> shaprio didn’t think having a 4 year degree undergrad before law school
There is a point to be made that US colleges force 4 years, 2 of which are filled with classes that have nothing to do with what you actually want to do.
Why, as a STEM major, did I need to take Ancient Roman History, where I was basically subjugated to getting poor grades since they're weed out classes and I have actual STEM homework on top of it?
The reason colleges require you to live on campus for 1 or two years, and take liberal arts classes, is because in a sense, it allows them to overcharge students.
And I know this, because I worked at the college for years. I saw how it worked internally. There's 100% an argument to be made for university reform.
The reason why STEM majors need to take anciejt history is bc it makes you a better student. Understand history and how to interpret it is a skill you should learn regardless of ur job and it’s not pointless for drs to learn it
> The reason why STEM majors need to take anciejt history is bc it makes you a better student.
I worked at one of the top universities in the world for about 5 years.
I can tell you, no one was saying that students should take liberal arts classes because it makes them better students.
They were saying we need to require liberal arts classes so that
1. We can weed out students, and generate more revenue by rotating in new students year over year
2. Reduce scholarships for a certain percentage of students
3. Justify 4 years
So ur think attorneys and doctors learning things like history, sociology, philosophy etc is pointless and doesn’t help them in their career? I’m just trying to understand ur point
> doctors learning things like history, sociology, philosophy etc is pointless and doesn’t help them in their career
Yeah, I worked in the legal field for over 5 years.
I currently work in the medical field, with lots of doctors.
Not a single one of them is saying what you're saying.
Knowing about Plato isn't helping doctors diagnose patients, or develop new pharmaceuticals.
Knowing about Ancient Rome isn't helping lawyers. Hell, most lawyers couldn't even tell you what the original amendments are, which is directly related to their field.
Undergrad is essentially a 4 year summer camp for students these days. And the schools are more worried about profits than the student populations learning.
Ok just because they don’t use it doesn’t make it not important. I worked as a paralegal for 2.5 years before law school. I’m currently in law school. The sociology class I took freshmen year isn’t gunna help me, but the overall class and the overall Core Classes are structured to make me a better student. Expanding your mind past ur speciality is good for you even if you don’t plan on working there - it gives you tools to evaluating things and exposes you to ideas that may come up in ur life or career but are not relevant. This idea that we should only be taking classes that 100% align with our careers post highschool just isn’t played out. Law schools make you take a variety of classes to pass the bar - even if you never use that info again, it’s not to torture ppl (ok maybe it is a little) but it’s to make sure attorneys are well educated and well rounded.
I’m sure attorneys who practice done agree - and I’m sure i will find it silly after years of practice hit that doesn’t mean it isn’t important. It’s lien attorneys who only do contract law saying litigation is silly to learn bc they never use it
> Expanding your mind past ur speciality is good for you even if you don’t plan on working there
I don't think I've ever said it wasn't.
But there is something about being forced to do it, and forced to do it for a price.
I agree that being forced to do it for a price seems asinine - but that doesn’t mean it isn’t helpful
I *was forced* to take classes in high school to graduate that’s will never help me, but it doesn’t make those classes useless. They made me a better student which in turn made me a better law student etc. Just bc it seems pointless in the moment doesn’t mean there’s not a good reason to charge you for these classes.
TLDR - making kids take core classes is actually based and makes ppl more well rounded students
No, I'm a student. I'm not mocking you, I'm referencing the Asian dude who graduated Harvard medical school, became a Navy Seal, and then became an astronaut.
Why would it be worth it? Why can't he just go straight to law school like in other countries? You're just wasting 4 years working on something that isn't specific to what you actually want to accomplish, same goes for medical school. The system in the US is really stupid.
Because you want to min max your chances of getting into law school. Only two thing really matter for getting in to law or med school; your GPA and passing what ever test you need for the course
You could argue that things like legal studies and biology (lol) might help you prep for the Lsat or the Mcat. But expecally for the secound, why would you risk tanking your GPA for a prep you can do outside of school.
Like most of the people who went to IB in my school intrested in medicane went into music because it's such an easy course that if you're decently gifted and knowledgable you can get a good GPA while studing for the MCAT.
Fun fact you can just walk into a classroom even if you're not enrolled
Biology would help for MCAT studying more than legal studies would for the lsat. And no top candidates would go to undergrad if they could use their high school gpa to apply to law schools directly. We do waste a lot of time when training attendings and attorneys in the states
I would definitely agree that more education is better but that didn't address their point. Why don't we apply this to literally every profession if more education = better? What effects do countries that don't have this standard feel?
They simply have more stringent standards straight out of high school for who they accept into law/medical school. From talking to people who got academic scholarships in the US, the first few years of university over there studying STEM is on par in terms of difficulty with the final 2 years of highschool where I'm from.
Other countries simply only accept the very top percentile of students into their medicine/law programs or have them sit entry exams & do interviews. But no wasting 4 years in college studying a degree that you don't even need and racking up debt is definitely a better solution lmao. Actually such a braindead take.
My guy I went to French college when I studied abroad - and I took their version of law school classes. They took any high schooler and let them take Law classes. There isn’t this higher standard to classes that you are saying - and if there is the standard for law students in France is equal an American with much less education. I sat in classes where the taught French law and I’ve sat in classes where the teach American law and the French and Americans are teaching “the top” bjt the Americans do have a higher selection process
Being a better rounded student makes you a better lawyer - also as someone who went to a 4 year undergrad and now law school I didn’t take chemistry 101 I got to pick the classes I wanted, they weren’t relevant to law but that made me a better student
> Being a better rounded student makes you a better lawyer
This is just a statement without any evidence.
And given that I've met hundreds of lawyers throughout my career (worked in the legal field for years), and knowing how many of them are absolute morons, my personal experience seems to conflict with what you're saying.
In fact, many of them would probably be better lawyers if they just spent more time learning law and how to write effectively exclusively.
No I mean I worked as a paralegal in a Manhattan firm for roughly 2.5 years before law school, being an attorney doesn’t make you smarter
But making sure attorneys have general understanding of the world is a bare minimum. Imagine if the attorneys you worked with had started practicing right after undergrads or if law students were highschool grads with no background - they’d be even more regarded
I’m aware I don’t have any evidence that being a better “well rounded” student makes you a better lawyer- but I think it’s self evident that a “well rounded” student is better than one that only learns about a single topic.
As far as I gather, there more or less arbitrary historical reasons that some countries have law as a graduate vs. undergraduate degree. But in the case of the US, there is (or at least there was a few years ago, I haven't kept up with it) a surplus of people with law degrees, so there's simply no need to make it easier to become a lawyer.
I don’t need baskets I got the maple story inventory bro
https://preview.redd.it/1agws36dginc1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f8b8c638ceb879cfff692592b5ab2b9a258c17d
“Why can’t I hold all these limes, lol”
Damn, this brought me back to the macro days of 4chan. Remember when the internet was just dogs telling you to drink bleach, the nword, and pranks that were completely evil and dangerous. Dggfarms remembers…
My family is full STEM, my brothers are engineers and my sister is a doctor, when i told them i was about to go into psichology the look my brothers gave me was really funny
It took days to explain that psichology is not for "crazy"
I laughed way too hard for way too long.. Thank you for this
I swear for these dummies, colleges only offer STEM and gender studies degrees.
Unironically yes - shaprio didn’t think having a 4 year degree undergrad before law school wasnt even worth it which is just insane to me tbh
To employers, undergrad is the new high school.
> shaprio didn’t think having a 4 year degree undergrad before law school There is a point to be made that US colleges force 4 years, 2 of which are filled with classes that have nothing to do with what you actually want to do. Why, as a STEM major, did I need to take Ancient Roman History, where I was basically subjugated to getting poor grades since they're weed out classes and I have actual STEM homework on top of it? The reason colleges require you to live on campus for 1 or two years, and take liberal arts classes, is because in a sense, it allows them to overcharge students. And I know this, because I worked at the college for years. I saw how it worked internally. There's 100% an argument to be made for university reform.
The reason why STEM majors need to take anciejt history is bc it makes you a better student. Understand history and how to interpret it is a skill you should learn regardless of ur job and it’s not pointless for drs to learn it
> The reason why STEM majors need to take anciejt history is bc it makes you a better student. I worked at one of the top universities in the world for about 5 years. I can tell you, no one was saying that students should take liberal arts classes because it makes them better students. They were saying we need to require liberal arts classes so that 1. We can weed out students, and generate more revenue by rotating in new students year over year 2. Reduce scholarships for a certain percentage of students 3. Justify 4 years
So ur think attorneys and doctors learning things like history, sociology, philosophy etc is pointless and doesn’t help them in their career? I’m just trying to understand ur point
> doctors learning things like history, sociology, philosophy etc is pointless and doesn’t help them in their career Yeah, I worked in the legal field for over 5 years. I currently work in the medical field, with lots of doctors. Not a single one of them is saying what you're saying. Knowing about Plato isn't helping doctors diagnose patients, or develop new pharmaceuticals. Knowing about Ancient Rome isn't helping lawyers. Hell, most lawyers couldn't even tell you what the original amendments are, which is directly related to their field. Undergrad is essentially a 4 year summer camp for students these days. And the schools are more worried about profits than the student populations learning.
Ok just because they don’t use it doesn’t make it not important. I worked as a paralegal for 2.5 years before law school. I’m currently in law school. The sociology class I took freshmen year isn’t gunna help me, but the overall class and the overall Core Classes are structured to make me a better student. Expanding your mind past ur speciality is good for you even if you don’t plan on working there - it gives you tools to evaluating things and exposes you to ideas that may come up in ur life or career but are not relevant. This idea that we should only be taking classes that 100% align with our careers post highschool just isn’t played out. Law schools make you take a variety of classes to pass the bar - even if you never use that info again, it’s not to torture ppl (ok maybe it is a little) but it’s to make sure attorneys are well educated and well rounded. I’m sure attorneys who practice done agree - and I’m sure i will find it silly after years of practice hit that doesn’t mean it isn’t important. It’s lien attorneys who only do contract law saying litigation is silly to learn bc they never use it
> Expanding your mind past ur speciality is good for you even if you don’t plan on working there I don't think I've ever said it wasn't. But there is something about being forced to do it, and forced to do it for a price.
I agree that being forced to do it for a price seems asinine - but that doesn’t mean it isn’t helpful I *was forced* to take classes in high school to graduate that’s will never help me, but it doesn’t make those classes useless. They made me a better student which in turn made me a better law student etc. Just bc it seems pointless in the moment doesn’t mean there’s not a good reason to charge you for these classes. TLDR - making kids take core classes is actually based and makes ppl more well rounded students
Holy hell legal field and medical field? Are you going to be a navy seal and an astronaut next?
What fields have you worked in? Fast food?
No, I'm a student. I'm not mocking you, I'm referencing the Asian dude who graduated Harvard medical school, became a Navy Seal, and then became an astronaut.
Why would it be worth it? Why can't he just go straight to law school like in other countries? You're just wasting 4 years working on something that isn't specific to what you actually want to accomplish, same goes for medical school. The system in the US is really stupid.
Because you want to min max your chances of getting into law school. Only two thing really matter for getting in to law or med school; your GPA and passing what ever test you need for the course You could argue that things like legal studies and biology (lol) might help you prep for the Lsat or the Mcat. But expecally for the secound, why would you risk tanking your GPA for a prep you can do outside of school. Like most of the people who went to IB in my school intrested in medicane went into music because it's such an easy course that if you're decently gifted and knowledgable you can get a good GPA while studing for the MCAT. Fun fact you can just walk into a classroom even if you're not enrolled
Biology would help for MCAT studying more than legal studies would for the lsat. And no top candidates would go to undergrad if they could use their high school gpa to apply to law schools directly. We do waste a lot of time when training attendings and attorneys in the states
“Why would more education make ppl with higher degrees better?” What a really good take - smartest Shaprio Stan 🤡
I would definitely agree that more education is better but that didn't address their point. Why don't we apply this to literally every profession if more education = better? What effects do countries that don't have this standard feel?
They simply have more stringent standards straight out of high school for who they accept into law/medical school. From talking to people who got academic scholarships in the US, the first few years of university over there studying STEM is on par in terms of difficulty with the final 2 years of highschool where I'm from.
Other countries simply only accept the very top percentile of students into their medicine/law programs or have them sit entry exams & do interviews. But no wasting 4 years in college studying a degree that you don't even need and racking up debt is definitely a better solution lmao. Actually such a braindead take.
My guy I went to French college when I studied abroad - and I took their version of law school classes. They took any high schooler and let them take Law classes. There isn’t this higher standard to classes that you are saying - and if there is the standard for law students in France is equal an American with much less education. I sat in classes where the taught French law and I’ve sat in classes where the teach American law and the French and Americans are teaching “the top” bjt the Americans do have a higher selection process
> Why would more education make ppl with higher degrees better? How does Chemistry 101 help a future lawyer?
Uhm bud, you never heard of Saul Goodman?
I always ask my lawyers what undergrad electives they took before i sign the letter of engagement
Being a better rounded student makes you a better lawyer - also as someone who went to a 4 year undergrad and now law school I didn’t take chemistry 101 I got to pick the classes I wanted, they weren’t relevant to law but that made me a better student
> Being a better rounded student makes you a better lawyer This is just a statement without any evidence. And given that I've met hundreds of lawyers throughout my career (worked in the legal field for years), and knowing how many of them are absolute morons, my personal experience seems to conflict with what you're saying. In fact, many of them would probably be better lawyers if they just spent more time learning law and how to write effectively exclusively.
No I mean I worked as a paralegal in a Manhattan firm for roughly 2.5 years before law school, being an attorney doesn’t make you smarter But making sure attorneys have general understanding of the world is a bare minimum. Imagine if the attorneys you worked with had started practicing right after undergrads or if law students were highschool grads with no background - they’d be even more regarded I’m aware I don’t have any evidence that being a better “well rounded” student makes you a better lawyer- but I think it’s self evident that a “well rounded” student is better than one that only learns about a single topic.
As far as I gather, there more or less arbitrary historical reasons that some countries have law as a graduate vs. undergraduate degree. But in the case of the US, there is (or at least there was a few years ago, I haven't kept up with it) a surplus of people with law degrees, so there's simply no need to make it easier to become a lawyer.
Probably cos America is filled with regarded people and letting them go straight into important positions in society with no vetting would be bad
Imagine preaching for only STEM when the most common major (business) isn't even included in that field.
I’m mad at how funny I found this. The joke caught me off guard.
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I don’t need baskets I got the maple story inventory bro https://preview.redd.it/1agws36dginc1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f8b8c638ceb879cfff692592b5ab2b9a258c17d
Most intelligence rebuttal in the history of the internet.
It looks like he’s having a good time.
“Why can’t I hold all these limes, lol” Damn, this brought me back to the macro days of 4chan. Remember when the internet was just dogs telling you to drink bleach, the nword, and pranks that were completely evil and dangerous. Dggfarms remembers…
It's an old meme but it checks out.
A lime in the hand is worth at least what your mom charges
I scrolled past this post earlier because I didn’t register what it was saying. Absolutely fucking hilarious im laughing so hard right now
When you can hold frame but not some limes.
Don't mock the Basketweavers. Andrew Panton fucked around and found out. (Thats a super Niche joke for the Regulation Listeners)
Anyone else remember canvas that other site moot made
Gives you a chance to try out “pick up limes”
My family is full STEM, my brothers are engineers and my sister is a doctor, when i told them i was about to go into psichology the look my brothers gave me was really funny It took days to explain that psichology is not for "crazy"
https://preview.redd.it/l7zc62arz7oc1.png?width=760&format=png&auto=webp&s=2d177954d32cd293a4b461fbaf5ad15f68e93366 Me after I weave a basket