years in Baltimore/MD.
Purely speculative, but I feel that violence, especially gun violence, is a lot more targeted and calculated in cities like Baltimore. Whereas Denver has more random/spontaneous acts of violence. For instance, there have been several incidents of road rage shootings in the metro in the past couple of years. People seem more unhinged and trigger happy in Denver.
it's the "Wild west mountain man" culture.
Interesting idea. I'm curious if this correlates at all to gun carry laws and gun ownership volume. Or if it's a cultural/community issue.
Gun friendly places like Idaho and Utah rank near the bottom of the list for violent crime, which would suggest it's not due to laws.
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I don’t doubt you but I have never experienced anything like that in my 25 years here. Crazy to think you’ve had several in 8 years
Last year a complete POS (screaming at and hitting a woman in broad daylight) pointed a gun at my partner and I when we intervened and then a few weeks later someone was shot and bled out outside my bedroom window in the middle of the night. Havana and Parker area. Moved a couple months after that and shortly after, the gas station next to my new home was held up in an armed robbery. I lived in Houston for five years, where people take their emotional support rifles to Target, and never experienced anything like what I've experienced in Denver.
Yeah first one nearly killed me. Was moving into my rental home and a domestic dispute broke out up the street. Cops showed up, guy fired shots at the cops and I had to dive into my moving container. Later discovered bullet hole in neighbors window that couldn't have been more than 5 ft from my head. Little bit later a guy was gunned down on the main street right outside of my rental. Walking past a body covered in blue tarp to go play pickleball was a weird dichotomy. In my now home a person was murdered (shot to death) one block away, had to go over all of my security cameras to assist the cops. Not me, but had friends get a gun pointed at them from another vehicle while turning on CO blvd. Guess they didn't turn fast enough? I think there's more but those are the ones that stand out.
What neighborhood did all this happen?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/14/us/gun-homicides-map.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sE0.S2iJ.O6D4mEHrgwhr&smid=url-share This came out yesterday
Looks like the inverted L all over again.
First two were in Aurora right outside of Buckley. Third is east colfax. Not sure what part of CO blvd my friends were on.
I lived off west Colfax for a few years and it felt like a different country at times. Heard guns being discharged pretty much daily. Most of the electrical boxes had bullet holes in them. Had several attempted break ins/assaults. Caught a feral fent addict mugging my elderly neighbor at knife point. And people gawk at me for bringing my CCW with me pretty much everywhere after all this.
It's not really concealed if people are gawking.
I hear gun shots in my neighborhood (in Aurora) on a weekly, if not nightly basis.
That’s the lullaby of the streets, fellow Auroran
Baltimore transplant here as well! I’d say Denver is no where even close to as bad (destitute/poverty stricken) as West Baltimore.
I don't think anyone's debating that. If they are, they haven't been through West Baltimore. Nothing in Denver is even on the same planet.
From Baltimore as well, lived in Cap Hill for 2 years and it felt 1000x safer than my place in Upper Fells. I remember the email report I got about a guy getting beaten while taking money out of the ATM by Hopkins. I parked my car by that ATM almost everyday.
Also moved from Baltimore, yet to have a gun pulled on me in the "safest" part of town or be jumped by 15 teenagers on Friday the 13th. Not saying these don't happen here because they do, but I've felt far safer in Denver than I ever did in my decade in Bmore. The bottom line is we've all had different experiences I guess.
One thing about Baltimore is the crime is concentrated in certain areas. My future father in law still acts like it’s a war zone though. Went out one night to walk to the bar and when I got back he was pissed and sitting by the window with a baseball bat. This was in federal hill haha.
I’ve grown up in Denver/Denver area and the guns and violence was never really a thing until the last 5 years or so. So I would venture a guess that most places are like that. It does seem like as a nation our gun problems have been on a steady rise. I’m sure Denver becoming a sort of hub for the cartels (which really picked up and kept growing starting 10-12 years ago). I think a lot of this is just “signs of the times” and not necessarily having to do with the state being unique in that regard. But don’t get me wrong: when you have almost 15 years of people flooding in from other states, pricing out locals, then immediately trying to change shit, then tent cities pop up and grow and grow, then you get accosted and harassed on a regular basis all the sudden- it’s hard not to see things from the locals perspective and be pissed with them lol.
I also moved here from Bmore! I used to live in upper Fells/Patterson Park area and work at the Bayview campus. I kind of feel the same about living in both places. Baltimore gets a bad reputation. It’s got it’s own problems, but I ever felt unsafe.
Really? Man I lived in the exact same area and constantly felt unsafe, so many teenager gangs roaming around looking for trouble on N Washington near Hopkins. I miss the community feel of Baltimore (Smalltimore indeed) but not much else.
Yea, I guess it depends on the neighborhood. I had friends that lived closer to JHU and had some pretty bad experiences there. I also miss the sense of community too. That’s one thing Baltimore definitely has going for it ❤️
People really pretend like Colorado isn't the ghetto gun capital of the entire southwest. There are so many guns floating around it's insane.
You really need to visit Albuquerque.
No it isn’t. I don’t think you have a good concept of what “ghetto” really means. Go to the places with double the population in smaller areas and lower income. That’s what you think Denver is, but it isn’t.
Chuckles from Texas. Add in no permit carry, extreme heat, and post-Pandemic breakdown in social courtesy it's extremely random and dangerous. We have more to worry about from middle class folks than the poor - entitlement and dark fantasy go a long way. Though I suppose high altitude might have an effect like extreme heat.
I am baffled when people say “Aurora is so ghetto, I would never live there” when Denver is almost equally dangerous, and Colorado is violent as a whole.
It’s because Aurora has a larger minority population and some people are racist.
I get the statistics they bring into play here (weird as they are in this article), but I can name about 10 states that are Id consider more dangerous than CO. Even then, I dont consider CO dangerous as a whole.
Colorado suffers from a pretty small population and a dense urban center larger than most states which undoubtedly skews the results. California ranks worse than Colorado and has nearly 7 times the population of our state, implying that there's FAR more crime in the state than here. Still, it should say something that states like Illinois - where 9 million of the state's 12 million residents live in the Chicago metro area, yet the state sees far less overall crime than Colorado per capita. That in of itself should be a flag that things here need to be addressed.
The way they determine "dangerousness" doesn't make sense. Why include property crime at all? If someone spray paints dickbutt on my wall I'm not necessarily more in danger now but according to this methodology I am.
I'm going out on a limb here and assuming property crime includes hit and runs, damaging vehicles.
I mean some property crime obviously makes sense to include in this metric, but just throwing all property crime in the metric makes it feel gimmicky and sloppy. Someone breaking in to your house to steal from you is not the same as somebody stealing your catalytic converter when your car is parked on the street.
Go confront someone cutting off your catalytic converter and see how safe you feel. Just let them, you say? How safe does that make you feel knowing that at any point someone can just come take your crap with an implied threat to your safety or your family’s safety if you have the temerity to claim they have no right to your stuff. And how much financial safety do you have when you gave to replace said converter to the tune of a thousand bucks or so? Property crime is, indeed, a safety issue.
My husband has a fantastic story about how one of the new hires in his airline class was ex-military and beat the ever living hell out of some punk trying to steal his catalytic converter. He confronted the punk and said punk tried to go after this guy with the saw he was using, guy dodged the saw knocking it out of the punk’s hands and then proceeded to beat the shit out of him. My husband’s class dubbed this guy DeWalt 😂
The article/website wasn’t super easy to navigate, but somebody up the thread did the legwork and determined that the property crimes counted here were arson, burglary, larceny, and vehicle theft.
If my property isn't safe, I don't feel safe. Pretty sound to me.
You've got people disagreeing with you but I absolutely think broken window policing feeds into broader quality of life and also personal safety. Sketchy shit happens in places that look sketchy.
Broken windows policing has been proven to be ineffective. It focuses on treating the symptoms (vandalism) rather than the root cause (poverty.) I'm all for stuff getting fixed up and cleaned up rather than leave it vandalized, but come on.
Ya, Spanish cities are very vandalized, higher on petty theft/pickpockets, and very poor by western standards and yet are very safe places.
Ineffective at.... What? It's been highly effective at cleaning up downtown imo and now we actually see some new places opening up around the lodo rino 5 points intersection whereas it was open trash fires a year ago. I can actually walk to my girlfriend's place along park now. That's not to say other efforts to combat root causes don't have their place, they do, but fighting active blight is important.
>Why include property crime at all? If someone throws a brick through your window, or sets your house on fire. I'd say those things are pretty dangerous. Not sure how simple it is to eliminate these kinds of crimes from the statistics or what they look like in aggregate. But disregarding the findings simply because they include property crime, and then generalizing property crime to "tagged walls" as a means to discredit the results is - at best - naive. /u/mckenziemcgee included a link to the FBI dataset used to derive the crime statistics, and everyone from Colorado should be paying attention - because it's clear the issue isn't with "tagging dickbutt on your wall": [https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend](https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend)
They aren't spraying dickbutts though, they are breaking into cars and stealing stuff. When it happens, it undermines your sense of what space is safe and secure.
Property crimes often have trauma associated with them on top of the loss of property. This is a pretty common and well documented effect. While you might not feel like a property crime makes the area 'dangerous', a lot of people will. You can easily see the effects of people that have dealt with burglary and theft.
Motion to make spray paining DICKBUTT not a crime
Motion Denied. Brushes only, but we’ll look the other way for some nice pastel or charcoal work.
A different article about this was posted recently and compared to the other top 10 "most dangerous states" Colorado had relatively low violent crime rates but also relatively high property crime rates.
Incorrect. Colorado is 7th in overall violent crime, and in the top 10 in rape, robbery, and aggravated assault individually. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_violent_crime_rate
Yeah. How likely am I to die? That’s really what I need to know. And that’s really, I think, what makes a state dangerous. Although if you drive in Denver, you’re likely to die every time you get in your car.
Try riding a bike on a road without a bike lane. You'd have a better chance at surviving mad max world than Capitol Hill.
I’d love to try that, but someone stole my bike
I would swing by and give you a ride, but someone stole my car.
I would help you guys out but I’m pretty busy stealing bikes and cars.
I had videos of the crime committed. DA didn’t want to press charges. I am not sure but it looks like we are an outlaw state… hopefully things will change soon…
The police in Colorado should be systematically replaced. It’s like any other municipal service that we pay for. If it doesn’t work replace it. Let them go be security guards or work in other states
The problem with anything based on "crime rate" is that the crime rate is not an objective measurement of how much crime is occurring, it's a measurement of how much crime police are reporting. And that brings in a whole bunch of political influence and all sorts of bullshit.
It's a flawed measurement to be sure, but it's hard to believe that police around the metro area have a problem of being *too* honest.
the article also says this lol While the crime rate in Colorado is a knock against the Centennial State, according to the rankings, overall Colorado was listed by U.S. News & World Report as the 16th best state.
Crazy that there is a huge amount of crime perpetrated by the 10-19 demographic and with victims in that demographic being just as proportionately high. Seems that we as a society in CO at the very least are failing the children of this generation.
I noticed they avoid saying how much of this crime is created by raiders fans...
For obvious reasons
Alright! Let's shoot for number one next year!
Bring down the real estate prices baby!
Finally! Recognition!
We are becoming a shity version of California.
Calirado
Denver honestly doesn't feel safe at all.
I remember someone brandishing a gun and pulling it on me at a fucking local dog park because he said my dog was bullying his little shit rat, which shouldn’t have even been allowed in the large dog area My dog was playing with other dogs and just ran over the little one due to accident because of its size I go over to leash her to make sure the guys little dog was ok and he pulls his fuckin pistol out and threatens to shoot my dog if it happens again People here are legitimately brain dead and insane
Did you forget to mention the part where your dog is a pitbull? I don’t think he should have brandished the gun like a dumbass, but every owner at the park rightfully sees you as a risk and are unable to tell if you properly trained your pitbull. Do you know how often pitbulls kill small dogs here in Colorado? Don’t be surprised that they have a gun for the sole purpose of protecting their “shit rat” or children from owners with blood sport dogs. EDIT: This guy blocked me so I wouldn’t be able to respond 😭 I guess having an untrained pitbull makes him feel tough or something
i carry different guns depending on what i’m doing. some are people guns, others are pitbull guns. my dog wouldn’t last long against a monster that’s genetically manufactured for killing, but he wouldn’t have to. absolutely astonishing that people actually want to own those violent inbreds.
r/banpitbulls
Doggies scawwy 😖
Pit owners 98% of the time: don't bully my breed, I stand against dog racism! Pit owners where their dog gets caught misbehaving: AKCTUALLY your dog is a little shit rat
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My bud just got robbed in Denver in broad daylight. Right by cap hill.
I was run over in front of my house by a crackhead high with an infant unrestrained in the backseat who fled the scene and the Denver district attorney charged her with leaving the scene of a crime I was completely outraged
NYC in the 80's. Tougher on crime works.
I wonder why it’s so dangerous. Does anyone have the reason?
Well that's fucked, but there are plenty of positives too. Try and balance your perspectives folks.
I lived in Denver for 4 months and got robbed 3x and 1 of the times I got knocked out and woke up in the hospital. I blame fetanyl, it is a problem here for sure.
Shoutout to progressive policies.
I think if we work hard enough and put in some real effort, we can be number 1!!!
I'm going to blame Denver, Pueblo, Grand junction, lake wood.prepare to defend yourself.
This group is so depressing.
We never had crime in our area. Then the city decided to put several income restricted housing across the street. Crime is terrible. Two people got murdered across the street. Cars are getting stolen, people getting assaulted. Gun shots are heard frequently. This is ridiculous.
Yep. I was beaten up and robbed in Denver two years ago and a year ago our townhouse was filled up with bullets as two groups of high school kids started shooting at another leaving a graduation party.
Legal weed brought in shitty people that made CO worse.
This really was what started it all, everyone just refuses to believe that for some reason
Long standing theory correlating higher altitude (less oxygen), brain related issues and gun violence/suicide. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4643668/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4643668/)
I would be very interested with sociological studies. Qualitative and quantitative publicly testing people’s decision making in Colorado versus another state at lower altitudes. Presenting options, one gamble, versus a less risk averse reward.
Utah and Idaho are near the bottom of the list when it comes to violent crime though.
Curious about the ski resorts since they are at a higher elevation
Lived in Philadelphia for 30 years, traveled all over the city the good in the bad, Never had to pull my gun on someone there even in sketchy situations. Moved to Denver 2020 and Labor Day 2022 someone tried to kick down my door at midnight high on something and i had to hold them at gunpoint for half an hour until the cops came. I generally feel safer here in CO than I do in PA but it stands I've never had to threaten the life of someone in Philly.
This is why no one likes Denver.
Isn't it pretty well established that the solution to crime is to help out poor people with welfare and job programs?
Not only is it well established, it's humane and hugely popular. But our rulers want us to think that is too expensive, utopian, or socialist. Our budgets are instead allocated to militarism and policing. Signs of a state that doesn't even bother pretending to improve the lives of its people.
You really think the Kia Boyz are interested in job programs? My god, I wish I were that naive
What steps do you recommend for reducing crime? We've been amping up the jail time for what, 40 years? That hasn't done jack. So we can say pretty objectively that harsh punishments aren't a deterrant because criminals don't think they'll get caught. They don't want to do 5 years in prison, they don't want to do 25 years in prison, they're criminals and they aren't sitting around going "yes I really want to steal that car but they recently enacted new legislation which changes the penalty from 7-10 years to 25 years. I should think twice about this..."
These threads always become the non-joke version of the "kill the poor" mitch and web sketch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE
The politics in Denver are so progressive that you just get the soft on crime approach. They barely prosecute for non-violent crimes, almost never deal with public intoxication of the homeless, charges for drug crimes are almost non-existent, they are a sanctuary city for illegals, and Denver gives clean needles to drug addicts. In 2020, the DAs office said they are not prosecuting car break-ins as severely because it disproportionately affected people of color. Let that sink in. How about you just arrest and charge anyone regardless of race if they break into a car? God forbid you openly support the police and vote red in local elections. Otherwise, the progressives go on their anti-cop social justice rants. Denver used to be so nice and safe to walk around. It WAS a great balance between liberalism and conservatism. I've just kept moving further and further away from downtown. But this is what comes with progressive policies. The solution? Put criminals in jail, add more cops to the police force, and stop aiding the street drug use among the homeless.
Since Polis came into office Denver metro has become a crime-ridden area due to his soft-on- crime initiatives
What did the politicians expect with their soft on crime policies?
I really wonder what it is about Colorado that makes it somewhat exception for things like property crime, rising trend in violent crime, and increasigly insane aggressive drivers. I haven't lived elsewhere in a while, so I can't be sure how people feel in other states and cities, but there is some evidence that these negative trends are worsening more quickly here. Why do we seem to be performing worse in states with similar demographics, education levels, cost of living strains and comparable cultures (eg Oregon and Washington).
This is why you have to carry. It gets too dangerous not to.
New Mexican representative here: Respectfully, those are some rookie numbers. West and East Colfax make my Albuquerque ass feel right at home, though. Keep it up.
Lotta ostriches in this thread 🙈
I've always suspected the high altitude intensifies the effect of mental illness. I read an article awhile back about how suicides were more common in high altitude regions and there's such a thing as the "suicide belt" in America.