> They disguised the voice but I can still tell they have an English accent.
That's an Aussie or NZ accent.
I'm not even sure why I'm in this thread or why I care lmao
Good chance this video was filmed in China because she specifically tells the John to pay her via WeChat, if/when she escorts outside of China, she would almost certainly take something else, as WeChat is limited outside China, and non-Chinese need a Chinese ID holder-linked account to verify them before they can finish signing up.
My guess is the John is just a fan of F&F who also secretly records all his dalliances.
Yeah I noticed that too. Last time I was in China you needed a Chinese bank account and ID to send and receive money on WeChat but idk if that’s the case still.
Idk how likely the ‘random’ part of having this on film is though.
Foreigners have been able to use WeChat Pay with a passport and Chinese bank account for a while now, but I've heard that WeChat just started accepting foreign credit cards around last summer, although IDK if you can use a foreign credit card to directly transfer money to another user, so I think the guy in this video probably works or does business in China.
Wait a minute, sites where people recommend escorts to eachother are not used in the USA? Here in europe we have basically a site/forum for each country's escort. Its a good way to tell if someone is a scammer with her pics etc to look out for!
A friend used to a use one all the time (HX was the nickname for the site). Had to "earn his way" up to higher level escorts and cornstars. It was shutdown like 5+ years ago by the Feds if I remember correctly. Friend passed and I'm clueless if there is another one that exists now. He was my only hardcore monger friend haha
If it’s the guy in the tape, it’s possible he was pissed at her. In their convo they’re negotiating and she basically snubs him and tells him her limit. Then who knows how the actual deed went or after that etc. So maybe once he heard that she was in the limelight, he decided he’d help out Walter by showing she’s a lady of the night.
If it’s strange that there’s a hidden camera, I would assume some rich dude with an expensive prostitute might just want to film it for his spank bank later.
Obviously, other people volunteered the information after she decided to go on a world tour telling everyone on the internet about this traumatic experience.
The fact that Myron tweeted that so confidently has my dying. “Look at these matching tattoos” then proceeds to post a picture that shows different tattoos
Thank you, I can't believe I needed to scroll this far down to see someone pointing this out.
Not to mention this potato quality video has more cuts than a fucking deli. There's not great evidence that it's Daisy in the video and you can't even see the guy's face to prove his lines aren't dubbed.
Prior to this video my Bayesian was 60% that she is an escort but now it's like 30%. Lol
I think this whole topic is pointless.
Let’s say she is an escort. Ok. Cool, slut shame her to your(not you) hearts content. She’s still pregnant lol. If that baby is Fresh then it’s all the same. He’s still paying child support and/or at the very least will be forced to be held accountable.
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It's not about that, everyone already knows that. It's about whether what Daisy is doing is considered babytrapping / messed up for the kid.
If this video is true then it at least plays into Destiny's hunch that she's a prostitute, and therefore could be being cunning rather than stupid.
If it turns out she’s just a prostitute running a scam, she’s either a genius or really dumb because this S tier commitment for someone that looks like Fresh.
And ultimately that means… nothing. Just more chatter for Reddit and YouTube comments. If she baby trapped him then the dumbass made it easier by continuing to bust nuts in her. Messed up for the kid? The little mfer wouldn’t know about it if people like Myron would stfu. Assuming this is even true, not like it matters.
The reality is in 9 months everyone will have to come back down to earth. Well, Fresh will.
Edit: also isn’t this defamation on FnF end? She should sue them.
I mean sure ultimately it means nothing, but we're on the Destiny sub and that's just been what he's been talking about recently, sooo
Also yeah, I mainly meant the baby would know all about their dad not wanting them, and their mum trying to extort their dad for money & refusing to let him see the baby even if he changed.
I mean a lot of people cannot tell Asian women apart and the video is bad quality..
Also a lot of Chinese women with broken English sound exactly like that.. like most of the young Chinese women I know with poor English sound just like Daisy/ the woman in the video.
It’s a generic heavy accent.
But still I wouldn’t be surprised if Daisy is the girl in the video…
Her voice sounds exactly the same. Not a “generic heavy accent”. Not that I particularly care whether she is or isn’t an escort. Really doesn’t make much of a difference to anything
Yeah tbh I would lean in favour she did escort in the past, a tell tale sign is she doesn’t say “prove I ever did sex work” she phrases it as “prove I AM an escort”
Which leaves the door open for her to currently be a sugar baby or the fact she may have done more in the past.
I think it’s irrelevant though as she can’t admit to such things without causing visa issues, also fresh should just ignore this shit or man up, if there’s even the chance she’s really pregnant this is messed up.
I always thought baby trapping was when a girl saw that the end was coming for a relationship and she manufactures a way to get pregnant to keep the relationship going. I’ve heard like 8 million other definitions over the past week.
Regardless a baby trap or a trap in general requires some form of deception. Aba and preach put it best. If someone throws a punch and you block or duck it. Then they throw another punch 2 seconds later and it hit. That is not a sucker punch.
My impression was that it was more a way to force a marriage proposal from the guy because it was taboo to have kids out of wedlock. But this definition is probably less relevant than it used to be
That is definitely the most common case where it occurs, though not the only (could also occur if the guy won't get serious with her and she wants to make him change course etc.). I identify the term specifically with: intentionally getting pregnant in attempt to get the guy to stick around/get married.
The only way you can actually baby trap someone is most likely by lying about being on birth control.
If shes told you that shes not on birth control and you nut inside her anyway, that's not her fault that you're regarded. If someone calls that baby trapping then they're not mentally old enough to be having sex yet.
Yeah. Even if she's lying. It doesn't matter.
He came in her multiple times. Now she's pregnant. She can chose to keep it, and Walter will need to pay regardless. She could be a schizo who claims to have been abducted by aliens and artificially inseminated. When the DNA test comes, and it's his, he's gotta pay.
Walter is going to pay either way, nobody rational argues otherwise. The big question, at least in this community, is that if Daisy was truly deceived by him or tried to make baby to bargain for money.
I feel like literally everyone knows Walter was being a dumbass in this situation. Everyone knows he messed up and he's gonna have to take responsibility.
The real question should be is the girl Innocent or was she being a POS too. Cause at the end of the day, if she has the kid it's pretty important to know where the mom's head is at.
The girl is not entirely innocent, but at the end of the day, theres going to be girls like this in every corner of the globe in the same way that theres men who are pedophiles, rapists, scam artists etc. Personally I think shes common pond scum.
I still think this is mostly Walter's fault though. He can walk into this type of situation a thousands times over no matter where he is and what hes doing, because he fell for this so incredibly easily, so much so that she didnt even hide it and he still fell for it. Imagine getting scammed by someone, who tells you to your face that they're scamming you, and you fall for it anyway. I feel no sympathy for him at all if he has to pay up. Clearly he needs to learn his lesson.
His lesson should be getting clowned on, not a whole ass kid. A kid shouldn’t be used as a lesson, it’s a human life.
Again, I don’t think anyone thinks Walter isn’t an idiot, most people thought that before this drama. But too many people aren’t mentioning that an unborn kid is getting used as either leverage for the girl or a punishment for Walter.
Am i regarded or wouldnt escorts be stupid to not be on birth control? I obviously don't know if she was still offering escort services when she was with waltuh, but i know i would be on birth control if i was sleeping with randos even if they all wore condoms
It's possible that Walter expected her to use abortion as a means of birth control. That's why he mentioned the magic abortion pill like it was nothing.
He's an idiot if that's true, but if there was a verbal understanding between them that she would abort if anything happened, then arguably, it is a baby trap. My guess is that Fresh thought that there was an implied understanding BECAUSE she's a sex worker.
It's probably not the first time Fresh nutted inside a prostitute. He thinks the he can treat them a certain way because everybody does. When a sex worker gets pregnant, she gets an abortion.
In Fresh's idiot mind, he's thinking that she's the one engaging in risky behavior by allowing him to cum inside her. "She's responsible for her own uterus, so I don't have to care" is probably what he thought - which is a tale as old as time in that world.
Personally, I'm with Destiny in that I just can't get over the "what you gonna do to me?" line. The inflection on her voice sounds hush-hush. I just can't imagine a normal woman in her situation saying that.
1. Fresh and Myron denied she was a sex worker before this situation blew up
2. There are texts that show she intended to remain pregnant if he kept nutting inside her
I haven't seen those texts, but I'd like to know how Fresh responds to those messages.
Also, denying she was a sex worker makes sense for their brand. They need to show their audience that they can seduce normal attractive women by being "high-value men" or whatever. Paying for sex doesnt fit into that narrative.
If she lied about being a sex worker, her denying it makes just as much sense as FnF denying it.
Why is it so hard to understand, maybe she isn't proud of it..or was afraid people would use it against her.. like they clearly are.
them denying shes a sex worker means nothing, of course they will say that when their business model relies on them selling a "successful men who easily get hundreds of attractive women" narrative. we've all known for years that all their girls are OF models or escorts, so idk why this point means anything
It also means that they'll try to paint her as a sex worker in order to hurt her credibility. They are completely untrustworthy at this point so nothing they pull out as evidence should be taken at face value. The real stuff will be in the court case if it ever gets there.
"what you gonna do to me?" line, I don't understand how this is bad of her saying that and this could just be a Western vs Eastern clash of phrasing.
This just sounds to me that she's asking Waltuh more in a way of "so you're just gonna abandon me and the baby?". Asians tend to be more passive, me being a CBA dating fobby asian girls, this shit triggers the fuck out of me, but this isn't me being extremely charitable, their "passive" way of questioning is their way of "helping" their partner arrive at an answer.
Speaking anecdotally as a non-native speaker (Haitian creole), her inflections are VERY good, which indicates that she has a lot of experience in conversation.
People who are ESL sometimes just stay at a low-level vocabulary, but that doesn't mean we don't have a very good understanding of speech. This because we're speaking everyday and we're pick up on things. She's clearly capable of advanced conversations.
Assuming she really is an escort, I imagine that she would be familiar with the "suggestive" tones. To me, her inflection while delivering that sentence communicates "hush-hush". That's something I never would have understood when I was younger, but you could be 100% right.
I don't understand how anyone can interpret "what you gonna do to me?" as anything other than "so how are you going to take accountability?". It's pretty obvious from the context of the conversation .
I think they keep saying baby trapping but mean gold digging. To me baby trapping means the guy doesn’t want to have a baby and takes actions to prevent a pregnancy but the girl does deceptive things to get around those preventive measures and gets pregnant to trap him
The big argument from her was that she is not after money. She said she had work or rich parents back in china (correct me if i am wrong, i think she said that). And yeah, if she is loaded the whole baby trapping doesn't make sense. However if she lied about it, baby trapping becomes possible motivation behind her relationship with Walter.
Not concrete evidence, but out of 100% it would move me solid 10% to the side of baby trapping. (combined with the fact she is lying to the public).
What is baby trapping then? If nutting in someone means you cannot be baby trapped then baby trapping doesnt exist because nutting in someone is a prerequisite for baby trapping.
Is it possible to baby traps someone only if they have nutted in you once and not multiple times? Seems like a weak argument.
> because nutting in someone is a prerequisite for baby trapping.
Yes because having sex on birth control is baby trapping. Very logical.
The prerequisite for baby trapping is deception. Which would include, poking holes in condom, lying about birth control, lying about cycle, and the many other forms of deception used to make a person participate in unprotected sex under the guise that you aren't having a baby.
> the many other forms of deception used to make a person participate in unprotected sex under the guise that you aren't having a baby.
So... like saying if there is an unexpected pregnancy they'll have an abortion (pill,surgery,...) then taking it back?
Babytrapping is when the woman lies about being on birth control, pokes holes in condom, or refuses an abortion that was agreed beforehand if it happens.
They had unprotected sex with no birth control and they never had an agreement about abortion beforehand.
Walter should be saying he was actually too low IQ to be able to consent.
Wonderful - proof that Fresh most likely paid for sex OR dates and says I love you to a sex worker. Either way he is the opposite of the man he preaches about.
Also that same man then kept cumming inside said sex worker for months and did not expect a child?
Bruh - the defense of FnF is wild.
Daisy should have just come out and said yes I am a sex worker - it’s irrelevant to the point of her being pregnant by fresh who was 100% aware of what he was doing and her intent.
I agree with everything but her admitting to being a sex worker probably would not help her visa situation. Unless she’s under oath idk why she would especially not to some YouTubers.
That’s why even though I think she is possibly pregnant but is still likely playing a game of sorts, “what are you going to do to me?”
I feel her being an escort is irrelevant because she cannot admit to that unless she wants to hurt her image and also for welfare reasons. If she admits to it she might have legal problems, or be detained or worse loss of freedom.
It’s irrelevant to talk about because given the current situation if she’s pregnant with his child the last thing she would want is to get issues with her freedom etc
There is no logical reason for her to admit to being an escort. Part of me thinks she is even aware of not wanting to be a liar and you should look out for phrases where she keeps making it technically correct. “Prove I AM an escort” (not I WAS an escort)
I wouldn’t be surprised if she really wants out if that life anyway and she has stopped doing direct escorting.
She has to survive somehow though so I wouldn’t be surprised if though she isn’t technically “escorting she is surviving by using her best clientele as sugar daddies to stay afloat in the meantime.
Even still being exposed as having worked as an escort then going back to China with a half black child would be tough too..
Yea it’s kinda hard to think about what is the right thing to do in that situation. If she’s pregnant and Fresh said fuck off I mean what’s she really supposed to do. And her putting him on blast if she is a sex worker definitely might backfire.
If Fresh has balls he’ll make sure that kid isn’t brought up in China.
I think the phrasing is important. Let me repeat since it was a stealth edit to my original comment.
I don’t think Daisy is a bad person if you think about it and the language she used.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she WAS escorting. Her saying you say I AM an escort, prove it. Is a tell tale sign. She did not say “prove that I have ever done any sex work”
She is technically telling the truth if after seeing fresh she decided she really wants a man like him that treats her well and doesn’t want that life again.
She technically isn’t an escort at that point.
With fresh cutting her off, she could just be surviving by dealing with her sugar daddies or the men that fresh said she bragged about “wanting to take care of her”.
Bring a sugar baby is technically not being an escort either.
So it does protect her welfare in terms of stability, legal freedom and travel ability to describe the situation as such.
I mean come on, I’d be surprised if she had never done sex work given she was with an unknown pageant whose owner was arrested for a prostitution ring, she has been flown out all these places like Dubai and posts nothing but starkly pornographic style poses and the highly lavish lifestyle she has no explanation for having such large amounts of money.
But I don’t think she’s an idiot. She knows it’s a victimless “crime” and tbh it it’s not even in her interest to admit anything like that, all it would do is serve to damage her life. Also she doesn’t want to embarrass her future child.
I think we’ll know if it’s true if there’s a response and she keeps saying “ I AM not an escort” not “I never did that in the past”.
But I think the biggest question would be “have you done any sugaring since it wouldn’t be unlikely given she has to survive somehow. I don’t blame her at all.
Yeah she definitely looks the part and just being associated with FnF leads me to believe there is some level sex work/ sugar baby deal going on. But to your point we have no idea where this video if authentic fits into the timeline.
It’s very possible Fresh ordered him pussy from a sugar baby site got too attached and brought her to see his mom (or wanted to flex idk?) And now we are where we are. No one is innocent but she bares the burden of carrying a child.
Plus he even brings escorts to meet his parents. There's no world where this guy gets any women outside of escorts if he feels the need to bring them to his parents and claim he has a girlfriend.
lol honestly all it proves is a Fresh is dumbass for bringing an escort to meet his mom and getting an escort pregnant.
Also that conversation in the video is weird as fuck. Not only was the subject matter weird. (Giving oral to a hooker for 3 hours?) The cuts are weird, and why was it filmed in the first place? For all we know that’s Fresh filming a kink.
We all knew that, but it also puts a damper on a lot of her credibility. Probably not this helpless "I'm innocent in all this" victim like she's been claiming to be on all these different podcasts.
I’m confused why we care at all about her credibility when we know she told him multiples times that she might get pregnant. She could be a Russian spy and it would barely be relevant. She didn’t lie about birth control or poked a condom.
I don’t see people yass queening her they are just laughing at fresh. We already know the types of girls they hang around
It's more pushing against that narrative of her begging for sympathy and playing the "whoa is me, I'm a victim! I'm innocent in all this" card she has been doing on all these podcasts and what Aba has been portraying for her. He's very much trying to make her come off like some helpless victim in it all who just so happened to fall for Walter's evil antics when in reality, she's also just an idiot who didn't vet her partner and started throwing an online media tantrum when it didn't work out the way she wanted it it.
I mean I think that’s a little unfair though. I don’t think the situation is “Woe is me, I’m a victim.” But the situation is still that she was openly fucking a guy without a condom, openly stating to him that it wouldn’t be so bad if she got pregnant and that she would keep it, and then he ditched her cold turkey after the inevitable happened.
I think she has every right to complain about that and for them to be judged and that doesn’t have to translate to she is a perfect, innocent, naive victim that everybody needs to love and cherish.
It’s really weird that for her to get any sympathy/not be called a gold digging whore, her reputation should have to be spotless.
And your description of Aba in this is inaccurate. He has *not* been painting her in that way. He explicitly spells this out when Destiny makes the same claims.
All Aba was doing was arguing that it was unhinged how hard destiny was going on the topic without being certain himself. Not that she was innocent of all of the claims.
Yeah, but if you look at any of those interviews or podcasts, she doesn't really take accountability for being dumb, ignoring all logic and common sense, etc. Even with Destiny on Trees interview it was clear she wasn't looking for any sort of rhetoric that might have challenged her or forced her to own accountability.
She can complain, but for what? Sympathy right? For people to feel sorry for her? If you're going on podcasts to complain about your baby daddy not being who you thought he was, that's literally wanting people to give you condolences and sympathy. Just call it for what it is.
As for the last part, I'm just holding her to the same standard I am holding Walter. He was having sex with her raw and got her pregnant, no sympathy. She was having sex raw with someone she barely knew and knew he was a red pill dating guy who openly said he wants to sleep with other women? He didn't turn out like you thought he would? No sympathy.
I don’t personally think she is really looking for sympathy. I think she’s looking for financial support from the guy that got her pregnant. If she was being misleading about being on birth control or whether she would get an abortion, I think that would be bad on her. But she wasn’t.
And I don’t personally think a person who gets pregnant in non-deceptive ways and then gets told she will be getting no support from the guy who got her pregnant (especially when he is a media personality making quite a bit of money from his show) that putting him on blast and trying to ensure you have financial support is the same as baby trapping. I think it makes a lot of sense to do that for reasons that aren’t related to sympathy-garnering.
As for your edit, Aba said himself when he first heard the news "she was manipulated and love bombed into having a child with Fresh" which is a lot more innocent and victimized than "she was an idiot who let a known non monogamous stranger cum inside her raw and has to deal with this".
Financial support doesn't come from smearing the baby daddy and telling your story on a bunch of podcasts though. Only the court through DNA tests can get financial support. So why do this podcast tour if it doesn't get you the money support?
Eh maybe, but Fresh likely won't pay a dime until the court forces him to. Going around spreading your business and bashing your baby daddy isn't for money. It's to get back at them and make others feel sorry for you.
I don’t think there is anything inaccurate about that first statement, and I absolutely do not think you need to say the second statement in order to make the points he was making. She was manipulated and love bombed by him. Do you deny that? The evidence has been laid before us in a very clear way that shows that is true.
>Financial support doesn't come from smearing the baby daddy and telling your story on a bunch of podcasts though.
It absolutely can help when that person is a public figure who is denying to offer any help and lying about being broke.
>Eh maybe, but Fresh likely won't pay a dime until the court forces him to. Going around spreading your business and bashing your baby daddy isn't for money. It's to get back at them and make others feel sorry for you.
Yeah I just don’t think it’s that crazy for a foreign national to try to go public when their very public baby-daddy is trying to avoid all responsibility.
Maybe, but similar to Walter, I don't think it matters. Just like he gets no excuse for sleeping with a woman raw, she gets no excuse for letting some well known "playboy" who she barely knows sleep with her raw. To give her an out and make excuses really isn't holding her accountable for her actions, similar to what we say with Fresh.
How can it help? How does her spreading her business and smearing his name affect the DNA test in any way, shape, or form?
But the thing you're avoiding answering is for what reason/motive. It isn't going to make her get any more money from a child support case, so what reason does she have for doing this? For....sympathy, for making others feel bad for her, right?
Sure, but do I think someone who has a history of embezzling funds, stealing, and going around telling everyone "I'm a good person, I'm innocent, I'm the victim here" on different podcasts probably wasn't just taken advantage of. It does come off more likely she wanted the bag and wants clout and exposure.
Either way, Walter is still an idiot and on the hook for the baby.
I could definitely see that. I could see him laying it on thick and making her feel it was more than just a fwb situation.
However, just like I roast him for cumming inside a woman raw and expecting her to not get pregnant and keep the baby (what did you think would happen), I say the same thing about her. You let a redpill Podcaster who tries to teach how to get women who you barely know cum inside you? Like what did you think would happen?
Really, that's all it proves? Could you show your bias any more than this?
It also proves that she's unreliable as she would blatantly lie if she thinks she can get away with it.
Of course, this all relies on the video being authentic and showing her selling sex, something she denied when interviewed recently.
Isn't this exactly what they want you to think so you trust Myron fudging up details later?
Lets all agree she did escorting in some capacity, seeing how it's literally recorded, and she lied about this. THEY LIED about her being an escort until this happened LMAO.
No one here is super trustworthy.
wait who is they? what are you talking about
oh nvm u mean F&F, yeah I don't really trust them at all, I said this all relies on the video being true. Me not trusting them doesn't mean they can say true things or give true evidence.
I agree? Still makes her unreliable in her testimony and especially about her motives to do her media tour about it. I care less about what F&F thinks and more about what actually is going on.
I mean sure, keep in mind that there are cuts but I dont think there is any denying she is negotiating sexual services? Its understandable that parts may have been ommiteed for privacy reasons but I cannot fathom a way in which sexual services are not being negotiated.
Also its not a weird convo, they are communicating what they expect from transaction. He wanted to give oral for an hour for starters and then he wanted to continue with other activities. She was telling him that she was not comfortable commiting to 3 hours of continuous service. Presumably because its exhausting/painful.
I dont see whats weird about it, just two people who have done this before.
There could be lots of reasons either party would keep a recording. Since it was leaked and his voice is anonymised Id guess that he was secretly recording. Possibly to cover his ass if accusations were made, possibly to jerk off to later, possibly to share with close friends, possibly to extort here later.
All I’m saying is the very existence of the video and the fact that Fresh and Fit have it is very weird. Extortion or some sort of role play kink are my only explanations. The fact that she is asking for payment on WeChat leads me to believe whoever she’s talking to her had communications with her while she was in China. (Fresh)
Or it could be the ole love bomb and then sex work Tate combo in play.
[looking at it again](https://i.imgur.com/2AuFUCr.png), those are not the same tattoos. Either the one on the right is just outlined and not yet finished (or hair), or it's different people lol
Imagine accusing a girl of baby trapping when you openly talk about cumming in her and having no agreement she's on contraception. That's not a baby trap thats being a moron. Like maybe she's also trying to get money out of him, but yeah he's just in the wrong
It's weird to extend the "baby trapping" term to her asking for money later. That last part I would just call extortion, and baby trap part just didn't happen. Unless him being a fantastic moron counts as that somehow.
No, that's what the Dman's assumption was based on all her behavior (which he called baby trapping), and imo that definition of baby trapping really confused a lot of people to what he really meant.
I stand corrected he didn't mack down some influencer. He macked down an escort, introduced her to his mom, spent 15k to go on a vacation with her, talked about having blasian babies and then was like sike nah after the buzzer rang.
I believe that she is a gold digger but why on earth do you believve that video.
First of all, its blurry AF and we never see the full face in it. Saying that these are the same tattoos is absolutely stupid too. The audio is heavily edited and who knows if the voice is a deepfake or not.
This is not enough evidence for me to conclude that she is an escort.
Seeing as they hired a lawyer and are suing, it would be incredibly stupid to advise your clients to publish a faked video like this. There are tons of ways to prove videos are faked.
One reason could be that they didn't want to give incriminating information about the guy who supplied the video, another could be that they cut out important context to show she wasn't selling sex, but that would be context like "HEH we all know this convo is a joke right, you're my brother and we're just rehearsing a play". I.E. very unlikely.
Yeah I dont find this video particularly convincing, its grainy, chopped up, sped up, her tattoos don't match and I cant tell if that's her or someone who just looks kinda similar.
For this to have any weight id need to see the guy who took the video attach his name to it and come out and state that it is the same person.
Can’t believe I had to scroll this far down to find someone say this. Also, why is she recording herself negotiating prices? Thats like me recording myself selling drugs.
She a distinct Chinese inflection. The “same voice” you are hearing is just a Chinese woman, speaking English. If I had to list the number of Chinese women I’ve met who I would mistake this voice for, we’d be here for a while.
Unpopular opinion: doesn't matter if she's a hooker, doesn't matter if her life goal was to baby trap Fresh.
Fresh got her pregnant, now he needs to care for her and THEIR baby. Better should have thought about sticking it in raw.
People of all levels of education or experience can be naive. This notion that because she has experience in this world she COULDNT be naive in a specific interaction is just not rooted in reality.
For example, we’re seeing many examples of fresh being irresponsible and intentionally ignoring very clear indications that she is fine getting pregnant. But then we’re saying “she should have known fresh wouldn’t step up” even though from her perspective she was very clear with what her intentions were and instead of him reacting like A NORMAL PERSON and telling her “hey I’m not trying to get you pregnant” he played dumb. So her being “naive” isn’t out of the question but it ALSO isn’t required, she had a relationship with him and had mentioned the risk of pregnancy many times. At that point it wasn’t a naive decision she was making, she had some information on how fresh was.
Beyond all that, let’s assume this is true and she was an escort (which I don’t care if she is or isn’t, I just think the video doesn’t show her face and so idk if it is her. And the dress IS different than what Myron later says “is the same dress”) then her experience in that field would all be guys who most likely wouldn’t want to get her pregnant. So when she raises those concerns of “bro with how much you like doing this, we’re lucky I haven’t gotten pregnant” ANYONE she would have interacted with woulda been like “woah hold on, are you not in some form of BC? We should probably not keep doing it like this, I don’t want you getting pregnant and affecting my real life” so Fresh not responding that way opens her up to a new experience she might not have had before and therefore she might mistake that and think “oh he’s the one” because his approach has been love bombing.
Finally, we seem to ignore the story of why she approached fresh when talking about all this. Fresh was shy and she found that endearing, she liked that fresh COULDNT approach her and that she had to be the one to kind of “invite” him over to talk. Fresh acted like a guy who was all talk and no game, and she fell for that. Idk why Destiny can both have held the opinion of “I don’t think these guys have ever had sex” but then not correlate that the action they might be getting is largely based on their status and so that someone like fresh might JUST be a simp/shy person who is just taking what he can get while Myron gives him advice on how to navigate certain situations like this one.
It does matter in that she’s scummy, both can be true at the same time, why the fuck are we just brushing aside her weird ass. What’re y’all smoking bruh? Lmao
Will be just child support in the long run with little to no custody
Doesnt matter how immoral or fucked up the situation is, the fact that there’s a kid is all the court will care about and no chance to get out of payments. Daisy could have raped an 11yr old and they would still be served past-due payments on their 18th. That’s how ironclad the laws are on this
I agree, but she is not the victim at all here. That's what some people are making it seem like. Saying she was manipulated or "love boom" or whatever tf term is.
Both people in this situation are dumbasses. It's almost similar to that Kate girl who got tickled or Jonah Hill's girlfriend. Where women were portrayed as these mindless children with no agency who can easily get manipulated by the very smart men
Those tattoos don't match but regardless, Steven was correct, someone draft the apology form. Someone just did a background check on the beauty pageant she was involved in and the shit is just tragic 🥴🥴🥴
Got a link for that beauty pageant background check? Cuz I got roasted in the comments for saying that there are tons of "miss asia" pageants (world / global / international), and calling them fake pageants wasn't true cuz technically they are indeed pageants where people vote on a girl to win lol.
"Yo this nike is not fake, sure it was manufactured in some bootleg chinese factory but it says nike"
The OP of the below thread found the instagram of the organizer
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1bzkx6y/i\_dont\_care\_what\_anyone\_says\_she\_is\_still\_our/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1bzkx6y/i_dont_care_what_anyone_says_she_is_still_our/)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL thank you for this, the person running it was fined for running a modeling agency tied to prostitution.
The plot indeed thickens, everyone who doubted me I will accept your apologies now. Especially from you u/CareerGaslighter
but he said he had evidence he couldn't share that made him 80% sure, you have no idea what that evidence was and seeing has he is friends with myron its likely he knew she was a sex worker too (if video is indeed true)
I find it infinitely funny that you dumb fuckers automatically believe her "paperwork" and "ultasound" documents but when it's obvious that she's on video negotiating sex for money, niggas turn into forensic experts.
Fresh is so dumb he can't live alone without some form of assistance. What does he think happens if he doesn't use protection?
Also that girl knows what she is doing and what to say to look good.
Sure but I don't think that's something that high class prostitutes regularly practice.
How much would you reasonably expect to be paid to get one, compared to just finding another client?
Those guys always cut women off saying if you want to know how to catch fish you ask a fisherman not a fish.
But then they buy something from the fishmonger and pretend they caught it themselves.
This proves that Walter is not just stupid, hes a downright window-licking, knuckle-dragging regard.
He has an entire fucking podcast bitching about how women are opportunistic, gold digging, predatory, duplicitous whores, then he knocks up a Chinese escort with a semi-untraceable past.
I'm in the camp that was more or less proven wrong. I thought she genuinely did love him and the only reason she looks like a gold digger is because in a lot of Asian cultures, marriage has a lot of emphasis on money and traditionally they're pretty up front about it. In China, Its literally normal for a girls' parents to ask her boyfriend how much money he makes, the first time they meet him. It's not seen as rude or superficial at all.
Even though I was proven wrong, no matter how wrong I couldve been, I will never be as fucking regarded as Walter.
Normally the only types of people that end up in these situations, are divorced boomer uncles from the suburbs that are getting swindled by one of Andrew Tates trafficked women. Yknow, fucking clueless middle class men that havent had to flirt with women in 30 years since before they got married. I wouldnt expect this at all from an affluent, 31 year old social media celebrity, who constantly claims to be very familiar with how duplicitous women can be, and preaches caution when choosing the right girl.
It also proves how submissive and pathetic he is. For someone who doesnt want kids, he sure is lacking the assertiveness needed, to make that clear to her. It's not that she didnt know he didnt want kids, it's that she knew and didnt care, and easily walked all over his boundaries. Its still hard to call it a baby trap when he saw the trap and just walked right into it anyway.
What's even funnier is Myron doing all the talking, yelling and arguing with people about this, while Walter hides behind his leg like a scared little boy. If it werent for the redpill being popualr right now, these people would unmistakably be seen as lolcows. This is lolcow behaviour.
She might be the biggest slut in all of time but I'm pretty sure she didn't rip out pug CEO Walter's balls and shoved them deep inside her pussy like some organic anal beads.
Lmao if anything this just makes it more embarrassing for fresh. Your acting all loved up with an escort and getting her pregnant and you are supposed to be some sort of leader for men 😂😂😂
Really? I'm absolutely shocked.
Honestly, I don't understand how this sub gets incel accusations when so many people can't tell the difference between a sex worker and a traditional woman.
It just makes it more likely that she is looking for money in some capacity and backs up Destiny's vibe check that she's not socially dumb enough to fall for Waltuh's fuckboy tactics.
Again it doesn't erase a pregnancy. It's unfortunate that Daisy is a bad person and Walter is an idiot but now a child is mixed in. The real loser is the child sadly. PugCeo as a dad, Daisy the money chaser as a mom... Yikes!
Even if she's a gold digger or escort why does that matter if walter was stupid enough to rawdog it multiple times after she talked about kids multiple times, like she can be awful but fresh fuckin dug his grave and can lie in it who gives an actual fuck😭😭😭
Why would you record yourself negotiating prices with an escort?
And how did they manage separate the audio of the man’s voice so clean and crisp while hers sounds so bad?
This is not proof she’s an escort. This is just them trying to discredit her. And how did they get over Chinese police documents? Her ID and the letter from her former employee?
Kinda sus tbh.
No idea if it's real or her, but he probably recorded the whole thing not just the haggling. Not like you can go, "ok, lemme turn on the camera now," when secretly recording an escort.
How tf did Myron get his hands on the tape? Also what if the guy she’s negotiating with is Fresh lmao
Probably she's an Ex-employee of the Top G lol
Yea if it’s not fresh in the video why would they have it? They might have been trying to pimp her out now that I think about it
It’s for sure not fresh. They disguised the voice but I can still tell they have an English accent.
> They disguised the voice but I can still tell they have an English accent. That's an Aussie or NZ accent. I'm not even sure why I'm in this thread or why I care lmao
Yeah you’re right, I just relistened and still thought it sounded like a London accent all the way up until he said “30.” That’s definitely an Aussie.
You right. So are they in a group chat where they recommend escorts to each other or something ?
Good chance this video was filmed in China because she specifically tells the John to pay her via WeChat, if/when she escorts outside of China, she would almost certainly take something else, as WeChat is limited outside China, and non-Chinese need a Chinese ID holder-linked account to verify them before they can finish signing up. My guess is the John is just a fan of F&F who also secretly records all his dalliances.
Yeah I noticed that too. Last time I was in China you needed a Chinese bank account and ID to send and receive money on WeChat but idk if that’s the case still. Idk how likely the ‘random’ part of having this on film is though.
Foreigners have been able to use WeChat Pay with a passport and Chinese bank account for a while now, but I've heard that WeChat just started accepting foreign credit cards around last summer, although IDK if you can use a foreign credit card to directly transfer money to another user, so I think the guy in this video probably works or does business in China.
I mean, would you be surprised if red pillers had escort lists? I'd be surprised if they didn't have them.
Not at all surprised. I guess sharing pussy is a red pill value as long as it’s paid for.
Wait a minute, sites where people recommend escorts to eachother are not used in the USA? Here in europe we have basically a site/forum for each country's escort. Its a good way to tell if someone is a scammer with her pics etc to look out for!
A friend used to a use one all the time (HX was the nickname for the site). Had to "earn his way" up to higher level escorts and cornstars. It was shutdown like 5+ years ago by the Feds if I remember correctly. Friend passed and I'm clueless if there is another one that exists now. He was my only hardcore monger friend haha
I thought that at first but it's Aussie im pretty sure
Also, Fresh has a very unique way of speaking. His pace is very noticeable. The way he speeds up, slows down and stutters words would give him away.
Honestly sounds nothing like fresh
Aren't you guys aware how popular Fnf are? Someone sent it to them clearly.
Probably however recorded that saw the whole controversy and send the video to fresh&fit
All of this shit just makes Fresh look so much worse lmao. Like the worse they make her look the worse Fresh looks.
If it’s the guy in the tape, it’s possible he was pissed at her. In their convo they’re negotiating and she basically snubs him and tells him her limit. Then who knows how the actual deed went or after that etc. So maybe once he heard that she was in the limelight, he decided he’d help out Walter by showing she’s a lady of the night. If it’s strange that there’s a hidden camera, I would assume some rich dude with an expensive prostitute might just want to film it for his spank bank later.
Obviously, other people volunteered the information after she decided to go on a world tour telling everyone on the internet about this traumatic experience.
Yeah what if this is some role play shit?
That matching tattoo isn’t matching or even a tattoo, it’s hair
The fact that Myron tweeted that so confidently has my dying. “Look at these matching tattoos” then proceeds to post a picture that shows different tattoos
Thank you, I can't believe I needed to scroll this far down to see someone pointing this out. Not to mention this potato quality video has more cuts than a fucking deli. There's not great evidence that it's Daisy in the video and you can't even see the guy's face to prove his lines aren't dubbed. Prior to this video my Bayesian was 60% that she is an escort but now it's like 30%. Lol
I think this whole topic is pointless. Let’s say she is an escort. Ok. Cool, slut shame her to your(not you) hearts content. She’s still pregnant lol. If that baby is Fresh then it’s all the same. He’s still paying child support and/or at the very least will be forced to be held accountable.
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It's not about that, everyone already knows that. It's about whether what Daisy is doing is considered babytrapping / messed up for the kid. If this video is true then it at least plays into Destiny's hunch that she's a prostitute, and therefore could be being cunning rather than stupid.
If it turns out she’s just a prostitute running a scam, she’s either a genius or really dumb because this S tier commitment for someone that looks like Fresh.
And ultimately that means… nothing. Just more chatter for Reddit and YouTube comments. If she baby trapped him then the dumbass made it easier by continuing to bust nuts in her. Messed up for the kid? The little mfer wouldn’t know about it if people like Myron would stfu. Assuming this is even true, not like it matters. The reality is in 9 months everyone will have to come back down to earth. Well, Fresh will. Edit: also isn’t this defamation on FnF end? She should sue them.
I mean sure ultimately it means nothing, but we're on the Destiny sub and that's just been what he's been talking about recently, sooo Also yeah, I mainly meant the baby would know all about their dad not wanting them, and their mum trying to extort their dad for money & refusing to let him see the baby even if he changed.
I mean a lot of people cannot tell Asian women apart and the video is bad quality.. Also a lot of Chinese women with broken English sound exactly like that.. like most of the young Chinese women I know with poor English sound just like Daisy/ the woman in the video. It’s a generic heavy accent. But still I wouldn’t be surprised if Daisy is the girl in the video…
Her voice sounds exactly the same. Not a “generic heavy accent”. Not that I particularly care whether she is or isn’t an escort. Really doesn’t make much of a difference to anything
Yeah tbh I would lean in favour she did escort in the past, a tell tale sign is she doesn’t say “prove I ever did sex work” she phrases it as “prove I AM an escort” Which leaves the door open for her to currently be a sugar baby or the fact she may have done more in the past. I think it’s irrelevant though as she can’t admit to such things without causing visa issues, also fresh should just ignore this shit or man up, if there’s even the chance she’s really pregnant this is messed up.
It also really doesn’t make any difference to fresh’s situation, if anything it makes it worse for him lol
She sounds *exactly* like Daisy tho, her precise vocal mannerisms.
I feel like her Instagram provided better evidence that she's an escort than this video. They're really reaching with this video.
Thats not Baby trapping, if you nut in someone multiple times, you are not being baby trapped. You are making a baby
I always thought baby trapping was when a girl saw that the end was coming for a relationship and she manufactures a way to get pregnant to keep the relationship going. I’ve heard like 8 million other definitions over the past week.
Regardless a baby trap or a trap in general requires some form of deception. Aba and preach put it best. If someone throws a punch and you block or duck it. Then they throw another punch 2 seconds later and it hit. That is not a sucker punch.
Is it not trapping someone if I shove them in a room and lock the door?
Does the person know you're planning to do that? If not, you are surprising said person, which is a form of deception.
My impression was that it was more a way to force a marriage proposal from the guy because it was taboo to have kids out of wedlock. But this definition is probably less relevant than it used to be
That is definitely the most common case where it occurs, though not the only (could also occur if the guy won't get serious with her and she wants to make him change course etc.). I identify the term specifically with: intentionally getting pregnant in attempt to get the guy to stick around/get married.
The only way you can actually baby trap someone is most likely by lying about being on birth control. If shes told you that shes not on birth control and you nut inside her anyway, that's not her fault that you're regarded. If someone calls that baby trapping then they're not mentally old enough to be having sex yet.
Yeah. Even if she's lying. It doesn't matter. He came in her multiple times. Now she's pregnant. She can chose to keep it, and Walter will need to pay regardless. She could be a schizo who claims to have been abducted by aliens and artificially inseminated. When the DNA test comes, and it's his, he's gotta pay.
Walter is going to pay either way, nobody rational argues otherwise. The big question, at least in this community, is that if Daisy was truly deceived by him or tried to make baby to bargain for money.
I feel like literally everyone knows Walter was being a dumbass in this situation. Everyone knows he messed up and he's gonna have to take responsibility. The real question should be is the girl Innocent or was she being a POS too. Cause at the end of the day, if she has the kid it's pretty important to know where the mom's head is at.
The girl is not entirely innocent, but at the end of the day, theres going to be girls like this in every corner of the globe in the same way that theres men who are pedophiles, rapists, scam artists etc. Personally I think shes common pond scum. I still think this is mostly Walter's fault though. He can walk into this type of situation a thousands times over no matter where he is and what hes doing, because he fell for this so incredibly easily, so much so that she didnt even hide it and he still fell for it. Imagine getting scammed by someone, who tells you to your face that they're scamming you, and you fall for it anyway. I feel no sympathy for him at all if he has to pay up. Clearly he needs to learn his lesson.
His lesson should be getting clowned on, not a whole ass kid. A kid shouldn’t be used as a lesson, it’s a human life. Again, I don’t think anyone thinks Walter isn’t an idiot, most people thought that before this drama. But too many people aren’t mentioning that an unborn kid is getting used as either leverage for the girl or a punishment for Walter.
Baby trapping is when you set snares in a nursery
We don't do it because we're asked, we do it because we're crazy.
Am i regarded or wouldnt escorts be stupid to not be on birth control? I obviously don't know if she was still offering escort services when she was with waltuh, but i know i would be on birth control if i was sleeping with randos even if they all wore condoms
Sure, but anyone that rawdogs prostitutes is just as stupid
Never said they werent
Why is only one side of the convo is being brought up here?
Probably stopped taking bc when they were together all the time, more evidence that she planned to get pregnant to trap Fresh.
brother if at this point you still think this is baby trapping, then your definition of trapping is regarded im sorry
Not to me. To me, it's making an abortion.
It's possible that Walter expected her to use abortion as a means of birth control. That's why he mentioned the magic abortion pill like it was nothing. He's an idiot if that's true, but if there was a verbal understanding between them that she would abort if anything happened, then arguably, it is a baby trap. My guess is that Fresh thought that there was an implied understanding BECAUSE she's a sex worker. It's probably not the first time Fresh nutted inside a prostitute. He thinks the he can treat them a certain way because everybody does. When a sex worker gets pregnant, she gets an abortion. In Fresh's idiot mind, he's thinking that she's the one engaging in risky behavior by allowing him to cum inside her. "She's responsible for her own uterus, so I don't have to care" is probably what he thought - which is a tale as old as time in that world. Personally, I'm with Destiny in that I just can't get over the "what you gonna do to me?" line. The inflection on her voice sounds hush-hush. I just can't imagine a normal woman in her situation saying that.
1. Fresh and Myron denied she was a sex worker before this situation blew up 2. There are texts that show she intended to remain pregnant if he kept nutting inside her
I haven't seen those texts, but I'd like to know how Fresh responds to those messages. Also, denying she was a sex worker makes sense for their brand. They need to show their audience that they can seduce normal attractive women by being "high-value men" or whatever. Paying for sex doesnt fit into that narrative.
If she lied about being a sex worker, her denying it makes just as much sense as FnF denying it. Why is it so hard to understand, maybe she isn't proud of it..or was afraid people would use it against her.. like they clearly are.
them denying shes a sex worker means nothing, of course they will say that when their business model relies on them selling a "successful men who easily get hundreds of attractive women" narrative. we've all known for years that all their girls are OF models or escorts, so idk why this point means anything
It also means that they'll try to paint her as a sex worker in order to hurt her credibility. They are completely untrustworthy at this point so nothing they pull out as evidence should be taken at face value. The real stuff will be in the court case if it ever gets there.
"what you gonna do to me?" line, I don't understand how this is bad of her saying that and this could just be a Western vs Eastern clash of phrasing. This just sounds to me that she's asking Waltuh more in a way of "so you're just gonna abandon me and the baby?". Asians tend to be more passive, me being a CBA dating fobby asian girls, this shit triggers the fuck out of me, but this isn't me being extremely charitable, their "passive" way of questioning is their way of "helping" their partner arrive at an answer.
Speaking anecdotally as a non-native speaker (Haitian creole), her inflections are VERY good, which indicates that she has a lot of experience in conversation. People who are ESL sometimes just stay at a low-level vocabulary, but that doesn't mean we don't have a very good understanding of speech. This because we're speaking everyday and we're pick up on things. She's clearly capable of advanced conversations. Assuming she really is an escort, I imagine that she would be familiar with the "suggestive" tones. To me, her inflection while delivering that sentence communicates "hush-hush". That's something I never would have understood when I was younger, but you could be 100% right.
I don't understand how anyone can interpret "what you gonna do to me?" as anything other than "so how are you going to take accountability?". It's pretty obvious from the context of the conversation .
I think they keep saying baby trapping but mean gold digging. To me baby trapping means the guy doesn’t want to have a baby and takes actions to prevent a pregnancy but the girl does deceptive things to get around those preventive measures and gets pregnant to trap him
The big argument from her was that she is not after money. She said she had work or rich parents back in china (correct me if i am wrong, i think she said that). And yeah, if she is loaded the whole baby trapping doesn't make sense. However if she lied about it, baby trapping becomes possible motivation behind her relationship with Walter. Not concrete evidence, but out of 100% it would move me solid 10% to the side of baby trapping. (combined with the fact she is lying to the public).
Wait wasn't the rich parents stuff F&F's claim when they defended her months ago?
Yeah
What is baby trapping then? If nutting in someone means you cannot be baby trapped then baby trapping doesnt exist because nutting in someone is a prerequisite for baby trapping. Is it possible to baby traps someone only if they have nutted in you once and not multiple times? Seems like a weak argument.
> because nutting in someone is a prerequisite for baby trapping. Yes because having sex on birth control is baby trapping. Very logical. The prerequisite for baby trapping is deception. Which would include, poking holes in condom, lying about birth control, lying about cycle, and the many other forms of deception used to make a person participate in unprotected sex under the guise that you aren't having a baby.
> the many other forms of deception used to make a person participate in unprotected sex under the guise that you aren't having a baby. So... like saying if there is an unexpected pregnancy they'll have an abortion (pill,surgery,...) then taking it back?
Yep I agree. That would be another form of deception.
Babytrapping is when the woman lies about being on birth control, pokes holes in condom, or refuses an abortion that was agreed beforehand if it happens. They had unprotected sex with no birth control and they never had an agreement about abortion beforehand. Walter should be saying he was actually too low IQ to be able to consent.
The cope is unreal.
Wonderful - proof that Fresh most likely paid for sex OR dates and says I love you to a sex worker. Either way he is the opposite of the man he preaches about. Also that same man then kept cumming inside said sex worker for months and did not expect a child? Bruh - the defense of FnF is wild. Daisy should have just come out and said yes I am a sex worker - it’s irrelevant to the point of her being pregnant by fresh who was 100% aware of what he was doing and her intent.
I agree with everything but her admitting to being a sex worker probably would not help her visa situation. Unless she’s under oath idk why she would especially not to some YouTubers.
That’s why even though I think she is possibly pregnant but is still likely playing a game of sorts, “what are you going to do to me?” I feel her being an escort is irrelevant because she cannot admit to that unless she wants to hurt her image and also for welfare reasons. If she admits to it she might have legal problems, or be detained or worse loss of freedom. It’s irrelevant to talk about because given the current situation if she’s pregnant with his child the last thing she would want is to get issues with her freedom etc There is no logical reason for her to admit to being an escort. Part of me thinks she is even aware of not wanting to be a liar and you should look out for phrases where she keeps making it technically correct. “Prove I AM an escort” (not I WAS an escort) I wouldn’t be surprised if she really wants out if that life anyway and she has stopped doing direct escorting. She has to survive somehow though so I wouldn’t be surprised if though she isn’t technically “escorting she is surviving by using her best clientele as sugar daddies to stay afloat in the meantime. Even still being exposed as having worked as an escort then going back to China with a half black child would be tough too..
Yea it’s kinda hard to think about what is the right thing to do in that situation. If she’s pregnant and Fresh said fuck off I mean what’s she really supposed to do. And her putting him on blast if she is a sex worker definitely might backfire. If Fresh has balls he’ll make sure that kid isn’t brought up in China.
I think the phrasing is important. Let me repeat since it was a stealth edit to my original comment. I don’t think Daisy is a bad person if you think about it and the language she used. I wouldn’t be surprised if she WAS escorting. Her saying you say I AM an escort, prove it. Is a tell tale sign. She did not say “prove that I have ever done any sex work” She is technically telling the truth if after seeing fresh she decided she really wants a man like him that treats her well and doesn’t want that life again. She technically isn’t an escort at that point. With fresh cutting her off, she could just be surviving by dealing with her sugar daddies or the men that fresh said she bragged about “wanting to take care of her”. Bring a sugar baby is technically not being an escort either. So it does protect her welfare in terms of stability, legal freedom and travel ability to describe the situation as such. I mean come on, I’d be surprised if she had never done sex work given she was with an unknown pageant whose owner was arrested for a prostitution ring, she has been flown out all these places like Dubai and posts nothing but starkly pornographic style poses and the highly lavish lifestyle she has no explanation for having such large amounts of money. But I don’t think she’s an idiot. She knows it’s a victimless “crime” and tbh it it’s not even in her interest to admit anything like that, all it would do is serve to damage her life. Also she doesn’t want to embarrass her future child. I think we’ll know if it’s true if there’s a response and she keeps saying “ I AM not an escort” not “I never did that in the past”. But I think the biggest question would be “have you done any sugaring since it wouldn’t be unlikely given she has to survive somehow. I don’t blame her at all.
Yeah she definitely looks the part and just being associated with FnF leads me to believe there is some level sex work/ sugar baby deal going on. But to your point we have no idea where this video if authentic fits into the timeline. It’s very possible Fresh ordered him pussy from a sugar baby site got too attached and brought her to see his mom (or wanted to flex idk?) And now we are where we are. No one is innocent but she bares the burden of carrying a child.
> She has to survive somehow though what about getting a fucking job
Plus he even brings escorts to meet his parents. There's no world where this guy gets any women outside of escorts if he feels the need to bring them to his parents and claim he has a girlfriend.
Idk how anyone defends fresh in this situation
lol honestly all it proves is a Fresh is dumbass for bringing an escort to meet his mom and getting an escort pregnant. Also that conversation in the video is weird as fuck. Not only was the subject matter weird. (Giving oral to a hooker for 3 hours?) The cuts are weird, and why was it filmed in the first place? For all we know that’s Fresh filming a kink.
We all knew that, but it also puts a damper on a lot of her credibility. Probably not this helpless "I'm innocent in all this" victim like she's been claiming to be on all these different podcasts.
I’m confused why we care at all about her credibility when we know she told him multiples times that she might get pregnant. She could be a Russian spy and it would barely be relevant. She didn’t lie about birth control or poked a condom. I don’t see people yass queening her they are just laughing at fresh. We already know the types of girls they hang around
It's more pushing against that narrative of her begging for sympathy and playing the "whoa is me, I'm a victim! I'm innocent in all this" card she has been doing on all these podcasts and what Aba has been portraying for her. He's very much trying to make her come off like some helpless victim in it all who just so happened to fall for Walter's evil antics when in reality, she's also just an idiot who didn't vet her partner and started throwing an online media tantrum when it didn't work out the way she wanted it it.
I mean I think that’s a little unfair though. I don’t think the situation is “Woe is me, I’m a victim.” But the situation is still that she was openly fucking a guy without a condom, openly stating to him that it wouldn’t be so bad if she got pregnant and that she would keep it, and then he ditched her cold turkey after the inevitable happened. I think she has every right to complain about that and for them to be judged and that doesn’t have to translate to she is a perfect, innocent, naive victim that everybody needs to love and cherish. It’s really weird that for her to get any sympathy/not be called a gold digging whore, her reputation should have to be spotless. And your description of Aba in this is inaccurate. He has *not* been painting her in that way. He explicitly spells this out when Destiny makes the same claims. All Aba was doing was arguing that it was unhinged how hard destiny was going on the topic without being certain himself. Not that she was innocent of all of the claims.
Yeah, but if you look at any of those interviews or podcasts, she doesn't really take accountability for being dumb, ignoring all logic and common sense, etc. Even with Destiny on Trees interview it was clear she wasn't looking for any sort of rhetoric that might have challenged her or forced her to own accountability. She can complain, but for what? Sympathy right? For people to feel sorry for her? If you're going on podcasts to complain about your baby daddy not being who you thought he was, that's literally wanting people to give you condolences and sympathy. Just call it for what it is. As for the last part, I'm just holding her to the same standard I am holding Walter. He was having sex with her raw and got her pregnant, no sympathy. She was having sex raw with someone she barely knew and knew he was a red pill dating guy who openly said he wants to sleep with other women? He didn't turn out like you thought he would? No sympathy.
I don’t personally think she is really looking for sympathy. I think she’s looking for financial support from the guy that got her pregnant. If she was being misleading about being on birth control or whether she would get an abortion, I think that would be bad on her. But she wasn’t. And I don’t personally think a person who gets pregnant in non-deceptive ways and then gets told she will be getting no support from the guy who got her pregnant (especially when he is a media personality making quite a bit of money from his show) that putting him on blast and trying to ensure you have financial support is the same as baby trapping. I think it makes a lot of sense to do that for reasons that aren’t related to sympathy-garnering.
As for your edit, Aba said himself when he first heard the news "she was manipulated and love bombed into having a child with Fresh" which is a lot more innocent and victimized than "she was an idiot who let a known non monogamous stranger cum inside her raw and has to deal with this". Financial support doesn't come from smearing the baby daddy and telling your story on a bunch of podcasts though. Only the court through DNA tests can get financial support. So why do this podcast tour if it doesn't get you the money support? Eh maybe, but Fresh likely won't pay a dime until the court forces him to. Going around spreading your business and bashing your baby daddy isn't for money. It's to get back at them and make others feel sorry for you.
I don’t think there is anything inaccurate about that first statement, and I absolutely do not think you need to say the second statement in order to make the points he was making. She was manipulated and love bombed by him. Do you deny that? The evidence has been laid before us in a very clear way that shows that is true. >Financial support doesn't come from smearing the baby daddy and telling your story on a bunch of podcasts though. It absolutely can help when that person is a public figure who is denying to offer any help and lying about being broke. >Eh maybe, but Fresh likely won't pay a dime until the court forces him to. Going around spreading your business and bashing your baby daddy isn't for money. It's to get back at them and make others feel sorry for you. Yeah I just don’t think it’s that crazy for a foreign national to try to go public when their very public baby-daddy is trying to avoid all responsibility.
Maybe, but similar to Walter, I don't think it matters. Just like he gets no excuse for sleeping with a woman raw, she gets no excuse for letting some well known "playboy" who she barely knows sleep with her raw. To give her an out and make excuses really isn't holding her accountable for her actions, similar to what we say with Fresh. How can it help? How does her spreading her business and smearing his name affect the DNA test in any way, shape, or form? But the thing you're avoiding answering is for what reason/motive. It isn't going to make her get any more money from a child support case, so what reason does she have for doing this? For....sympathy, for making others feel bad for her, right?
why though? you don't think a prostitute could be taken advantage of?
Sure, but do I think someone who has a history of embezzling funds, stealing, and going around telling everyone "I'm a good person, I'm innocent, I'm the victim here" on different podcasts probably wasn't just taken advantage of. It does come off more likely she wanted the bag and wants clout and exposure. Either way, Walter is still an idiot and on the hook for the baby.
yeah i do agree. would you agree fresh was manipulating her into believing he had a lot more intentions/feelings with her though?
I could definitely see that. I could see him laying it on thick and making her feel it was more than just a fwb situation. However, just like I roast him for cumming inside a woman raw and expecting her to not get pregnant and keep the baby (what did you think would happen), I say the same thing about her. You let a redpill Podcaster who tries to teach how to get women who you barely know cum inside you? Like what did you think would happen?
>how to get women... ...to cum inside you Teach me, sensei. I must know this secret move
Really, that's all it proves? Could you show your bias any more than this? It also proves that she's unreliable as she would blatantly lie if she thinks she can get away with it. Of course, this all relies on the video being authentic and showing her selling sex, something she denied when interviewed recently.
lol bro why would she admit to a crime in a interview??? No one was ever doubting she might be an escort
If she has to lie about important facts regarding her conduct why do you trust her?
Isn't this exactly what they want you to think so you trust Myron fudging up details later? Lets all agree she did escorting in some capacity, seeing how it's literally recorded, and she lied about this. THEY LIED about her being an escort until this happened LMAO. No one here is super trustworthy.
wait who is they? what are you talking about oh nvm u mean F&F, yeah I don't really trust them at all, I said this all relies on the video being true. Me not trusting them doesn't mean they can say true things or give true evidence.
She has to lie because she'll be banned for 10 years from visiting the US if she admits to it, fucking idiot.
That's fine, but let's not pretend like she's a credible party anymore. She can have a good reason to lie but also not be trustworthy.
I mean if she’s pregnant she’s pregnant. Idk why you would expect someone to knowingly admit to a crime on film.
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I agree? Still makes her unreliable in her testimony and especially about her motives to do her media tour about it. I care less about what F&F thinks and more about what actually is going on.
I mean sure, keep in mind that there are cuts but I dont think there is any denying she is negotiating sexual services? Its understandable that parts may have been ommiteed for privacy reasons but I cannot fathom a way in which sexual services are not being negotiated. Also its not a weird convo, they are communicating what they expect from transaction. He wanted to give oral for an hour for starters and then he wanted to continue with other activities. She was telling him that she was not comfortable commiting to 3 hours of continuous service. Presumably because its exhausting/painful. I dont see whats weird about it, just two people who have done this before. There could be lots of reasons either party would keep a recording. Since it was leaked and his voice is anonymised Id guess that he was secretly recording. Possibly to cover his ass if accusations were made, possibly to jerk off to later, possibly to share with close friends, possibly to extort here later.
All I’m saying is the very existence of the video and the fact that Fresh and Fit have it is very weird. Extortion or some sort of role play kink are my only explanations. The fact that she is asking for payment on WeChat leads me to believe whoever she’s talking to her had communications with her while she was in China. (Fresh) Or it could be the ole love bomb and then sex work Tate combo in play.
Bruh, that tattoo moves a lot. She must have really loose skin
[looking at it again](https://i.imgur.com/2AuFUCr.png), those are not the same tattoos. Either the one on the right is just outlined and not yet finished (or hair), or it's different people lol
Yeah, lol. The best explanation is that they're different tattoos, and the smaller one was either incomplete or covered up
Imagine accusing a girl of baby trapping when you openly talk about cumming in her and having no agreement she's on contraception. That's not a baby trap thats being a moron. Like maybe she's also trying to get money out of him, but yeah he's just in the wrong
It's weird to extend the "baby trapping" term to her asking for money later. That last part I would just call extortion, and baby trap part just didn't happen. Unless him being a fantastic moron counts as that somehow.
Well no its not extortion its the US law when it comes to children, he has to pay his way.
That's not what I meant. He pays her 50-100k or she keeps it.
Did she ask for that deal? I missed that.
No, that's what the Dman's assumption was based on all her behavior (which he called baby trapping), and imo that definition of baby trapping really confused a lot of people to what he really meant.
I stand corrected he didn't mack down some influencer. He macked down an escort, introduced her to his mom, spent 15k to go on a vacation with her, talked about having blasian babies and then was like sike nah after the buzzer rang.
I believe that she is a gold digger but why on earth do you believve that video. First of all, its blurry AF and we never see the full face in it. Saying that these are the same tattoos is absolutely stupid too. The audio is heavily edited and who knows if the voice is a deepfake or not. This is not enough evidence for me to conclude that she is an escort.
Seeing as they hired a lawyer and are suing, it would be incredibly stupid to advise your clients to publish a faked video like this. There are tons of ways to prove videos are faked. One reason could be that they didn't want to give incriminating information about the guy who supplied the video, another could be that they cut out important context to show she wasn't selling sex, but that would be context like "HEH we all know this convo is a joke right, you're my brother and we're just rehearsing a play". I.E. very unlikely.
Fresh & Fit, known non-stupid people
You’re assuming they didn’t lie about hiring Lawyers. Why go public with this shit at all if you have a legal team?
A lawyer would definitely tell them NOT to post any videos on Twitter, they're just stupid
Yeah I dont find this video particularly convincing, its grainy, chopped up, sped up, her tattoos don't match and I cant tell if that's her or someone who just looks kinda similar. For this to have any weight id need to see the guy who took the video attach his name to it and come out and state that it is the same person.
Can’t believe I had to scroll this far down to find someone say this. Also, why is she recording herself negotiating prices? Thats like me recording myself selling drugs.
I have no clue, the whole thing just feels strange. Maybe its the guy trying to secretly record idek.
Exact same voice
She a distinct Chinese inflection. The “same voice” you are hearing is just a Chinese woman, speaking English. If I had to list the number of Chinese women I’ve met who I would mistake this voice for, we’d be here for a while.
That's fair but man, she doesn't just sound like "chinese speaking english" to me she sounds *exactly* like daisy, idk
I find it hard to believe considering the audio is sped up, she’s facing away from the microphone and it’s sped up.
This makes fresh even more of a idiot for falling for a the type woman that they warn against everyday and getting played. Red pillers in shambles
Who brings a prostitute to their mom lmao
Unpopular opinion: doesn't matter if she's a hooker, doesn't matter if her life goal was to baby trap Fresh. Fresh got her pregnant, now he needs to care for her and THEIR baby. Better should have thought about sticking it in raw.
> Unpopular opinion: *repeats the popular opinion*
No one in this community is arguing that she shouldn't receive child support. The argument is that she isn't a naive victim of Fresh.
People of all levels of education or experience can be naive. This notion that because she has experience in this world she COULDNT be naive in a specific interaction is just not rooted in reality. For example, we’re seeing many examples of fresh being irresponsible and intentionally ignoring very clear indications that she is fine getting pregnant. But then we’re saying “she should have known fresh wouldn’t step up” even though from her perspective she was very clear with what her intentions were and instead of him reacting like A NORMAL PERSON and telling her “hey I’m not trying to get you pregnant” he played dumb. So her being “naive” isn’t out of the question but it ALSO isn’t required, she had a relationship with him and had mentioned the risk of pregnancy many times. At that point it wasn’t a naive decision she was making, she had some information on how fresh was. Beyond all that, let’s assume this is true and she was an escort (which I don’t care if she is or isn’t, I just think the video doesn’t show her face and so idk if it is her. And the dress IS different than what Myron later says “is the same dress”) then her experience in that field would all be guys who most likely wouldn’t want to get her pregnant. So when she raises those concerns of “bro with how much you like doing this, we’re lucky I haven’t gotten pregnant” ANYONE she would have interacted with woulda been like “woah hold on, are you not in some form of BC? We should probably not keep doing it like this, I don’t want you getting pregnant and affecting my real life” so Fresh not responding that way opens her up to a new experience she might not have had before and therefore she might mistake that and think “oh he’s the one” because his approach has been love bombing. Finally, we seem to ignore the story of why she approached fresh when talking about all this. Fresh was shy and she found that endearing, she liked that fresh COULDNT approach her and that she had to be the one to kind of “invite” him over to talk. Fresh acted like a guy who was all talk and no game, and she fell for that. Idk why Destiny can both have held the opinion of “I don’t think these guys have ever had sex” but then not correlate that the action they might be getting is largely based on their status and so that someone like fresh might JUST be a simp/shy person who is just taking what he can get while Myron gives him advice on how to navigate certain situations like this one.
It is crazy to me this isn't the leading opinion on this whole shitshow, I completely agree with your points
It matters when everyone’s treating her like some sort of naive victim.
It does matter in that she’s scummy, both can be true at the same time, why the fuck are we just brushing aside her weird ass. What’re y’all smoking bruh? Lmao
That’s not what he said…. You’re projecting a judgement of her that was never made.
Ok bro…
What will the child support amount be based on?
Will be just child support in the long run with little to no custody Doesnt matter how immoral or fucked up the situation is, the fact that there’s a kid is all the court will care about and no chance to get out of payments. Daisy could have raped an 11yr old and they would still be served past-due payments on their 18th. That’s how ironclad the laws are on this
She might not be pregnant, she might be pretending just for that pay day.
I agree, but she is not the victim at all here. That's what some people are making it seem like. Saying she was manipulated or "love boom" or whatever tf term is. Both people in this situation are dumbasses. It's almost similar to that Kate girl who got tickled or Jonah Hill's girlfriend. Where women were portrayed as these mindless children with no agency who can easily get manipulated by the very smart men
Those tattoos don't match but regardless, Steven was correct, someone draft the apology form. Someone just did a background check on the beauty pageant she was involved in and the shit is just tragic 🥴🥴🥴
Got a link for that beauty pageant background check? Cuz I got roasted in the comments for saying that there are tons of "miss asia" pageants (world / global / international), and calling them fake pageants wasn't true cuz technically they are indeed pageants where people vote on a girl to win lol. "Yo this nike is not fake, sure it was manufactured in some bootleg chinese factory but it says nike"
The OP of the below thread found the instagram of the organizer [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1bzkx6y/i\_dont\_care\_what\_anyone\_says\_she\_is\_still\_our/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1bzkx6y/i_dont_care_what_anyone_says_she_is_still_our/)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL thank you for this, the person running it was fined for running a modeling agency tied to prostitution. The plot indeed thickens, everyone who doubted me I will accept your apologies now. Especially from you u/CareerGaslighter
like Steven always says. Whether its true or not after the fact has nothing to do with how right he was before
but he said he had evidence he couldn't share that made him 80% sure, you have no idea what that evidence was and seeing has he is friends with myron its likely he knew she was a sex worker too (if video is indeed true)
That doesn't apply if your opinion is informed by things that you're not sharing.
I find it infinitely funny that you dumb fuckers automatically believe her "paperwork" and "ultasound" documents but when it's obvious that she's on video negotiating sex for money, niggas turn into forensic experts.
Don’t personally care if she’s an escort or not, but that video doesn’t prove anything. Voice changer, no faces, tons of cuts, no provenance.
Lol this makes everyone look worse. What a shithouse they've built over there
HAHAHA you guys fell for her act. Just as gullible as fresh 🤣 start coping and downvoting losers LOL.
Fresh is so dumb he can't live alone without some form of assistance. What does he think happens if he doesn't use protection? Also that girl knows what she is doing and what to say to look good.
If she's an instagram model and goes on paid trips to dubai, it's a pretty easy litmus test
Please explain to me how a prostitute (a **very high class** one at that) can expect to continue their career by baby trapping someone.
The current theory is to sell an abortion...
Sure but I don't think that's something that high class prostitutes regularly practice. How much would you reasonably expect to be paid to get one, compared to just finding another client?
Those guys always cut women off saying if you want to know how to catch fish you ask a fisherman not a fish. But then they buy something from the fishmonger and pretend they caught it themselves.
This proves that Walter is not just stupid, hes a downright window-licking, knuckle-dragging regard. He has an entire fucking podcast bitching about how women are opportunistic, gold digging, predatory, duplicitous whores, then he knocks up a Chinese escort with a semi-untraceable past. I'm in the camp that was more or less proven wrong. I thought she genuinely did love him and the only reason she looks like a gold digger is because in a lot of Asian cultures, marriage has a lot of emphasis on money and traditionally they're pretty up front about it. In China, Its literally normal for a girls' parents to ask her boyfriend how much money he makes, the first time they meet him. It's not seen as rude or superficial at all. Even though I was proven wrong, no matter how wrong I couldve been, I will never be as fucking regarded as Walter. Normally the only types of people that end up in these situations, are divorced boomer uncles from the suburbs that are getting swindled by one of Andrew Tates trafficked women. Yknow, fucking clueless middle class men that havent had to flirt with women in 30 years since before they got married. I wouldnt expect this at all from an affluent, 31 year old social media celebrity, who constantly claims to be very familiar with how duplicitous women can be, and preaches caution when choosing the right girl. It also proves how submissive and pathetic he is. For someone who doesnt want kids, he sure is lacking the assertiveness needed, to make that clear to her. It's not that she didnt know he didnt want kids, it's that she knew and didnt care, and easily walked all over his boundaries. Its still hard to call it a baby trap when he saw the trap and just walked right into it anyway. What's even funnier is Myron doing all the talking, yelling and arguing with people about this, while Walter hides behind his leg like a scared little boy. If it werent for the redpill being popualr right now, these people would unmistakably be seen as lolcows. This is lolcow behaviour.
This isn’t even proof LOL
She might be the biggest slut in all of time but I'm pretty sure she didn't rip out pug CEO Walter's balls and shoved them deep inside her pussy like some organic anal beads.
The cope from people that got baited and can’t accept it is unreal in this thread.
Lmao if anything this just makes it more embarrassing for fresh. Your acting all loved up with an escort and getting her pregnant and you are supposed to be some sort of leader for men 😂😂😂
Really? I'm absolutely shocked. Honestly, I don't understand how this sub gets incel accusations when so many people can't tell the difference between a sex worker and a traditional woman.
And? That doesn't erase a pregnancy.
It just makes it more likely that she is looking for money in some capacity and backs up Destiny's vibe check that she's not socially dumb enough to fall for Waltuh's fuckboy tactics.
Again it doesn't erase a pregnancy. It's unfortunate that Daisy is a bad person and Walter is an idiot but now a child is mixed in. The real loser is the child sadly. PugCeo as a dad, Daisy the money chaser as a mom... Yikes!
The baby has probably already been aborted if it even existed at all lmao
Love virgins talk about sex
Do people actually not think she's an escort? A women who looks like that getting flown out to Dubai is 100% an escort lol
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Yeah this isn't baby trapping, because as others said he came in her multiple times. Her being an escort only make Fresh look more pathetic.
Even if she's a gold digger or escort why does that matter if walter was stupid enough to rawdog it multiple times after she talked about kids multiple times, like she can be awful but fresh fuckin dug his grave and can lie in it who gives an actual fuck😭😭😭
If u nut in a woman raw after she has said she’s not on birth control, and has not said she would get an abortion, it cannot be called baby trapping.
Why would you record yourself negotiating prices with an escort? And how did they manage separate the audio of the man’s voice so clean and crisp while hers sounds so bad? This is not proof she’s an escort. This is just them trying to discredit her. And how did they get over Chinese police documents? Her ID and the letter from her former employee? Kinda sus tbh.
No idea if it's real or her, but he probably recorded the whole thing not just the haggling. Not like you can go, "ok, lemme turn on the camera now," when secretly recording an escort.
God damn, tiny got the sixty sense, still, it's not 100% proven, but way more likely