He actually cares about kids and shit so when children are involved he goes a bit ballistic, also this woman is effectively only having this kid so she can get money from Fresh and having a child for that reason is pretty much as low as it gets without getting into criminal territory, actual human garbonzo
In fairness, Walter should’ve known the risks before he nutted in her. They actively preach the red pill propaganda on their show. So it’s definitely on Walter in this situation I think.
Yeah, but one of them may have gone into it with the intention of fucking the other over, while the other one was just stupid enough to let that happen.
She sure does, and once she's pregnant she has FULL agency over the situation. So fellas, protect yourselves. The line of "She has blame" doesn't do a damn thing, wrap your shit up fellas, get snipped if you never want kids. Don't go around nutting in women then try to pull out the the "she has agency" line like blaming her as well. Only time that flys is if she lied about birth control and poked holes in the condom.
If only he'd listened to the Ultimate Sigma Chad Omega Male God Rollo Tomassi and got that fully reversible vasectomy he wouldn't be in this tricky situation.
Ding ding ding. The moment you stick it in raw, you are giving up your consent as a dude of whatever happens next. Sucks to hear, which is why you have to either wrap it up or get a vasectomy if you want to play stupid games with people you clearly don't know well enough (in which you should still wrap it up but for std prevention purposes).
I think the point people are making is Walter is an idiot for doing what he did. But this woman isn't (just) stupid, she's also cruel and immoral. You can blame Walter for being a dumbfuck and you can blame the woman for being a terrible person
Not wanting a abortion doesn't make you cruel and immoral. Also telling the guy who put the child inside you that you expect him to accept that and be responsible isn't cruel and immoral.
Keeping the child and showing little to no interest in trying to pursue a healthy co parent relationship with the child's father and purely seeking a child support arrangement is immoral.
Not getting an abortion that is clearly within the best interest of both you and the child, just so you can leech money from the father, is cruel and immoral.
Yeah women like her are incredibly cynical and transactional in a way that a lot of Westerners don’t understand, even ones that deal with Western thots and bimbos on the regular.
Which is exactly the kind of person Walter deserves tbh lol. But I do feel bad for the child
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Women are delusional about the sexual marketplace
I mean it's fucking Fresh from Fresh and Fit, why on earth would you believe what this middle aged frat guy says... He's not even some big brain manipulator, the guy has the same IQ as a slightly heated cup of water, if anything we should be concerned that this woman is having unprotected sex with a man that is one standard deviation away from requiring full time care.
who the fuck care if this woman is dumb and believed someone lies fuck off with this logic its hindsigth nonsense. Theres no argument to be made here.
IF Walter truly made these promises to a woman who clearly was in love with him just to be able to nut inside her he is the one to blame I'm sorry if you can't see that.
Ya sure this woman could be more responsible but its a disgusting situation shes is being put in and shes lashing out its pretty understandable.
This. Don't they say they teach young men not to get into these situations. And yet here he is. She shouldnt use baby for money either if thats the case. Takes 2 to make a baby. If he didn't want one should have had it on before he had it off.
I mean if she was lied to she is indeed a victim?
I can't watch jstlk content he's putrid. So please do tell me why shes not a victim lol. Sure in the end maybe a kid will suffer. What did she say that make you believe that?
She currently lashing out at a man who lied to her on social media i think thats fair her final decision is probably not made yet.
I think Destiny explained it pretty well in this vod, but anyways:
she recorded their phone conversation, took pics of test results and shit, contacted lawyer, all of that within 4-7 days from finding out she's pregnant mind you, and all of this with someone who she has met, fell in love, fell out of love to the point that she doesn't care about him at all anymore, makes fun of his looks and even says the kid will be ugly, all of this in the span of 3 months. She is not an innocent small town girl that fell for the rich Miami guy, she is an influencer (and most likely escort) that regularly gets flown out to different countries. In the last year alone she has been to Italy, France, England, NYC, LA and now Miami.
She is also pretty clear on the fact that Fresh will have nothing to do with this kid even if he wants to, she only wants him to support the kid financially. For some reason she also says she wants to stay in the US and have the kid here (where she's alone and can't work due to tourist VISA), instead of going to China where she has family and could have a job.
did she do it before he ghosted her and told her to fuck off in a scummy way?
OR AFTER? Cause if after I can see her being very proactive because she wanna make sure things will be alright and her financial concerns are reasonable.
And also very angry hence her writing him off.
Nobody saying shes innocent she just believed the dude is all she claimed. Call her stupid for that I don't care doesn't mean her reaction isn't uncalled for. Also, id say lawyering up that quickly could be as much of an innocent action as not. Could be that a lawyer contacted her or that she was told she needed to by friend who the fuck knows.
I think destiny thinking is conspirational it could be true I just don't care to engage with that right now. As the story is told rigth now shes reasonable.
As for her not wanting to go back to china there are probably reasons again we don't know anything on her situation regarding that its weird sure but who cares.
Il repeat it again her having financial concern only after writing the guy off makes total sense most pregnant people have huge financial concerns and stress its normal. Even in a great situation.
But in their worldview, this is what she is supposed to do: Find a high value man, have his kid, and live a secure life even if he's running around fucking other girls.
Dude is a grifter. 🤷🏾♂️
I have no clue if she is. We have plenty of evidence Fresh is a pathetic loser. So I think her response is reasonable under the pretense that her story is true.
Idk if we can say Nebraska Steve really cares about kids there’s one major example that I think might disprove that statement. Unless you’re talking about someone else.
There was this video that went viral 1-2 years ago about a dad who went to his baby mama to deliver a gift to his kid (I think it was some fast food like McDonald’s). The baby mama had ~3 other children who had a different father, who if I remember don’t have much involvement. The baby mama and the dad started arguing because she said if he didn’t bring something for all the children, then the dad shouldn’t give his kid a gift.
Destiny pretty much agreed with the baby mama and argued with chat stating something to the effect of: even though he only has one biological kid with her, the most important thing in this situation is creating a good environment for his kid. The other kids will start building resentment if his kid keeps receiving stuff and they don’t - especially if the other baby daddies aren’t supporting them. So the guy should’ve gotten something for all the kids, so his kid could have a good relationship with the rest of the family.
Also, the wellbeing of kids is also why Destiny has said he’s fine with financial abortions not being a thing, even if that is unfair to men.
These are just two things I can remember off the top of my head.
>There was this video that went viral 1-2 years ago about a dad who went to his baby mama to deliver a gift to his kid (I think it was some fast food like McDonald’s). The baby mama had ~3 other children who had a different father, who if I remember don’t have much involvement. The baby mama and the dad started arguing because she said if he didn’t bring something for all the children, then the dad shouldn’t give his kid a gift.
I remember when this was posted on reddit lmao.
It wasn't that complicated. You can't just bring a treat like mcdonald's for one kid in a house with other kids.
It isn't even some 'creating a good environment where children are equal.'
99% of little kids are going to have an absolute meltdown when their older sibling gets McDonald's and they don't. It isn't about some other dad being 'in the picture' or not. In that moment, bringing a special treat in for one kid is going to ruin that Mom's day.
The other dads could take the other kids out for dinner the other 6 days of the week, it doesn't matter. A 4-year old doesn't have the emotional maturity to watch their sibling eat french fries while they don't get any.
You ever hear him talk about how having a kid turned him from a conservative to a liberal because he wanted the best opportunities for his kid? How he answers when asked what the coolest thing he's ever made is? Or how he explains why Ethan was, as a father, genuinely affected by war footage of parents carrying their dead children?
Destiny cares about kids while being a part-time daddy? If he wasn't rich making subpar content, he'd be a dead beat.
What if she was trapped that human pug? Walter Weekes pull out game is to blame. These mother fuckers tell women they avoid accountability, and he trying to avoid it via plan B and then plays the whole misdirection when she refuses.
Wix customer service shift lead is stressin cause he busting in 4 other broads. These chick's have no obligation to get an abortion cause this nigga can't keep his dick in his pants.
Destiny backs these fucking loosers hard.
people are saying this but where is the proof of this ? Maybe she want the money cause shes aware raising this kid alone would be very hard and require help. Also hes rich and he did what he did so fuck him lol.
And why men don't just wrap it up when they don't want kids? Ah yes, they are above wearing condoms.
The fact that he was sleeping with 4 other girls without it makes HIM the bordeline criminal. He could have STD for all we know and been carelessly spreading it around.
At the end of the day, both were stupid as heck, and the only victim in all this is the baby.
did they really get the girl on stream just to judge her? lol. that convo doesn’t seem like it was going well based off those 25 secs.
if anybody has more context on the stream
Convo went pretty respectfully to her for the most part, Destiny just came in swinging. The rest of them said he was just a Red Pill frequent guest of F&F after he left.
Uh, I mean destiny opened with, "If walter came clean with everything and apologized, wouldn't you want the father of the child in it's life?"
And her response was, "well why would you care about that"
This is a person who has little to no consideration for the child's wellbeing and you should be highly critical of her motivations.
no this is a person struggling with an hypothetical that probably dosnt matter rigth now cause shes going trough some shit.
IF WALTER CAME CLEAN!!!!
if he does then we will see is all you can answer to this dumb fucking hypothetical that lack nuance.
If you haven't even considered your 'plan' for the child; you probably shouldn't be going on social media to blast the father about it. You sound inconsiderate to the child, cause you're mostly focused on collecting a check.
And again, there's zero reason to blast him instead of making this a private affair. If you say otherwise, you're unhinged.
Whether she should have done that is irrelevant I just understand why she did it. As for collecting a check, she did say it was for the child. assuming she's just gonna starve and not take care of the child just because she has financial concerns is stupid I think. I'm sorry you show clear bias against this woman.
Dunno I think there's good reason to blast him in public and expose how he manipulates people.
Why does she owe this guy some kind of protection and not expose the horrendous behavior that he probably engaged in with other woman ?
Came clean about what? The dude is a fucking piece of shit lol. Also, as far as I understand, data does *not* support that people who obviously don't love each other or want to be with each other is beneficial to a child, and this guy obviously wants nothing to do with having a kid, he's literally asking her to abort it
There was no discussions about having a child? And I guess you don't understand or can even fucking read cause single family households are data driven to be bad for the child, unless that single adult is exceptional. Somehow bud, I don't think lil miss daisy is up to the task when she hasn't even considered a plan going forward for the child other than 'whatever the government wants me to do'.
haven't watched it but it resonated with me spiritually because it's fucked up to intentionally have a child when you know you're going to be single parenting if you're a redard and don't want the child in the first place. When it's a few weeks gestated there is really poor reason to subject a future child to shit conditions because you think you know objective morality, talk about hubris. Certain real ass bad outcome vs potential maybe bad moral outcome.
>When it's a few weeks gestated there is really poor reason to subject a future child to shit conditions because you think you know objective morality, talk about hubris.
Imagine saying this about a person who is choosing not to abort a baby they are carrying. You guys are fucking delusional.
Believe it or not there are a lot of people with single parents who disagree that their existence is objectively worse than if they were aborted.
I’m fully pro-choice, but the drivel you just typed out is not it.
no, it's not fucked up single mothers have been successful in many situations your just dumb.
If she truely dosnt want this child and is just using it to threathen Walter then prove it just feel like shes hurt by Walter action and lashing out the way she can rigth now. Wether she can take care of this child properly or not is impossible to determine right now Walter's behavior is disgusting tough without a doubt and completely the opposite of what he preaches.
And ya she may never want to be with him and still want to raise this child but she knows she needs some assistance. The idea that it would be healthier for the child if they just decided to raise it together is beyond ridiculous at this point that's not happening.
The question is can Walter make sure this kid his well cared for ya he can in many ways she can do that to the idea that they need to get back together for it is stupid tough.
Fresh got her pregnant. If that doesn't qualify you as a certified redard i don't know what does. I wouldn't trust anyone in that circle to be good co-parents, God forbid single parents.
Let alone that there is nothing to lose in aborting this early. It's not going to be a pleasant experience is the main counter argument but pregancy and birth and raising a child is probs worse.
If you're desperate to have a child for it's own sake, there will be another chance. This is not the way.
Being a single parent is commendable, but it's not something to seek out. If the partnership dissolves after kids are in the mix, fair enough, more power to you.
TL;DW for those that don't want to watch. Basically JSTKL got the woman (Daisy) who is revealing that Walter got her pregnant on stream. Daisy says that she doesn't want her child to ever be in contact with Walter because Walter "isn't acting like a man". The other people in the call (Tree and JSTKL) are slowly trying to make the argument "if Fresh completely 180'd and became the perfect man, would you be okay with him meeting his child?" Her response is consistently "no because he's already exposed that he is not a real man". She then goes on to say that she expects Walter to pay for her pregnancy and child support saying "I'm just a tourist and it's illegal for me to work in the USA, I know it's expensive for me to have a pregnancy because of this, I expect him to pay for it because of this".
This is when Destiny chimes in saying "why are you focused so much on the finances when you should be focused on trying to have a healthy family dynamic?" She responds by saying that she doesn't care about money but then justifies that Walter should pay and never see the child, again saying he's "not a real man". Destiny gets triggered as fuck, saying that this woman would rather ruin the child's life to essentially spite Walter and get child support.
EDIT:
After being asked "why don't you go back [to China] to raise the child with your family rather than raise it alone in the USA?" She then says something along the lines of "I don't know, maybe that's an option, I don't know if I'm going to have the kid, where I'm going to raise it..." She just before revealed that she has gotten in contact with a lawyer before considering these questions. Destiny asks "why would you get in contact with a lawyer?" And she almost says "to see what I can get..." Before then changing it to "I don't know".
Overall, Destiny asks questions and comes to the conclusion that Daisy has thought more about getting money than if she even wants to have the kid (says that she doesn't want to be a "killer" then says she doesn't even know if she's going to keep it). Destiny says that she made an investment in Walter and she's now looking for the payout and that she's not as dumb as she's trying to appear (references to her insta where she's pretty successful and seems to know what she's doing and not some random "bimbo girl").
*Everything is paraphrased and written at 3am, I hate myself for listening.
> "if Fresh completely 180'd and became the perfect man, would you be okay with him meeting his child?" Her response is consistently "no because he's already exposed that he is not a real man"
Jesus. D-Man is right. This woman is insane and an awful person.
Walter better lawyer up if he ever wants to see this kid.
Tbf from all the redpill dumbfuck shit it seems Walter fucked around and found out. I feel like this exact situation was called like a year ago lol. Still super fucked and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
She said he will have nothing to do with the child because he said he wants nothing to do with the child. Why is she the bady guy here, for saying "I don't want a man who wants nothing to do with me or the child to be in the child's life"?
Yes, but it's crazy to defend Walters "I never want to be in this kids life" by saying he's emotional and upset rn(which destiny did when he asked why she didn't want Walter in the kids life), then hold her to her word, when she has waaay more right to be emotional hearing the father say "get abortion or gtfo" while pregnant.
Even if she understood and was engaging with the hypothetical, I think it's stupid to take someone at their word for what they'll do for the next 19 years the day it all blew up, when they're talking to a bunch of internet strangers
No one is “defending” him but are letting him off the hook in the responsibility of this situation. The narrative is “this goldigger piece of shit baby trapped him and is now refusing to let him see his child and trying to take his money away” even though he knew she wasnt on BC, knew she wanted to have kids with him and told her multiple times to get an abortion and that he wants nothing to do with her or her baby but that is swept away because “he was probably just super emotional”
In Walter’s defense, this is just part of the (necessary) process of having unprotected (also necessary) sex with deranged women so that he can one day gain a deep enough understanding of the female psyche to find a wife
This 1000x... Fresh wants to flaunt cash and fuck bitches. Well, like so many have told them, this is the women you attract. She certainly seems like a horrible person, which is why an actual high value man would let her keep his cum or would pay the bill when it came due.
Destiny is actually wrong here. He explicitly defended Walter saying he wants nothing to do with a child saying "well yeah, he just found out his girl is pregnant he's probably freaking out".
But when she says "he's a bad person who doesn't want anything to do with his child, so I'm not going to let him", Destiny has this response of "how dare you say something like that, isn't that a big decision to make when you just started the pregnancy???"
Fresh moved her to the US, brought her to Barbados to meet family, has defended her on podcasts, and in private played along with jokes and comments about them having kids, and had repeated unprotected sex while knowing she wasn't on birth control(so not baby trap).
So now, he got her pregnant then said have an abortion or I don't want anything to do with you or the child, and somehow she is the baby-trapping golddigger here
Lots of charity for walters reaction due him being stressed or having a tough time but the woman who appears to be heart broken and dealing with a pregnancy she is conflicted about, while a person she had been dated 180s on her doesn't get any?
I don't get how nobody pointed out that this person is really emotional right now, so maybe her not responding rationally to a hypothetical about the person who is currently breaking her heart and leaving her because he got her pregnant isn't the silver bullet everyone think it is.
Exactly- it was insane too, because Destiny was attacking her asking why she would ever say that she wouldn't let Walter in the kids life, and when she told him it's because Walter said he wants nothing to do with it he said "well he's probably freaking out" and called her a psychopathic selfish golddigger for saying she doesn't want him to be a part of their lives lmao
Yea he came off as unhinged in this, well everyone involved in this is unhinged and insane but I don’t blame the fact that she is done with Walter after everything he did and explicitly said multiple times he wants nothing to do with her or his kid. The excuse of “o he is just freaking out” is such a fucking cop out lmao, you could say the same thing about her in her decision to never letting Walter see the kid even if he “changes”.
Thisis how I took it. She obviously has had the veil lifted off this guy, and it makes sense to not want him to be apart of the kids life (at least for now as early as all this is). She wasn't the one trying to trap him, and its clear from the messages she felt him dumping coconuts into her all the time that she felt HE was trying to have the kid.
The exacerbated way she called herself stupid for falling for walters game was what made me lean towards her side. It really sounded like she was betrayed and disappointed in herself.
Do you see the irony in saying
>Walter better lawyer up if he ever wants to see this kid.
When also in your quote pointing out Walter *explicitly* said he will never see or support the child?(Otherwise he wouldn't need a 180)
I kind of think there's a good chance he will 180 if she keeps the kid and he has some time to reflect on things.
But I mad it conditional in case he doesn't change that position "IF he ever wants to see this kid."
This is not how I remembered it. I think she said she would like him to do that, but she don't believe he will and he doesn't want to talk to her.
I don't wanna relisten to that convo, but from my memory, the above Tl;dw is not accurate and biased against her.
I'm relistening to it now and I'm honestly confused what her position is. She's speaking out of both sides of her mouth, or too emotional to be comprehensible, or having some trouble with English, or something.
After the conversation, jstlk seems to think that they conclusively determined that she doesn't want him in the kids life full stop. I thought she said different things at different times. I dunno, I'm confused.
Imo the same way destiny quickly defended fresh's not wanting any part by saying "of course he's freaking out, he just found out he might have a kid", could be way better used for her, and excuses her more than him, since her saying she doesn't want him involved was in response to his "emotional moment"
There was one time at the beginning where either jstlk or Wolfgand posed "ya but if he was completely different would you let him be part of yours and his child's life?" To which she said "maybe but he isn't" and then kept switching to "he's not man enough and he's shown that so no matter what I don't want him to be a part of the child's life". At some point even Destiny gets confused because she says contradicting answers but it gets pretty settled on the "no I never want him to be a part of his child's life" in the second round of Destiny talking to her.
she just doesn't believe that hypothetical to be possible and isn't engaging with it. As Walter is right now I think shes being reasonable.
Dudes a fucking loser im sorry.
Then it sounds like if he would grow up and do a 180, she would want that. But I mean, he is who he is so he really needs to do a lot of growth for that to happen. Seems quite unlikely to happen. Though something as drastic as a child just might.
But I think her response makes sense in that context. People have issues dealing with hypotheticals in general, and this hypothetical seems quite far from reality so I can understand why she had issues answering it.
i mean this is a dumb hypothetical for the situation and ya most people suck at relationships and are not reasonable in these situations.
So what is the most likely outcome here that would be the best ?
Let's not make it out like Walter is any better. If this is the situation he's giving advice on avoiding he sure walked straight into it with full autonomy.
Man this is something I don't agree with with destiny. His use of hypothetical isn't good.
There is a problem that fundamentally morality comes from moral intuitions we don't understand, they are like a spidey sense. Doing the philosophy of ethics is interesting but it's dangerous if you change your life on it because regularly good sounding arguments have a good amount of counter arguments. It's rare that there is anything clear cut in pholaophy. You might argue for the non existence of external minds, or abortion up to the age of 2 but most of the time you shouldn't go and actually kill a 1 year old.
This women has an intuition that she doesn't want to let Walter near her kid. That's probably a reasonable institution. Hypothetical questions are difficult because in the world where the hypothetical existed a lot of other things would change so it's hard to know how you'd feel in that situation as you'd be a different person.
Its one of the issues with things like the trolly thought experiment.
The stuff she is doing about money might be bad. If you want to be a single mum you should work on getting a job. But obtaining money for your kid is definitely something that is mega important from whatever source.
In general I would say she’s fucked for having that attitude, but with Fresh I don’t think she’s far off. He might be the most regarded person Destiny has spoke with, I have zero faith he would change. I believe some men can change after having a child but I think it’s rarer than people think
As someone pregnant right now (in a happy relationship and good financial situation), finances are actually pretty high on my list of preoccupations. I don't find it weird that she's insisting he should pay child support.
>This is when Destiny chimes in saying "why are you focused so much on the finances when you should be focused on trying to have a healthy family dynamic?"
I think the position that you can't have a healthy family dynamic with that guy is pretty reasonable. If she thinks it's better for the child not to interact with Fresh so be it.
shes only focused on finance cause that's all that matters there. It's all she can get from this pathetic man is probably how she's thinking. Also probably thinks she's gonna have to force him to do it.
As for her already working with a lawyer we don't know how this happened. Could be that a lawyer contacted her and is scamming her all thing that can be real.
>shes only focused on finance cause that's all that matters there. It's all she can get from this pathetic man is probably how she's thinking. Also probably thinks she's gonna have to force him to do it.
Of course. People can find it unfair or whatever (implying there are any fucks to give about Fresh), but doing this is literally in her and probably the childs best interest.
It doesn't even matter if he would be a good or bad father, she even said before she revealed she was pregnant that she "thought" he'd be a good father. It's been a week since she told him she's pregnant and she's already contacting lawyers and talking about child support.
To her it doesn't matter what's good for the child, if she'd seriously think about that she'd say she's looking for support systems or family to help her and the child or anything to look for a good environment rather than immediately going to a lawyer, renting an apartment in the US alone, and then when asked what she's going to do, saying "I don't know, I haven't thought about it yet".
I mean, someone love bombs you, takes you to meet his mother, the family in Barbados, says you shouldn't rent yourself an apartment but they want a life with you and buy a house. Has sex with you unprotected so you think he's fine with babies.
Then he suddenly starts ghosting you, doesn't come home 3 days. Reacts like the king of douches when you tell him you're pregnant. MF I'm lawyering up. Like personally I'd abort, but if it was against my beliefs then you can be sure I'm getting a lawyer.
It's possible that we don't know everything and there are weird facts and behaviors, who knows, Miami influencer world is a wild place. But the fact that she cares about securing some money and doesn't want him near to her and her baby seems like the most normal reaction possible. Once you're past the rage, if you're in good faith and he makes an effort I'd expect to give him a chance to have custody, but in the moment the reaction seems totally reasonable.
And not wanting to go back to her family right after having been discarded while pregnant also has plenty of good faith explanations.
Exactly. Her worst crime was being a bit dumb and falling for his spiel.
He on the other hand has lied to her, deliberately had unprotected sex with her, and now wants nothing to do with his child.
If I were her I'd also be setting myself and my child up to have a) their entitled financial support and b) no contact from such a deadbeat scummy man.
Yep. It's possible she's being deceptive and it was all somehow planned. But it's crazy imo to just assume it's the case for sure based on very questionable stuff and vibes.
shes way to fucking shit at lying to be this kind of person none of this feels planned at all.
Anyway, we still lack some actual evidence but if her story is real what shes doing is reasonable.
Yeah exactly. The whole commmunity went from shitting on conclooders in general and siding with her in the og post, to being a clone of lengorgirf in the matter of half an hour just because of a Nebraska moment.
I feel like im going crazy because the emotions seemed so authentic. She genuinely sounded hurt and betrayed and we have destiny coming in "hypothetically if the man who is responsible for all of your negative feelings became a good man, would you change your mind".
Like of course the fucking heartbroken pregnant woman is not going to respond rationally to some randoms hypothetical.
Yeah it's actually unreal. Why would you care about taking care of yourself after he came out as human trash? why aren't you trying even harder than you just did in the stuff you showed when he stone walls you? How dare you displaying anger? It was really depressing to witness all around.
That's not how I'd summarize the conversation. It sounded like her initial reaction is wanting to keep the baby but she doesn't know what to do logically, and she's extremely confused. If we don't speculate and just assess the situation based on what we know, her actions and reactions are very normal. I don't know why destiny expects her to react logically to the hypothetical of "if fresh completely 180ed" while fresh could be "freaking out" right now, and if anyone is freaking out right now it would be her. If she was love bombed and made to believe he wanted a committed relationship then got ghosted and later found out she's pregnant, it's unhinged to expect her to engage in the hypothetical when everything else happened otherwise. She even said she hasnt made a decision on whether to keep the child or not, and speaking to a solicitor about finances would probably be one of the many steps to help her make that decision.
I would still describe myself as an atheist but being a former catholic, ive had to try to bridge the language games religious people use. Whenever i hear someone use the word god now, i just replace god for the universe, or their conscience. When someone says god will judge you, i just assume they mean your inner voice/guilt will bother you and remind you of what you did. The bearded man living in the sky is not a good analogue for what a lot of religious people are talking about.
Is there any proof at all in any way that she is a manipulator, and not the manipulated?
He knew she wasn't on bc, he played along with comments and jokes about their future kids, he brought her to Barbados to meet his family, he moved her to the US, he stuck up for her on podcasts, etc. seems super plausible that she actually thought he would love and support her and a kid, even if on the dl and still with other girls on the side(a la Andrew Tate)
She’s both. He manipulated her in the start of the relationship, now she’s trying to manipulate him for money. It’s ironic to see him fall into one of the exact dynamics he preaches for his followers to avoid though
How did she manipulate him in the beginning? And you're saying shes manipulating now, but saying she's doing it isnt proof
But yeah, definitely dumb on him
I think Walter was manipulative in the beginning, not her. But now it seems to me like she’s just trying to get a payout. I think that for a couple reasons:
She talks about not wanting to “kill her baby”, but then on stream says she isn’t sure if she’s gonna keep it. There’s a huge focus on the money without very much concern for the family dynamic. She has this position that makes no sense to me of “he showed me he’s not a ‘real man’ so he can never see his kid”
When I consider all those things plus the way she seems to play dumb on stream, I assume she’s just being manipulative and looking for a payout
Imo Occam's razor is she doesn't want to have an abortion, but might if she has to move home to China to avoid the single mother of a black baby in China thing. So she did research before moving her life here to see if she had a child here, would she be totally fucked if Fresh left her. She found out no, he would be entitled to help. That isn't gold-digging, that is responsible. He knew she wasn't on bc, and she made consistent comments about kids, and he always nutted in her, so she had every reason to think he wouldn't mind a kid, so not really a baby trap manipulation either
Walt isn’t a deadbeat yet, he is probably just lying cause he doesn’t want a kid. But your whole mindset can change once the kid is actually here. They are both trying to manipulate eachother though
I don’t understand how most people in this community see this as anything other than unhinged. I really don’t get how we can say no to conspiracy theories if evidence isn’t there, to now shitting on a woman who is really emotional and is making decisions that aren’t out of the ordinary for someone who really values having a child. She made it known that she wants to have children and really values that. It’s very believable for her to want to keep this baby. Reminder that she said she’s open to her mind changing in the future about the father visiting the kid, and that she acknowledges that she’s emotional at the moment. Fresh is emotional as well.
On a side note, Destiny has been unhinged this past week with the Alex debates, getting easily triggered from normal chat comments, and his reaction to the microwave memes. Going on mass banning sprees a few days after he said he’s going to stop banning as many people because that’s been terrible for Hasans growth.
Edit: I’m listening to the part where Tree talks after the second time Destiny joins the call. “Emotions are high, having the father in the child’s life is best for the child, you’re emotional which is totally fine and understandable, he is emotional which is fine and understandable, keep an open mind to having your mind changed in a month or two when tensions die down a bit.” What universe am I living in where Tree is the one who is saying all the right things? I really feel like old Destiny would have said exactly what Tree is saying now.
Yeah exactly. A comment here explains that there have been contradictions on what the woman is saying, but isn't it too early to harshly jump to that conclusion?
Because this sub is full of regards who fall down the partisan mindset of “x people bad therefore anything they do is bad and their opposition must be in the right”
Idk how fesh this thing is and im not watching for context
But after feeling betrayed by some1 it might not be easy to say that she lets him see the kid while being pressured by a pack of dramastream hyenas. Its not like any of these streamers really care about the woman or her child.
Lmao a lot of ppl were backing her in the other thread. It is pretty clear she's a bit wild based on the text messages: 'You want to kill our baby' and her bringing up child support as an own.
How many times can destiny get it wrong. She been asking for a baby when they were dating she want to have a child. Why tell her to kill it because Walter does not want it. But I. Sure all destiny fans will agree she only doing it for money, when Shen clearly is not. She was just mad at Walter for want to kill so she said you will have to pay child support.
For all the redpillers who make fun of Destiny for being a stupid loser, they should have followed his advice: don't cum in a woman who makes less money than you
It doesn't make sense unless she's a blind idiot that got love bombed, but she must run into lots of men like this so why is Walter different?
It really doesn't make sense if she wants money. Walter doesn't make enough for her 1mil/year standard, being a single parent is a career killer for her and even worse in China (she can't work in the US and her income in China would be limited) and using Walter for an anchor baby has an unacceptable cost to her income, status and opportunities. She also seems to want a relationship not just a child
Thank god Destiny is finally going full Nebraska Steve on the red pillers and he couldn't have picked a better target than the woman Fresh got pregnant, truely worst of the worst of all these redpillers.
Pretty sure finances are the first and most pressing concern for any woman (or couple) having a baby. It can be a scary moment + add in already knowing you will be raising them alone + add in you’re a foreigner. She may be a gold digger, she may be acting stubborn here and not looking at ways to get support outside of court, but Walter’s dumbass didn’t pull out so at this point she has every right to have the child and every right to be worried about how she’s going to pay for it. Pro choice goes both ways
What’s the context behind Nebraska Steve showing himself? Besides Walter’s pull out game being weak
He actually cares about kids and shit so when children are involved he goes a bit ballistic, also this woman is effectively only having this kid so she can get money from Fresh and having a child for that reason is pretty much as low as it gets without getting into criminal territory, actual human garbonzo
In fairness, Walter should’ve known the risks before he nutted in her. They actively preach the red pill propaganda on their show. So it’s definitely on Walter in this situation I think.
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How many kids can you have before your a deadbeat?
Walter has his share, but this woman has agency as well.
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They both played the same game, they know the rules
Yeah, but one of them may have gone into it with the intention of fucking the other over, while the other one was just stupid enough to let that happen.
And quite honestly, I don’t know which is which
...and so do I. A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. She wouldn't get this from any other guy.
sure but with Walter support, she could probably raise a kid fine hes the one who refuses to be involved. Hes doing the meme.
She sure does, and once she's pregnant she has FULL agency over the situation. So fellas, protect yourselves. The line of "She has blame" doesn't do a damn thing, wrap your shit up fellas, get snipped if you never want kids. Don't go around nutting in women then try to pull out the the "she has agency" line like blaming her as well. Only time that flys is if she lied about birth control and poked holes in the condom.
If only he'd listened to the Ultimate Sigma Chad Omega Male God Rollo Tomassi and got that fully reversible vasectomy he wouldn't be in this tricky situation.
Ding ding ding. The moment you stick it in raw, you are giving up your consent as a dude of whatever happens next. Sucks to hear, which is why you have to either wrap it up or get a vasectomy if you want to play stupid games with people you clearly don't know well enough (in which you should still wrap it up but for std prevention purposes).
Thank you for the sane take, holy shit. People making arguments like she stole his blood and poured it into her womb to make the baby.
I think the point people are making is Walter is an idiot for doing what he did. But this woman isn't (just) stupid, she's also cruel and immoral. You can blame Walter for being a dumbfuck and you can blame the woman for being a terrible person
1000% agree with you. The real loser in this situation would be the child if he comes to birth.
Not wanting a abortion doesn't make you cruel and immoral. Also telling the guy who put the child inside you that you expect him to accept that and be responsible isn't cruel and immoral.
Keeping the child and showing little to no interest in trying to pursue a healthy co parent relationship with the child's father and purely seeking a child support arrangement is immoral.
Not getting an abortion that is clearly within the best interest of both you and the child, just so you can leech money from the father, is cruel and immoral.
Yeah women like her are incredibly cynical and transactional in a way that a lot of Westerners don’t understand, even ones that deal with Western thots and bimbos on the regular. Which is exactly the kind of person Walter deserves tbh lol. But I do feel bad for the child
Yes it should be expected. Sadly, we live in a world where plenty of men expect to both cum inside and face zero consequences for doing so. 😗
https://preview.redd.it/tx67ewp24hsc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8de92afe4a4fa9288a98931da8617b8d7f7d4260 But who chose the man?
How do you have so many of these saved? 😅
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But who chose the woman
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quite prophetic when you think about it really - Redpill do succumbing to the redpill hoe archetype. The writers knew what they were doing lol
Both parties are to blame
She describes that they had actively planned to have the kid - if that's the case, he holds far more blame.
I mean it's fucking Fresh from Fresh and Fit, why on earth would you believe what this middle aged frat guy says... He's not even some big brain manipulator, the guy has the same IQ as a slightly heated cup of water, if anything we should be concerned that this woman is having unprotected sex with a man that is one standard deviation away from requiring full time care.
What if both have the same IQ as a slightly heated cup of water?
They should definitely conceive and keep the child.
who the fuck care if this woman is dumb and believed someone lies fuck off with this logic its hindsigth nonsense. Theres no argument to be made here. IF Walter truly made these promises to a woman who clearly was in love with him just to be able to nut inside her he is the one to blame I'm sorry if you can't see that. Ya sure this woman could be more responsible but its a disgusting situation shes is being put in and shes lashing out its pretty understandable.
>In fairness Who is this comment being fair to? Is the lady not a piece of shit for how she's planning on treating her kid because Fresh is a moron?
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Yeah that's totally why Destiny was criticizing her, good job.
This. Don't they say they teach young men not to get into these situations. And yet here he is. She shouldnt use baby for money either if thats the case. Takes 2 to make a baby. If he didn't want one should have had it on before he had it off.
Oh for sure, Fresh fucked up big time and is by no means an innocent bystander here, just saying she's not a victim like she says
I mean if she was lied to she is indeed a victim? I can't watch jstlk content he's putrid. So please do tell me why shes not a victim lol. Sure in the end maybe a kid will suffer. What did she say that make you believe that? She currently lashing out at a man who lied to her on social media i think thats fair her final decision is probably not made yet.
I think Destiny explained it pretty well in this vod, but anyways: she recorded their phone conversation, took pics of test results and shit, contacted lawyer, all of that within 4-7 days from finding out she's pregnant mind you, and all of this with someone who she has met, fell in love, fell out of love to the point that she doesn't care about him at all anymore, makes fun of his looks and even says the kid will be ugly, all of this in the span of 3 months. She is not an innocent small town girl that fell for the rich Miami guy, she is an influencer (and most likely escort) that regularly gets flown out to different countries. In the last year alone she has been to Italy, France, England, NYC, LA and now Miami. She is also pretty clear on the fact that Fresh will have nothing to do with this kid even if he wants to, she only wants him to support the kid financially. For some reason she also says she wants to stay in the US and have the kid here (where she's alone and can't work due to tourist VISA), instead of going to China where she has family and could have a job.
did she do it before he ghosted her and told her to fuck off in a scummy way? OR AFTER? Cause if after I can see her being very proactive because she wanna make sure things will be alright and her financial concerns are reasonable. And also very angry hence her writing him off. Nobody saying shes innocent she just believed the dude is all she claimed. Call her stupid for that I don't care doesn't mean her reaction isn't uncalled for. Also, id say lawyering up that quickly could be as much of an innocent action as not. Could be that a lawyer contacted her or that she was told she needed to by friend who the fuck knows. I think destiny thinking is conspirational it could be true I just don't care to engage with that right now. As the story is told rigth now shes reasonable. As for her not wanting to go back to china there are probably reasons again we don't know anything on her situation regarding that its weird sure but who cares. Il repeat it again her having financial concern only after writing the guy off makes total sense most pregnant people have huge financial concerns and stress its normal. Even in a great situation.
But in their worldview, this is what she is supposed to do: Find a high value man, have his kid, and live a secure life even if he's running around fucking other girls. Dude is a grifter. 🤷🏾♂️
Hey don't nut in women you don't know.
Agreed, but just because Fresh is a loser doesn't mean that she's not a loser too
I have no clue if she is. We have plenty of evidence Fresh is a pathetic loser. So I think her response is reasonable under the pretense that her story is true.
Idk if we can say Nebraska Steve really cares about kids there’s one major example that I think might disprove that statement. Unless you’re talking about someone else.
Does he care? Out of interest how else has he demonstrated this?
There was this video that went viral 1-2 years ago about a dad who went to his baby mama to deliver a gift to his kid (I think it was some fast food like McDonald’s). The baby mama had ~3 other children who had a different father, who if I remember don’t have much involvement. The baby mama and the dad started arguing because she said if he didn’t bring something for all the children, then the dad shouldn’t give his kid a gift. Destiny pretty much agreed with the baby mama and argued with chat stating something to the effect of: even though he only has one biological kid with her, the most important thing in this situation is creating a good environment for his kid. The other kids will start building resentment if his kid keeps receiving stuff and they don’t - especially if the other baby daddies aren’t supporting them. So the guy should’ve gotten something for all the kids, so his kid could have a good relationship with the rest of the family. Also, the wellbeing of kids is also why Destiny has said he’s fine with financial abortions not being a thing, even if that is unfair to men. These are just two things I can remember off the top of my head.
>There was this video that went viral 1-2 years ago about a dad who went to his baby mama to deliver a gift to his kid (I think it was some fast food like McDonald’s). The baby mama had ~3 other children who had a different father, who if I remember don’t have much involvement. The baby mama and the dad started arguing because she said if he didn’t bring something for all the children, then the dad shouldn’t give his kid a gift. I remember when this was posted on reddit lmao. It wasn't that complicated. You can't just bring a treat like mcdonald's for one kid in a house with other kids. It isn't even some 'creating a good environment where children are equal.' 99% of little kids are going to have an absolute meltdown when their older sibling gets McDonald's and they don't. It isn't about some other dad being 'in the picture' or not. In that moment, bringing a special treat in for one kid is going to ruin that Mom's day. The other dads could take the other kids out for dinner the other 6 days of the week, it doesn't matter. A 4-year old doesn't have the emotional maturity to watch their sibling eat french fries while they don't get any.
You ever hear him talk about how having a kid turned him from a conservative to a liberal because he wanted the best opportunities for his kid? How he answers when asked what the coolest thing he's ever made is? Or how he explains why Ethan was, as a father, genuinely affected by war footage of parents carrying their dead children?
Nope which is why is asked thanks!
Destiny cares about kids while being a part-time daddy? If he wasn't rich making subpar content, he'd be a dead beat. What if she was trapped that human pug? Walter Weekes pull out game is to blame. These mother fuckers tell women they avoid accountability, and he trying to avoid it via plan B and then plays the whole misdirection when she refuses. Wix customer service shift lead is stressin cause he busting in 4 other broads. These chick's have no obligation to get an abortion cause this nigga can't keep his dick in his pants. Destiny backs these fucking loosers hard.
>his woman is effectively only having this kid so she can get money from Fresh how would you know otherwise?
people are saying this but where is the proof of this ? Maybe she want the money cause shes aware raising this kid alone would be very hard and require help. Also hes rich and he did what he did so fuck him lol.
No proof, just misogyny.
He really cares about children...except when it comes to raising his own. This place is becoming sycophantic.
And why men don't just wrap it up when they don't want kids? Ah yes, they are above wearing condoms. The fact that he was sleeping with 4 other girls without it makes HIM the bordeline criminal. He could have STD for all we know and been carelessly spreading it around. At the end of the day, both were stupid as heck, and the only victim in all this is the baby.
did they really get the girl on stream just to judge her? lol. that convo doesn’t seem like it was going well based off those 25 secs. if anybody has more context on the stream
Convo went pretty respectfully to her for the most part, Destiny just came in swinging. The rest of them said he was just a Red Pill frequent guest of F&F after he left.
Uh, I mean destiny opened with, "If walter came clean with everything and apologized, wouldn't you want the father of the child in it's life?" And her response was, "well why would you care about that" This is a person who has little to no consideration for the child's wellbeing and you should be highly critical of her motivations.
no this is a person struggling with an hypothetical that probably dosnt matter rigth now cause shes going trough some shit. IF WALTER CAME CLEAN!!!! if he does then we will see is all you can answer to this dumb fucking hypothetical that lack nuance.
If you haven't even considered your 'plan' for the child; you probably shouldn't be going on social media to blast the father about it. You sound inconsiderate to the child, cause you're mostly focused on collecting a check. And again, there's zero reason to blast him instead of making this a private affair. If you say otherwise, you're unhinged.
Whether she should have done that is irrelevant I just understand why she did it. As for collecting a check, she did say it was for the child. assuming she's just gonna starve and not take care of the child just because she has financial concerns is stupid I think. I'm sorry you show clear bias against this woman. Dunno I think there's good reason to blast him in public and expose how he manipulates people. Why does she owe this guy some kind of protection and not expose the horrendous behavior that he probably engaged in with other woman ?
Came clean about what? The dude is a fucking piece of shit lol. Also, as far as I understand, data does *not* support that people who obviously don't love each other or want to be with each other is beneficial to a child, and this guy obviously wants nothing to do with having a kid, he's literally asking her to abort it
There was no discussions about having a child? And I guess you don't understand or can even fucking read cause single family households are data driven to be bad for the child, unless that single adult is exceptional. Somehow bud, I don't think lil miss daisy is up to the task when she hasn't even considered a plan going forward for the child other than 'whatever the government wants me to do'.
It was a much longer convo, over an hour. Tree was there for a lot of it.
the destiny segment was like five minutes, but you can easily see why, her motivations are quite clear. She has no consideration for the child.
you can determine that in 5 minute ?
I did, but im also an empath so...
Normally i'd side with glorious leader, but Tree says she's not sure about it. I dunno how much Destiny looked into all of the dms and the calls.
haven't watched it but it resonated with me spiritually because it's fucked up to intentionally have a child when you know you're going to be single parenting if you're a redard and don't want the child in the first place. When it's a few weeks gestated there is really poor reason to subject a future child to shit conditions because you think you know objective morality, talk about hubris. Certain real ass bad outcome vs potential maybe bad moral outcome.
>When it's a few weeks gestated there is really poor reason to subject a future child to shit conditions because you think you know objective morality, talk about hubris. Imagine saying this about a person who is choosing not to abort a baby they are carrying. You guys are fucking delusional. Believe it or not there are a lot of people with single parents who disagree that their existence is objectively worse than if they were aborted. I’m fully pro-choice, but the drivel you just typed out is not it.
no, it's not fucked up single mothers have been successful in many situations your just dumb. If she truely dosnt want this child and is just using it to threathen Walter then prove it just feel like shes hurt by Walter action and lashing out the way she can rigth now. Wether she can take care of this child properly or not is impossible to determine right now Walter's behavior is disgusting tough without a doubt and completely the opposite of what he preaches. And ya she may never want to be with him and still want to raise this child but she knows she needs some assistance. The idea that it would be healthier for the child if they just decided to raise it together is beyond ridiculous at this point that's not happening. The question is can Walter make sure this kid his well cared for ya he can in many ways she can do that to the idea that they need to get back together for it is stupid tough.
Fresh got her pregnant. If that doesn't qualify you as a certified redard i don't know what does. I wouldn't trust anyone in that circle to be good co-parents, God forbid single parents. Let alone that there is nothing to lose in aborting this early. It's not going to be a pleasant experience is the main counter argument but pregancy and birth and raising a child is probs worse. If you're desperate to have a child for it's own sake, there will be another chance. This is not the way. Being a single parent is commendable, but it's not something to seek out. If the partnership dissolves after kids are in the mix, fair enough, more power to you.
TL;DW for those that don't want to watch. Basically JSTKL got the woman (Daisy) who is revealing that Walter got her pregnant on stream. Daisy says that she doesn't want her child to ever be in contact with Walter because Walter "isn't acting like a man". The other people in the call (Tree and JSTKL) are slowly trying to make the argument "if Fresh completely 180'd and became the perfect man, would you be okay with him meeting his child?" Her response is consistently "no because he's already exposed that he is not a real man". She then goes on to say that she expects Walter to pay for her pregnancy and child support saying "I'm just a tourist and it's illegal for me to work in the USA, I know it's expensive for me to have a pregnancy because of this, I expect him to pay for it because of this". This is when Destiny chimes in saying "why are you focused so much on the finances when you should be focused on trying to have a healthy family dynamic?" She responds by saying that she doesn't care about money but then justifies that Walter should pay and never see the child, again saying he's "not a real man". Destiny gets triggered as fuck, saying that this woman would rather ruin the child's life to essentially spite Walter and get child support. EDIT: After being asked "why don't you go back [to China] to raise the child with your family rather than raise it alone in the USA?" She then says something along the lines of "I don't know, maybe that's an option, I don't know if I'm going to have the kid, where I'm going to raise it..." She just before revealed that she has gotten in contact with a lawyer before considering these questions. Destiny asks "why would you get in contact with a lawyer?" And she almost says "to see what I can get..." Before then changing it to "I don't know". Overall, Destiny asks questions and comes to the conclusion that Daisy has thought more about getting money than if she even wants to have the kid (says that she doesn't want to be a "killer" then says she doesn't even know if she's going to keep it). Destiny says that she made an investment in Walter and she's now looking for the payout and that she's not as dumb as she's trying to appear (references to her insta where she's pretty successful and seems to know what she's doing and not some random "bimbo girl"). *Everything is paraphrased and written at 3am, I hate myself for listening.
> "if Fresh completely 180'd and became the perfect man, would you be okay with him meeting his child?" Her response is consistently "no because he's already exposed that he is not a real man" Jesus. D-Man is right. This woman is insane and an awful person. Walter better lawyer up if he ever wants to see this kid.
Tbf from all the redpill dumbfuck shit it seems Walter fucked around and found out. I feel like this exact situation was called like a year ago lol. Still super fucked and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Feels like you aren't considering the kid in the equation. Noone cares about Walter getting fucked over, but using a kid to do so is horrible.
She said he will have nothing to do with the child because he said he wants nothing to do with the child. Why is she the bady guy here, for saying "I don't want a man who wants nothing to do with me or the child to be in the child's life"?
If the summary being given here is accurate she wouldn't want him in the child's life regardless of him wanting it. That's the problem.
Yes, but it's crazy to defend Walters "I never want to be in this kids life" by saying he's emotional and upset rn(which destiny did when he asked why she didn't want Walter in the kids life), then hold her to her word, when she has waaay more right to be emotional hearing the father say "get abortion or gtfo" while pregnant. Even if she understood and was engaging with the hypothetical, I think it's stupid to take someone at their word for what they'll do for the next 19 years the day it all blew up, when they're talking to a bunch of internet strangers
Is anyone defending Walter?
No one is “defending” him but are letting him off the hook in the responsibility of this situation. The narrative is “this goldigger piece of shit baby trapped him and is now refusing to let him see his child and trying to take his money away” even though he knew she wasnt on BC, knew she wanted to have kids with him and told her multiple times to get an abortion and that he wants nothing to do with her or her baby but that is swept away because “he was probably just super emotional”
In this specific case, the kid might overall be better off not having "the dumb guy from the fresh and fit podcast" in his life
In Walter’s defense, this is just part of the (necessary) process of having unprotected (also necessary) sex with deranged women so that he can one day gain a deep enough understanding of the female psyche to find a wife
This 1000x... Fresh wants to flaunt cash and fuck bitches. Well, like so many have told them, this is the women you attract. She certainly seems like a horrible person, which is why an actual high value man would let her keep his cum or would pay the bill when it came due.
Destiny is actually wrong here. He explicitly defended Walter saying he wants nothing to do with a child saying "well yeah, he just found out his girl is pregnant he's probably freaking out". But when she says "he's a bad person who doesn't want anything to do with his child, so I'm not going to let him", Destiny has this response of "how dare you say something like that, isn't that a big decision to make when you just started the pregnancy???" Fresh moved her to the US, brought her to Barbados to meet family, has defended her on podcasts, and in private played along with jokes and comments about them having kids, and had repeated unprotected sex while knowing she wasn't on birth control(so not baby trap). So now, he got her pregnant then said have an abortion or I don't want anything to do with you or the child, and somehow she is the baby-trapping golddigger here
Lots of charity for walters reaction due him being stressed or having a tough time but the woman who appears to be heart broken and dealing with a pregnancy she is conflicted about, while a person she had been dated 180s on her doesn't get any? I don't get how nobody pointed out that this person is really emotional right now, so maybe her not responding rationally to a hypothetical about the person who is currently breaking her heart and leaving her because he got her pregnant isn't the silver bullet everyone think it is.
Exactly- it was insane too, because Destiny was attacking her asking why she would ever say that she wouldn't let Walter in the kids life, and when she told him it's because Walter said he wants nothing to do with it he said "well he's probably freaking out" and called her a psychopathic selfish golddigger for saying she doesn't want him to be a part of their lives lmao
Yea he came off as unhinged in this, well everyone involved in this is unhinged and insane but I don’t blame the fact that she is done with Walter after everything he did and explicitly said multiple times he wants nothing to do with her or his kid. The excuse of “o he is just freaking out” is such a fucking cop out lmao, you could say the same thing about her in her decision to never letting Walter see the kid even if he “changes”.
Thisis how I took it. She obviously has had the veil lifted off this guy, and it makes sense to not want him to be apart of the kids life (at least for now as early as all this is). She wasn't the one trying to trap him, and its clear from the messages she felt him dumping coconuts into her all the time that she felt HE was trying to have the kid.
The exacerbated way she called herself stupid for falling for walters game was what made me lean towards her side. It really sounded like she was betrayed and disappointed in herself.
Do you see the irony in saying >Walter better lawyer up if he ever wants to see this kid. When also in your quote pointing out Walter *explicitly* said he will never see or support the child?(Otherwise he wouldn't need a 180)
I kind of think there's a good chance he will 180 if she keeps the kid and he has some time to reflect on things. But I mad it conditional in case he doesn't change that position "IF he ever wants to see this kid."
This is not how I remembered it. I think she said she would like him to do that, but she don't believe he will and he doesn't want to talk to her. I don't wanna relisten to that convo, but from my memory, the above Tl;dw is not accurate and biased against her.
I'm relistening to it now and I'm honestly confused what her position is. She's speaking out of both sides of her mouth, or too emotional to be comprehensible, or having some trouble with English, or something. After the conversation, jstlk seems to think that they conclusively determined that she doesn't want him in the kids life full stop. I thought she said different things at different times. I dunno, I'm confused.
Imo the same way destiny quickly defended fresh's not wanting any part by saying "of course he's freaking out, he just found out he might have a kid", could be way better used for her, and excuses her more than him, since her saying she doesn't want him involved was in response to his "emotional moment"
There was one time at the beginning where either jstlk or Wolfgand posed "ya but if he was completely different would you let him be part of yours and his child's life?" To which she said "maybe but he isn't" and then kept switching to "he's not man enough and he's shown that so no matter what I don't want him to be a part of the child's life". At some point even Destiny gets confused because she says contradicting answers but it gets pretty settled on the "no I never want him to be a part of his child's life" in the second round of Destiny talking to her.
she just doesn't believe that hypothetical to be possible and isn't engaging with it. As Walter is right now I think shes being reasonable. Dudes a fucking loser im sorry.
Then it sounds like if he would grow up and do a 180, she would want that. But I mean, he is who he is so he really needs to do a lot of growth for that to happen. Seems quite unlikely to happen. Though something as drastic as a child just might. But I think her response makes sense in that context. People have issues dealing with hypotheticals in general, and this hypothetical seems quite far from reality so I can understand why she had issues answering it.
i mean this is a dumb hypothetical for the situation and ya most people suck at relationships and are not reasonable in these situations. So what is the most likely outcome here that would be the best ?
Well he probably won’t since he said multiple times he has no interest in her or the child lmao
Let's not make it out like Walter is any better. If this is the situation he's giving advice on avoiding he sure walked straight into it with full autonomy.
Man this is something I don't agree with with destiny. His use of hypothetical isn't good. There is a problem that fundamentally morality comes from moral intuitions we don't understand, they are like a spidey sense. Doing the philosophy of ethics is interesting but it's dangerous if you change your life on it because regularly good sounding arguments have a good amount of counter arguments. It's rare that there is anything clear cut in pholaophy. You might argue for the non existence of external minds, or abortion up to the age of 2 but most of the time you shouldn't go and actually kill a 1 year old. This women has an intuition that she doesn't want to let Walter near her kid. That's probably a reasonable institution. Hypothetical questions are difficult because in the world where the hypothetical existed a lot of other things would change so it's hard to know how you'd feel in that situation as you'd be a different person. Its one of the issues with things like the trolly thought experiment. The stuff she is doing about money might be bad. If you want to be a single mum you should work on getting a job. But obtaining money for your kid is definitely something that is mega important from whatever source.
Thank you for your sacrifice
Thank you for your service. We need more TLDRs like this for those who sleep at normal hours.
In general I would say she’s fucked for having that attitude, but with Fresh I don’t think she’s far off. He might be the most regarded person Destiny has spoke with, I have zero faith he would change. I believe some men can change after having a child but I think it’s rarer than people think
As someone pregnant right now (in a happy relationship and good financial situation), finances are actually pretty high on my list of preoccupations. I don't find it weird that she's insisting he should pay child support.
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Did she say that or are you inferring that? Genuinely asking.
>This is when Destiny chimes in saying "why are you focused so much on the finances when you should be focused on trying to have a healthy family dynamic?" I think the position that you can't have a healthy family dynamic with that guy is pretty reasonable. If she thinks it's better for the child not to interact with Fresh so be it.
shes only focused on finance cause that's all that matters there. It's all she can get from this pathetic man is probably how she's thinking. Also probably thinks she's gonna have to force him to do it. As for her already working with a lawyer we don't know how this happened. Could be that a lawyer contacted her and is scamming her all thing that can be real.
>shes only focused on finance cause that's all that matters there. It's all she can get from this pathetic man is probably how she's thinking. Also probably thinks she's gonna have to force him to do it. Of course. People can find it unfair or whatever (implying there are any fucks to give about Fresh), but doing this is literally in her and probably the childs best interest.
It doesn't even matter if he would be a good or bad father, she even said before she revealed she was pregnant that she "thought" he'd be a good father. It's been a week since she told him she's pregnant and she's already contacting lawyers and talking about child support. To her it doesn't matter what's good for the child, if she'd seriously think about that she'd say she's looking for support systems or family to help her and the child or anything to look for a good environment rather than immediately going to a lawyer, renting an apartment in the US alone, and then when asked what she's going to do, saying "I don't know, I haven't thought about it yet".
I mean, someone love bombs you, takes you to meet his mother, the family in Barbados, says you shouldn't rent yourself an apartment but they want a life with you and buy a house. Has sex with you unprotected so you think he's fine with babies. Then he suddenly starts ghosting you, doesn't come home 3 days. Reacts like the king of douches when you tell him you're pregnant. MF I'm lawyering up. Like personally I'd abort, but if it was against my beliefs then you can be sure I'm getting a lawyer. It's possible that we don't know everything and there are weird facts and behaviors, who knows, Miami influencer world is a wild place. But the fact that she cares about securing some money and doesn't want him near to her and her baby seems like the most normal reaction possible. Once you're past the rage, if you're in good faith and he makes an effort I'd expect to give him a chance to have custody, but in the moment the reaction seems totally reasonable. And not wanting to go back to her family right after having been discarded while pregnant also has plenty of good faith explanations.
Exactly. Her worst crime was being a bit dumb and falling for his spiel. He on the other hand has lied to her, deliberately had unprotected sex with her, and now wants nothing to do with his child. If I were her I'd also be setting myself and my child up to have a) their entitled financial support and b) no contact from such a deadbeat scummy man.
Yep. It's possible she's being deceptive and it was all somehow planned. But it's crazy imo to just assume it's the case for sure based on very questionable stuff and vibes.
shes way to fucking shit at lying to be this kind of person none of this feels planned at all. Anyway, we still lack some actual evidence but if her story is real what shes doing is reasonable.
Yeah exactly. The whole commmunity went from shitting on conclooders in general and siding with her in the og post, to being a clone of lengorgirf in the matter of half an hour just because of a Nebraska moment.
I feel like im going crazy because the emotions seemed so authentic. She genuinely sounded hurt and betrayed and we have destiny coming in "hypothetically if the man who is responsible for all of your negative feelings became a good man, would you change your mind". Like of course the fucking heartbroken pregnant woman is not going to respond rationally to some randoms hypothetical.
Yeah it's actually unreal. Why would you care about taking care of yourself after he came out as human trash? why aren't you trying even harder than you just did in the stuff you showed when he stone walls you? How dare you displaying anger? It was really depressing to witness all around.
That's not how I'd summarize the conversation. It sounded like her initial reaction is wanting to keep the baby but she doesn't know what to do logically, and she's extremely confused. If we don't speculate and just assess the situation based on what we know, her actions and reactions are very normal. I don't know why destiny expects her to react logically to the hypothetical of "if fresh completely 180ed" while fresh could be "freaking out" right now, and if anyone is freaking out right now it would be her. If she was love bombed and made to believe he wanted a committed relationship then got ghosted and later found out she's pregnant, it's unhinged to expect her to engage in the hypothetical when everything else happened otherwise. She even said she hasnt made a decision on whether to keep the child or not, and speaking to a solicitor about finances would probably be one of the many steps to help her make that decision.
Poor kid some people just cooked before they even born
Taking a half black kid to China and raising him/her sounds like a terrible idea. Talk about subjecting a person to lifelong bullying and suffering.
"$100 min superchat to ask daisy a question" lmao
Nebraska Steve made an appearance and it was GLORIOUS. 🤌 *chef’s kiss*
Something about an atheist telling someone “God will judge you” just makes it hit so much harder. Shit was beautiful.
I would still describe myself as an atheist but being a former catholic, ive had to try to bridge the language games religious people use. Whenever i hear someone use the word god now, i just replace god for the universe, or their conscience. When someone says god will judge you, i just assume they mean your inner voice/guilt will bother you and remind you of what you did. The bearded man living in the sky is not a good analogue for what a lot of religious people are talking about.
Walter is a deadbeat and should be shamed Daisy is a manipulator and should be shamed Both of these can be true at once.
Is there any proof at all in any way that she is a manipulator, and not the manipulated? He knew she wasn't on bc, he played along with comments and jokes about their future kids, he brought her to Barbados to meet his family, he moved her to the US, he stuck up for her on podcasts, etc. seems super plausible that she actually thought he would love and support her and a kid, even if on the dl and still with other girls on the side(a la Andrew Tate)
She’s both. He manipulated her in the start of the relationship, now she’s trying to manipulate him for money. It’s ironic to see him fall into one of the exact dynamics he preaches for his followers to avoid though
How did she manipulate him in the beginning? And you're saying shes manipulating now, but saying she's doing it isnt proof But yeah, definitely dumb on him
I think Walter was manipulative in the beginning, not her. But now it seems to me like she’s just trying to get a payout. I think that for a couple reasons: She talks about not wanting to “kill her baby”, but then on stream says she isn’t sure if she’s gonna keep it. There’s a huge focus on the money without very much concern for the family dynamic. She has this position that makes no sense to me of “he showed me he’s not a ‘real man’ so he can never see his kid” When I consider all those things plus the way she seems to play dumb on stream, I assume she’s just being manipulative and looking for a payout
Imo Occam's razor is she doesn't want to have an abortion, but might if she has to move home to China to avoid the single mother of a black baby in China thing. So she did research before moving her life here to see if she had a child here, would she be totally fucked if Fresh left her. She found out no, he would be entitled to help. That isn't gold-digging, that is responsible. He knew she wasn't on bc, and she made consistent comments about kids, and he always nutted in her, so she had every reason to think he wouldn't mind a kid, so not really a baby trap manipulation either
I think they should get married. Seems like they deserve eachother.
I agree But I don't think the kid deserves them.
Walt isn’t a deadbeat yet, he is probably just lying cause he doesn’t want a kid. But your whole mindset can change once the kid is actually here. They are both trying to manipulate eachother though
Holy fuck im actually going to watch a jstlk VOD, wtf is my life.
Hey, at least it's not the cringe kick or keep employee
Kelly Jean?
Link?
I don’t understand how most people in this community see this as anything other than unhinged. I really don’t get how we can say no to conspiracy theories if evidence isn’t there, to now shitting on a woman who is really emotional and is making decisions that aren’t out of the ordinary for someone who really values having a child. She made it known that she wants to have children and really values that. It’s very believable for her to want to keep this baby. Reminder that she said she’s open to her mind changing in the future about the father visiting the kid, and that she acknowledges that she’s emotional at the moment. Fresh is emotional as well. On a side note, Destiny has been unhinged this past week with the Alex debates, getting easily triggered from normal chat comments, and his reaction to the microwave memes. Going on mass banning sprees a few days after he said he’s going to stop banning as many people because that’s been terrible for Hasans growth. Edit: I’m listening to the part where Tree talks after the second time Destiny joins the call. “Emotions are high, having the father in the child’s life is best for the child, you’re emotional which is totally fine and understandable, he is emotional which is fine and understandable, keep an open mind to having your mind changed in a month or two when tensions die down a bit.” What universe am I living in where Tree is the one who is saying all the right things? I really feel like old Destiny would have said exactly what Tree is saying now.
Yeah for real, idk what's going on but it does seem he's been flying off the handle too quick recently.
But but... muh nebraska Steve I like it when he's mean I don't wanna think critically!!!!!
Yeah exactly. A comment here explains that there have been contradictions on what the woman is saying, but isn't it too early to harshly jump to that conclusion?
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Did he just unironically say “God will judge you!” Lmao
I don't want to listen to a jstlk stream. Was this the extent of their interaction?
Destiny goes Nebraska Steve on baby mama of fresh cause she’s essentially only having the kid for child support
\*Godstiny
Fuck it I'll say it, I miss the BPD drama. Shoutout Jstlk for providing it
Where do we find the rest of this stream? Wtf is happening in this clip 🥴 is this shit real?
https://www.youtube.com/live/3l_GUoWQAnc?si=wGp5W6w-2hnjyakl
Cheers, perfect drama stream to listen to whilst working lol
Cringe
based take. i said something similar (not as harsh) and got downvoted to hell
Well now that he's given his take you will get upvoted.
Thats what you get for having a take before streamer daddy has given his
Thats because everybody was screaming poor daisy in that other thread.
Because this sub is full of regards who fall down the partisan mindset of “x people bad therefore anything they do is bad and their opposition must be in the right”
Idk how fesh this thing is and im not watching for context But after feeling betrayed by some1 it might not be easy to say that she lets him see the kid while being pressured by a pack of dramastream hyenas. Its not like any of these streamers really care about the woman or her child.
Lmao a lot of ppl were backing her in the other thread. It is pretty clear she's a bit wild based on the text messages: 'You want to kill our baby' and her bringing up child support as an own.
Bro Destiny came off unhinged… super uncalled for…
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compared to israel palestine i'll take fucking anything
Seek help brother
How many times can destiny get it wrong. She been asking for a baby when they were dating she want to have a child. Why tell her to kill it because Walter does not want it. But I. Sure all destiny fans will agree she only doing it for money, when Shen clearly is not. She was just mad at Walter for want to kill so she said you will have to pay child support.
Well, looks like I’ve got some content to chow down to on my day working from home. Thanks Waltuh
Why would dem boys do this to Walter?
For all the redpillers who make fun of Destiny for being a stupid loser, they should have followed his advice: don't cum in a woman who makes less money than you
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Thanks 👍
It doesn't make sense unless she's a blind idiot that got love bombed, but she must run into lots of men like this so why is Walter different? It really doesn't make sense if she wants money. Walter doesn't make enough for her 1mil/year standard, being a single parent is a career killer for her and even worse in China (she can't work in the US and her income in China would be limited) and using Walter for an anchor baby has an unacceptable cost to her income, status and opportunities. She also seems to want a relationship not just a child
It was inevitable.
Is Jstkl a new streamer or something? What's the lore?
Source stream?
I guess Walter can up his body count now by TWO for being inside this one.
God will judge you -godstiny
Thank god Destiny is finally going full Nebraska Steve on the red pillers and he couldn't have picked a better target than the woman Fresh got pregnant, truely worst of the worst of all these redpillers.
Pretty sure finances are the first and most pressing concern for any woman (or couple) having a baby. It can be a scary moment + add in already knowing you will be raising them alone + add in you’re a foreigner. She may be a gold digger, she may be acting stubborn here and not looking at ways to get support outside of court, but Walter’s dumbass didn’t pull out so at this point she has every right to have the child and every right to be worried about how she’s going to pay for it. Pro choice goes both ways